Are PhD students in India any different from of USA? -Prof. Mausam, CSE, IIT-Delhi

Prof. Mausam of IIT-Delhi gave a talk on AI and it's applications to non-experts on the Living Science platform. The talk was followed by QnA and here is one short clip from that session.

[@arindamsharma1520]

Having graduated from IISER Pune, I perfectly understand what he is saying and completely agree with him. Indian students are taught how to solve problems, but not how to ask questions. In research, the latter is far more important.

[@pritam._]

I'm also a student at IISER Pune right now, and I do agree that not being taught how to ask questions is plaguing a lot of Indian universities, but I believe there are exceptions to that. Namely, the IIXs (Indian Institutes). Undergraduate education at IIXs is very rigorous and has ample focus on asking questions. Having graduated from an IISER yourself you must be aware of the system of semester projects that IISER Pune has. You can credit a semester long project from a department of your choice where you can do actual "research" and that will count towards your total credit requirement for graduating successfully. This is a very novel system which (I believe) is limited to IISER Pune only (correct me if I'm wrong). There is also a lot of competition for research internships starting from the 1st year itself. I'm presently crediting a course which requires me to read actual research papers and make a presentation in class while collaborating with another classmate, we are also going to do a project in the said course as well. Other courses require us to push ourselves and write proofs ourselves, this is most certainly difficult but also very rewarding. In addition to this, I can confidently say that my peers are most definitely asking questions aplenty. Some of my batchmates also have publications in first year itself! Ofcourse one might argue, how much actual research happens in the said semester projects but I don't think the university can help in this regard. The amount of research happening depends on individual efforts.

[@HarshRajAlwaysfree]

its the system which forces us to be obedient or get crushed we don't like it either if i studied a chapter really well, and the other student learned the formulas of 3 chapters in the same time i will barely pass the exam but the other guy will probably top the semester. that's how the system keeps churning out the students with least innovation while crushing the curious ones. all the stupid stuffs like assignments eats away our time, the exams eat away our will to study sincerely, and mandatory attendance eats away our freedom of choice thus our students are garbage. blaming the students is totally wrong its the professors and directors who are refusing to adapt and innovate

[@lavivaswani8611]

Sir how to take admission in IISER 🙏🏽

[@Schrodingerkabilla]

Lots of love and best wishes IISERITES

[@harshitbutani5794]

I'd thought the scenario in IISERs was better. Is it not? I am an IISER aspirant.

[@yuurishibuya4797]

As a teaching assistant this is what I saw, Indians wanted solutions when it got hard, Americans wanted to be left alone with the problem.

[@shantanudeodhar398]

Maybe for master/professional courses. For PHD students I am pretty sure that trait is uniformly distributed amoung all students and not high in certain subset

[@ananthakrishnan4754]

@shantanudeodhar398 It is Not true; the difference in the quality of Indian students compared to US and Western students, especially in research, is quite massive. The basic understanding of the research process or the research method is substantially poor among Indian students.

[@gametabulas]

Phd/doctorate is purely research, and in order to do research you need students with innovative mind and free open environment. In india we dont have innovation simply because we never cared. We trained throughout our life to clear an exam whether its JEE,CAT,UPSC,GATE, etc. I was a good student and did alot of trainings, attended lot of workshops, made complex projects, took interdisciplinary classes/workshops yet couldnot make it in IIT for my masters (Mtech) simply because they judge purely on 1 exam. The whole selection procedure focuses on students who could clear '1 exam' thats it. Ive seen students who never worked on their subjects, never attended conferences, never attended workshops, had their projects made by those commercial project shops, simply because they were busy attending GATE coaching classes all day (even if it means skipping college) and got themselves placed in IITs because of faulty selection procedure which care about just 1 exam. IITs were suppose to be a place for innovative minds & not for people who enters just to get campus placement or jobs. That been said i am fedup by indian education system. I might do my phd abroad (even if it means doing it in other 'low tier' asian countries, learning their language, and helping them as much as i can in the field of R&D because they dont judge students by 1 exam). Whats the point of having a strong CV when youre not even considered because you couldnt 'crack' an exam, or score extremely well.

[@sutopapatra960]

Everything put aside Are you Naruto fan?

