Are Multiculturalism and Diversity Strengths? | Peter Boghossian & Eric Kaufmann

Eric Kaufmann a Professor of Politics at the University of Buckingham. Originally from Vancouver, BC, Canada, he was born in Hong Kong and spent most of the last few decades in the UK. He is principally interested in cultural politics: ethnicity, national identity, left-wing ideology and religion, and has written extensively on these subjects.
After two decades, Eric decided to relinquish his full professorship in Politics at Birkbeck College, University of London for the University of Buckingham, stating his case in an article for The Critic called “From monoculture to counterculture: why I am leaving Birkbeck for Buckingham”.
Peter and Eric discussed multiculturalism and its effects on society, immigration policy, differences between the current state of the US, Canada, and the UK, meritocracy, how to solve the capture of elite institutions, Social Justice, and more. The two even place bets on the future of Critical Social Justice and other cultural issues and will revisit the bet in six months.
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“From monoculture to counterculture: why I am leaving Birkbeck for Buckingham”:
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The European Conservative interview with Eric: europeanconservative.com/arti...
Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:30 Problems in US vs Canada
4:30 Multiculturalism
12:40 Discrimination vs free association
14:55 Immigration policy hypotheticals
19:43 Meritocracy hypothetical
28:35 Government intervention in corrupt private institutions
36:30 Capture of educational institutions
44:00 Peter and Eric place bets on different cultural issues
1:04:38 Eric’s additional thoughts
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[@drpeterboghossian]

In this episode, we make predictions about the 6-month trajectory of Critical Social Justice. I expand upon some of my predictions in this Substack post: open.substack.com/pub/boghossian/p/my-predictions-for-the-first-30-days?r=pnpqs&showWelcome=true

[@LouisGedo]

Yo! 👋

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

​@@LouisGedo👶

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

nation: a population, normally residing in the same geographic region, in which most all the citizens share a common race, religion, language, and culture. This word is VERY often used erroneously in the stead of the term “country”. Therefore, it is highly suggested that one refer to the Glossary entry under “country” in order to understand the distinction between a “country” and a “nation”. Unfortunately, an enormous percentage of the population has been indoctrinated by leftists to regard NATIONALISM as a malevolent ideology, when in fact, the adherence to a nationalistic framework is beneficial to both the citizenry of a nation and to the world as a whole. Multicultural societies are constantly fraught with conflicts, due to the incompatibility of competing ideologies and practices. Imagine, if you will, that the million most conservative men from an Islamic nation in Middle-east Asia, such as Afghanistan, and the million most feministic women from a liberal country like Canada, were taken to some barren island and asked to establish a new civilization. How harmonious and prosperous do you believe such a mismatch of persons would be? TOTALLY discordant! Furthermore, a variety of national identities is intrinsically beneficial, for nobody would want to travel to another nation if that nation was fundamentally identical to their own nation, except to experience the unique geographical features, diets or climates. I, for one, am glad that I can visit a nation such as Japan in order to experience its unique culture and language, then choose to visit or reside in nations such as Ireland and Egypt in order to experience the unique languages, food, art, dance, cinema, music, religion, and customs of those two nations. Of course, if I decided to reside in a nation where the language and culture differed radically from my own, I would need to adapt. For example, if I were to migrate to a Middle-east Asian nation, such as the one mentioned above, I could not openly criticize the Islamic faith (and especially its founder) without putting my very existence at risk. Upon moving to the Philippines over a decade ago, I found it EXTREMELY easy to acclimatize to its culture, since it is very much a Westernized nation, not dissimilar to the country of my birth, The Southland (that is, “Terra Australis” or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue). “Nation” was first recorded in the thirteenth century, from the Middle English, from Latin “nātiōn-” (stem of “nātiō”), meaning “birth” or “tribe”, equivalent to “nāt(us)” (past participle of “nāscī”, meaning “to be born”) + “-iōn-”. “-ion” a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English to form nouns from stems of Latin adjectives.

[@LouisGedo]

@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda 👋

[@sdrc92126]

What if you could show that Critical Social Justice and Nazism had the same philosophical foundations?

[@thucydides7849]

As Thomas Sowell put it: “diversity is not our strength, our ability to OVERCOME diversity is our strength”

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Thomas sowell is a fucking moron though. Thats not even a profound statement.. the fact that you misunderstand is sad

[@dettroitdominadora]

Sowell is bad ass. The man is sharper in his damn 90s than most of these college kids are in their prime. Part of me is given pause for the future because of that; however, if we could just get some of these children to start listening to his wit with open minds, there may be hope for them yet.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@dettroitdominadora lol, no.

[@leithsapitan1428]

Dr Sowell never misses.

[@dettroitdominadora]

@@ChillAssTurtle no?

[@agenticmark]

I have lived in many places in the world, India, Holland, England, France, UAE, Mexico, Canada, and the USA. Multiculturism in micro is great, but the DOMINANT culture needs to either be it's own. It has proven track records of prosperity and stability, or borrowed from another culture because it has the desired results. India is still India. Mexico is still Mexico. The UAE is still the UAE. The rest have been changed beyond recognition of this man in his 40s. That is too much change culturally in too little time.

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

nation: a population, normally residing in the same geographic region, in which most all the citizens share a common race, religion, language, and culture. This word is VERY often used erroneously in the stead of the term “country”. Therefore, it is highly suggested that one refer to the Glossary entry under “country” in order to understand the distinction between a “country” and a “nation”. Unfortunately, an enormous percentage of the population has been indoctrinated by leftists to regard NATIONALISM as a malevolent ideology, when in fact, the adherence to a nationalistic framework is beneficial to both the citizenry of a nation and to the world as a whole. Multicultural societies are constantly fraught with conflicts, due to the incompatibility of competing ideologies and practices. Imagine, if you will, that the million most conservative men from an Islamic nation in Middle-east Asia, such as Afghanistan, and the million most feministic women from a liberal country like Canada, were taken to some barren island and asked to establish a new civilization. How harmonious and prosperous do you believe such a mismatch of persons would be? TOTALLY discordant! Furthermore, a variety of national identities is intrinsically beneficial, for nobody would want to travel to another nation if that nation was fundamentally identical to their own nation, except to experience the unique geographical features, diets or climates. I, for one, am glad that I can visit a nation such as Japan in order to experience its unique culture and language, then choose to visit or reside in nations such as Ireland and Egypt in order to experience the unique languages, food, art, dance, cinema, music, religion, and customs of those two nations. Of course, if I decided to reside in a nation where the language and culture differed radically from my own, I would need to adapt. For example, if I were to migrate to a Middle-east Asian nation, such as the one mentioned above, I could not openly criticize the Islamic faith (and especially its founder) without putting my very existence at risk. Upon moving to the Philippines over a decade ago, I found it EXTREMELY easy to acclimatize to its culture, since it is very much a Westernized nation, not dissimilar to the country of my birth, The Southland (that is, “Terra Australis” or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue). “Nation” was first recorded in the thirteenth century, from the Middle English, from Latin “nātiōn-” (stem of “nātiō”), meaning “birth” or “tribe”, equivalent to “nāt(us)” (past participle of “nāscī”, meaning “to be born”) + “-iōn-”. “-ion” a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English to form nouns from stems of Latin adjectives.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Ruined by inferior cultures is how i would put it. Mainly ☪️

