Are Navy SEALs the LEAST useful Special Operations Soldiers and Unit?

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Valhalla VFT

Valhalla VFT

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@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Alright guys since there’s already like 100+ comments asking for the Red Wings video you guys finally bullied me into doing it. I’ll start putting it together and try to have it out in the next few weeks.
@daammitboy
@daammitboy Ай бұрын
I wish you also could include the anti-hero podcast, would be nice to make an appearance. 🫡
@Baywatcher
@Baywatcher Ай бұрын
Nate Thanks for the 🔥 video 💪💪 That's awesome you covered this interview bc I've been thinking about that quote. It shows via the interviewees perception how pop culture influences public perception
@Baywatcher
@Baywatcher Ай бұрын
It shows for me my comment not showing. Gist - 🔥 video 💪💪💪 Thanks Nate
@Baywatcher
@Baywatcher Ай бұрын
​@@daammitboyAntihero is Army 💪 🔥🔥 and Green Beret / Delta
@jsmith8646
@jsmith8646 Ай бұрын
I just read about the Melgar incident that is so off!.
@VLAPredz
@VLAPredz Ай бұрын
My extremely limited experience dealing with any SOF personal or units. Rangers/SF were chill humble and would respect the troops they were working with. Marsoc did not exist yet but the few Force Recon/Former Force Recon Contractors were also very respectful of "Regular Army" units and personal. The SEALs all looked like they were 12 and acted like they shit golden logs.
@JoshuaBunkowske
@JoshuaBunkowske Ай бұрын
😂
@JJReal-m7x
@JJReal-m7x Ай бұрын
Seems to be a common theme
@markusk1015
@markusk1015 Ай бұрын
For some reason I have heard similar stories fucking countless times
@tonybarone5757
@tonybarone5757 Ай бұрын
That is my experience with the SEALs when I was in the military. I honestly never had a good experience with them on missions.
@ericolmos7816
@ericolmos7816 Ай бұрын
Bingo bro you said it! The SEALS think they're shit don't stink whereas the other SF units tend to work really well together. DELTA is the best baby!!
@julietlima5564
@julietlima5564 Ай бұрын
One of my XOs was an "old school" Green Beret. He said that one thing that really separates Green Berets from all other SOF units is that Green Berets can conduct humanitarian based mission/events. I remember him saying that his most fulfilling memories in Trashghanistan was when his ODA would do humanitarian mission sets in the surrounding villages of his AOR.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Because we are actively deployed in so many countries around the world, we’re often the first ones to be able to arrive on scene and provide help as well. So yes, we do actually do quite a bit of real world work like that.
@rent2386
@rent2386 Ай бұрын
AFSW conducts humanitarian aid as well. Davis rescue squadrons are in FL right now assisting
@nateo200
@nateo200 Ай бұрын
Yeah this is what makes them my favorite SOF unit. It seems like such a rewarding job. Hard but rewarding.
@creaturesofqueens
@creaturesofqueens Ай бұрын
Remember when Shawn Ryan told the story about his SEAL team being tasked out to train local Afghans. Quick summary: they had no fucking clue how to conduct the mission because they were never trained to do. It’s the primary mission of Green Berets. I mean this in the nicest way possible and I am most certainly over generalizing, but was told this by a tac sergeant in the course. Name any SOF unit in the US military. They can do everything a SEAL does and more AND we don’t write a book about it.
@cryora
@cryora Ай бұрын
National Guard and Civil Affairs can do that too. Unless an EMP goes off in a major city and 10 million people are out of power.
@dylanhill1640
@dylanhill1640 Ай бұрын
Each unit is a tool in the SOF inventory.
@Laotzu.Goldbug
@Laotzu.Goldbug Ай бұрын
There is absolutely no question that the SEALs are tools
@Gunker02
@Gunker02 Ай бұрын
Unless you're a SEAL then your a liability. 😁 kidding kidding.
@michaellavaughnrobinson
@michaellavaughnrobinson 8 күн бұрын
Emphasis on Tool.
@johnelliott5875
@johnelliott5875 4 күн бұрын
100%
@srsmedic8285
@srsmedic8285 Ай бұрын
As a “regular guy” one of the best opportunities is work with.. or get trading from Green Berets. Before my first trip to Iraq … someone got us hooked up with the guys at the 18d course. When we got there they were older operators who were doing some recertification training. So E-7’s mostly GB’ and few seals were there. They were doing a “mission” stopped and an instructor informed them that we were 82nd and were just about to deploy. They stopped what they were doing broke us up in pairs.. 2 of us for 4 operators each. For three day we did training on some “farm stuff” IYKYK and trauma related care. I learned more in that three day than I did as a Corpsman and Medic when I was in the Navy and Army. I’m so thankful for that. They didn’t look down on us.. they treated us as equals. Super encouraging and explained everything in a way we could follow and remember easily
@davidsmith7456
@davidsmith7456 Ай бұрын
Everything you brought forth is spot on. It is hard for someone outside of the community to understand how what you are saying is not tossing stone and is just calling a spade a spade. Thank you, stay strong, and keep posting.
@Austismandarchism
@Austismandarchism Ай бұрын
My grandfather is still sf reserve. What I found so cool was he never cared at all about being a bad ass. He was way more proud that he knew how to work with locals or live off grid to fight unconventionally. Personally I think that is way more bad ass.
@dukedumby
@dukedumby Ай бұрын
hey bro, no offense intended, but what's SF Reserve? The Texas NG SF?
@ReconM1A
@ReconM1A Ай бұрын
​@dukedumby 19th and 20th Special Forces Groups.... I can assure you that the one weekend a month doesn't apply to NG Special Forces.
@mikebrase5161
@mikebrase5161 Ай бұрын
​@@ReconM1Ayou are correct, I know a guy
@richardrichard5319
@richardrichard5319 Ай бұрын
I’m just a regular marine infantry man but I found it interesting when a friend of mine who is a seal got into a bar fight his command was ready to fry his ass. I was really surprised in the infantry nobody knows shit to tell anyone. We do our best to protect each other. They were ready to fry him over a fight. Sad
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
I was in the Q course with a former SEAL who literally got kicked out for a bar fight lol. Sounds like it’s not rare
@teebirderv8
@teebirderv8 Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFT I have a friend from NC that used to help with Robin sage as a volunteer since his house was on training ground. There was another volunteer that was helping that happened to be in the National Guard but was acting in a completely civilian capacity. She kept leaving her rifle around, so the instructors called her command and got her an article 15. Not sure how that played out like that. I hear about these types of things more and more lately from all the branches. Everyone is a blue falcon now.
@silkplayer9
@silkplayer9 Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFTdid he graduated? ?
@OleSmokey
@OleSmokey Ай бұрын
Marine grunt hardest baddest dudes I've ever met man for man period. 8th Marines 85 to 89 infantry
@mogsniper94
@mogsniper94 Ай бұрын
Well losing your rifle is all day grounds to get fucked. If any reason is viable ​@@teebirderv8
@OleSmokey
@OleSmokey Ай бұрын
Been around for long time the one thing I've learned. It's never the title it's the man.
@tylerjaime5094
@tylerjaime5094 6 күн бұрын
Exactly.
@Underrated_Clips
@Underrated_Clips Ай бұрын
For frogs snakes, yes. We want the video on red wings. Lol you already know we will tune in.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Based off all the responses already I imagine I’m finally goin to get bullied into it.
@mattwatts4672
@mattwatts4672 Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFT you won’t…😉
@Morrigan070671
@Morrigan070671 Ай бұрын
@@Underrated_Clips Definitely. In fact, a video could be twelve minutes of Nate breaking wind, and would still be worth watching.
@RansomeDavis
@RansomeDavis 27 күн бұрын
that would be very interesting, its a questionable topic isnt it.