[@gametabulas]

@@sutopapatra960 Big fan. Use to watch it in high school and college. I am an anime fan in general. I use to hide the fact as i was a buff dude and people at gym use to make fun of otakus but that was when i was in 1st 2nd year of UG college. I love anime/ video games.

[@sutopapatra960]

@@gametabulas I am also in 2nd year college ug. I am a die-heart fan of anime and I am not ashamed of it. At least I have something to enjoy in my single life unlike my idiot friends who give tiktok WhatsApp status😂

[@gametabulas]

@@sutopapatra960 Its awesome mate. I wish i was that mature back then, i had a traumatic childhood so i used to seek validation but its long time ago. Anyway i hope youre doing great and achieve your dreams. College days are awesome you'll miss your UG days.

[@suhm95]

Yes you are correct. If you do well in a particular exam you are considered to be a demi-god, society treats you with utmost respect and that is somewhat fine ,but what is worrying is if you fail to crack the exam you will be considered a failure no matter how good are you in your subjects.

[@anandsharma7430]

India loves to control children, kill creativity, force specific ambitions on them, train them in fearing authority and tradition. This affects how much a person can think out of the box throughout their life. Interdisciplinary thinking and questioning is not encouraged. Group discussions of a free flowing nature are not encouraged. Due to our limited resources and cut throat socio-economic competition, we have a competition culture rather than a collaboration culture. Also, no resources, labs and even toys. There's always a rush and haste to do the prescribed thing. Innovation does not come from such a system, only managers and executives with an unhealthy, selfish, short term view of things. If everyone with power in academia was mandated to study and score well in child and teen psychology before getting their jobs, we would do a much better job of teaching our students.

[@wazehakhan8139]

This level of respect is only killing student's career. This level of respect is responsible for treating student as their slaves. We guys should raise our voices and end this slavery system of education which eventually kills the soul of a research scholar.

[@anusuyabhattacharyya9580]

Certainly authoritarianism does not sit well with the freedom required for research. But as the speaker mentioned, quality of student and their prior exposure to the field is important. If that training is missing, raising voices against your perceived *slavery* will not help you do wonderful work, it will only impede the guide from shooting down your worthless ideas as you gain the knowledge and perspective that he already has.... thus prolonging your research.

[@meharjeetsingh5256]

As an international student I can second about the linearity of thinking among Indian students. I really feel that presentations and team projects play an irreplaceable role in the overall education.

[@vijaydubey3568]

What the hell is expected when Indian Institutes place so much importance on examinations as a gateway for entry. Make it more holistic and see the Indian students would adapt as well.

[@abhishek001ghosh]

He missed the most important point. Foreign PhD students work in collaboration. But an Indian PhD student is working completely on his own. So what is the big deal? The deal is that when u work in collaboration, your paper gets away easily in a top tier journal without much hindrance. Also, the real contribution of a student in that scenario is a fraction of the total work amongst collaborators. That is how academia works (which these professors won't blatantly admit). Indian PhD students are actually well trained but the disasters are caused by the supervisors themselves. Some of his points are bullshit. Even in the US, u don't question the supervisor after a certain extent. What he said is not the actual scenario. For your kind information, the so-called IItians are not amongst the best top students in the world. It is a feeling we like to show off as an Indian and think that cracking a JEE exam makes u a good researcher. This is complete nonsense. There are many good researchers from other colleges as well. Just google it u will get their names. I have seen several faculty interviews in IITs .So what is the reality about the interviews? Indians doing their PhD in foreign universities come with outstanding publications (specifically because of their collaboration), but when questioned single-handedly about the depths of their research, they are completely blank in that area. But still, they will be hired because they have a recommendation from big faculties or they have IIT background attached to them despite they are bad researchers. This sort of biased mentality is completely visible in the real world. So stop pretending. These faculties, themselves need approval from the US to show that they are actually good researchers. Just go to IIT Kanpur and IISC Bangalore to see the number of quality researchers there . The only hindrance to them is the lack of proper opportunities, that's all.

[@abhishek001ghosh]

@6iveksah yup l am a research scholar

[@abhishek001ghosh]

@6iveksah in a US University

[@abhishek001ghosh]

What about you?