[@AntiwhitismIsJealousy]

Whi te Erasvre is happening to basically all western nations at once.

[@N7sensei]

If you mix 1 million people from India into Hungary with 9 million of Hungarians, let's say, then you will have a country which is 10% India and 90% Hungary. This has actually happened to Hungary centuries ago, and it happened to multiple European countries. The outcome is as described: Hungary today is 90% Hungary, and 10% rural India.

[@pabis6817]

Only traditionally white European countries are being forced to change and forced to accept diversity! It’s not being forced upon Chinese? It’s not being forced upon Indians, Koreans Japanese, Mexicans. The list is long but it’s only happening in one place

[@H.Hardrada]

Every people should have a place where their history, heritage, and culture are preserved. It's like everyone having a separate bedroom that is only theirs. The problem is that the West's bedroom is everyone else's public bathroom.

[@malirk]

I don't care about preserving culture (Even my own). I care about the rights and dignity of all individuals.

[@brendadarling7743]

⁠@@malirkive experienced multiculturalism..doesn't work for me...people from the 3rd world who come to the UK on the whole seem to keep their culture...which I'm not too keen on.

[@H.Hardrada]

@@malirk I don't know why those have to be mutually exclusive. And to be frank, I believe there is something inhuman about people who have a hatred for or disconnect from their heritage and culture. It's that Western self-contempt that makes the "woke" a bitter foe of mine. To me, not even my life is more important than preserving those things. We have different moral frameworks. If you hate what I love, then I don't see how this ends without conflict.

[@mattturner5429]

​@@malirkRights and dignity are culturally determined concepts...

[@chrisrussell8245]

​@malirk why are those two things mutually exclusive? 🤨

[@kaboom146]

The challenge is committing to the work of integration into a country's democratic values. You don't get to come here and then engage in the same intolerance you just ran away from.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

Most first generation migrants want to adopt the culture or their host country, it's the second generation that experiences the most conflict with the country they live in and their parents'country of origin.

[@VerryJerry90]

Sometimes it’s not about the intolerance. Not everyone is running away from something when moving to another nation.

[@andythompson2009]

Said the native Americans... Sry, didn't mean to be rude, I worry what world my kids will grow up in...

[@AntiwhitismIsJealousy]

They have to respect western civilization America also needs a westernkind supermajority

[@AntiwhitismIsJealousy]

​@@andythompson2009they didn't have a country

[@KarlVaughan]

Immigration is already a hot topic in the UK. We were promised it would be tackled and were lied to. We are sick of it. As for the NHS, that has been under strain for years and more people coming into the country expecting immediate attention has pissed off a lot of people, especially those who have paid into the system all their lives and are on a waiting list. Housing is another big issue with the same kind of problems. Immigrants come in and get housed right away while there are UK citizens who have been on waiting lists for years. It's so wrong. I can't honestly see any change either because whoever gets into power is the same as the previous lot. Political parties are carbon copies of each other which makes voting really difficult.

[@mattfm101]

Isn't it strange that both parties think the problem with the country is the indigienous population? Isn't it strange that competing parties in multiople different 'white' countries all have come to the conclusion that their citizens are the problem and they need more immigration into their countries. Just think what the odds of that coincidence are?

[@leithsapitan1428]

Americans for Tommy Robinson Prime Minister!

[@GreenMorningDragonProductions]

Karl, there isn't an honest discussion. You may have a point in regard to overall immigration, but if immigration were banned the NHS would collapse in about three hours. Happy to talk more, any time. Happy New Year.

[@mattfm101]

It wouldn't collapse, only about 10% of the staff are immigrants. Also the general argunment that we can't have an NHS (National, Health Service) without immigration is either nonsense or an argument that public funded health care is impossible because its a ponzi scheme reallying on the sacrifice of foreign nationals. @@GreenMorningDragonProductions

[@interabang]

​@@GreenMorningDragonProductions The reason the NHS needs so many immigrants is to treat the extra 8 million immigrants that registered with NHS. Immigration has been a disaster for the NHS, education, and housing.

[@paulmoulton7248]

I don't care what you look like if we have shared core values.

[@georger6624]

Diversity is not our strength. It’s our weakness. You have to go to college to learn the opposite of reality.

[@Alan-lv9rw]

Multiculturalism is a strength up to a point. We passed that point long ago.

[@abumohandes4487]

Multiculturalism creates misunderstandings and conflicts. Diversity creates distractions and conflicts. More questions?

[@N7sensei]

You need a high trust in your neighbor, your business partners, your fellow countrymen for society to function. If trust and group cohesion is not super high then society will turn to shit quickly. Most people have no clue about how important this is.

[@poopshoes7579]

@@N7senseithey pretend not to notice, those who don’t want to live in “low trust” neighbor areas work their ass off to not live in those areas

[@ginabean9434]

@@N7sensei _"You need a high trust in your neighbor, your business partners, your fellow countrymen for society to function."_ Which mostly depends on you and you're vision of them, right?

