Are RP Games Scams?

[@BigfryTV]

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[@boyinblack9132]

BigfryTV I hope raw becomes a good rp game.

[@SCVM45]

no

[@jasonhowland2903]

Maybe they should all team up and try to work together on one

[@Orcaben1]

We need a gaming company like rockstar size gaming company to make the game the world wants. To stop shit like this and make them a fuck tone of money, someone just needs to do it so everyone else stops.

[@Donnirononon]

Dude there is Star Citizen, thats the most RP it can get. Sure its a space fly sim also but in general the PU is RP. You could just live in a planetary city and do quests and stuff there

[@philbob200]

We're at a point where Mods for games like Arma 3/2 and Garry's Mod are having better RP style games (some with very in depth ideas), than full RP based games.

[@solid_snake9708]

Thats my view aswel, GTA has a good starting point to learn and even make money off if you use FiveM. These people would benefit so much more if they started there and like Fry said small.

[@HereIsZane]

Solid_Snake according to Fivem' ToS you can't profit from your server

[@gunschlinger]

Thats because its a mod. Like any other mod its based on a fully developed game

[@BRIARFLEET]

Imagine the mods in the RP games tho

[@2BachShakur]

LSPDFR being better than Police Simulator- a “full” standalone game- is a prime example.

[@ihavenoaffinity]

Grand Theft Auto games take hundreds of people multiple years and millions of dollars to build - and those guys are professionals. If you don't even know how to use the game engine you're supposedly going to be making this game in, what you have isn't ambition, just pure, pure delusion.

[@yashkaushik6116]

I compleely agree!

[@mykeh3155]

i think the problem is that they try to make a world and things to do, but don't put any life in that world. gta works because it was already an amazing world with so much life, allowing players to interact with ai in such a way made it perfect for rp. Like arma rp, it was ok but the world had no life, ai was pretty much just quest giver style synths that didn't move or interact at all. Thats why it transitioned out so fast once gta picked up.

[@spicerackgaming9349]

Even if they can technically make the game, I can’t see it working on a social level. How many people are going to actually RP? It will just turn into a cops and robbers game

[@zap2960]

I would be fine with that. But if they implement ways to "force" RP it will be awsome

[@jgonzalez5884]

Or do like GTA online have servers for less serious players, and monitored much more serious servers for those hardcore RP players

[@alexsurh1472]

people who have no life

[@Dogman_35]

That's all RP is, even in the actual RP gamemodes. The people that roleplay are pretty much just the gang leaders and the mayor, and everyone else goes along with it because there's no way to make progress if you piss off the people in charge.

[@redshift912]

Dogman_35 yep.. way it works on even most day z rp servers

[@HenTrack]

RP games are almost impossible to make it's too complex and when I see small teams do it I cringe its too much.

[@Andrewza1]

RP mods for games are easy and good but people cant profit off them.

[@HenTrack]

@@LukasRustemeyer u went easy I don't think even rockstar can make a fully functional game like these guys are promising here and mind you rockstar have probably more then a 1000 devs and a lot of money.

[@adriac1291]

@@HenTrack RP games are easy to make if you have the budget and time. Rp games focous on making the players do everything, meaning you pretty much dont need NPCS, dont need a story, a purpouse, etc. Players make their own shit. But creating a fully fletched engine that can handle everything and balance everything to be fun? It would take years of development and time to figure something of this scale out because its never been done before. But it wouldnt be difficult in terms of coding, map making, voice actors etc. Just a steep learning curve. I mean, nobody can hire a dev that has experience in the RP game making genre because there hasnt been any. I can safely bet that there will be a huge VR RP game in a few years thats going to take over. We've seen how far GTA can go, and how much people love that. We've seen how far VR chat can go as well as Pavlov can go, and how much people love that. What if we combined these? But how? Nobody knows yet, but in a few years theyre gonna be huge.

[@mykeh3155]

they arent almost impossible, just the devs have ambitions for things that wont work and expect players to swarm to their game to give it the life ai should bring. A good rp game works both online and sp, one where you feel immersed, not where you feel like youre in an empty world. Pretty much any game with immersion is an rp game, you take on the role of a character in that world, it just doesnt have freedom. Freedom is easy to do but devs almost always get lazy or expect players to want what the dev wants.

[@notatrollll]

You would have to have enough people regularly on your server to make it fun. That’s very hard, and only a few games keep that kind of following.