[@abhishek001ghosh]

@6iveksah actually u know best thing u can do before going to a particular lab is to properly investigate about it by mailing the lab students. These videos only give u five percent of the picture. But lndian reserchers are equally good .Ranking is not always the parameter , believe me.

[@abhishek001ghosh]

@6iveksah IISC Bangalore and IIT Kanpur are equally good in research , difference lies in the mentality of the lndian people including these lndian faculties . U do get my point l believe.

[@paulhowrang]

Not to mention, there is a huge difference between Profs at US Universities and at Indian universities event at IITs, I can say this because I have studied at two IITs including IIT-D, and have worked with Profs at CMU, UCB etc.

[@sidhhartkumar1306]

Sir , congratulations.

[@phoenixofharvard5770]

@Sharad Chandra this the problem he went to iit you treat him like a God there are other people that might have a greater intellect but are at some low ranking university

[@justalazyguy.0_0]

@@phoenixofharvard5770 well as sir said its a kind of cultural thing i guess to respect someone with greater post but it sometimes in case most of the time people forget they can be wrong As i see student who passed iit which i am preparing for and i find it difficult for obvious reason when i see someone who cleared the exam i generally feel like respecting them But again i don't think they're god or something and they might be asshole who didn't deserve respect but yeah i think I will only know about it by spending time with them

[@hacker_sukzz]

@@phoenixofharvard5770 cuz you have to work hard, good brains doesn't mean high intellectuality but good knowledge refers to; that wil take you to high ranks

[@PHARMATIMESOFFICIAL]

Take correct decisions before taking admission...Ph.D is different from all other courses..I learn this truth after completion of 1 year in Ph.D. I have shared some some good ideas to my students. All the best

[@PHARMATIMESOFFICIAL]

@Redchill 00 it's same like marriage🤩

[@akashgupta-bw5vo]

Doing phd in india is just a degree but in usa phd is actually phd ..no comparison at all

[@souvikchatterjee5105]

Absolutely. Indian education system is quite bad .

[@sachinmishra3647]

Well said, mtlb kuch bhi bol do kya fark padta h

[@DheerajKumar-qv4gl]

That's not absolutely true dear.

[@wecare838]

Kinda agree but still gross generalisation will not be the correct picture.

[@Maveric72]

Wah. When people write statments like PhD is actually PhD then phir uske aagey ab behes karne ka fayda nai hai.

[@AmitKumar-he3dl]

Maybe he is absolutely, right.

[@SumonAdakpbx]

Hypothetically practical eh

[@bleh.6485]

@@SumonAdakpbx 😂

[@alinjardan8501]

It is outstanding how Prof. Mausam here emphasized the fact that the PhD student should think of his/her advisor as a peer. Unfortunately, that is not taken well by professors largely here in India even in IIT Delhi.

[@gaurishankarh9027]

Indian Institutes are great at creating a large pool of good employees and whereas Universities abroad create more creators and thinkers instead of well trained to be skilled workers

[@ramaniit]

Of all things this guy said, 3:50 makes sense. Students don't question Profs in India. If anyone does ask the question, Prof. ensures to f**k up his career. It happened to me. :) Edit based on the comments here: Interesting to see that I am not alone in this club! Someone requested a backend story: I will share mine. Others while sharing, please do not refer to any name of the Prof. I do not want the moderators removing this post :) This is not any sad story or a journey that every Ph.D. student will face. Only a few lucky ones like me get this opportunity to enjoy these life experiences. I was an above-average (non-Ph.D) student in India, and I did reasonably well in my education. My adviser liked the enthu in me, and asked to join his lab for the Ph.D. I blatantly said NO and questioned why he insisted me to join the Ph.D. program with him. From that point, my life in the lab went down south :). Since that incident, I was like a ghost in the lab, and the Prof. seemed to behave as if I didn't exist. There were no more meetings to discuss the progress, and I was more like "Conference Zombie". Didn't know what to do:). Nevertheless, I applied for the Ph.D. programs in other universities and got rejected from all except one :). I was happy to get at least one offer and decided to wrap up the work in the lab with a Thesis on my research. Here comes the next blow from the Indian adviser. He asked me to reject the Ph.D. offer as he didn't have time to read my thesis, and also went one step ahead to contact my future Ph.D. adviser on why I could not graduate and had to defer the admission. I had given him 6 months to read my thesis! I reached out to a few other profs explaining this unfair treatment, and even though one of them supported me and tried their best to convince my adviser to let me graduate, sadly, it was of no use! I just accepted the reality. In due course of time, I reapplied for the Ph.D. program, and I got an offer. I learned from the past and hence never told the Indian adviser about my admission. I did not even request his recommendation letter. I defended the thesis, got the degree, and then told him about my admission:). Finally, I joined the new lab for my Ph.D., and life was peaceful. Here comes the next blow from the Indian Prof. ! He went behind my back to bad-mouth me to my Ph.D. adviser. I did foresee this happening, and hence as a precaution, I had shared my story with the Ph.D. professor to control any damage situations. Presently, I am doing well in my new lab, and looking back in time, I feel it was all fun. I might have done something really bad to irritate the Indian Prof or maybe some Profs cant hear a no as an answer.. hahaha