@Laotzu.Goldbug
@Laotzu.Goldbug Ай бұрын
A thought that has bounced around in my head for years is that Army SoF (USASOC) and Navy SoF (NSW) are in many ways culturally reflective of the personality of the founders of their highest level units, Delta and DEVGRU/ST-6 respectively. I'm talking of course about Charlie Beckwith and Richard Marcinko. Two men who were both talented warriors, mavericks, and even the often overused "visionary", but in their characters could not have been more divergent (even though Wikipedia isn't the best source just browsing through the page for each man can give you a pretty solid grasp on this pretty quickly). Beckwith was the consummate soldier and the archetypal "All-American". Literally drafted by the Packers but deciding to enlist instead during Korea, going into Big Army, moving to SF, being indoctrinated into the deep traditions, becoming an expert in nearly everything he touched, becoming a leader, having exemplary command in Vietnam, experiencing things that should have killed him twice over and coming out stronger on the other side, learning directly from the SAS, and in many ways coming to presage the Army's later motto of "be all you can be". He was without question the correct choice to stand up Bluelight - the precursor to Delta - the right choice to try to piece back together the shattered SoF community in the wake of Eagle Claw, and is in many ways directly responsible for the highest levels of professionalism we see within SOCOM and JSOC to this day. In no small part to him Delta is not just another Elite unit but in many ways and Elite Army within an army, with every kind of resource and shop directly attached to it forming a kind of organization that is unparalleled anywhere else in the world. A multi-decade career, retired a full bird, respected and liked by almost everyone who knew him, with children that continued the tradition and are in the service even to this day. Marcinko was like the inverse. A wild man from day one, but absolutely a ruthless and talented killer. Dropped out of high school and try to enlist in the Corps and got rejected because of it, BUD/S to SEAL 2, all kinds of gnarly things in Vietnam and also cheated death (supposedly). Directed SEALs during Eagle claw, selected to stand up ST-6 but possibly involuntarily relinquished command. chosen to lead Red Cell for red team ops because of his known Maverick personality. ended up crossing the line and going too far and being told to kick it from the dod. and then going full Steven Seagal for a couple decades - but with the actual chops - insane interviews, overblown stories, barely believable novels, ponytails, claims of spurious exploits, and the inability to Simply stop talking about himself. No children, mixed personal legacy. Of course this is very reductionist, and almost too archetypal, but I can't dismiss it as being a shoe that just fits too well. To this day seals, from the very top to the standard Team guys simply cannot stop talking about themselves and have really embraced the wild man mentality, whereas Delta, and USASOC in general, continues to be the embodiment of The Quiet Professional. (There is of course a more basic explanation, as guys have pointed out for many years, that the SoF units in every other branch have a significant infantry background, which is a major shaping force for discipline, character, and unit culture, but the SEALS do not)
@edwardlenovo3240
@edwardlenovo3240 Ай бұрын
You're close. It's the initial basic training pipeline. With some rare exceptions (like 18X for example) everyone going to an Army SOF unit, will have spent months-years being a soldier (and generally an Infantry soldier), prior to going into any SOF pipeline. SEALs don't do that. They get their first taste of being a soldier in 3rd phase of BUD/s. Those months and years potentially of field exercises, ruck marches, combat deployments, are a vastly different experience than being a sailor, and consequently lead to a much different mentality, because if you are in an Army SoF unit.... you are ramping up the intensity of all those shitty aspects, i.e. you are just taking that next step, but you aren't likely to forget where you came from and all the people still in that spot. For SEALs (and you can see this sentiment in various books, documentaries, articles, etc.) many have nothing but disdain for the regular fleet, they pump up candidates with this rhetoric that they are in fact better than the regular fleet folks, and other military units. They breed this culture of elitism from the very beginning because the truth is they aren't sailors, and don't want to be sailors. They want to be soldiers, they train like soldiers, but they spend scant little time actually training in the basics of being a soldier, and living that life for an extended period, and they are in an organization where no else is a soldier. So yeah definitely not a surprise where the attitude comes froms
@jsmith3388
@jsmith3388 Ай бұрын
Wrong. CCTs originated from army pathfinder of WW2, 30 years before the others
@rojoloco3911
@rojoloco3911 Ай бұрын
Well, I was gonna draft up lengthy comment, haha . I won’t get into whether or not they should exist or not. I would just say it would do them well too have to go play Navy for a while to humble themselves. To not crap on everyone. To realize that as great as they are and as tough as they are in the grand scheme of things, they’re not better than anyone. To realize that as well trained as they are, it would only take one piss off 14 year halfway on the globe to squeeze a trigger and their life.
@duranbailiff5337
@duranbailiff5337 Ай бұрын
I met Dick Marcinco in Virginia while in an Army Aviation school at Ft. Eustis. Though he had aged after his wild years, he still was big and strong. I asked him to sign some books of his that I had read. While signing, he asked me about my career and never took his eyes off mine. Later, when I looked at his signatures, I was surprised. His penmanship was immaculate. He made articulate statements. And he wrote them while looking at me and talking casually. He was very complimentary, despite my being a young Army guy. Maybe he was being nice because I bought and read his books. I like to think that he had mellowed with the years and that I had met the genuine man. One Team, One Fight! 🎉
@jackickes880
@jackickes880 Ай бұрын
I read the book combat swimmer which is from another seal team 2 officers perspective and its really interesting what all went down with ST6 & Marcinko. The most damning thing was his (marcinko's) self admitted fabrication of some award citations.
@originalpastaman5470
@originalpastaman5470 Ай бұрын
I think a big difference is that a lot of SOF both in the US and abroad put a premium on infantry competence and experience. It isn't just some "well that's just standard basic stuff". Infantry TTP's are effectively the bread and butter of any combat operation with SOF simply being really really really good at doing them combined with their special skills e.g. guerrilla warfare, explosives, what have you. Seals on the other hand come from the Navy with zero history or understanding of infantry TTP's and will often times look at all of that as secondary when they really shouldn't. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're a 14 year old opium farmer, a 16 year old conscript or some super duper Delta operator. A gunfights a gunfight and infantry TTP's are pretty universal for that.
@SNAKEEATER1776
@SNAKEEATER1776 Ай бұрын
In my experience, PJs were the least utilized SOF during my tenure between Iraq in Afghanistan from 2010-2015. They were great on MEDEVACs to receive hand-offs from the 18Ds, but there weren’t too many aircraft shot down for them to be utilized to their fullest capability.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
We literally had a MASCAS with emergency exfil, the one time you really need to them, and didn’t even get them then lol.
@Yourwifeismid
@Yourwifeismid Ай бұрын
@onesready
@JesusChrist2000BC
@JesusChrist2000BC Ай бұрын
They were never around when you needed them. That's my perspective on them.
@KansaSCaymanS
@KansaSCaymanS Ай бұрын
Decades ago, a SEAL would often not even acknowledge publicly what they were, much less brag about it. The recent instances of public back-biting on social media by former SEALs and things like drug abuse on active duty, etc. portray a lack of professionalism, and have really hurt the image of their community as a whole.
@yuk6260
@yuk6260 Ай бұрын
It's NOT the SEALs' fault DOD started sending the SEAL's on 'conventional' missions, which they were not created for. You don't read about the classified missions they do in their books. Plus, the interviews and books are recruiting tools because they are small SOU's and lose quite a few on missions that other SOFs don't want. As an OGA who has had a great experience working with mature TEAM guy's, I have great things to say. Now, put me in a gunfight against FTO's and Alexa's, I'll take the Army's Bearded Bastards all day. You want someone assassinated or something blown Up, give me Frogmen anytime. Seems to be a season of crapping on SEAL's because Gen Z sucks... and DOD/NSW has gotten candy azz.... If you completed SEAL training and got the Trident pinned on your chest, then yes you would crap golden logs also... those that have not, hate the Team's... have fun!!!! Prayers to our military, and thank them for keeping us safe,,,,,,,,
@themagician7734
@themagician7734 Ай бұрын
The guy who created Seal Team Six wrote a book about it (and then a lot of non-fiction).
@jb7483
@jb7483 Ай бұрын
​​@@themagician7734then got arrested for fraud.
@TheLibraryChamber
@TheLibraryChamber Ай бұрын
@@yuk6260 "its not the SEALs fault"...c'mon man...absurd. Those teams could NOT wait to get int other fight, in any way possible. The failings of the SEALs is obviously a leadership and maturity level issue.