[@CooKieFigHt11]

These small team Indie kickstarters have to get together and work on it. That’s the only way this would work

[@Brutaful]

Except that will never happen.

[@solo_2003]

Xd

[@marcussilva4011]

U mean not get together Bc they all have no experience or funds

[@Dogman_35]

Or just do it in a way that's remotely smart. Don't use the most difficult engine on the market, combined with assets that are way too high quality for an indie studio to reasonably match or recreate. Start the project on something easier like Unity or Godot, cut it out with the dumb open world bullshit and focus on a smaller but _well done_ map, and go for a stylistic look over a realistic one. That alone would cut down the development time by over half. It just requires, you know, actual work. Because you can't buy a bunch of shit off the marketplace and throw it together until it vaguely resembles a game.

[@merzarino]

It wouldn’t. Indie teams may have momentum, but they don’t have direction. Knowing that each indie team has its own vision and perspective, and lack a developed management infrastructure to piece the resources together, it’s hard to believe project like this will happen on indie scope, not without a considerable amount of years of growing team self-awareness knowing its strengths building a consistent working schedule, but then when that happen, it would just become a corporate company already.

[@AbuHagag1]

I wish rockstar would do us a favor and make an RPG, now that I'd spend a fortune on to make it happen

[@gordondrums1454]

fivem

[@Thegamingdino133]

@@gordondrums1454 Not made by rockstar its just a mod for a rockstar game

[@MatthewCC0311]

You’re absolutely right...for my first project I’ll created something along the lines of ready player one. You can all fund me now

[@yashkaushik6116]

I will fund you just for your english.

[@MatthewCC0311]

Yash Kaushik this poor boy needs an education

[@rainwater1770]

Yes Yes they are And you guys keep falling for them

[@almalone3282]

Modded gta online is the closest we are ever gonna get

[@TheWehzy]

@@wasted250 Thats not RP dude.

[@HAWX4]

Maybe in the indie space they are, but there are plenty of quality RPGs available on steam

[@prophetcitrus9638]

@@TheWehzy how is it not?

[@pocketsand9989]

Louie Mott RPG games and RP games aren’t exactly the same

[@Smugz]

RP should stay in the modding community within AAA titles IMO they work fine with games like Arma 3, GTA and so on and creating an entire RP game from the ground up even as a AAA developer would be a longshot.

[@teslashark]

Foxhole is as close as it gets, but "life" RP? Impossible.

[@ScoobyMagic]

i think if rockstar tried it and spend 7-10 years they could make something incredible

[@davidjd123]

They already have the frame work. I’d say 2 to 3 years

[@yusifrady3298]

We still don't know much info about gta vi though... Maybe the new gta might actually have an additional rp mode similar to what these devs in the video wanted... Maybe this is the reason why we haven't actually seen anything from Rockstar about gta vi because they may be taking their time developing something like this.

[@Aquelll]

Also the original budget for GTAV was 265 million USD. Making it an RPG would have been even more expensive.

[@miecraftandmoregames]

this is like the MMO CRAZE after wow. (in this case GTA RP and ARMA) DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

[@mykeh3155]

rp has always been at the top with fps, just people are finally getting tired of bad rpgs. We havent had any good ones in years since all of them force a story or are basically fps games. Freedom pretty much means the capability to rp.

[@azadalamiq]

@@mykeh3155 depends, I've seen some bad RP. people come up with mary sue/gary stu characters or use rp as an excuse to troll. A game having a story doesn't really ruin rp at all, as the rp would come from how the character approaches the story. in a lot of rpg you can just ignore the story till you want to "move forward" .

[@Dogman_35]

@@azadalamiq That's not the kind of roleplay you do in something like DarkRP though. It's all just improving and "yes and," and if you mess that up then it's not that big of a deal. Not the kind of situation where you can keep a deep character lore or something.

[@anasyourdaddy4337]

Hell yeah, they are, "2.5" years of working but using same pictures from same trailers.

[@czar5813]

It should be like rockstar or Ubisoft making these types of games

[@mykeh3155]

oh nonono, not ubisoft... if you look at all of their recent games, they all are built on the same foundation, are all using very similar huds, some have trashy levelling and others have grindy unlocks. They are all designed to make a profit with the least effort and risk. They are not an innovative company.