[@TaraAmrit]

It is akin to introducing hostile, invasive species to a native ecosystem. The damage inflicted is costly, devastating and sometimes deadly. The consequences far-reaching and ongoing. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

nation: a population, normally residing in the same geographic region, in which most all the citizens share a common race, religion, language, and culture. This word is VERY often used erroneously in the stead of the term “country”. Therefore, it is highly suggested that one refer to the Glossary entry under “country” in order to understand the distinction between a “country” and a “nation”. Unfortunately, an enormous percentage of the population has been indoctrinated by leftists to regard NATIONALISM as a malevolent ideology, when in fact, the adherence to a nationalistic framework is beneficial to both the citizenry of a nation and to the world as a whole. Multicultural societies are constantly fraught with conflicts, due to the incompatibility of competing ideologies and practices. Imagine, if you will, that the million most conservative men from an Islamic nation in Middle-east Asia, such as Afghanistan, and the million most feministic women from a liberal country like Canada, were taken to some barren island and asked to establish a new civilization. How harmonious and prosperous do you believe such a mismatch of persons would be? TOTALLY discordant! Furthermore, a variety of national identities is intrinsically beneficial, for nobody would want to travel to another nation if that nation was fundamentally identical to their own nation, except to experience the unique geographical features, diets or climates. I, for one, am glad that I can visit a nation such as Japan in order to experience its unique culture and language, then choose to visit or reside in nations such as Ireland and Egypt in order to experience the unique languages, food, art, dance, cinema, music, religion, and customs of those two nations. Of course, if I decided to reside in a nation where the language and culture differed radically from my own, I would need to adapt. For example, if I were to migrate to a Middle-east Asian nation, such as the one mentioned above, I could not openly criticize the Islamic faith (and especially its founder) without putting my very existence at risk. Upon moving to the Philippines over a decade ago, I found it EXTREMELY easy to acclimatize to its culture, since it is very much a Westernized nation, not dissimilar to the country of my birth, The Southland (that is, “Terra Australis” or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue). “Nation” was first recorded in the thirteenth century, from the Middle English, from Latin “nātiōn-” (stem of “nātiō”), meaning “birth” or “tribe”, equivalent to “nāt(us)” (past participle of “nāscī”, meaning “to be born”) + “-iōn-”. “-ion” a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English to form nouns from stems of Latin adjectives.

[@noblejennette2101]

@@JagadguruSvamiVeganandaboy, you sure do think you’re smart, eh?

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

@@noblejennette2101, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️ Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

[@mattturner5429]

​@@noblejennette2101Is he wrong, though?

[@noblejennette2101]

Yeah man, very wrong. Adherence to a nationalistic thought process isn’t a good thing. It doesn’t benefit anyone. I like knowing that if I go to London it’s possible to get a fantastic Indian dinner there because there is a vibrant Indian society. I think the best restaurants in Detroit, Michigan are the middle eastern ones because of the huge population of citizens from that part of the world which moved to Detroit. New Orleans, famous for its Cajun food, only has that cuisine because of refugees of war from the French and Indian war fleeing south and bringing their culture with them. New Orleans also has a very large population of Vietnamese-Americans who fled to the US during the 1970s and who brought an incredible cuisine along with them. Without multiculturalism you would, as this guy says, have to literally travel to Vietnam on the other side of the world to enjoy a taste of their culture. I’m using food as my example here, but the same can be said for arts and entertainment, the sciences and other aspects of humanity that another culture brings with them when they assimilate into a new nation. Nationalists just focus on the same old hateful stuff: that change is bad and we should fight against it. For all of human existence cultures have spread out and assimilated with others.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Channels like this make me feel so priviledged for living now. I can just sit in a dark room, sharpen a knife sip beer and just listen to a very indepth conversation about highly interesting topic.

[@malirk]

I find it more interesting when people talk to people they disagree with. Two people talking about how great there views are doesn't push me on my views.

[@PrimitiveArchery6]

​@@malirkYes, but when its a subject that is not allowed and pressing, it is even more interesting. Immigration from third world has been disaster yet lot of people still pretends that its a strenght.

[@malirk]

@@PrimitiveArchery6 Give me the metrics that show immigration from third world countries has been a disaster.

[@malirk]

Hi Peter, I'm asking for facts to back a statement. P.S. I'm liberal.

[@N7sensei]

@@malirk I think you dropped your soy.

[@GerardEarley]

A fantastic conversation with two of my favourite public intellectuals 👍

[@SeanMichaelUpton]

They are doing the Lord's work. 🙂🙌

[@kham6006]

Thomas sowell would be an amazing guest- he’s still sharp as a tack ! Also Glenn Loury -

[@N7sensei]

Sowell is god, but he is a private person these decades and rarely gives interviews. I'm sure he also said what he has to say on these topics and others in his 94 years of life through his books and interviews and whatnot. I'm sure Glenn would play ball though.

[@DoReMeaCulpa]

The word the guest was looking for when discussing the role of school libraries and librarians is CURATION. It is very true that it is not about banning books, or at least, it shouldn't be, though I am aware of some very woke librarians who remove books from their collections for fear of "harming" students. A big part of a librarian's job is to CURATE the library collection according to the needs and interests of the readers as well as the curriculum. Where I live there is, however, a strong expectation that a school library collection will be "diverse", "decolonized", and contain SOGI materials, which are often doctrinaire and factually as well as scientifically incorrect. It is hard for a critically thinking librarian with intellectual integrity to balance the pressure for wokery (and a plethora of ridiculously woke books on offer) with a desire to purchase authentic, quality reading materials for kids.

[@aaronletters]

Can somebody pls let Peter know the word he's missing is Antiwhitism? THAT'S the moral imperative in the West. Peter, the question to ask in all these discussions is, "Is it antiwhite?".

[@AntiwhitismIsJealousy]

Oh good I thought I was the only one trying to talk to people on this channel

[@SigPuma]

The current mission for elite universities is to act as status gatekeepers. An actual education has nothing to do with that primary goal.

[@malirk]

How does one get an "Actual education"?

[@noblejennette2101]

@@malirkI’m guessing it has something to do with purchasing a gun?

[@jayterra2060]

@@malirk critical thinking , the scientific method , logic

[@jimmym3352]

They have always been status gatekeepers, nothing has changed in general.

[@malirk]

@@jayterra2060 Isn't that what they teach in school? Can't you pick to take those courses? Isn't it your own fault if you select courses that don't help you learn what you want to learn?

[@ryannielson6918]

Fantastic conversation gentlemen! Thank you!

[@AndyJarman]

Low skill immigration has been openly admitted by Labour party politicians to be a strategy to spite the opposition party. It also provides a ready source of cheap labour to undercut the indigenous population's pay.