@davidanderson3684
@davidanderson3684 Ай бұрын
As a navy vet, that's a true statement, and I met seals thirty years ago, and they're very low-key and humble and never bring attention to themselves!
@ViktoriousDead
@ViktoriousDead Ай бұрын
It really is wild how massive the divide is between perception and reality. Solid video as always
@Timetravel3880
@Timetravel3880 Ай бұрын
Perception is reality Also sick Gustav video I was also and anti tank gunner. Along with ammobearer/grenadier
@ViktoriousDead
@ViktoriousDead Ай бұрын
@@Timetravel3880 perception is reality until it isn’t
@Timetravel3880
@Timetravel3880 Ай бұрын
@@ViktoriousDead I was just repeating it as a saying I've heard from a squad leader. But I absolutely agree with you. I've known people who were heroes on paper but cowards in deployment
@dac.40
@dac.40 Ай бұрын
@@ViktoriousDead perception isnt reality unless the perception of reality is reality
@JoshuaBunkowske
@JoshuaBunkowske Ай бұрын
@@dac.40😂
@tommy2x4
@tommy2x4 Ай бұрын
great perspective. as a guy that was both navy/army, it was night and difference in how both branches did things. i'll just say this, i'm glad both are on the same team.
@dukedumby
@dukedumby Ай бұрын
Hey man, thanks for making your conentent. I don't wanna brag but I was a specialist major attached to delta, seal team 6, task force 22, the justice league, and am personally friends with batman. Seriously, as light on the right dude and general fanboy who met some of your friends at Ft. Lewis, you people are crazy and I mean that with the greatest respect. ...PS the edit is b/c I forgot to mention spaceship doorgunner. Hooah and thanks to all who serve!
@mpeugeot
@mpeugeot Ай бұрын
Robin, is that you?
@RansomeDavis
@RansomeDavis 27 күн бұрын
yep your bragging 😂😂 were you darth vaders 2nd in command too ?
@JammyDodger45
@JammyDodger45 Ай бұрын
Limited perspective from a Brit Royal Marines Commando here ... I met SEALs on Ops twice and on Exercise once, decent guys but not able to mix very well with other Nations and forces, a very insular bunch who actually gave off quite an overconfident vibe, like they figured if they shouted loudly enough people would believe it. Totally different to the Rangers I worked with who were keen to learn other ways of operating and happy to swap methodologies etc. Green Berets were just a bit odd, in Afghanistan they seemed to have no idea what they were supposed to be doing, killing bad guys or fixing up their power supplies and that came across in their interactions with others, it's like they were looking for a mission, when they came on ours they were outstanding in their drills and skills so no complaints there. Given the choice I'd work with any of them again but I'd gravitate towards the Rangers.
@JRT140
@JRT140 Ай бұрын
Until 9/11 SF guys weren't SO and most of them didn't have any high speed low drag type training. After 9/11 part of SF wanted to get into the direct action SO game and the other part wanted nothing to do with it.
@GBody-sn5ok
@GBody-sn5ok 6 күн бұрын
How could the SF not be SO when that's exactly what they are? 🤔 ​@@JRT140
@JRT140
@JRT140 6 күн бұрын
@GBody-sn5ok google dude
@johnelliott5875
@johnelliott5875 4 күн бұрын
​@@JRT140that was my experience with them some wanted the older docturn of teaching some wanted direct action roles. Weired experiences with different mentality in one unit
@johnelliott5875
@johnelliott5875 4 күн бұрын
​100 % my experience many would teach you anything you needed, others were arrogant assholes
@Sean-bn2cf
@Sean-bn2cf Ай бұрын
Definitely do a case study on Red Wings and other SOF missions. On Red Wings: what recce training did they have? In Canada our experienced infantry soldiers must pass a rigorous 6-8 week recce course to take part in recce patrols. What was their E&E plan and training? What was their actions on compromise plan? WHY didn’t they JUMP in covertly? Or long walk insert? (It appears they ignored advice from USMC re: challenges for covert insertion and were compromised right away). Compare and contrast that teams recce training to Ranger or GB or USMC recon teams. Have a great one! Love the candour of your show.
@cm-pr2ys
@cm-pr2ys Ай бұрын
What's the difference between your guys basic recce, advanced recce, and patrol pathfinder courses? I've been trying to wrap my head around but there isn't much info in America about Canadian infantry honestly. Also, do you think the Canadian Airborne Regiment will come back? Are there Canadian Marines?
@Abefroman-lq3md
@Abefroman-lq3md Ай бұрын
It was a shambolic, amateur hour joke. They were clowns and Marcus is a lying POS!
@superdrew8564
@superdrew8564 Ай бұрын
@@cm-pr2ys 1. The Canadian Airborne is never coming back. They did stand up a unit (Canadian Special Operations Regiment) in 2006, that took on much of the duties of the CAR, as well as being a cross between Rangers and GB. 2. Canada does not have marines. The odds of us ever creating such a force are slim to none. 3. Basic recce Over the course of BRP candidates will be expected to learn and master a wide variety of subjects such as: perform individual dismounted navigation in complex terrain by day and by night, operation of low light (night vision) and thermal (heat vision) observational equipment, radio procedure including all arms call for fire, armored vehicle identification, rappelling, waterborne missions, mission planning, tracking quarry in teams, executing patrols, establishing observation posts, enacting escape and evasion plan. Advanced recce used to be called recce commander, so infer what you want from that. Patrol pathfinder : According to doctrine still in development, a Canadian Patrol Pathfinder is an expert at insertion and extraction techniques by air, land, or sea. He or she must be proficient in the establishment of drop zones, landing zones, beach sites, and tactical airstrips for follow-on forces and is prepared to advise commanders on the Pathfinder phase in joint operations
@jonlauermann3214
@jonlauermann3214 Ай бұрын
I personally would love to hear your take on operation Redwing from the perspective of someone outside of that unit, but within information about what happened in that area of operation on that mission with the leadership
@GIJOE-24
@GIJOE-24 Ай бұрын
Hey Valhalla, im a long time viewer, I'm planning to become a rescue swimmer in the coast guard and just wanted you to know! I watch because its manly vibes and interesting. I'm going super hard in my training and my training is similar to what you guys did for the berets/seals/delta etc its so hard but so rewarding nothing like finishing a 3 miler in the blazing new Orleans heat on the levee grass and dreaming about the future!
@Willrocs
@Willrocs Ай бұрын
Good luck and you can do it
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
@@GIJOE-24 one of my former teammates was actually a coast guard rescue swimmer before he became a GB, and I can tell you he had a much easier time at Dive School than anyone else lol.
@GIJOE-24
@GIJOE-24 Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFT lol thanks for comment man that's awesome and funny to hear 💥
@JoshuaBunkowske
@JoshuaBunkowske Ай бұрын
My grandpa bought me a DVD for a movie about coast guard rescue swimmers. I watched it with my friend a couple months ago. It was pretty cool.
@Ranger175bco
@Ranger175bco Ай бұрын
Good luck to you. Keep this in your head when you get on the bus to start your carrier. 80% mental and 20% physical. A physical breakdown or injury you can't do anything g about. As long as you're physically ready for what you're getting into, you will get through it. But the mental is what kills most dreams.. Good luck to you.
@benb.525
@benb.525 Ай бұрын
Yes to redwings! On a unrelated note, I'd be interested in hearing you give an overview of counter-insurgency strategy/tactics and any personal insights you might have.. Love your analysis - great work!
@danmoore9143
@danmoore9143 Ай бұрын
I would like to hear your take on Operation Redwings. Ed Darack wrote a great book highlighting this operation, he was embedded with the Marine infantry unit that was originally planning to perform this mission. Unfortunately, they were not granted access to the 160th because the Seal Officers wanted the mission and over rode the Marine Unit and took the lead. Ego driven decisions usually equal mission failure. I may be biased….USMC 1989-1993. Great channel.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Ya man, one of my SGMs was the team sergeant for the ODA holding that region, lot of backside failures most people don’t realize, and 💯 those failures as you said were mainly ego driven.