[@user-ez4ny5kd7x]

Rockstar is the best bet. They have the highest quality games and everything seems polished. Ubisoft just clumps together shit for money.

LilSushiRoll 444 They dont make them though, you know why? Because its not possible yet. The best and closest thing to a Real life game is GtaV modded.

[@iamlambda8373]

Ubisoft Will make you pay for roles like the sims

[@shortafroman4]

Awesome vid as always, but I gotta be honest bro. You answered your own question. You mentioned spending tons of money on projects *and being burned* for it. That's how *you* know. Other people haven't had the experience you have. Usually cause of age... Either way, I'd say you're doing good work by pointing the failed projects out, so maybe some people can dodge those burns, yeah?

[@Memediusroblox]

Yeah

[@MattKismet]

More like doge those burns Ha haaaaaaa.... fuck

[@chadschmaltz9790]

Games with RP being the central focus seems really difficult to do because the idea of doing a mundane task like running a store isn't fun when there are much more interesting jobs in your game. (Shoppe Keepe, Recetear, or Moonlighter don't count since those games are designed around the idea of owning a shop and have additional aspects to them like dungeon exploration) but if no one wants to do the mundane tasks then the rest of the more interesting jobs can't really work so the whole thing collapses.

[@lurtiskoe]

I agree that a AAA studio should make a decent RP game... they'd make some money for sure. I don't think we'll see any AAA dev do it though as it's a longshot whether it will make ENOUGH money. I truly believe Rockstar could pull it off with how well the systems in GTA and Red Dead work and their many years of experience.

[@TheBUGZNTA]

Its so far from possible that its laughable. Gta has 1/64th of the depth of what these rp games claim they will have and yet it took 5 years, 1000 people and nearly 300 million dollars to make gta v. These games with the depth promised aren't technically possible. Add the fact that a AAA team would need the game on console for it to be worth making and its very unlikely that a AAA company would even attempt such a foolish game.

[@TheSteamyPickle]

The idea and premis is great but even GTA started small. Heck make something similar to payday with small missions then maybe look into building it up. Make the map where you drive to the missions. Then build it up add different mission types. Add to that and just keep going. Everyone sees the end product of GTA and thinks I can do that, but they never look at where it started.

[@nofxceghxst9192]

The idea of an "RP" game in essence is so plain and textile that punching out a cash grab full of assets bought online will probably be how almost all of them are created until a studio with some actual funding and proper management behind it decides to explore that realm. It is an interesting at that, a virtual life simulator that is as easy or hard as you want to make it based upon how dedicated you are to realism of course. That being said the idea of "Well i guess i can be a truck driver and deliver stuff to stores" absolutely sucks as a gameplay loop and yes i know these games offer more radical paths but how long until "well i can rob gas stations" starts to feel like as much as of a job as the delivery truck gig does? Another thing is that anyone can produce the basic systems behind an rp game or heavy simulator like atmosphere, they aren't exactly the hardest things to make and that exact formula is why you see so many cash grabs and fakes littered with "roleplaying" when describing what their game, it's too simple to raise suspicion.

[@friedchicken888]

Everything you said was 100% true. Dead Matter is the first survival game or any game in general that I have had so much faith in it, I do not see it failing and I really hope it does not.

[@metachef407]

I am so glad i am not the only one who has such faith in Dead Matter. Those guys work 10hours a day at times everyday to make their dreams come true. And show their work through streams and dev vlogs.

[@saos242]

aged like milk

[@CityWhisperer]

There is an example of a successful RP game. I’m talking about a game that has had the largest single amount of money ever raised via crowdfunding, with over 250 million dollars. It’s Star Citizen. It’s literally a multiplayer space trading and combat roleplaying game, and it’s really good at what it offers.

[@IRico_chetI]

No one: Absolutely no one: BigFry: Are Roleplaying games really just a scam?? Watch to find out ;)

[@BigfryTV]

Been waiting for this meme to grace my comments!

[@iangee2]

so rp games are the new trend, rip battle royales?

[@marthancercal]

Kinda like BR trend except some BR are actually well made and succeed.

[@Deliveredmean42]

@Ceol I also realize that everyone one of them take a more realistic art style. Sure that might be the intended goal, but if you can't really make the game look good in the visual department they might as well go back to an artistic approach to actually age well.