[@N7sensei]

It is useful if your voters are your dependents. You swoop in with your beautiful tax money to buy their votes, welfare, social this, social that, BAMM, votes, baby!

[@prabhdeepdhahan1147]

Mass Immigration is caused by the greedy business community who want to exploit cheap labor, and they control Conservative Parties . The modern Left won't end mass immigration because they think it's racist and political incorrect.

[@AdamJones381]

With regards to the police force in Northern Ireland, Catholics didn't join the RUC (Nortern Ireland Police Force) because Catholics felt it was biased against them. There was a reform that disbanded the RUC and created the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). This was a society that was 55% Protestants and 45% Catholics where Catholics were discriminated against for 70 years.

[@LawofImprobability-2]

The IRA had a policy of threatening the families of Catholic officers of the RUC. The IRA deliberately tried to sow distrust between the police and the Catholics.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

He was a lecturer at Birkbeck where I am still working in the IT department. I don't blame him for leaving. I'm considering it myself. I got into a spot of bother myself for helping a student who was transgender and they played victim. I don't think I can work in a place where I don't feel "safe".

[@mattoc4398]

Eric Kaufmann is a smart guy! Thanks for having him on.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thanks for watching!

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

Claudine Gay resigned! Sorry Peter, but I'm happy🎉🎉🎉

[@galaxytraveler5779]

Question is, who is the person that replaces her? There are PLENTY more wokies to potentially fill the position.

[@kham6006]

She will sue - get a show etc - nothing ever happens to these people ! If they are democrats they’ll be just fine

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

@@kham6006 she can't sue, she resigned.

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

@@galaxytraveler5779 true, but, I still see this as a positive. And Harvard is in the cross hairs now, so they have to be very careful.

[@calmon-ground962]

@@galaxytraveler5779 My initial thoughts are that nobody's going to want that job. At Evergreen State, they did a president search and all the candidates withdrew.

[@shaynebennetts9046]

I grew up in Australia in the 1980s and multiculturism was different back then. It was about building a national identity which embraced immigrants from many backgrounds. Making immigrants everyone feel part of the country. It was captured by kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJvOo52Pntmam6M . It encouraged kids to celebrate and preserve their language skills (lots of chinese speakers was great for trade) while emphasizing the centrality of English, sharing and appreciating different foods (a good pizza, curry, noodles). It was about emphatically ending root and branch the past "white Australia" policy of "two wongs don't make a white"-Arthur Calwell (1947) from the 40s and 50s. Now it is about fostering division, identity politics, hatred, something that it originally aimed to destroy.

[@karagi101]

Same in Canada. Although we still have very low ethnic divisions/conflicts.

[@ceecee6679]

it was about assimilation

[@csm92459]

"Now it is about fostering division, identity politics, hatred, something that it originally aimed to destroy." How/why did it shift? In America, IMHO, it started because right wing politicians wanted a scapegoat. They saw their numbers shrinking as a percentage, and in the 1960s they found that the "southern strategy" (making white southern voters afraid of democracy eroding the rule by minority whites over majority black populations) could be used to drive voters to the polls. Mix that with voter suppression and you maintain white political power. In 1976 the Republican party started purging the socially liberal "Rockefeller Republicans" and by 1980 the party was only fiscally and socially conservative. There is a straight line of racial stereotyping from Reagan's "Welfare Queen" (we all knew who he meant) to Trump's "Mexicans"--with the exception of the Obama years. They didn't need to identify a scapegoat when the opponent is a biracial man with a Muslim name.

[@jayrod1980]

⁠@@karagi101Canada is also far less multicultural, primarily because your immigration and residency laws are more strict. You don’t take in nearly as many of the third/developing world as the US the last I checked. USA has had an idiotic rule championed by Edward Kennedy in the 60s that a majority of our immigrant quotas had to come from the developing world, which is turning out to be a disaster. It’s very hard to preserve the values of western civilization enshrined in the constitution when you have a massive constant influx of people that don’t share those values. The beauty of the United States is that it was founded not by racial/ethnic or even religious commonality but that of individual rights/freedoms and of representative government. This experiment is already perilous when it’s made up of culturally compatible but otherwise diverse people. It becomes impossible when you quickly add large groups of culturally incompatible people to that society that have no deeper homogeneity. This is why “diversity is our strength” as a slogan is absolutely false. Diversity can be extremely harmful, and not all people, ideas, or culture are valuable or even wanted for a society that values individual freedom, fairness under the law, and representative governance. England is being destroyed from within, for example, by their ever growing “conservative” Muslim population. Millions of first and second generation Muslims from all areas of the world (not specifically Arab, which used to be majority non-Muslim groups fleeing Sharia/oppression) are very not compatible with traditional British culture or western civilization in general.

[@grannyannie2948]

I'm also Australian and about ten years older. If you research what was happening in the 1890s the main reasons the states federated was to build a powerful navy, and to impose what is now called the White Australia Policy. This policy was officially changed to multiculturalism in 1973 by Whitlam. He also introduced many social changes and 18C to curtail people complaining about his changes. He was sacked by the Queen and the GG in 1975. The first noticeable difference was that prior to 1973 immigrants who could pass a written English test were highly preferred, non- English speaking Europeans did come but they were expected to learn English very quickly. So all signage and government brochures etc were in English and English only. But all of a sudden there was no expectation of learning English and signs and brochures were printed in 10-12 languages with phone numbers for other languages.

[@orboakin8074]

6:57 As a Nigerian, i fully agree with you, sir. Cultural, ethnic and tribal diversity is not a strength and has really hindered progress and development here in much of sub-Saharran Africa. Even here in my country, tribalism is such a huge issue and we have adopted many social policies hust yo function as a nation bere. For example, English is our first and national language here mainly to facilitate proper communication among all peoples. Second, secularism and federalism are becoming the dominant sociopolitical ideologies here so that no single tribe or religion can have dominance or cause upheaval here. It is still work in progress but much better than what we used to have. Diversity is not a strength. Unity is a strength.

[@amandah2490]

The old saying, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do," is so right.

[@Bakeroo]

Completely agree. I'm a second generation immigrant and am completely assimilated. However, as a child I wasn't allowed to do the things other people did in the UK (go out, marry outside of my ethnic group or allowed to date before marriage). It's was really upsetting and caused a lot of distress at the time. You can't go and live in another country and live as if you haven't.