@oldfrogman4186
@oldfrogman4186 Ай бұрын
You may be biased
@MyTruth1771
@MyTruth1771 Ай бұрын
The problem started from the beginning. The Marine Corps should've been the service to have taken on the SEAL mission from the very beginning. The Corps would've had a mature wealth of experienced infantrymen to anchor its ranks just like SF. In time, MARSOC will likely do so given the SEALS troubling track record.
@piratecat990
@piratecat990 Ай бұрын
Marines are allowed to be SEALs.
@Wayward_Son77
@Wayward_Son77 Ай бұрын
@@piratecat990he is saying that the SEALs are a naval organization run by the navy. He’s saying it should be a marine corps unit.
@SurfaceWarfare007
@SurfaceWarfare007 Ай бұрын
​@Wayward_Son77 since the Marines fall under the Department of the Navy I'm sure they didn't have a say in the matter. Also it's was Navy sailors who were the original Seals. Maybe if they were Marines it would be under the Marines.
@DavidLee-bw5dm
@DavidLee-bw5dm 20 күн бұрын
​@@SurfaceWarfare007 my guy, your missing the point just to argue.
@baileyrach9988
@baileyrach9988 Ай бұрын
Would love to hear a deep dive into operation Red Wings, as I’ve heard so many contradictory statements on the operation
@ThroatGoatNancy
@ThroatGoatNancy Ай бұрын
Yes, this! I've watched/read so much about it but I love hearing new opinions but same as you, heard way too many contradictory statements aswell that it intrigues me even more.
@Charles-pf7zy
@Charles-pf7zy Ай бұрын
lone survivor was bs. the same way chinese and russian propaganda war movies overinflate the effectiveness of their troops. hollywood is just the (private) propaganda arm of the navy seals
@markusk1015
@markusk1015 Ай бұрын
Yes this would be excellent. Something like that anti hero podcast
@RansomeDavis
@RansomeDavis 27 күн бұрын
well if you listen to the survivor your hear the hollywood version. if you listen to other military intel you hear the realistic version hence truth.
@baileyrach9988
@baileyrach9988 27 күн бұрын
@@RansomeDavis fair enough mate, any other good podcasts that discuss the topic?
@HazmanTheGreat
@HazmanTheGreat Ай бұрын
I love to look at Green Berets as the Swiss army knife multi-tool of the special operations world. They have the best ALL around capabilities of the special operation groups out there compared to other counterparts. But do not mistaken ALL special operation groups are incredible and badass for what they do. BTW I LOVE the amazing setup. Your higher quality camera looks amazing on my new 4k HDR mini-LED monitor. Take care good sir and God bless!😎🙏✌
@Frank-uw5xq
@Frank-uw5xq Ай бұрын
Absolutely agree...SF is the most dynamic tool
@sneakypeaky298
@sneakypeaky298 Ай бұрын
If youre not in the community of SEALs in some capacity its impossible to come to accurate conclusions about them in these youtube vids, good discussions from your perspective that i appreciate man, especially beneficial being able to stay connected through things you and others post like Shawn and 3of7 after guys get out, theres a cultural difference between west coast and east coast teams where youll see a lot of the guys you describe coming from one of those in particular, so the teams definitely eat their own in an attempt to hold eachother to a higher standard and maybe too much, but theres definitely 0 culture of critiquing green berets, not even on the radar, but what you will see is super skilled operators on target and theyll pretty much always be in the best shape unless they totally turd out as a new guy, i think the individual shooter/problem-solver mindset definitely builds something like an entrepeneurial mindset so youll see a lot of things comes out when guys leave, but also Andrew B flat out doesnt know what hes talking about, he must have had some interaction with army and only social media ones with seals. He puts green berets in the same category as delta, and he has his numbers wrong on there being more seals. Also, the capability comparisons you make are somewhat accurate but the seal teams have the unique position to keep those capabilities out of the public eye while green berets continue to be known for them. Dont really disagree or blame anyone for their opinion of seals if they only have videos on youtube to go off of... of which the vast majority dont even have a social media app bc they will eat their own if you post dumb stuff ha, and id like to speak to the training comparisons but i dont know what the culture is like in your units, once you finish buds,sqt, and language, you are a new guy on day 1, and its training/earning your actual trident everyday for 2 years or until you prove yourself on deployment. DJ is a great window into how analytical and perfectionist seals really are, atleast the good ones that dont do the minimum time and start a public persona immediately. Again, appreciate you and your perspective, i guess we need the smart seals on social media! Just kidding
@RavishingSailor
@RavishingSailor Ай бұрын
My absolute favorite channel. Listen to your videos all the time on my long drive to work.
@JoshuaBunkowske
@JoshuaBunkowske Ай бұрын
I’m a teenager and I’m planning on trying to go to special operations the ranger regiment seems to have the job I want to do.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
I tell every dude I talk to age 18-22 to go Ranger batt first. Highly recommend that route.
@JoshuaBunkowske
@JoshuaBunkowske Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFT 👍
@1mattbutch
@1mattbutch Ай бұрын
Absolutely go to Ranger Bat first. You will learn a lot and fast. Enjoy the challenge!
@JoshuaBunkowske
@JoshuaBunkowske Ай бұрын
@@1mattbutch I’ll try my best to get in. If I don’t make it it’s not for a lack of effort.
@markdougherty8933
@markdougherty8933 Ай бұрын
​@@JoshuaBunkowske If you don't pass RASP you'll likely still go to an Airborne Infantry unit which can still be a great stepping stone into SOF once you learn, mature as a person, and build your body up . Good luck young brotha
@РамзанКадыров1
@РамзанКадыров1 Ай бұрын
Your content is great. This is one of the few channels with minimal editing throughout the commentary that I don't mind sitting through and listening to. Keep up the uploads man. Good stuff!
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
That’s cause I 1 take all my videos bro. I’m not tech wizard and I don’t have the time lol.
@ugs192
@ugs192 Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFTI love how you make these, far better than perfectly reading off a script word for word
@tailwind12
@tailwind12 Ай бұрын
i am not a fan of Bustamonte at all. in any manner. he TALKS was too much for a guy that did agency time AND was an UAFA graduate and officer. As a (former) Army combat arms officer myself part of your responsibly to the military (army), oath, nation and as a citizen is NOT to for years after retiring or leaving the service (Bustamonte QUIT the agency-he did not retire) is to compartmentalize and restrict your knowledge of information, training vetting and experience (missions) of what to tell others. ESPECIALLY on YT that is open and seen to the world. yes folks even our enemy's overseas watch and cypher from YT information. believe it or NOT. you cannot hear that from bustamonte. he is way too busy wearing childish "everydayspy" tshirts like something my 12yoa daughter would wear from the sale rack TJ Max on saturday. childish and unbecoming of his background and training. but we live in a YT,. FB and instagram world. that IF you are not on them BS'ig about your time, life and career than you are "a" nobody. that being said bustamonte was on point about SF and Seals. that is a generalization but in the "ballpark" of accurate and fair. very surprised at Nate for this topic. it is not healthy nor proper on a non-vetted format (and yes YT is NON vetted format) to talk about this topic in open. other bad actors watch this show and learn. IF you think for overseas, they are NOT? think again and again. situations change. IF he or others were still on active duty and the sh-t hit the fan and this "least" helpful unit bailed you out--well then, they are not the "least" anymore not, are they? be careful who you criticize in public (YT). Correct? bottom line: NO need nor productive to talk about this topic on OPEN source YT. but i am 59yoa retired after 20yrs with a city in florida and i was a DoD contractor for 6yrs and DoS for 3yrs. 9yrs in the sandbox and mobile about 70% of the time. i was not a "FOB-ette". so i got "talk" to say also not only these two that talk--but make a buck$ off of likes, subscribe. FOLKS: you can agree or disagree with the following. i know this from by time in the box and training--you cannot tell me different. many of these "intel" and military YT shows talk way, way and WAY too much on topics that should not be in the public domain and spoke as such. and NO do not buy the BS that "nothing of sensitive information is being reveled". especially bustamonte that talks for hours, hours days and every and all podcast and NEVER shuts up: he (especially Bustamonte) is spilling information like a drunk spills beer at a bar at 2am. Oh-and "Bustamonte" is his wife maiden name of which he took and assumed. that also should tell you some "Intel" on him and his being of such.
