Are Psychoanalytic Perspectives on Guilt Still Relevant in the Culture of Narcissism?

[@jacoblui]

great conversation, and a useful follow-up to the Kohut and self-psychology lecture

[@redlion20031]

Hi Don, having tuned in your youtube lectures and podcast, I am excited to see that you are on the panel of the next IOPA Political Mind seminar to talk about evil. Will get myself a ticket and really looking forward to it.

[@lisbethbird8268]

Thank you two for such thought provoking material. (I need to revisit Pinnochio.)

[@liamthompson9342]

Another great talk. Very good news you have a book coming out. Society needs this.

[@abstract3213]

Amazing talk, thank you ❤

[@doncarveth]

Thank you

[@QueensofVirtue]

Great interview

[@suzieoh1]

I love your material on guilt. (I grew up in a church). This particular discussion makes me wonder about studying psychoanalysis vs sociology and which schools to adhere to. I would love to see a primer on the profession on your channel. Obviously whenever you have the time as you’re very busy these days! Thanks for bringing the same authenticity to your material no matter wherever I find you!

[@doncarveth]

Thanks

[@leorashirley1769]

Great content, thank you.

[@jonashjerpe7421]

Hi Donald! I hope that you are all well. Your content is surely missed. Just wanted to let you know that the work is appreciated, although I am sure that it is also quite demanding. Best

[@doncarveth]

Thanks Jonas, I’ve been busy completing my new book but I will be back on KZbin before too long

[@jonashjerpe7421]

@@doncarveth Good luck indeed with your new book! I look forward to hearing more about it in due course. Take care

[@jonashjerpe7421]

Concerning hope. It was asked whether it is reality based or a fantasy. Ultimately it is neither. Conscience is the true source of hope. It is more commonly referred to as faith. It is a deep trust in life. It basically conveys the insight that the universe does not make any mistakes and you are cordially invited to trust that and live from that space of the heart. The question whether hope is based in reality or in fantasy is unduly dualistic, as if the mind and reality is all there is. If psychoanalyst were to devote themselves to explore conscience and the heart more thoroughly, analysis and spirituality would merge.

[@jonashjerpe7421]

Good discussion. Thanks

[@aWomanFreed]

It’s likely not the goal of these narcissistic intellectuals to merge analysis with spirituality

[@JohnDoe-hr4xj]

What a load of crap!

[@sarahhajarbalqis]

Missing your sharing Dr Carveth.

[@doncarveth]

I’ve been working on my new book, “guilt: a contemporary introduction.” Just sent off a first draft to Routledge. Once this is wrapped up I will be back making video lectures. Thanks

[@sarahhajarbalqis]

@@doncarveth Thank you. Looking forward to the book release!

[@dariuszlukawski304]

I love your lectures and podcasts. It would be great to have your books in an audible version. Is that possible?

[@doncarveth]

That would be the publishers decision, and I doubt they would do it as the readership is not that large.

[@seanwilliams9780]

@@doncarveth - genuine question - how might we practically and experientially apply the understanding psychoanalysis has both about and of guilt to oneself? What behaviours might we see if an analysis has ‘worked’? Someone more able to move from unconscious guilt driven living and relating to making conscious choices that are not so ‘guilt driven’ and presumably more fulfilling? Loving, working, exploring and fighting for what’s important?

[@doncarveth]

@@seanwilliams9780 Yes and showing contrition, apologizing, showing humility …

[@BacashMeditation]

Hence : The dominant emotion for a sociopath is disgust

[@abstract3213]

Interesting..can you say smth more about it?

[@laurapalmer01]

Would you please record a lecture on dissociation and repression? I want to know your thoughts on how this is a false binary and these two concepts are ultimately pointing to the same phenomenon. I love your talks.

[@doncarveth]

Sounds like a good idea. I’ll think about it. Thanks.

[@porschawilson4493]

God makes ways🙏

[@leojablonski2309]

Your lectures are insightful and entertaining. The projection of narcissism onto Trump was particularly cute. How long have you known him ?

[@doncarveth]

Just a little over four years, but that was enough

[@liamnewsom8583]

Don could you please do a video on thin skinned vs thick skinned narcissism. Describing the differences there of?

[@doncarveth]

Already done: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpy0emqHgdOSrbc

[@honestytube2944]

@@doncarveth thanks don!

[@dextercool]

I have a maybe obvious question - when talking of 'unconscious guilt' is this guilt of some kind of primal nature or a more everyday guilt - and if the latter about what exactly? What are their most common sources? About not being loving enough, about poor behaviour, about not fulfilling hopes/dreams? Or is it a mixture of some more primal and more mundane guilts? Is it guilt about not following the conscience?