[@N7sensei]

@@Bakeroo I wonder if "completely" is really complete or not. For example, are you still religious? If you are from one of those place-istans where inbreeding is completely common, how do you plan to strip yourself of the genetic consequences of millennia of inbreeding? That being said, out of the many non-EU immigrants I know there is only one who assimilated to a high degree (not even close to completely, but you know, he is very nice to have around). It is clearly a very rare thing. In the US, for example, quarter of the population does not speak English (they mostly speak Spanish).

[@silentmajority8365]

NO if it were natural to live together why did we form separate countries in the first place?

[@Pantifaximile]

Forming a country is living together.

[@silentmajority8365]

@@Pantifaximile With like minds culture and race duh By your logic Christians and Muslims would be Jewish since Judaism predates both Instead two religion formed after Judaism If diversity worked why are Palestine and Israel fighting each other? By your thinking the should be hugging and kissing Or the Ukraine a Russia???

[@Pantifaximile]

@@silentmajority8365 lol, you think isreal and palestine are monocultures?

[@silentmajority8365]

@@Pantifaximile My point was neither side wants to live together DUH Like Russia and the Ukraine Its obvious the Ukraine does not want to be Russia Should I draw you a picture?

[@Pantifaximile]

@@silentmajority8365 And I just blew your point out of the water, by pointing out the multiculture and diversity within the countries you are referencing. Russians and Ukrainians were living together just fine. Their conflict is not born of culture or diversity. You're confusing a national identify with a cultural identity.

[@erichamilton8952]

No Eric, it's not just a small portion of the instructions they are getting when you consider even the stem instructors are coving the issues. It's an ongoing effort from specific agents with reinforcement from other outside agents throughout the school day/year.

[@scillyautomatic]

I want so badly to watch this right now but I have to save it for the podcast so I can listen in the car. 🤨

[@Guy-lo3ld]

I'm currently living in Florida for the next couple of years. I'm glad about CRT being taken out of the public school ls in Florida, but the activists are very determined to implement this type of ideology across the US. I'm not sure it can be curtailed unless more people speak out against it.

[@nigelbardoe3771]

It's not out the school in Florida though. They are doing zoom calls to teaches outside the state so that those teachers can talk to the kids and get around the law against the Florida teachers teaching it. They call it Fugitive pedagogy and are spreading ways to get around laws that prevent teaching it.

[@BradYoga108]

A rare, real conversation between intelligent adults.

[@nancygawlowicz2562]

Many years ago, maybe fifteen years, the United States' mantra went from "melting pot" to "glorious mosaic." That was the beginning of this chaos.

[@sueinraleigh3091]

Great show!

[@jasonromaine]

The piping on that plaid chair is genius; England at its best.

[@hongolloyd8728]

Owner class has historically used diversity as division, we bicker, they profit.

[@AndyJarman]

The proportion of migration that is uncontrolled in the UK is very low. The vast majority of recent migrants have been welcomed in by the government.

[@josephnatali8802]

Great conversation! Very interesting!

[@MultiDatura]

I grew up in Sweden in the seventies and eighties and then Sweden was a wonderful country. Now it is totally destroyed by "multiculturalism", that is a country with a large immigration from the Middle East and North Africa.

[@bernardguynunns5658]

Apparently perversity is really our strength.

[@gregengland5178]

Another excellent podcast Peter needs to be boosted to many millions of views. Fight the woke!

[@laaranenripaska8218]

If Multiculturalism would work, shouldn't there be plenty of multicultural societies that were formed naturally? And in order to be superior system all the best counties in the would would have to be multicultural? I have never heard of multicultural society that was born that way. Multiculturalism only works if the cultures are identical enough, but that's not really multiculturalism at all. Isn't it kind of the whole point of formation of singular culture that humans are bound together by similar behavior? I think the key of forming functional societies is common culture. These societies can function without over extensive laws and policing, because you can trust everyone to behave the same way .

[@JohnAPrins]

Why is the question always "But what about the safety and flourishing of the jews" and not "But what about the safety and flourishing of the native population"?

[@actoraa]

The history of the modern state is that it should contain a single nation. A plurinational state may work but it definitely does not have many good examples in the modern era.

[@clemdane]

We should be bringing in the best and the brightest. This is not for the purpose of raising the GDP, but for making the most scientific and intellectual contributions, i.e., being the leader in advancement.

[@mattfm101]

So you believe in stealing people that could uplift their own people away from their own countries?

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Loved this. ❤

[@tonyharding4794]

Thanks!

[@drpeterboghossian]

I really appreciate your support. Thank you!

[@mtvne]

Nice analysis chaps thank you.

[@cynthiamartini8982]

If one cares about the rights and dignity of human beings then they should be on the side of allowing their society to retain its culture. Society should be allowed to change at a graceful peaceful pace, incorporating bits of new that is good and shedding some of the old that is no longer wanted or needed.

[@christiancacibauda5512]

11:29 To answer Mr. Boghossian's question: "Why would you want to import people who are genocidal maniacs into your country? Maybe I'm missing something..." In this case, what Mr. Boghossian seems to be missing is the difficulty in determining whether or not an individual immigrant is harboring a hatred that is widespread in the general population of his home country. To take the Gadfather as an example: he and his family were Lebanese Jews who fled the Lebanese civil war. If Canada had issued a blanket ban on Lebanese immigrants because of rabid antisemitism in Lebanon, then presumably the Saad family would have also been prevented from emigrating to Canada, on the (reasonable) grounds that Canada didn't want to import genocidal maniacs.

[@Tgruss]

I think it is as simple as a society needs a standard, universal set of morals, values, and norms. Sharing a language, religion, and history is important, but not as necessary as the former three and there can be diversity here without causing serious issues or any issues. People who value different things will have issues cooperating and appreciating each other's contribution to the conversation, people with different sets of morals will not find the other's authority as legitimate in any organization, and people who do not share norms will have a hard time trusting each other. In free societies, there has to be freedom of association and you will have to work with people you know very little about and the usual way people are comfortable with people who have different norms is after getting to know them well. Look at how the west is fighting a culture war with the far left. We do not share morals, values, or norms and it does not seem we can compromise or see eye to eye on anything. We may share a language but you can argue we don't share a history or religion since most of them are not Christian and most have a seriously different view of the same history.