@lucashageman3062
@lucashageman3062 Ай бұрын
I agree completely, it's like I'm having a conversation with him rather than listening to a script
@scottpomygalski6078
@scottpomygalski6078 Ай бұрын
Very interesting video and thoughts. What people seem to forget is that over the last 20 years of the GWOT, the JSOC in AFG/IRQ operate in a similar manner. However, All these teams have a special history since even before WW2 that filled a specific niche. The waterways with the SEALS, the guerilla training with the GB, and the small unit raids like the Rangers. I really dont like the conversation everyone sees on other channels, which is best because that conversation is not based on their primary means of existence. I would not want a regular SEAL team to do a raid deep in AFG, and I would not want a Ranger unit to interdict a ship or oil rig. I don't know maybe I am wrong, but that is coming from an old timer. Shame on those generals for putting those SEALS in a position to be in a prolonged firefight, shame on them.
@johnelliott5875
@johnelliott5875 4 күн бұрын
Im old as dirt but when i served it was basicly 3 different job descriptions. 1)SF instructors for indigenous troops 2) seals advanced recon 3) Rangers the hammer vs any nail in large unit tactics. The higher ups started using many SF units outside their primary roles . Things have changed so much over time.
@JoeSaundersYippieKiYay
@JoeSaundersYippieKiYay Ай бұрын
As always great insights and a breakdown of them. "The right tool for the right job." Thanks for pointing that out, should be a popular tattoo to keep it fresh on our minds. Rock on Sir!
@V43xV1CT15
@V43xV1CT15 Ай бұрын
Do the red wings video. It might get a lot of traction on here too which will help your channel
@mylesmcpherson8380
@mylesmcpherson8380 Ай бұрын
I'm a navy veteran but I have always said the Green Berets are hands down the best in all special forces and special operations!!! I have had many a family member that was Army would always tell me the stories and greatness of Green Berets! I'm a Green Beret & Ranger fan! I thank you Sir for your service and you podcast is outstanding!!!
@Stand1ngBear
@Stand1ngBear Ай бұрын
Army vet here. I wouldn't necessarily say they are the "best" in special operations but they are definitely the best at force multiplication and training/teaching foreign militaries. Rangers are the best at conducting airfield seizures and delta are the best at rescuing hostages and capturing high value targets. Each unit is trained in specific skill sets that all serve equally important purposes.
@Laotzu.Goldbug
@Laotzu.Goldbug Ай бұрын
Army SF unquestionably has a long tradition and well-earned reputation of skill, professionalism and maturity.
@marcellus-bn7mb
@marcellus-bn7mb Ай бұрын
Could you make a video about about CDQC and Dive ODAs maritime capabilities compared to seals, marsoc or force recon? Not alot of people talk about that.
@KINGRODP
@KINGRODP Ай бұрын
Yes! I say this all the time!
@JpRiascos
@JpRiascos Ай бұрын
Yes
@aegypiusmonachus
@aegypiusmonachus Ай бұрын
We definitely want the video on "Red Weengs". Consider also doing a series of videos breaking down the things that went wrong on other less known missions.
@dresdyn100
@dresdyn100 Ай бұрын
If you put up a Venn diagram of SOCOM units, there's a lot of intersection but what stands out is the specialisations and it becomes very obvious where you'd typically use each capability. It's not hard and fast but seems to have been forgotten altogether in the last few decades. Having said all that, as an AFG vet that wasn't US military, my interactions with SEALs didn't do much to give me a high opinion of them. This video goes a long way towards confirming my personal experience.
@duranbailiff5337
@duranbailiff5337 Ай бұрын
In my Army career, I had the opportunity to meet SF guys, as well as some lesser known operators of high speed units. What impressed me most was how humble and down to earth they were. When I was at Ft. Campbell, we had to take written tests as Sergeants. The 18 series soldiers would show up the same time as us aviation soldiers. When parking at the test facility we noticed the Harleys and tricked out SUVs. That meant that the SF guys were on site. Since military personnel show up early for functions, we had time to meet and converse. I will never forget the reply when I remarked how unobtainable the SF route was for average soldiers. “Brother, if I can do this, so can you.” Every soldier I knew who had interacted with SF had the same impression. Despite being high speed and lethal, SF, Delta, and Flight Concepts personnel were humble and down to earth. 🙌
@studytime-qb9bx
@studytime-qb9bx Ай бұрын
Every unit talks trash about the others, but at the end of the day, the enemy still has to face all of them together lol. Great video man you've got a sub.
@redrobin1193
@redrobin1193 Ай бұрын
Getting the same or repeated questions is a good sign since it means your channel is growing. Keep it up!
@the42nd
@the42nd Ай бұрын
Am I the only one that has seen a bunch of this "CIA" guys vids and remain completely unconvinced that he has any legit operational experience?
@Appachoppa112
@Appachoppa112 Ай бұрын
He’s that good that everyone refuses to believe him 😂😂😂
@the42nd
@the42nd Ай бұрын
@@Appachoppa112 so unbelievable he could take photos of the Kremlin and they wouldn't arrest him...
@orlock20
@orlock20 Ай бұрын
There is a lot of CIA stuff that kind of makes it look like the organization is trying to find a mission. One famous chef made shark repellent, one famous book writer and interviewer read books by South American leftists and we also know the CIA dabbled with ESP, LSD, UFOs and dead rats. There is a guy at a desk right now trying to find how much corn South African is getting on a daily bases and how it's distributed.
@RobertLeeMobley
@RobertLeeMobley Ай бұрын
Right? He IS entertaining though
@Wayward_Son77
@Wayward_Son77 Ай бұрын
Idk, I’ve watched a lot of his stuff, and he seems legit. But I’ve never been a spy, so what do I know lol
@danielphelps6632
@danielphelps6632 Ай бұрын
Keep up the good work. Your channel will certainly continue to grow. I’ve found myself listening to your perspective on a bunch of different topics. History topics are great, and your current events are just as useful. Keep doing what you do.
@flyingheelhook160
@flyingheelhook160 Ай бұрын
Love the content man! Keep it coming! Can’t wait for the Red Wings vid!
@coldsteel9420
@coldsteel9420 Ай бұрын
I heard that BUD/S is the assessment and selection part of the training that's focused more on weeding people out, and it's followed by the SEAL qualification training.
@jerrywebster7678
@jerrywebster7678 Ай бұрын
That would be hell week, which is a very small part of BUDS.
@coldsteel9420
@coldsteel9420 Ай бұрын
@@jerrywebster7678 No, hell week isn't the only tough part of the training. The entire beginning stage is where most of the people get weeded out.
@jerrywebster7678
@jerrywebster7678 Ай бұрын
@@coldsteel9420 thanks.
@Fylgjumaðr
@Fylgjumaðr 3 күн бұрын
Phase 1 of BUD/S (the green helmets), yes.
@MCFCTheMadHatter
@MCFCTheMadHatter Ай бұрын
Another solid video. Very much appreciate the timestamps too👍
@jspur6
@jspur6 Ай бұрын
I was in the 82nd, and we did a reasonable amount of cross training with green beret, and a little with seals. I’d say my assessment is that seals are the top dogs when it comes to CQB combat. But that’s about all they’re good at. They’re the sharpest scalpel in the drawer, but all they know how to do is cut. Green beret were always significantly smarter and more even keel when I’d work with them. Green berets embody the idea that there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
@ditch9802
@ditch9802 Ай бұрын
Don't forget about the AF TAC left behind by the SEALs.
@arttrumbo9496
@arttrumbo9496 Ай бұрын
He glassed over that early on when he mentioned the abandonment of John Chapman.