[@mohitpnjb]

Questioned my guide. Spolied my 2.5 years.

[@gopaljha9279]

Sad brother

[@josheversmann1376]

Me too

[@utkarshpathak179]

What happened exactly? Like you asked a doubt or something ?

[@sohamsahu7641]

Rightly said, here the teachers in India are a bunch of tyrannical disasters

[@anshumansahu1087]

Although I am not a PhD, i have interned for two years in research after my masters and a PhD hopeful abroad. The PhD students here work in a rigid method where they follow the workflow of a scientific publication and continue to to replicate the paper by altering the input samples. The only objective is to publish papers and the discussions mostly revolve around the number of papers published in a year. Most of the coauthors are ghost authors who have rarely contributed to the paper. You are basically a good student if you have more publications but the quality of the publications is grossly undermined. There is hardly any breakthrough publication from India in the recent memory. Good quality publications from journals like cell press, science, nature from India is like a drop of water in the desert. Even after PhD, students can hardly frame a project for applying for grants at various central agencies. Thisis very appalling. The difference between mid tier varsities from India and EU or US is huge in terms of research output. This is heart breaking.

[@anusuyabhattacharyya9580]

Sounds very harsh! We need to realize that often (as the speaker mentioned) the lack of resources is a concern. Research funding in top tier university is an order of magnitude higher. I think Indians are doing well given this constraint. It will of course vary lab to lab.

[@anshumansahu1087]

@@anusuyabhattacharyya9580 Yes one thing I can say for sure is that I can now publish a respectable paper with just a PCR machine. Probably is is because of the reason you just mentioned. However, it may also have its own drawbacks. Resource limited settings often chains our ideas to resource limited paper and within no time our minds become conditioned to that ilk. It may sometimes backfire as well. Suddenly we don't know what to do if we have a genome sequencer, a cell sorter or a HPC for example. Even with such resources suddenly we will come up with papers which are resource limited because our minds have already been programmed. You can see many papers published by indian authors with highthroughput experiments but in low quality journals. It may be the outcome of that conditioning.

[@anusuyabhattacharyya9580]

@@anshumansahu1087 Totally agree with you!!!!

[@ayushpandey8223]

@@anusuyabhattacharyya9580 I agree with you partially(mostly because i do not know anything about fields other than CS in general). CS research is typically not limited by funding. But still, I find students and colleagues here have a broader and more definitive grasp on the subject matter. I think a big fault of this is also from the fact the professors in india do not care about students a lot whereas the professors i have had in Germany and now in France have always treated us much better. This mental game changes the thought process that Indian students apply for any subject/topic. I also feel that a lot of the PhDs end up with high paying jobs(mostly accompanied with vanity) and then blame the system which is why i made a decision before i started my PhD. Once i am done, i will teach in India. If i am not ready to put in the effort to uplift the student community, i cannot expect them to stay afloat.

[@sayanbhattacharya2845]

In usa people who are actually good in studies go in phd and in India mostly average-below average students who fail to secure a decent job after masters, go for phd.