[@jswets5007]

One irony of the woke/anti-woke sentiment is that there is more diversity of ideas amongst the anti-woke that the woke. 😅

[@marieparker3822]

'At least let's be honest about it.' Professor Boghossian, the word 'honest' is not in their dictionary, far less their repertoire.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Call me “Peter”

[@stellercorpse]

Diversity is our strength = I like tacos and burritos

[@RichardEnglander]

The Three Slogans of the Uniparty: SPEECH IS VIOLENCE FREEDOM IS DANGER DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH

[@juliangodsend9418]

THOSE WHO REJECT REALITY WILL SOON FIND OUT HOW REAL IT IS

[@brek5]

Honestly, having taught a generation of little achievers in South Korea, many of whom did go on to study at Ivy League universities, top 20 universities, and top-tier universities in Europe and Asia, I know how hard those kids study and how they are so focused on scores, and I would have no doubt that they end up with higher scores, partly because of the work ethic and partly because they don't get like a 99/100 and go, "Whoo, I did well." If it's not perfect, then you're not done working, whereas I know personally, once I was in that accepted range for the top schools in the US, I stopped taking the SAT (was also tight on money and couldn't afford to take it too often, and forget about prep classes... just a book on my own in the library). The thing is, I would have felt cheated if, once I did get accepted into a top school (which I did), I found that it was all kids from a certain sector of Seoul (or just one demographic anywhere) in my program because they all had perfect test scores or whatever (because it's not all Asians, haha... it's ones from very particular circumstances in their societies as well). I wanted to study in a place where I'd meet people from lots of different backgrounds and experiences. I don't know how to fix that/adjust for it, but I know I wouldn't have been happy with that as a student.

[@amyb.6368]

To bring a different perspective: maybe university is the wrong place for experiencing different cultures, at least in the student body. Just the act of being a student is you becoming a whole new culture, so whatever you see at university is still filtered through that lens of: this is actually university culture, not (insert origin of the student here) culture. If you really wanted a window into different cultures, you'd probably be better served going into those different neighborhoods and countries, speaking to and befriending the people there and otherwise immersing yourself that way.

[@brek5]

@@amyb.6368 Well, I'm sort of speaking all in the past, so yeah, I did that as well ^^, but I mean, during those 4 (well, 3 since I studied abroad for one) years, I had to be on campus most of the time due to the demanding course load, so I found having a diverse student body interesting and, yeah, eye opening. I have no way of knowing how affirmative action specifically affected entrance back in the late '90s when I was a student, but I didn't run into a certain cohort of students where I was who didn't seem to be up to snuff. I would agree on that broader level that time in the actual surrounding community was probably more indicative of what actual "diversity," as it were, would look in the years after school. I guess I just wouldn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to the criticisms of how these diversity ideas have been implemented on campuses.

[@RobinDale50]

It is impossible for something to be stronger by dilution. Try that in engineering, and see what you get. "Oh, our steel is lacking in diversity. We must be more inclusive of the non-metal elements."

[@LeeStoneman]

Your comment seems to prove the exact opposite of your position, since base steel is made of iron mixed with carbon. More than that, it's mixed with tungsten to increase its strength, then a myriad other elements to form other types of specialised alloys. Mixing elements absolutely does make for a stronger, more flexible, "better" whole.

[@davidhawley1132]

​@@LeeStonemanBut not randomly.

[@clodaghread5655]

Brilliant conversation thank you 👍🏻

[@drpeterboghossian]

You are welcome!

[@isobelbromley9415]

Thank you for another thought-provoking episode, Peter & Team. Eric is a great guest. I was wondering if you could please share the title/author of the paper you mention at 1:06:33 -ish about diversity and welfare depletion? Many thanks ☺️

[@SEKreiver]

Bill Kristol invented the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for Dan Quayle. True story.

[@randomtanjnt9441]

Discrimination in a general sense is the action of holding behaviour to a personal standard. The question is as to which standards are to be considered generally acceptable and unacceptable by society at large. The secondary question is whether or not it's right to export a society's standards in the interest of colonizing another society with standards foreign to it. This goes both ways, whether it's importing Islam or exporting gender ideology.

[@christopherflux6254]

Diversity can bring both advantages and disadvantages. It isn’t within itself strength, but having people with different life experiences and perspectives in a company can be hugely beneficial.

[@oldmanwithers4565]

Same thing happens every day at my work in North London. It's not rocket science a bit of milk In a cup of tea is good, add enough milk you get a yucky mess, add even more you get milk with a hint of tea!

[@davidevans916]

Immigration is a massive topic not just here in the Uk but all over Europe and the West. If our politicians don’t start listening we are heading for trouble.

[@dibari22]

It's January 9, 2024 and the National Debt is already at $34-trillion. Peter nailed that already.

[@TheKatieLea]

1:08:00 As Jonathan Swift said, you can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into

[@N7sensei]

Sometimes you can.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Agreed

[@Objectivityiskey]

46:19 Yes Peter, Culture is nearly everything. Reason always supersedes culture, if an individual decides it's a value to themselves. The key is instilling objectivity into the individual's understanding of identity, which is reality. Building oneself through an objective epistemology is paramount. It takes breaking from one's past and adopting a "standpoint" of, objective truth and relinquishing subjectivity, relativism, and nihilism. Good luck, the bell curve is quite the obstacle to overcome. It's one thing to reasonably convince "intelligent" individuals, its an entirely different bag, attempting to convince those with with IQ above or below the means. Speaking on those above the means. It's easy to dream of the "utopia to nowhere", the Communistic dream. It's another thing to concretize those abstractions as a false narratives. Smart people live in the abstraction: "What is the nature of that superior world to which they sacrifice the world that exists? The mystics of spirit curse matter, the mystics of muscle curse profit the first wish men to profit by renouncing the earth, the second wish men to inherit the earth by renouncing all profit. Their non-material, non-profit worlds are realms where rivers run with milk and coffee, where wine spurts from rocks at their command, where pastry drops on them from clouds at the price of opening their mouth. On this material, profit-chasing earth, an enormous investment of virtue-of intelligence, integrity, energy, skill-is required to construct a railroad to carry them the distance of one mile; in their non-material, non-profit world, they travel from planet to planet at the cost of a wish. If an honest person asks them: ‘How?’-they answer with righteous scorn that a ‘how’ is the concept of vulgar realists; the concept of superior spirits is ‘Somehow.’ On this earth restricted by matter and profit, rewards are achieved by thought; in a world set free of such restrictions, rewards are achieved by wishing." -JG

[@Objectivityiskey]

41:07 Yes Peter, James has nailed this to a T.