@markdougherty8933
@markdougherty8933 Ай бұрын
He said Chapman ..that's who he was talking about
@AirRider44
@AirRider44 Ай бұрын
I’ve had the pleasure of knowing both Seals and Delta operators. Both groups have incredible guys, but the spook is spot on.
@jenniturtleburger3708
@jenniturtleburger3708 Ай бұрын
SEALs just don’t have the same proficiency in infantry tactics that SF does since most SF guys already have a lot of that training before getting into SF it seems to me.
@AC_702
@AC_702 Ай бұрын
True. It's not unheard of a SEAL team that get boat-raced by a line Marine infantry squad. "Brilliance in the basics" is a good policy for a reason. For CQB or some quick direct action, SEALs are up there. But the SEALs aren't really trained or have the experience in fundamental infantry TTPs. Not a knock on them but that's not what they train to do.
@Fylgjumaðr
@Fylgjumaðr 3 күн бұрын
Even in the Coast Guard, you have to have at least 5 years of experience with other maritime law enforcement positions and training with a strong record before trying out for their tier 1 MSRT.
@sidworley2318
@sidworley2318 6 күн бұрын
Just curious, but shouldn’t you be comparing Green Beret Delta and seal team six?
@Paddy-McNasty
@Paddy-McNasty Ай бұрын
Risk vs reward the longer you spend in a tough selection the more chances you have to get injured and spend the next 4 years scrubbing the poop deck. Definitly prefer the SF approach of okay we know in 3 weeks if your tough enough and testing if you can think on your feet too so relying on grit is a last resort. Would love to see a Ranger vs SF pipline video possibly with a ranger as a guest at some point comparing the pros and cons of each route.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Actually had a SF vs Ranger video planned before this one but got sidetracked. Looking at putting it out next week.
@Paddy-McNasty
@Paddy-McNasty Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFT Looking forward to it my friend
@tomszatkowski5336
@tomszatkowski5336 Ай бұрын
​​@@ValhallaVFTI look forward to the ranger vs SF video. Been on the fence between option 40 or 18x. Enlisting at 28 from doing tree work for 7 years, so running fast is not my current strong suit, which speaking of I did enjoy your running work out video. Tons of knowledge taken from that. Edit: I'll add I expect nothing but an uphill battle the entire way of selection with either choice.
@TedTurner-y6j
@TedTurner-y6j Ай бұрын
That would be great to watch. I'd be very interested in seeing that.​@@ValhallaVFT
@charlieghague
@charlieghague 10 күн бұрын
I think the big difference here is time in service. Most ODA or Delta guys are there for almost 20 years with over a dozen deployments. They spend years perfecting their craft. A lot of seals do their 6 years, get out, and spend the rest of their life introducing themselves as "former Navy Seal so and so".
@iamthelizardking6239
@iamthelizardking6239 Ай бұрын
It’s a special operations unit with no combat MOS to pull from…that says everything you need to know.
@YungSnowGod
@YungSnowGod Ай бұрын
I’d argue FMF corpman and MAs but even that’s not really a combat MOs… unless you count like EOD and swcc etc
@iamthelizardking6239
@iamthelizardking6239 Ай бұрын
@@YungSnowGod my point is unlike the army and marines they have no experienced door kickers to choose from. Look at Marcus luttrell and operation red wing, 3 of the 4 men had zero combat experience and look what happened, heck Marcus ran away. NSW turned it into recruiting propaganda. Marcus claimed 100-200 fighters the video tape from the Afghanis fighters shows only 10-12, Marcus claims he was all bruised and cut up from getting blown off the mountain but the photo Muhammad gulab took in the village shows he look perfectly fine not a single scratch on his face and gulab also said when he found Marcus he had all 12 of his mags .
@ubcroel4022
@ubcroel4022 Ай бұрын
​@@iamthelizardking6239all guts, no glory.
@ElitePushcartRacer
@ElitePushcartRacer Ай бұрын
Having never served in the SOF community, I did serve in Armor. I likely did more field work, tactical training, maneuver, weapons training than most sailors going through BUDS. Any MOS can apply for SF in the Army. In fact, its encouraged because bringing a qualified mechanic to a unit strengthens the unit's effectiveness. But even the REMF's have spent a great deal of time "in the field" depending on their unit - especially if they were in a maneuver battalion (Inf, Armor/Cav, Arty, Combat Support Batt) because they live in the field. Being in the field forces soldiers to improvise and work as a team to solve problems because their ability to just go over to a supply depot, isn't an option in many cases. So not all of them are Ranger/Light Inf backgrounds (although I am certain they do make up the majority). And the Ranger/Light Inf backgrounds are probably better suited on day 1. So I can see how that would give an edge to SF for knowlege depth.
@intelligenthoodlum33
@intelligenthoodlum33 Ай бұрын
Liked and subscribed. I'd love to see you get more into OP Red Wings and TF Bruiser. It would be useful for young men hoping to join the spec op community.
@claudialanzerstorfer1995
@claudialanzerstorfer1995 Ай бұрын
After reading almost all comments i realised as a foreign lady that there is much competition between special forces units 🙀. I am sure all units work/train hard and have their special use. I would be grateful if you read my other comment about extortion 17 maybe you left even a comment for me.
@paulstrathern4309
@paulstrathern4309 Ай бұрын
@20:31 Fair enough. But this kind of reminds me of an article I read on Sandboxx that was written by former Green Beret/Delta George Hand about training with Devgru in the 90s. He describes a situation where one of them had an A.D. which the Seals all laughed off. Hand said that in Delta, a single A.D.(depending on the circumstances) can get you suspended from The Unit for up to a year before you're allowed to return.
@sharwama992
@sharwama992 Ай бұрын
What is an AD
@enyskept
@enyskept Ай бұрын
@@sharwama992Accidental Discharge
@blackvivi2488
@blackvivi2488 Ай бұрын
Newer subscriber here Nate I like the new background. It definitely looks really professional, hopefully will be seeing you on SRS and Rogan.
@SoldierDrew
@SoldierDrew Ай бұрын
I've worked with or trained with most military SOF's and a few S.F. groups. My experience, generally, because there's always exceptions, was that the most professional, highly trained, intelligent guys who could p.t. harder than any pro athletes were tier 1 delta force guys, tier 2 S.F. Group guys, tier 2 Ranger Batt guys, an Air Force Combat Controller I worked with once (highly impressive guy) and the P.J.'s were decent guys. The Force Recon guys I was training with were a mixed bag of some cool professionals and some immature egomaniacs acting like middle aged adolescents, which was the same experience I had with a SEAL team who trained with us. It was my experience the SEAL team guys , on land during light Infantry training operations, were not even as impressive as some of the high speed active duty Infantry companies. But I'm certain in water they're phenomenal, given that's their specialty as frogmen. One SEAL team guy was an egotistical guy and tried bullying some of my guys by shoulder bumping them in passing every chance he got til one of us had enough and returned the favor, leading to a small scuffle with the SEAL team guy getting ranger choked. His team buddies seemed pretty chill but he was the one bad apple being a bully type personality. 5th group , 10th group and 7th group in my experience are highly professional guys. Their training, skills and knowledge acquisition is so far advanced above SEAL team frogmen it's incredible. If you know, you know. If you don't, you won't believe it. 1st SFOD-Delta are like Jedi masters and so incredible you wouldn't believe it til you see it. They're superhuman. Ranger Regiment guys compose most of Delta Force recruits and Rangers are incredible direct action fighters and are pro athletes. Tier 2 Seal teams are the best frogmen and best maritime operators. But on dry land far from impressive.
@Threaldaveoss
@Threaldaveoss Ай бұрын
For all their skills and proficiency with firearms. It's not what makes the Deltas so scary.. It's using the weapon between their ears that make them so scary and effective. Only reason they didn't get Bin Laden was because they told the spooks to fuck off when they wouldn't give them enough info on the target package.