[@myvocaldiary6248]

y'all should learn to respect the phd students bruh, this is not right at all. That's not the case tbh, a lot of people have passion to go to research field.

[@rudrajeet814]

What can one expect sayan wrote exactly like a 3rd world shit hole.. Who doesn't understand what phD He thinka phd is course based like masters or bachelors. Pathetic to see this

[@Codetutor-DemystifyCoding]

My brother is doing PhD in Toxicology at one of the tier two University. Major problem he faces is - lack of funds and infrastructure. Even one gram of chemicals costs thousands of rupees and university department doesn't have the funds to purchase it. He is purchasing it out of his personal money. He needs a sectioning machine. It's there but doesn't always work properly. New one is not being baught, and existing one is such a precious resource and various other departments and research scholers are competing with one another to grab it for their thesis work alone. They are dreading the day the machine will stop working. How can you expect a quality research to come out of this kind of situation. This is situation in what is considered as one of the top State University, I don't want to imagine what might be the situation in some of the other universities with far lesser reputation.

[@NTHina]

That's why Indian excellent students go to the US, Germany, Russia for research ph.D work because they invest more financial support to scholars as compared to Indian fellowship. Hopefully, our Indian education sector/research field sector will improve in the future 😓😓😓 Poor students are not able to effort to go outside the county for research work. The unemployment rate exponentially increases day by day😓😓 I would like to request the ministry of education govt. of India to please more focus on the research field and support research scholars financially much as possible ## #Jai Hind🇮🇳 🇮🇳 #Jai Bharat Mata ki jai 🇮🇳 🇮🇳

[@AnkhArcRod]

That is entirely untrue. Most US universities don't pay all that much and Indian government scholarships are very lucrative in comparison. Unemployment is not growing exponentially in India. Having said that, the tech jobs in India for Indian PhDs are in great shortage. More startups and tech initiatives + foreign investment in fabs and manufacturing will make things better. Things are improving a lot in India in this department and its effect will start permeating in a few years.

[@jackyjack9660]

@@AnkhArcRod false...

[@AnkhArcRod]

@@jackyjack9660 Care to elaborate?

[@yuurishibuya4797]

In India, Students aim is to get 1st rank, top x ranks by hook or crook, spending hours in tuition etc. In USA, non Asian students’ aim is to understand the problem and solve it by themselves.

[@houiinkyouma8387]

I don't think you're right....getting 1st rank exams after student can't come by hook or crook...you must understand the problem to solve it first

[@yuurishibuya4797]

@@houiinkyouma8387 dude, you missed the point, “I said aim to get top ranks” and not students who got top ranks. Major chunk of student population is interested doing something to secure a job. Not passionate about the subjects they are learning. Hence, when they join jobs, companies like infosys, tcs, etc create a year long paid training programs after 4 years of engineering. Do you think Apple in USA will hire and hold training?

[@houiinkyouma8387]

@@yuurishibuya4797 yes you are right but my point is not only about 1st rank....getting a good college and a good branch itself requires good grasp of concept,one can't memorize everything..that is what I'm saying...But I know you are correct.... I'm sorry I was at wrong there....but you know I protested because I personally don't just aim at getting good rank...I want a good rank but I read the subject and its concepts thoroughly....I mean I understand what I write...and my aim is to get a good college with the branch of my interest...and my interest lies in electrical engineering and I also want to get a look at AI ...it seems an interesting concept..I guess I'll come to know more when I'm in college.

[@houiinkyouma8387]

@@yuurishibuya4797 I didn't spend my last two years reading all day but I am pretty confident that I have understood the chapters and topics that I went through which my concentration....there are topics which I have not even touched--most of it is organic chem and inorganic chemistry...I am suffering now😅...I'm trying to finish organic chemistry now....and few of physics parts are also left like the optics

[@houiinkyouma8387]

@@yuurishibuya4797 btw are you a student too?

[@shrav1012]

I don't know in which ranking Washington University comes within top 5 or IIT-D within top 50 but it is rather stupid to talk about the quality of PhD students based on the institutes they are in. Top US universities are of course VERY selective but a PhD is not about the reputation of the institute but the person working. It is about getting a good advisor in any university working on your area of interest and there are advantages to being in a top tier university but it comes much later.We should stop glorifying university ranking when it comes to a PhD, 90% of your PhD experience depends on your advisor and group.