[@Viper-dz2kw]

Maybe if one of them could actually get off the ground lmao

[@HandleNameIsStupid]

This is why video games are pathetic to outside viewers....just cheap manipulation that's even easier to do then in any other form of media.

[@Avarice21]

BR - started out from the modding community, turned into its own genre until it blew up from small indie devs, then AAA devs milk the shit out of it. RP - starting out as a genre from modding community, now indie devs are trying to make a standalone game of the genre. See a pattern?

[@frankieb9444]

Damn, dropping the tough love. Since my folks just gave me their Gateway 2000, I'm gonna start working to a Crysis Remaster.

[@sagacious427]

Man Bigfry I really appreciate how blunt and on straight you are in your videos. I appreciate all the content that you are making! Keep it up!

[@kfs4362]

7:04 looks exactly like that rich guy's house in the "Smithereens" episode of Black Mirror season 5 lmao

[@marthancercal]

RP games are highly self-destructive since they depend on the players playing the game "right" to be fun, and as the player base grows things like KOS and general toxicity grows within it. You can't have ADMs/police/etc. 24/7, and adding automatic systems to avoid bad behavior would mostly just hurt the game since it removes the freedom that is at the literal point of a RP game.

[@getmoneygwap]

All those games were they say there are no npc will ALWAYS BE SHIT. If u dont have npc theres no one to fuck with. Then they say the players will build this and the players will play roles. No one is going to sit in front a computer screen and role play as a store clerk all day that sounds boring as shit

[@Karn3fice]

The problem with making games that are role play from the ground up is that the scope is limited compared to what modding other games have accomplished: GTA 5 was already a gorgeously detailed living environment that, with its existing systems enhanced on top of role play mods, it becomes one of the currently best ways to play a “open world” role playing game online. It’s incredibly hard to get an entire game working with the RP mechanics alone. Imagine trying to create the true scale and detail Rockstar and other noted open world developers have shown with their games? That’s why most of them end up feeling flat, drab, and fake.

[@MidnightSt]

I just posted this to a discord of a guy who reeled me in by "do you want to be level designer for my game?", and when i got in, I found out that not only he's making an RP game, but he doesn't even have any idea about anything related to game making. No programming skills, no art skills, no idea what design entails, no idea how to organize people, nothing. Just a discord with "60+ people" (as the warning before tagging everyone in the message with link to this video warned me), delusions of grandeur, and not a single tiny sliver of a shit of an idea of what it actually entails to do even a reasonably sized game, let alone something like this. within few seconds, someone answered "no stfu" well... nothing new, I knew from the start that thing is a trainwreck. but maybe some more reasonable members of that discord will watch it and realize.

[@BigfryTV]

You should tell me what game it is lol

[@Blazs120gl]

This is how people, especially young people think today. Instant gratification, asking money upfront, even for learning projects, totally unaware of personal limits, lack of humbleness. Such devs always have a website, a company, a forum etc. What I never see is that they have a complete game (engine or anything) first and all the fancy stuff only after that. If you have a pet project, do it in your free time, take your time and come up with it when it's complete. Backers, remember you're getting what you pay for. You pay for nothing, you get nothing.

[@simileee]

I guess..? Every small dev team has to start somewhere. There are good projects like Star Citizen which do have frequent updates, and has a lot of content for a small dev team. Games like Chronicles of Elyria as well started off like this, and it releases next year apparently.

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

Huh, that's actually quite a vital point raised around 05:38. It's so far apparent that no indie studio is successfully able to actually deliver an RP (or life) standalone game in due time and with certainty. They are all barrel busts. You need a bigger or experienced team with sufficient funds, and of those funds a portion has to come out of their own pockets or angles. The more you (need to) rely on crowdfunding specifically, the more risk there is that it might go bust if confidence is lost and if public financial support dries up through those channels. People, for the love of god, look at all the failed RP games from indies so far and ask yourself if you want to throw money once the next lame pitch comes around from some studio. Rather wait until games progress to a good point that doesn't rely on feature creep or asset galore.

[@cloudincus4052]

The ones in production are. However there is a market there. If someone serious gets into the game. However the second game. Where you can mod is the correct avenue to take. These game thrive on modding communities.