@kentgrady9226
@kentgrady9226 Ай бұрын
- I have never served in a SOF unit, therefore whatever knowledge I may have, is limited, and/or strictly academic, and/or based on conversations I have had with members of the larger SOF community. Therefore, I humbly acknowledge that my opinion is that of a layman, and might be dead wrong. Please be kind when correcting me or disagreeing with me. - My observation of special operators, is that they are all broadly cut from the same cloth. It takes a special kind of person to do any of these jobs, and they all require traits that are largely common to members of the Special Operations community, regardless of branch of service, unit, or specific job. - I absolutely agree that units are misused for purposes outside of their original designed intent. This has little or nothing to do with the operators themselves. Generally, it is because someone with rank and influence wants to make a splash - or simply wants to deny success to a rival service branch, officer, or even a specific officer. I once heard a story about a senior Navy spec ops officer who used influence to secure a mission better suited to Army SF, because his Army counterpart had played dirty during an Army-Navy game twenty-five years previous. No idea whether that's true or not. But, it does reinforce the notion that none of us ever really grow up. - The Department of the Navy benefits from being by far the most independent of the military branches. Its reach is global, without the need to cooperate with other service branches. After all, the army needs ships and planes to get tanks overseas. The Air Force needs troops on the ground to capture an airfield and secure it for operation. The Navy is self-contained. The Secretary of the Navy owns infantry and armor (Marines) to conduct an invasion, fighters and bombers to establish air superiority, surface ships to rule the waves, submarines to patrol the depths, a nuclear deterrent to make bad people behave, and special operators to kill terrorists and make mischief behind enemy lines. No other branch's reach is as comprehensive and far-reaching. That independence makes for an uncooperative partner. - The SEALs enjoy (to their detriment, IMO) a romantic aura with the general public. Blame Hollywood. Blame the media. Blame ex-SEALs who can't shut up about how awesome they are. I'm sure there's plenty to go around for whatever scapegoat you choose. For the record, mine is a Navy family. I do believe that the Department of the Navy on its own, with zero assistance from the rest of the Pentagon, is sufficient to most needs for the defense of American national interest. In other words, if I had to get rid of two of the three, the DoN is the only one I'm keeping. Furthermore, one of the smartest people I've ever met in any walk of life, is a retired thirty year SEAL. Bro is a legit genius. However, during a conversation I had with him, he acknowledged that the most impressive special operators he ever worked with, were not SEALs. In his opinion, that distinction actually goes to Air Force PJs and CCTs.
@ViolenceSolvesProblems
@ViolenceSolvesProblems Ай бұрын
I know one thing the seals cannot do. It’s keep their mouths shut. I think these guys now have writers and photographers in every team.
@djkullik4952
@djkullik4952 Ай бұрын
BS SEALS do keep their mouths shut. Phoney SEALS Blab all day. If you don't believe me I suggest you have a conversation with Senior Chief Don Shipley. Otherwise STFU. USN CTO
@Patriot4TheTree
@Patriot4TheTree Ай бұрын
I met a Scotsman S.A.S. gentleman once in a conference in Baltimore. He jumped into the Falklands when he was 18. The man was such a quiet, intelligent, empathetic, hunter, teacher. A true Renaissance man. This is how I've always thought of our Green Berets. Dudes that can solve world conflicts with conversations or put heads on pikes. Even Delta guys seem to be blowhards, like the SEALs. SF is our pinnacle of professionalism.
@NicholasCrothers-nd6lo
@NicholasCrothers-nd6lo Ай бұрын
No SAS jump into the Falkland
@Lurch150
@Lurch150 Ай бұрын
You represent your industry well. Don't be surprised if you get a call from Hollywood to make a movie about green berets, and maybe somewhere down the line, green berets will also be required to take classes in journalism.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Well that would be an honor consider both me and my dad were green berets, although I don’t know anything about producing movies lol.
@raymondjoseph7177
@raymondjoseph7177 Ай бұрын
I supported 7th SFG and Delta in Kandahar 2012. They didn't have great things to say about SEALS. Personally I can't say as I've never worked with them. The guys I worked with were awesome. Loved being around them, more then my unit. Treated like a human and not a number.
@Survivalsheath6
@Survivalsheath6 Ай бұрын
Of course we still haven’t covered the BEST people in the military…EOD techs.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
@@Survivalsheath6 fine, I’ll make it the top priority.
@joeylyons4549
@joeylyons4549 Ай бұрын
I tell you what too. Mike Ritland is a quality ex Seal too. Has a great channel on KZbin.
@chance3fire
@chance3fire Ай бұрын
Solid content always.. Do that Red Wings !!
@JPF-vq1bs
@JPF-vq1bs Ай бұрын
Really glad you were clear in delineating SEALs and DevGru.
@nelsonx4235
@nelsonx4235 Ай бұрын
I’ve read that green berets, when deployed, can be living with indigenous troops for months with little support from big army…do navy seals do that too?
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Yes, we did that very commonly in Afghanistan in VSO up until 2013. And no, we are the only unit that does that.
@KUP-n3k
@KUP-n3k Ай бұрын
Going to join the Green Beret in Melgar's honor. My next door neighbor was a SEAL and BUDS instructor and had a calm and collected demeanor, but the new SEALs have slandered their name.
@Fylgjumaðr
@Fylgjumaðr 3 күн бұрын
Agreed. My father was an old-school SEAL, and he was the same way. There were times he'd let loose and be wild around his buddies (who were also veterans from other branches), but never took it too far. He also didn't say much about his service, other than a few stories about how hard and crazy BUD/S was.
@Noh-n8p
@Noh-n8p Ай бұрын
You were right on. I and my grandson both were disillusioned with the teams. I gutted it out for 24 yrs, he bailed after 12.
@cbeaudry4646
@cbeaudry4646 Ай бұрын
A few people have mentioned that the SEALs took Red Wings from Marine Recon (ifk if that's true), but i haven't heard anyone speculate if it would have went down like that if it was 4 of them instead Might he interesting to hear if you do a full video on it
@JGould-uu4kb
@JGould-uu4kb Ай бұрын
That's true, at least based on various sources I've read over the years. Marine Recon planned the full mission. It was meant to be a 12-man operation (note: Force Recon normally operates in 4-6 man teams) with a different means of insert (I've heard MFF) and longer movement on foot to target, including having heavier firepower (machine guns, etc.) at their disposal. The Marines understood how volatile the area was and how risky this operation would be --so basically they planned A-Z to mitigate the unfortunate situation that transpired with Red Wings. Recon presented the operation to SOCOM (and I've read DEVGRU was approached as well, but don't know in what capacity--perhaps as the assault element), which also included asking for aviation assets from the 160th, etc. SOCOM was not interested as they didn't feel the HVT at the time (whatever his name is) was worth it. When it finally was assigned, it was given to NSW (SEALs). They changed the Marines' mission plan to their liking--which has obviously puzzled many people. Personally, they should have simply let Marine Recon handle the operation. They planned it. It was a land-based deep/special reconnaissance mission in their wheelhouse of expertise. Any mystery as to why so many in Recon have jumped ship to other SOCOM units like SF? That's why. ***Side note: To be honest, I'm naturally biased towards Marines, but love all the SpecOps dudes. There are many Marines in my family, and my brother-in-law was an Air Force CCT. But that said, I'm a little disgusted at those on this thread sh*tting on the SEALs (especially all the Ranger sycophants)--or those looking for reasons to reinforce their biases against the SEALs--especially with the Red Wings operation. Yes, it would appear they f'd up the mission. Yes, they have had their issues lately. However, in addition to arguably the most gruelling training in the U.S. military (and the world), they also have a long history of valor and proficiency in some of the riskiest combat operations in U.S. history. I just think we should look at the complete "body of work" of an organization's history instead of defining it by a few bad apples or even failed operations. The "blueprint" for NSW to regain their proficiency is to follow their reasons for being created in the first place at the outset of Vietnam--to be the premier maritime special operations component of the U.S. military. USASOC, MARSOC, & AFSOC would focus more on land-based special operations commensurate with the capabilities of each branch.
@bryancenterfitt7127
@bryancenterfitt7127 Ай бұрын
I think in this video, it would make sense to mention how closely SEAL units and SWICC units work together. They tend to train hand in hand with those teams.