[@MrTolykozin]

I wish india would adopt the good things from the west instead of constantly thinking they are better than everyone else. PhD courses are meant to pick the best students in terms of innovative thinking and strategizing. The entire system of rote learning needs to be dismantled from a very young age and problem solving should be the main focus of schools and colleges

[@anshulsuri5619]

I highly agree on that. India for some reasons has translated research as work of class B engineers. The same can be seen in pay scale of researchers in government facilities and thus a lower motivation for class A engineers and scientists. (Classes A and B are generally a result of tier based college system, and it doesn't mean that tier 2 college graduate can't be better than tier 1 graduate, it's the pier group that mainly helps a student to set goal and feel how realistic they are for them, and in India tier 1 college students are looking for jobs salarying above 20lpa atleast, while tier 2 and 3 are the ones grying make sense of their subjects and are happy to settle for 12 lpa after extra 7-8 years of grad school India)

[@SaiPrabanjan]

Sorry to disagree with you sir, but in the past three to four years the situation is changing in the ground level at least in universities like IIIT-Hyderabad, IIT-Bombay, IIT-Kanpur, IISc-Bangalore, ISI-Kolkata, ISI-Bangalore, IIT-Mandi, in all departments because of the investment by the government and also by people as a society.

[@phoenixofharvard5770]

@ no one likes it

[@BlackSakura33]

The truth is that any outlier in the indian society are taken down very early. And then we complain about low quality students. And here are these people who "ask their students to call them by their first name" and make their students life hell as soon as they get a hint criticism of "their big ideas".

[@Anna_Swamy_Nageshwar]

In india people want to do what teacher says and we never question, it is not in our culture.

[@gopaljha9279]

I questioned but was scoulded . Thanks to the Indian education system

[@yograjbir9993]

it was not in our culture but was imposed on us by britishers because they want slave who would whatever their masters say without questioning why... In ancient india, Questioning was more important in education as it enable one's intellect to tackle difficult problems..

[@adityaagarwal76]

There is a difference between questioning the knowledge of the teacher and having doubts in the course content No need to get emotional over everything

[@jackyjack9660]

@@yograjbir9993 so you're saying we are still a fool to actually follow those rules till now... Good 👍

[@gammoron]

livescience clips, i would request you to make playlists for individual speakers. Or upload the whole interviews as one video as well. It would be easier to watch the whole thing. Thank you.

[@Comikz1]

University of Washington rank itself is 68, forget about IITD

[@suyashsrivastava9582]

In computer science, University of Washington ranks in top 7 in the world.

[@happyd6145]

SAMBALPUR UNIVERSITY IS IN RANK 3

[@Sayad_Nasim]

@@happyd6145 🤣🤣🤣

[@wecare838]

"For the hard sciences there is lack of funds all the time. Even which were promised get stuck for some minor reasons. Because funding process is so centrally controlled, there is lot of inefficiency. Lack of reasearch interest from the industries is also there. While the funding is already constrained, a part of that small amount too is sometimes recieved by bogus projects with no real scientific value. Like if cow urine contains gold or some supposed scietific value of any ancient practices without any rigour. In contranst you would never see equivalent American Universities spending their money on whether cross have healing powers or something like that. We have to decide whether we are up for the scientific rigour or not."

[@abhisekhpradhan5558]

Informative....but we want the complete insight about doing PhD abroad

[@lopamudraray4571]

Couldn't agree more. Huge gap lies in general streams vs the corporate india.

[@pratyushabehera9367]

She is Dr Sarita alhawat

[@tanujsaaraswat7810]

Having studied and lived in the US for many, many years this appears to be completely true. I disagree with one thing, even in the case of comparably ranked Universities, in a US University independent thinking is promoted much more and the standard of students is better

[@b2c205]

This is solely my opinion, some fields do really depend on university because of the ecosystem and things to carry out research, proper funding, industrial bodies supervision. But there are few fields like computers science which university place no roles, you can get infra anywhere on the plantet to carryout certain things, get research journals, tools and what not at the expense of one click away. It is all possible because of Internet and real good people who dont want to play capitalism :) also GNU inspired in some way.