[@joelr2214]

I've been building a role play game for 5 years now because of all these fake scam games no one will see my game until its almost finished im solo so may take a while I've decided better to go back in time and put out a complete game as im building my own assets steam should give like a tick system so you can tell a legit game over these scams luckily I have my own money so don't need to crowd fund as soon as my games done in a couple of years i think people will like it but its not as easy as some people think it takes alot of dedication time and money. When I started i didn't expect the amount it takes to build a open world but over the years I've worked with alot of different people and learned alot i won't give the name of my game or any further info this was to share my experience with getting in to making a game like this to say it's not easy like people seem to think

[@DanielGonzalez-ip6hp]

If RAW somehow takes off, BR will finally be dead.

[@Yaboyshock]

Your forgetting about consoles if it’s gonna take off it has to take off everywhere

[@KuzkayDev]

Why are you comparing Raw and Onset so much? Onset won't have a kickstarter or such, It has gameplay, It's not just a roleplay game but game where community can code their own stuff, You've also said "Raw and Onset made 160k" Onset is privatley funded and will be released to purchase when the game is ready so no pre-orders :) *Yes I'm a moderator for Onset, No I'm not defending it, I'm just saying we're not associated with Raw in any kind of way, I've also been burnt by RP games and lost tons of money on them (cough cough Identity)*

[@Simon-ot6yn]

Yea i like what onset is trying to do but i think people have just been burnt to many times with these RP games, that the current mindset is guilty until proven innocent and personally i share this sentiment and im keeping an eye on onset but i won't make up an opinion on it until we get our hands on it

[@Somber.Killer]

Good luck guy. Hopefully one day Fry can make a video not shitting on the game haha

[@DaysOfFunder]

If I was raw right now, I would start up a new animated game trailer production company. Boom set.

[@crayz92]

It's always been a thing for new game developers to want to create something big and massive with no experience. Mix that with streamlined crowd-funding services like Kickstarter and that's where we are now. General public looks at the idea and places blind trust in the people presenting the idea. edit: liked & subbed

[@solid_snake9708]

Problem is that Kickstarter has terms that your project cant just be an idea, It has to be in the prototype stages when clearly most of the games are not when its just a no game-play trailer.

[@crayz92]

@@solid_snake9708 Another problem with that is with modern game engines it's super easy to create shitty prototypes with little to no game dev experience. Developing the real thing is on another level

[@solid_snake9708]

@@crayz92 I agree and it's definitely a problem.

[@Derjeniche1510]

The RAW guys are my neigbours. Haven't seen them for like 2 weeks or something like that. I'm always joking with my friends about how they went on a vacation with that 70k€ :D

[@metachef407]

You should be an insider and find out what type of development and at what pace they are making due with the 160k theyve yoinked.

[@Derjeniche1510]

@@metachef407 I'm eager to talk to them and maybe get a key or test something, but as I mentioned - haven't seen them for weeks

[@Appetizer76]

Why any of the big studios would not make an RP game nowadays? I think one of the reasons is that a game like that needs hundreds (maybe thousands) of dedicated servers in every (or in major) region(s) and state of the art of netcode (to minimise lags because of players with high ping)! Think about the cost of those servers and those servers MUST handle at least 100 players (or more) at the same time imho. Like just imagine how many things happen in an RP game that MUST be calculated and synchronised in real time. (Even Rockstar has that ugly P2P system because it's CHEAP) For example: - players (place, animations, skins, clothes, etc.) - interactions - any moving object (cars, planes, bullets, debris, etc) - NPCs (place, animation, ect.) - weather - maybe physics, trajectory (if there is) too(?) And let's not forget about how you keep the playerbase busy/entertained. Random events, races, lore, some story(?) something is that interesting? It is an astro-f'kin-nomical task/goal.

[@nerdmassa9086]

You don't need a studio or a registered company to make a finished, polished and fun game. All you need is, as mentioned in the video, a realistic project scope, skills, experience, work ethic and time. I released a game (DinoSystem) back in 2015, which is still in constant development. I failed 2 kickstarters, and yet i delivered the game (appreciated by most players) because my scope was realistic: no fancy 3d graphics, no huge map, but deep mechanics, emergent gameplay and focus on polishing. These projects that manage to be succesful in crowdfunding (and yet fail to deliver) are the very reason players get tired of supporting indies (like myself), and I'm quite tired of that. I'm tired because i see people without a proper work ethic, or even a clue about development, putting together assets on Unity or UE4, forging fancy trailers, luring players in their crowdfunding campaigns, and make plenty of money by just being clueless and inexperienced, or in some cases shady. I poured my heart and soul into my game, for 6 years, delivered something people enjoy, and feel a profound sense of injustice for all that. People expect a game that's both visually stunning and deep in gameplay and mechanics, but have no clue about the work needed to achieve that, and that's true for both the players who support those projects AND the naive (or shady) indies that attempt to undertake them. Either we start appreciating a deep, complex game despite its simple graphics (Dwarf Fortress anyone?), or just accept the hard reality that only an AAA studio could be able to achieve both, at least for the time being.