[@briannerk3373]

There is a lot of disagreement about the nuances of this among theorists, But one could say that there are different levels of guilt; The most "primitive" one is the guilt the infant first comes to feel when he/she realizes that their rage at the mother for not being a perfect caregiver hurts their mother-- consequently, the infant will come to feel that they are just "bad/evil" (primitive guilt). More developed forms of guilt come about when the person feels guilty about not living up to their ideals, the ideals of society, or doing something to hurt an "utterly unique" other human being", or not making the most of their lives. The primordial guilt of hurting the original caretaker colors all other guilt since it is the developmental root/"way in" to all other forms of guilt. If the infant has never felt this primordial guilt in relation to their caretakers, then we get someone who has never formed an emotional attachment to their parents (the core psychopath). Almost everyone carries around with them some primitive guilt and also more mature forms of guilt, and all of these types of guilt are highly interrelated with one another and color how each of them is felt.

[@doncarveth]

@@briannerk3373 yes

[@dextercool]

@@briannerk3373 Thanks, that’s very clear.

[@dextercool]

If you could permit me 3 more questions, does not a narcissist also feel guilt for example not living up to the perfect image of themselves - or do they simply get anxious/shameful and have their superego beat them up? Also does the superego both enjoin us to enjoy ourselves in this narcissistic culture and then berate us for enjoying too much or too little or both? And where does this guilt reside in the id - deeper? Or in the conscience?

[@doncarveth]

First, you need to be clear about the fundamental difference between persecutory and reparative guilt.

[@davidclarke9215]

Always behind what we imagine are our best deeds stands the devil, patting us paternally on the shoulder and whispering, “Well done!” Carl Jung from “A Psychological View of Conscience” (1958)

[@doncarveth]

Yes, most of the evil in the world is not done by do-badders but by do-gooders!

[@goldensprite3373]

Do you think not being able to say no to yourself and hence children is a result of suppression? Thabkyou fir your videos

[@GoAwayThisTime]

Not sure that we've lost the ability to say 'no', though it may certainly feel this way to an experienced analyst. Not sure that we are truly living in a 'narcisso-genic' culture -- or at least not sure that an increased tendency toward empathic failure can be attributed exclusively to consumerism. See this more as a natural consequence of western elitism, laxity in our self-monitoring or connection with 'superego' that arises naturally from a sense of security. We know that neuroses can arise just as well from superego severity, which might have been highly prevalent in the baby boomer generation -- this did come up in the discussion (a little over halfway through). Maybe the pendulum is just swinging back in the other direction.

[@psychoanalyticinterviews]

Please say more?

[@GoAwayThisTime]

@@psychoanalyticinterviews it's cool. I'm a shrink, have applied to institute. Caveth on culture of narcissism is so funny though. Feels like a projection into highly sublimated intellectual space. Projection prompted by conflicts created by highly unintegrated psychoanalytic learning at the end of an otherwise spotless career. Idk 🤷‍♂️

[@GoAwayThisTime]

@@psychoanalyticinterviews just kidding! I'm jealous 😹

[@richardprice9730]

Have missed you Don so much has happened nearly all very difficuilt to deal with,lost mental health post due to asking questions and raising concerns about the diabolic tendency to dichotomize and polarize,us znd them rears its ugly head , if only Freud had been more honest ,the blind leading the blind then keeping them down in the ditch and justifying it by pathologizing them, I even hears inappropriate anger as a symptom of pyschosis at a handover as one nurse swore that bloody patient kept me up all night and the was re assigned back with her ,a veritable mad 🏠

[@fallenangel-xd3fd]

What's the name of the book? I want to read it if it's published

[@doncarveth]

Not published until sometime next year. “Guilt: a contemporary introduction“

[@mjmartn]

I’m not so sure that you can’t say no to others if you can’t say no to yourself. Just looking over my own life, I’ve long struggled to restrain myself from indulging every inclination to abuse substances, and yet I stand poised to tell anyone who does anything I don’t like to fuck right off. I can take the bottle away from others no problem (unless I’m using them as my own bottle), but I can’t for long keep it from myself. And yet, the substance use is largely an attempt to shut up the haywire nos of a savage superego. I’m indulging myself in one respect to soften my inability to indulge myself in all others.

[@matureyoungman]

I find it inspiring how, despite the racial prejudice they face, immigrants of colour can find more hope and happiness than most white westerners can, because they’ve known true oppression. Many of them are mentally and emotionally many times tougher than us white westerners, despite being otherized by all sides. And although many African Westerners procure toxic elements, many of them also have an astonishing ability to find hope.

[@doncarveth]

Very interesting observations

[@d.nakamura9579]

10:35 TRUTH

[@harresyakubi8403]

What is the difference between a neurotic patient and a paranoid schizoid patient?

[@doncarveth]

You would need to listen to my Klein series here.

[@CIANB]

Nothing

[@GeorgideMarne]

I appreciate the whole lecture and older material, thank you. However I do not agree with the idea that All creative people crave attention. It depends on why they're doing their creative endeavour. I work in performing arts field and have seen different type of artistic people. There are creative types who just do it as an outlet, or as a self therapy, or like their secret garden or in the backoffices... and sometimes those that you see on stage performing are not the most talented or artistically inclined.. just saying...

[@doncarveth]

I take your point. I guess I meant performers, not creative people in general