[@atwarroyal8770]

Most engineer/medical students goal in india is good job/buismess/private clinic and not research.

[@rakshamsharma8934]

Call by first name ! , my teacher would throw me out after that…

[@vidurraj7108]

Such an honest analysis!

[@mohdyaqubkhan]

I am doing a Ph.D. in Taiwan after having five years of experience in the industry in India But I have many friends who are doing Ph.D. in India and from my personal experience I have found doing a Ph.D. in India is far better than here in every aspect!

[@somethingsomething2825]

unko pata laga toh bhaga denge waha se

[@ananyasharma1754]

How

[@piyalidutta6462]

great sir

[@anirbanghosh7987]

as a person who have graduated from IIR KGP, stanford and wharton i can say that that i learned 0 from all this elite institution. But i have learnt a lot from my 2 school teacher(who were by far much much better from all these super well known profs.) and i am grateful to them.

[@vishakhashahane4818]

This attitude first should be showed by faculty only then it can be inculcated in students. I have never seen this peer attitude ever amongst research guides in India

[@nuranichandra2177]

Univ of Washington is not even in top 50 and IIT Delhi probably in top 500. He is sugar coating the real differences that are a lot bitter.

[@DamanArora1209]

Look at ranks in Engineering only. Not overall ranks.

[@nuranichandra2177]

Even in engineering it is not ranked in top 20. Now don’t tell us to look under Industrial Engineering

[@bodaddy6771]

this is where china beats india , you see usa is number 1 not because people over there are so smart , its number one coz they suck in all the good people from around the world and put massive barriers otherwise ..let me explain this with an example , i work for a us based firm which does analytics work, the position i m in pays very good salary its about 35 lpa now the same position in US with the same firm pays 250000 USD per annum adjusting this with cost of living if i were in US i would save a lot, many of my friends who joined the firm in india after working here for 3-4 years applied for similar positions in similar organisations based out of US/UK/Canada and moved out when i asked why they did what they did they gave me two prominent reasons first is of course the extra money second is the standard of living , my immediate counter question is then why dont you work here and make india better to which they generally have no response. Govt invests lakhs ( apart from the fee one pays ) into a student who is in IIT/IIM/NIT etc but what happens after these people graduate ? they get impressive offers from US firms and they move out so we are losing people who innovate and make companies worth billions and us is gaining them ...the positive side is of course with indians moving out there is soft power but if that good enough ?if only those indians had not moved to US we in india would have made companies like Microsoft , tesla or google ...look at china and chinese students ( i know an overwhelming majority of them are sons and daughters of CCP officials but still) they always come back and then they innovate and make billions helping their nation grow...all we are importing is illegal Bangladeshis who only increase the burden on the govt and losing great minds who rarely come back.

[@ishanharshvardhan6687]

bro ur comment made no sense....this looks like an and by millennial or an older gen....well peeps born from 2000 and above are part of the globalized generation where borders are porus.....the reason y smart indians leave is because indian society is structured to suffocate them if they don't and smart people have good foresight and now that the youth can see that the fight is not worth it...it really makes no sense to live...take for example the case happening in karnataka where dumb people r discussing about uniforms while in USA hijabs have been accepted and people have moved on from this....tday in India litrelly govt is debating something which is accepted everywhere....such nonsense doesn't go unnoticed and people take cues....if India wants to retain its people then it needs to show that is it even ready to absorb them....in the current state India dosnet even have enough jobs and the all the govt does is blame nehru....its disappointing and appalling...not worth a bit....India needs to elect smart people first then it can have its smart people otherwise entire globe is waiting for smart people

[@daidipyaa]

@@ishanharshvardhan6687 yeah same,I don't blame smart people to leave India to settle abroad,because tbh their worth is not realised by Indians,at the end of the day,the people will still ask them the package they got instead of the knowledge they have or the amount of happiness they get. They just don't care about research AT ALL.