[@agublizzard]

IMO, it's impossible for indies. You need at least 3 very talentend programmers and at least one of them must be an incredibly talented architect + software designer. Multiplayer adds a whole lot of complexity to an already incredibly complex game.

[@GrindersVerdictPodcast]

Well, Battle Royales blew up on Twitch, which consequently blew up on KZbin and after that you had 102319250 BR games so i'm not surprised that after FiveM got so much visibility due to Twitch as well, there's now a fuckton of RP based games as well. Problem is that there is a reason why Arma, San Andreas and GTA V became main focus for multiple RP enthusiasts... their games had what was needed, while these "promises" don't. Like someone said, modders are doing a better job molding optimized games to RP than RP games from scratch.

[@Wags44]

Yes. FINALLY someone speaking the truth about all of this role play fake ass bullshit. I couldn't agree more with your statement about Dead Matter. I backed it, and if it's trash, i'm done as well. It was and will be the last game I back on Kikstarter or any other crowd funding sites. Tired of getting scammed. Thanks for the review and your brutal honesty.

[@360milliondollars]

I'm an older person in college getting another degree. The Computer Science young ones are all waiting to be game devs and nothing else. They don't care about programming which is a lot to do with gaming. They do come from the era of having more advanced PC games 5han I had when I was a kid so their experience has been mostly on the internet whereas mine was the beginning of the internet, gaming, and household computers. I say to them learn how to write in the languages needed to code their games and learn before jumping into the dev world to confirm if that's what they really want to use their degree for.

[@teslashark]

Foxhole is pretty much the only pure community-ruled RP game that could work, and Eve might also count.

[@ralphreal4039]

congrats on the sub's dude !!your channel's really taking off !

[@LeadsTheFallen]

Not even Rockstar could make these type of games

[@adamgeigerjr6995]

the modding community for Rockstar has done a lot ... other than that tho ...

[@pilotmanpaul]

From what I heard one of the people working on RAW actually worked for Rockstar in making Cinematics which is why the Trailer it so nice. Though I don't believe crap like that. Impossible for someone who was in Rockstar to end up in some Indie Game Studio.

[@drunksupportcharacter]

Well if all these small teams came together and built something we would have GAMEPLAY by now?!?!?

[@preciselyinaccurate5460]

The problem is that RP games have to build so many mechanics and systems that need to be deep and competent on top of the scale they’re trying to achieve that it’s just too much for any small team to accomplish.

[@coregod109]

it's a pretty clear cut case of dunning kreuger where people who are proficient at a task rank themselves as higher than actual proffesionals because they haven't learned enough about the task to realize that they still have a lot of learning to do

[@cazzavillan]

Just bought ww3 looking forward to jumping into my first game after work! Thank BigFry you changed me perception of this game. Thanks for the work you do

[@Aquelll]

Everybody wants to be GTAV forgetting that the budget for that game was 265 million USD. 😏

[@bigben2639]

I was contacted by a developer for a Level Design position to create a large world for their game. They ask me how long it would take me to build them a 8x8 world with assets. I was honest. They stopped responding to me.... This isn't the first time this has happened. The indie game development scene is full of people with big dreams, and absolutely no idea the amount of time and work that goes into these projects. I think Bigfry is right that most of these are not "scams", just pipe dreams. As for RP games coming from Arma/GTA modders, until you get a "TEAM" of people that have actual industry experience on shipped games, with real backing, real time frames, and real artists, you are never going to get a decent product. Modifying a game someone else made, photoshopping police skins on other peoples uniform meshes, and importing ripped assets you bought online does not provide you with he experience to go out and make a full game.

[@umbertocastillo-stickney8343]

The main problem I think is they want very small details in the game when most RP servers have systems that aren't that detailed. Like in Arma 3 where making drugs isn't very specific but its still fun to do it because its not too realistic. The big issue is they try to be too realistic when it should feel realistic not be realistic.