[@nstents7781]

About the school systems he says "it's probably happening with only one or two people, maybe the principal"... This just doesn't cut it for critical analysis.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Its interesting how North Americans who have spent time in the UK (Peter said he would swap his US citizenship for a UK one 100%) want to stay in the UK and Brits want the reverse 😅 The grass is always greener

[@Surreal452]

And living somewhere is very different than being on vacation!

[@N7sensei]

It is generally provincialism and ignorance about foreign countries and cultures. That is clearly not the case for Peter. I for, one, was born in Hungary, and even if you paid me a million $ a month I would not move to the US. It is a country going through its death throes. It has super high crime. Pharmacies, insurance companies, health care companies are trying to deny you preventative care and get you hooked on opioids. Drugs and crime taint the lives of everyone. Freedoms are curb stomped. And so on. Yuck, never. US citizens have no idea how bad they have it. Peter knows this. That being said, the UK, especially London is also dying. The whole western world is, but the UK is just a few steps behind the US and behind the UK a few steps are most EU states.

[@sisuriffs]

DEI: Division, Exclusion, Intolerance

[@b.g.5869]

I'm not comfortable with using 2010 as the implicit dividing line between our current dystopia and the halcyon years of warm and fuzzy goodness. Things were already intolerably woke by 2010 even if we weren't referring to this ideological cancer by that term then. We may be at stage 4 now but we were at stage 3 then.

[@wendyspires1883]

I got a massive dose of this crap at university in 2001! This has metastasised.

[@jceepf]

The opposite of Multiculturalism is NOT Civic Nationalism. The best definition I heard is that of the Quebec political scientist Mathieu Bock-Côté, a separatist, not surprisingly. He stated that State Multiculturalism is the inversion of the duty to integrate. It is the natives who must adjust to the immigrant who are supposed to "enrich" us. In the end, you destroy the society in which you are supposed to melt in. So the melting pot becomes impossible. Somehow it becomes impossible for the native to assimilate the immigrant: it is racist. You can have a society where everyone believes in "Civic Nationalism" or a society where people insist on cultural unity or racial unity. The Multicultural fanatic rejects all of them as bigoted: forget your laws, forget your culture or forget your race: adapt to the immigrant. The Toronto Chief of police was blamed 20 years ago for not understanding Jamaican culture sufficiently, ie, we must accommodate them. In Tokyo, near where I live, I would blame the police of Tokyo for not understanding Jamaican culture sufficiently since it would lead to an incapacity to destroy their gangs. I do not care about their culture otherwise: they have to assimilate to Japanese culture. Period. Go back home otherwise. Finally there is an incredible contradiction in Multiculturalism: we are enriched by groups whose culture exists precisely because at home there are generally mono-cultural and even mono-racial. Our culture does not deserve such a home. I am a white immigrant in Japan, so I am certainly not anti-immigrant. Assimilate or stay home.

[@wanton1234]

if people can't tell their mom and dad from each other... they need to go

[@explrr22]

Seems to me Eric just might be the most sober yet critical observer I've run across. I'm possibly a bit of an outsider here as I'm neither a substantial admirer or detracter of Peter, but rather a distant but growing admirer of Eric. I guess I come from a more traditional liberal background skepticahl of both authorities leaning on orthodoxy and socially fashionable populist tendencies.... Really dissolutioned with dominant trends and cross pressured politically in USA. Can't back MAGA Republicanism or Woke Democratiism. I'm an urban atheist globalist, in purple Wisconsin. I've worked along with various disadvantaged and really haven't rose far beyond.. though I'm fine. This new class that calls themselves Progressive, seems just naive elites, and unconscious wishful status climbers. They don't pursue progress by examining difficult questions, tradeoffs, and sacrifices; but by following popular trends. I'm so what sympathetic as I might have been seduced myself. Especially since most prominent opposition seems even more ridiculous and horrible! Still ... Glad to see conversations like this emerging and a responsible intelligent counterforce taking shape, even if only in periphery!

[@waheex]

The mics are so OTT

[@lordsneed9418]

I'm clearly so far gone and out of touch. I can't even imagine there being people for whom these arguments like "they're private they should be allowed to do what they want " or " that's ok because it's the government's role to protect citizens from institutions" are convincing. For me it just comes down to " here are some threats to things that I like and find valuable including my right not to be marginalised, I will do the action with the best chance of eliminating the threats"

[@krisvq]

Yesterday,, Valentine's day 2024, I walked into a regular grocery store that I occasionally go to and I was met with an armed guard at the entrance and a couple of watchdogs in the store. The homeless population in the city has grown in the last year or two, several times, and they are spreading through the city and theft is record high. I live in the part of town that was considered to be a kind of quirky, nice, safe neighborhood and we can no longer leave doors unlocked or leave anything in the car. My wife had her car broken into several times. This is London, Ontario I'm talking about. The street situation is surreal. 15 years ago this was a much safer and cleaner place. We are flooded with the homeless that are literally sent from Toronto (their mayor gives them a ticket and a $20 and because they want the cash, they go - I had this confirmed by an actual police officer). These people are all white Canadians with mental health issues and drug addiction problems and noone is helping them. Temperatures here ger very, very cold. They live in tents in parks. In the mean while my neighbors put up signs about how they love everyone and they will have any immigrants from any culture and of any religion. All this while their Muslim neighbor kills his daughter for wanting to wear a pink bra. I don't understand this lunacy at all. At all...

[@McSherryStudioArt]

Sadly, I think that the slur of "far right" on any deviation from woke thinking will become meaningless as the actual far right takes off. I think we have tough times ahead.