[@ishanharshvardhan6687]

@@daidipyaa yup...the day they start debating real issues on TV is when brain drain will stop

[@chiragdalwani4422]

The quality students get into IIT's for btech and then go to us for their masters and PhD

[@spectrum1909]

Really? Most of them don't consider phd as an option because if you choose phd as an option you are literally choosing a path where you are compromising with money you could earn a lot in those 5 years in software or it sector etc. Besides between phd and 12th there are 5 years people often find new perspectives in those years so "quality" people crack iit then go to us is a narrow way of thinking impo. We have quality and diligent students what we don't have enough funding and proper infrastructure, simply in india choosing phd as a career means choosing a path of uncertainty because not many vacancies are there in academic positions and having a phd doesn't guarantee your employment you are basically unemployed at the age of 30.

[@chiragdalwani4422]

@@spectrum1909 I will study electrical engineering at IITB and then do my MS at MIT/Harvard

[@spectrum1909]

@@chiragdalwani4422 That's cool, all the best 👍

[@Hey-ys1fk]

@@chiragdalwani4422 no masters course for non MIT students in cs/electrical

[@chiragdalwani4422]

@@Hey-ys1fk Ill go for a PhD directly

[@nfazal4065]

U of Washington is not the top university in the United States of America. Prof.Dr Nasir Fazal Cambridge USA 🇺🇸

[@trinaguha8223]

The Innovative ideas donot come in a flash. So students must be trained from the school education that how to think? Why? To elevate the Indian Higher education, school education must be innovative, curriculum must be changed, philosophy is the subject which helps the learner to think in a more innovative way. And in our country India philosophy has a very less importance.

[@emmanuelameyaw9735]

😂😂😂...do you find any difference between Harvard and IIT. I heard a lot of MIT students are coming to IIT.😂

[@SwapravaNath]

The summary: your problem is in the denominator.

[@029nidhikumari8]

Yes sir u r right

[@tanmoymanna4832]

Ap ek kam ki jiye , exam abolish koriye pahele, 100 percent practicality pe dhyan de. Bro I am studying atleast 15years , go universities but every nook and corner you must have to memorize. Except memorization there is no scope of implementation of individual talent!

[@SumonAdakpbx]

Hypothetically practical

[@bobrodrigues2833]

Easy in India in North people buy degree

[@sumitkumar-fb5op]

u r really a intellectual person....u r hottie also

[@sumitkumar-fb5op]

@@codex7446 mam is hottie🔥🔥

[@embrace7052]

@@codex7446 buddha unkill is also a hottie 👍

[@aman6828]

Missing piece of a puzzle

[@sameerraj4136]

Yeah they are more depressed and poor.

[@ytcmtr4917]

I don't understand this fashionable criticism of 'the system'. A system is meant to generate uniformity. Expecting creativity in it is absurdity. Loading a system with the subjective variables of every human on the planet will result in a bloated system beyond human comprehension! I say this, because every criticism of the "Indian education system", is something that western students aren't happy with their system either. I have seen horror stories of US PhDs going for years. The US PhD is driven mainly by funding concerns, so much so, that the PhD system there, and across much of the western world is as toxic as anything. This business of openness in questioning isn't true - the only difference is that the funder is a bigger stakeholder there, and I am not sure how good that it. It's not even research at this point, but fudging crap to please the money holder. That is, if one wants to analyse where India is toxic. About rote learning, again, disagree. A level of quick recall is something most fields expect of practitioners and even creative individuals. No one rattaafies more than singers and actors, the popularly known creative fields - I am sure the expectations of memorization in STEM isn't unfair. Let me know when actors write their own dialogues instead of memorizing what's given to them, or when singers sing random crap instead of the lyrics given to them - else, I don't get this criticism of memorization for just STEM either, but not other fields. Sportspersons showing off repetition in their techniques, dancers, linguists or lyricists and language and grammar...I could keep going and show examples in every sphere outside STEM, that is supposed to be creative, but still has structure, rigor, repetition, rote-learning - creativity doesn't imply anarchy! I believe any system outputs clones of some measure, which is why Prof. Mausam saw similarities in them too. That hint of individualism is upto the individual, and certainly not a system's burden in my view.

[@commonsense1019]

10 💯

[@gautamSaurabh2799]

Not use of हिंदी This is the big problem.

[@vikivoicecoach]

Arre kehna kya chahte ho lol