Are Laneswaps Good? Can Chovy Kill Choky? Goliath vs. Goliath in LPL | All Chat Ep.#14 | LoL Podcast

[@damiester1]

Creme didn't really come out of nowhere though. He was on OMG last year and had a little bit of a miracle run in Spring. This guy's pretty much the next big midlaner in China that everyone wants. Obviously Top Esports would be the team to attract such talent since Knight and Yagao already filled the slots of JDG and BLG. Fun fact, LNG was supposed to sign Creme last year, but changed their minds and went with Scout. That's why there's a little bit of a grudge between those guys. I'd also argue that Jackeylove's only quiet game against JDG was game 3. He was hard carrying game 2 on Kalista in teamfights until Meiko decided to trade Nexus for pick.

[@AllChatLoL]

We totally missed the Creme/OMG spring miracle run, you're right! He's looked like a pretty considerable threat especially on melee's for a while now. Didn't know about the Creme/Scout situation, thats really interesting and makes for a super cool story line, especially now that Creme is seeing so much success.

[@AllChatLoL]

Also, we might've misworded Jackeylove being quiet until Game 4. It's more just a testament to how strong his team is now, and not having to be the focal carry point anymore that we know him as now that he has studs in 369 and Creme the team can also lean on more heavily!! It's like pick your poison with TES, and no longer Jackeylove or bust.

[@damiester1]

I honestly appreciate LEC Teams trying new things. That was their method of beating Eastern teams, so why copy Korean teams after their 2019 run? It feels like G2 is finally getting back to what they're good at. Whether or not this works against better teams is a question, but at least you're bringing them down to your level with strats.

[@AllChatLoL]

Totally agree, not confident that G2's lane swaps will be effective enough of a new strategy to actually work, but historically, the LEC has been successful when they have been creative with picks and strategies. G2's Pyke flex in 2019 was iconic! Guess we'll see how it goes this year!

[@rachelheke5737]

All I can say about MSI is I'm ready to see an all-out war in the playins because it's all or nothing. Then play against the first seeds and whatever happens after that because we all know the meta is definitely favoring the Chinese Than LCK, there are some good pocket pics and such if T1 can get a handle on the meta, I think maybe for Chovy too not sure about the rest in geng.

[@damiester1]

Chovy has only been to semifinals once I'm pretty sure and that's with Ruler in 2022. So the bad rosters you were talking maxed out in quarters.

[@AllChatLoL]

Just looked it up, can't believe he's only made semifinals at worlds once. Still find it impressive that the HLE roster made it out of groups though too. Do you think this is GenG's year? Does he at least make an international final?

[@damiester1]

@@AllChatLoL I don't think we can say who makes finals until we see the draws. BLG beating Gen-G is almost as iconic as Gen-G beating T1 now. There are specific team match up counters due to playstyle differences. There's also the scary possibility of civil war in the first round at Worlds because of the format. If you're an LCK fan, the worst nightmare would be Gen-G vs T1 first round etc.

[@rachelheke5737]

@@AllChatLoL haha is it another GenG and T1 final:P

[@rachelheke5737]

@@damiester1 that wont happen because T1 is going through the playins with the other teams

[@rachelheke5737]

I guess if they bring lane swaps to MSI and use them against T1 it wont matter. T1 kept the gold close when playing HLE then they came back and were like 11-12k ahead but god knows why they made mistakes and lost that game lol but still stomped in that series. After that, they knew how to counter it and it didn't matter when Geng tried it against them so should be good and ready for lane swaps :D

[@rachelheke5737]

Why is it though T1 beats Geng Internationally but not domestically? lol

[@damiester1]

LEC/LCS top 2 seeds are considerably better than minor regions, but people are right if they claim that PCS/VCS have had good results against any teams below that. PSG went 5 games with BDS last Worlds and actually looked like the better team despite losing (up 2-0 and almost 3-0'd before a throw). GAM also beat Team Liquid in a Bo3. Team Whales beat BDS in a Bo3 too. If we're solely talking about historic achievements, then PCS actually has 1 more Worlds win than NA lol. So, while I agree that NA/EU are underestimated a little, you were also disrespecting the PCS/VCS regions too much.

[@AllChatLoL]

We meant no disrespect to the minor regions, just making the point that there's a lot of people who consistently believe that NA teams will lose to them. It was super hype to see how well PSG and TW did, and same with GAM beating TL, I think we're just still not sold that those results are the standard.

[@damiester1]

@@AllChatLoL It's not the standard every year, but PCS and VCS are consistently strong enough to challenge lower seeds from NA/EU. I'm sure you've heard of the legendary Flash Wolves. Those guys looked like they could beat LPL/LCK at some points. GAM infamously through the help of a bug ruined TES's 2022 run lol.

[@AllChatLoL]

@@damiester1 Oh for sure, I still miss the Flash Wolves, what a legendary team. And thats a fair point, even non-VCS/PCS teams have had moments of stepping up too. I mean the KaBuM incident will ALWAYS be remembered, even if it was a flash in the pan. - Jack

[@damiester1]

Ok, the Doinb slander is crazy. There's no way you compared him to Zeka lol. Doinb was a super carry after his 2019 WC title. He's leagues above Zeka in accomplishments or even just pure eye-test. I don't like Doinb's personality, but he's still an all-time great even if he's scraping by. The same with Showmaker. He was the main carry threat from 2019-2021 on his team even during Canyon's prime. He's obviously a little washed now, but this guy definitely deserves his spot above Chovy in all-time arguments until Chovy wins anything internationally.

[@AllChatLoL]

My bad 🤣I'm a little behind the curve when it comes to the pro league scene since I've been watching since 2021. I'm definitely a little late to the party, but I'm learning more and more from your comments, and that's what I love about doing this!! There's so many more people out there to learn from, and so many fans out there that have informative and structured takes like we're seeing from you, that help us look less like donkeys in the future. - Grayson