[@room2growrose623]

You hit on the issue for one moment at the beginning, and that was assimilation, because the United States is founded on an “idea”, and in the past for the past hundred years, everyone has come here and been forced to assimilate. If we look back, historically every single community, whether it was Irish, Italian, Polish or Chinese came, and was excoriated by the population that already thrived here, that forced them to assimilate. Every single one of those groups of people started at the bottom And the truth is even the African Americans who came here through slavery. Also started at the bottom, but they excelled immediately upon freedom, so did all of the other races when they were given the opportunity to pursue rising. So then what is the issue now? Thiugh I admire you Peter, right now both of you sound like two atheists discussing why it’s OK to eliminate one group or another group based on a sliding scale influenced by so many factors. The truth is that we if we look historically at all of these different cultures and their immigration to the United States and their level of elevation, we see that across all groups they rose when they were given opportunity. Also the reason we need diversity is because let’s face facts different cultures bring different strengths. If all the top universities only admitted Asians and I’m talking about east Indians, Chinese Japanese then what can we expect? If we look at those nations, we see that they excel in taking something that’s been invented and evolving it, but they do not excel at event itself, other races excell at invention, we see that in the arts and psychology and sociology other cultures bring that strength…some excell in devising methods of doing, so that is what diversity brings and we can’t just eliminate one culture for another and think society will flourish. I think that when we look at testing SAT & ACTthough, I believe in that kind of testing, there are many ways to game the system. No, assimilation is the key to success for a society. Unfortunately our goal of empathetic intelligence has created a tolerance for individual cultures that supersedes the agreed upon idea to which we must assimilate; that has left us where we are.

[@davidhawley1132]

And we should not lazily conflate culture with genetic background. You are right to focus on culture.

[@millieclinton800]

I would love to see Peter discuss meritocracy with Michael Sandel. Just putting it out there.

[@cshelley5658]

"Competent people are after all potential (and potentially competent) rivals. The three most important characteristics of a coalition [corporation or government] are loyalty, loyalty and loyalty." Page 104, of The Dictators Handbook (2012), Prof Alistair Smith, Chair of International Relations of New York University

[@cshelley5658]

PS "successful leaders rid themselves of even ambitious supporters"

[@johnbircham4984]

Nobody talks about diversity on sports team. BBC this is Peter, Peter meet the BBC.

[@user-ch4mm7dy3g]

Just wanna say you are amazing if there is a majority pushback against the woke people like you james/peterson/rufo almost sacrificing personal life time to bring those issues out to the public have helped tremendously,especially at a time where what you were doing wasnt popular,keep doing what you are doing and i hope you have a wonderfull 2024:)

[@TracyPicabia]

@33:15 Nope. All the libraries I worked in (UK) the stock purchases were either requests or suggestions from students or tutors, otherwise replacements/updates of standard course texts and other resources. NEVER enough budget for indulging in the biases of us librarians.

[@Killer_Tortoise]

If you're trying to elect representatives to represent your country, you need to make sure that it is representative. However, an academic institution or a company doesn't need to be representative. Even if it did, what makes you think that the individuals you choose to accept into your company or academic institution are representatives of their group?

[@Objectivityiskey]

14:14 Yes Peter, many philosophers have posed this dilemma, but it was posed so eloquently in the Objectivist Epistemology. Have you read it? I'm guessing yes.

[@jeremyogrizovich3247]

Great

[@wendyspires1883]

Why does nobody ever discuss Yugoslavia and the Balkans situation over the last 100 years and more in this context?! Sweet Lord, there has been war there in my lifetime!

[@mwaltermann]

Peter Boghossian is getting really based over the years!

[@chopper2204]

Nice one Pete m8, hope you are enjoying your stay in Londonstan, you should also try going up North having a sojourn in Glaesga, Liverpool or Newcastle or somewhere like that, i think you might get a slightly different view maybe, but one thing is for sure you will be very well looked after,also it is not as ridiculously expensive as South East Ingerlund.

[@drpeterboghossian]

I was just in Liverpool. Really interesting city!

[@chopper2204]

Ah good man, Scousers are salt of the earth, Football (that's soccer to u (-:, fighting..and the Beatles ! It's a bit different to London for sure. @@drpeterboghossian

[@bankiey]

“It’s better to not do anything, than to learn things that are false.” Disagree on the fact that we don’t have absolute true framing of anything at all, we have functionally true framing of everything, but that framing is still wanting, however diminishing of a return it may be to pursue.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

The problem with Northern Ireland is not whether the Catholics or the Protestants are in power, its the Ireland doesn't have a deep seated tradition of separation of church and state. People have a greater trust in a government that isn't acting out of fear or favor to a religious ideology. Meanwhile that principle is under siege in the U.S. where large immigrant populations who don't have that understanding as a core, constitutionally enshrined, American value are implementing policy and voting in governments based on faith, not reason and the general public welfare. And the American public is allowing it to happen because they are using the religious right as a club against egregious woke policies like trans-mania. P.S. I predict that in 2024 the U.S. Supreme Court is gonna be called to strike down policy religion-based initiatives launched by state and local Muslim governments. As Peter keeps pointing out, replacing one belief-based system i.e. wokeness with another i.e. Islamic legal traditions of faith-based practice is a dangerous game.

[@Objectivityiskey]

43:20 No Peter, TikTok is the 5th gen PsyOp on the American individual. It's serious. This is the pipeline for demoralization.

[@albionicamerican8806]

The English adjective _white_ in its actual usage often means something like _competent, capable_ or _efficient._ So if _white_ means _competent,_ what does its antonym _woke_ implicitly mean?

[@jcraw6332]

Depends on how diversity is defined.

[@carrdoug99]

The goal should be to move to a level of homogeneity where ethnicity is irrelevant. Meaning, the group's moral view, vision for society, the view of relatedness, makes skin color, etcetera, as irrelevant hair color. Western society learning to deal with diversity is laudable. Setting diversity as a goal is a net negative.

[@mattwa33186]

I would have expected Peter to know the problem with SAT scores is they are very easy to game. Get your kid tutors, send them to bootcamps, invest in practice materials - which is how Asian kids do so well on them compared to groups that are roughly on the same level socio-economically. And he's assuming a pretty arbitrary test is a reliable indicator of future success.

[@bryck7853]

18:08 When Hungary was considered "low skill", Erdos told everyone smart to grab a pencil and paper and become excellent at math, which takes very little infrastructure. Archimedes, Gauss, & Euler didn't have computers

[@danielperkins1396]

What if the 51% of Asians at Harvard are not citizens and decide to move back to their respective countries. In this case wouldn’t we be in the business of training ‘competition’?

[@N7sensei]

Good point. I wonder how much actual training Harvard does these days. There are studies that track ivy league and other college graduates and compare them to the general population and whatnot. Once you control for IQ and connections and family background, you will find that lifetime earnings are only a tiny bit higher or even lower for these college graduates.