@dalehenry4694
@dalehenry4694 Ай бұрын
You picked some cool seals, Shawn,Chad and DJ are very good, another not Shawn Ryan show is the best Podcast 🇺🇲
@iannicholls796
@iannicholls796 Ай бұрын
Had a cousin from the UK who was a former SBS (Special Boat Service) operative. Complete professional and was not highly impressed with the 2 seal teams. He cross trained with and got to know in Afghanistan/Iraq deployments.
@DeathBlossom867
@DeathBlossom867 Ай бұрын
Don't forget the SEALs' lackluster performance in VSO when they took over SOTF-SE/Uruzgan from the SF.
@handled99
@handled99 Ай бұрын
Random SWAT guy here, I enjoy your podcasts.
@markdougherty8933
@markdougherty8933 Ай бұрын
Start a channel when you retire! I'm prior service Army Infantry and would LOVE insight into the daily life of SWAT
@handled99
@handled99 Ай бұрын
@@markdougherty8933 8 years in, 20+ years to go 🤣. Maybe you'll see a podcast in 2049.
@markdougherty8933
@markdougherty8933 Ай бұрын
@@handled99 sounds good I'll check back in a decade or two 😂. Be safe out there brotha
@alessiomarin1218
@alessiomarin1218 Ай бұрын
This is actually quite an intelligent analysis bro, for example mentioning the difference in age between SEALs and Green Berets (26 and 33, respectively) and how that pertains to maturity as a person.
@p1xelshooter287
@p1xelshooter287 Ай бұрын
aye new set up is hella clean bro
@Mr.BillMikesson
@Mr.BillMikesson Ай бұрын
They were definitely in Afghanistan in 2014. I’d see them in the defac all the time, in their cut off combat shirts looking clean and rested. We were lucky enough to get to do several missions with SOF guys( route clearance/ outer security). Never saw the seals leave the compound.
@TedTurner-y6j
@TedTurner-y6j Ай бұрын
Now you're making the Seals sound totally inept. There's no way they could be that pathetic. My God they must have some fighting capabilities. I think the tide has turned the in opposite direction in the worst way. Where they were being too glorified now they are being unjustly vilified to the extreme.
@D91Mart
@D91Mart Ай бұрын
Yes! Do the Redwings video.
@shibby_travels
@shibby_travels Ай бұрын
Can you do a video about the Battle of Marawi? Mike Glover did one and I’m interested to hear your perspective. Marawi was the first time the Philippine military encountered urban warfare. Our military is more used to decades of jungle warfare.
@willbrink
@willbrink Ай бұрын
I tend to view ST6 more parallel to Delta, as they take the best of the SEAL teams who have been operational for some time, more similar to the SF or Ranger -> Delta pipeline. Not sure what the average age is of ST6 but they will be older and more experienced on average than team guys from other SEAL units. They also go through a lot of additional training.
@MikSF123
@MikSF123 Ай бұрын
Colin Powell was planning on disbanding Development Group in the early 90s but a key operation in Haiti which was successful prevented this from happening
@MaxEdge-pf3pp
@MaxEdge-pf3pp Ай бұрын
What if you're like in a really critical situation where you suddenly need to write a best-selling memoire?
@whereeaglesdare9584
@whereeaglesdare9584 Ай бұрын
Lmao
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Then they become the most useful.
@SoldierDrew
@SoldierDrew Ай бұрын
Task Force Publicist
@SpyderSuasponte
@SpyderSuasponte Ай бұрын
When I was going through Q and my officer training I was in for 16 months before I ever saw my first team as a CPT. I had language school, technical schools to better understand what my warriors know. I had been to HALO already and they sent me to Jump Master, also sent me to SCUBA.
@MichaelMiller-xj1ti
@MichaelMiller-xj1ti Ай бұрын
The last time I was this early the Raiders didn't have a badge.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
😂
@tatanovic27
@tatanovic27 Ай бұрын
Don't forget that in SF there were chest hitting cocky dudes too like Tim Kennedy Nice video btw
@JohnDoe-iq9bz
@JohnDoe-iq9bz Ай бұрын
But Tim is a Green Beret though.
@tatanovic27
@tatanovic27 Ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-iq9bz exactly
@magnusflysvik2421
@magnusflysvik2421 Ай бұрын
And he, from the grapevine I heard, is oft called a "tool" and some other things that might imply many did not favor him.
@SoldierDrew
@SoldierDrew Ай бұрын
​@@JohnDoe-iq9bz...S.F. Group are green berets.
@thelivingbranch
@thelivingbranch Ай бұрын
airborne all the way rangers lead the way - sf fight by night fight by day - oh what a hell of a way to die - hhoooooyyyyyaaaaaa airborne 83/84 - dad was a squid and i dont like sailors =hand to hand bar time
@stevengrumley-uo8je
@stevengrumley-uo8je Ай бұрын
Please do a video on Operation Red Wing. It needs to be done. Thanks Nate. Excellent as always. 🇺🇸
@Tducks72
@Tducks72 Ай бұрын
This hippie was on the Shawn Ryan show, guess he thought Shawn was dumb?
@AC_702
@AC_702 Ай бұрын
As a Marine, ive always had a huge amount of respect for Green Berets, and every single one ive run into or served with were absolutely amazing dudes, and didnt have attitudes about their work or who they were. I don't think anyone can argue with the point that in terms of capability, they are kinda one-dimensional. I even know SEALs who wont even argue that point
@johnmurdock5001
@johnmurdock5001 Ай бұрын
You need to read 'Not A Good Day To Die'. It's written by a Delta Force colonel. The seals, including devgru, were weighed, measured, and found to be lacking.
@royalusala8527
@royalusala8527 Ай бұрын
@@johnmurdock5001 Did he also write in what way Delta are lacking? Coz am sure Delta are not superheroes last time of checking....... Also, never believe a negative thing about what your direct rival says about you!
@sharwama992
@sharwama992 Ай бұрын
Cope
@sharwama992
@sharwama992 Ай бұрын
What did he say about DEVGRU
@kal5126
@kal5126 Ай бұрын
Sean Naylor was not a Delta Force colonel. There’s a lot of controversy surrounding the SEALS conduct in operation anaconda, too many to name here, but there was a small Devgru recon element that took out a well placed machine gun nest overlooking the shah I kot valley that would have resulted in mass casualties that would have ended the mission before it began.
@LucianPrimeOneMillion
@LucianPrimeOneMillion 26 күн бұрын
When I was watching The Unit way back in 2006 it looked like those guys got into all kinds of things, water stuff aswell. Seasls do special missions aswell but not as indepth as the airborne rangers(Delta force) and selection for the Rangers looked far worse than BUDS. Tougher
@mattwatts4672
@mattwatts4672 Ай бұрын
SEALS SEETHING RN
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
😦😩
@stevanojv6421
@stevanojv6421 Ай бұрын
@@ValhallaVFTfreak ass reply
@garyspiers2917
@garyspiers2917 Ай бұрын
Very clear and concise. Do a segment on Operation Red Wing. Great pod cast.
@stephanarizona9094
@stephanarizona9094 Ай бұрын
When you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
@ThroatGoatNancy
@ThroatGoatNancy Ай бұрын
This reminded me of Jeremy Clarkson immediately haha.
@m-jay356
@m-jay356 Ай бұрын
Excellent breakdown...you got a new subscriber here
@HAMMERTIMEBB
@HAMMERTIMEBB Ай бұрын
Whats your opinion on MARSOC in this regards. I hear a lot of shit from keyboard commandos but all the dudes on podcasts have mostly positive shit to say about em.
@ValhallaVFT
@ValhallaVFT Ай бұрын
Never had a negative interaction. Had quite a few former Force recon and Marsoc dudes on my teams in SF actually and they were all the best dudes I ever worked with. I am highly favorable to marines in general.
@jackickes880
@jackickes880 Ай бұрын
If you end up doing a full video on Red Wings you should include Whaler which was the follow on operation to accomplish what red wings was supposed to. There's an excellent book about both which is 10% USMC propaganda. (and I'm always down for for that)
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