[@haun_ted]

always appreciate ur honesty bigfry

[@merzarino]

It’s just sad that when people aim to make something that they dream of inspired from other games, they only see portions of those games and not knowing how much resources it took to make that far. Indie has more energy than corporate company, sure, but suffers the management resources to achieve big scope project, not unless they start small and work a bunch of years to grow it larger.

[@kingofchris]

all this games concepts exists because Rockstar have not yet released that next evolution of the GTA series... i personaly love how they keep adding new content to the game after so many years... but i always felt like they there was a loot that they could improve in a new game, and a lot to be added in game mechanics, physics, assests and graphics... but GTA 6 is not even at the horizon, and they wont upgrade an already working game so the amount of people thirsty for that next level game is growing and growing everyday, and some just want to make it them selves

[@JackIsNotInTheBox]

It's soooo easy to scam people on kickstarter. I do it all the time. People are gullible as fuck.

[@doubletapproductions]

Someone needs to make a game like this with no profit in mind! Have hundreds off accepted devs working on it that can all vote on things created by devs to see if everyone wants it in the game! The gaming community would come together to create one amazing game with no one profiting off it. Simply made for the love of Gaming! THIS IS WHAT WE NEED

[@veganhero1828]

Profit is needed to give people incentive to work on the thing in the first place, the best games and movies have all been profit driven and wouldn't have been made otherwise.

[@sharkisshark3476]

I see so many fails... its sad to me to see them all fail. mybe if they all get together like one big ass goal in a commem of a proper RP. Its so far from reach for just one person. its good your honest big fry. you tell people what they need to know not what they want to know.

[@commander31able60]

All these games remind me of what that one friend in high school wanted to make...

[@kionisua8564]

12:55 yeah I wouldn't fund a game if that was their idea of an advertisement. And that dancing banana? Oh no, look at how they massacred my boy.

[@tophinski]

Comparing Raw to Project Life is just wrong xD

[@eyecoordination6876]

RP games wouldn't have this kind of rep if an actually competent AAA studio decided to make a project like this but for whatever reason only tiny teams of people who don't have the budget for it are the ones creating them. I guess they never do because you can't put lootboxes, or rather, surprise mechanics, in the game without defeating the purpose of the RP

[@AboutThatTime420]

It's Megalomania. One of these games would be amazing to see. I agree that some of these dev teams get way in over their own heads.

[@laulen3448]

I think it's telling that almost if not all of the rp games that are successful are mods of other games or G-Mod which is a mod of the source engine.

[@Rextheslime1]

Rockstar games should make one to stop this whole thing.

[@itzaprem6358]

To be honest I would love to see a full map rp like they describe but like unturned graphics so it’s runnable and graphics are good

[@aloadofbollocks988]

Role-playing games might work if they have short matches and it requires investment and natural rather than forced team-work to achieve certain roles. It would have to handle all the nuances very well tho.

[@smolpp585]

RP devs be like: I am once again asking for your help

[@Coastiestevie]

There and Second Life, I consider to be successful to be successful, standalone roleplay games.

[@GojiraRising]

That dab just killed me from the inside.

[@Sergeant_Blain]

maybe these scam rp games has an dark unknown side with it? maybe there is a producer that hiers some willing indie devs to mix up some easy made assets and then start kickstarter so they can make money? maybe it's a bigger coincident that we see so many scam rps?

[@amazantaarchives9289]

I wish there actual fans of rp who somehow knew how to make games and maybe free that would be amazing rather then selfish pricks or someone putting it out there for the sake of it

[@harryhunt1735]

Yup this is defo a scam, the only game that comes close to making an actual RP game is star citizen and well thats taking a long time and may never come out, but they got $200 million with 500 people working on it and even they are struggling to make an amazing RP so i cant imagine how far two people can get with just 100k it aint gonna happen, star citizen is really our only realistic hope but probably will never get finished i hope it does but ...... yeah in like 10 more years

[@hephaestusofficial]

So basically it's a 3rd person Sims, a genre that even Sims, a game from massive development and publishing studios needs years of development and many people working on it to come out, and at first feels also empty. RP games are a good idea, for example I first saw the trailer for RAW, thought it was awesome and then found this channel talking about the genre and how all these games are basically nothing. My suggestion to these people would be to start on mobile game development, easier to develop and no matter how simple a game is, if it's unique, it will find it's fanbase.

[@Brandon75689]

Well, I mean. They're not scams, because they don't even have the correct financial infrastructure to maintain a public image to try to scam you out of your money. What you're essentially getting is gamers, scripters, and hobbyist making games. These RPG games are usually too much bang for the buck and they are done by people who have never made a game before, never ran a company before, and do not know about the ills involving technical issues and launch. The games and devs promise a lot and always have great ideas. But its mostly because they are gamers like the consumer and are filled with passion to have a dream game that many other gamers always wanted. But when challenged with the task at hand, they either make a Giant mistake and don't understand the technical problems involved (Like Identity) or they didn't think anything through and didn't understand all the bells,whistles, sweat and blood that go into developing a game ( Project Life). The only game that looks remotely promising is Onset because they are doing the CORRECT thing to do and that is to relieve the load of programming from the developers and let the community make the "RP" gamemode. Just like how it is in FiveM/GTA 5 RP. All they have to do is make sure there is a good API, decent amount of assets, and a working foundation, and the community can do the rest. 120,000 USD for Raw is nice and dandy, but NOT good enough for what they want to do with the amount of experience they have. They are about $20,000 short of what Identity raised for their kickstarter and we know how that turned out.

[@adamgeigerjr6995]

just download mods for GTA ... I've had more fun in the RP lobbies with friends in the last year than I did the "normal" games built for RP. I've been a cop, a dispatcher, an EMT, a tow trucker, a criminal, a store owner, a car mechanic, etc. It was FREE too. Yeah, of course I bought GTA5 on sale for like $40, but overall, the foundation of Grand Theft Auto is sooo large, well-known & "alive" compared to starting your own from scratch. Its WAAAAY too big of a project for anyone to do who isn't Rockstar or at the AAA publishing level. You'd be sacrificing in too many areas to save time, effort & money. Better graphics? Shit connection, lag & glitches. Go into every house? Small ass map. Play as a police officer or civilian? Piss poor progression. Good sound design? Crap animations. My opinion, if you want to build this sort of game? Learn to Mod. Build upon an already established game. THEY CAN BE FUN. But make it reasonable to achieve. You can't be Rockstar Games with a 5 man crew. Your unrealistic and going to fail.

[@BenAbrigil]

tell them kids "you are not experienced enough"

[@tacticalblind4345]

I'm curious. Why don't a group of RPG Dev's from their independent games come together as one to create the ultimate, huge RPG?

[@lexmark66]

A lot of RP games are scams, but I am kinda excited about this RAW game to see if it is actually going to be legit or not

[@paaatreeeck]

"It's fooking RAW!"

[@bonnnetwork3291]

In the words of Shroud: "ITS NOT POSSIBLE!"

[@Delta-Frost89]

I also want to be a XXX movies actor but i don’t have the right equipment, gear and specifications for this so i’ll just let the pros do it. Be realistic people.

[@murphyzach1]

I just wanna know why no AAA dev has put out a solid RP game yet? I mean there defiantly is a market for it obviously. We can only wish.

[@TYLER-oh4ef]

Project Civil Life:Raw Living, coming soon to a steam store near you for $15.99.

[@menphues]

The only game that is RP I’ve funded and stand by, even though the game is taking ages to get working is Identity

[@Lofwyr]

With all this desperation from people who want a decent RP game, It makes me wonder why no triple A developer or publisher have tried to make one?, because the demand is there.

[@KevinLovesAmanda1229]

Small team with big games, if they don’t deliver they will be claimed as scams

[@internetuser-os5hw]

Yes, because no AAA dev wants to make their own. It is always small Dev teams that have little money and experience to even make a real game.

[@gerach488]

What’s your outro song big fry?

[@dl0l.l0lb]

The thing is if they made a good openworld rp survival similar to dayz but without zombies even with ps3 graphics, basic mechanics, basic buildings/items, and a small map would still buy it if it was very well optimized. But that's the problem nothing is optimized everything runs like shit.

[@dalethr3se7ens74]

You're so f****** candid I love it keep up the good work

[@Dogman_35]

These games would have such an easier time if they would focus on something simple, like recreating DarkRP, instead of trying to make "GTA but better: the sequel" when they've never even touched a fucking game engine... How in the hell do you get off selling a game when you don't even know how to code a _door._

[@MushyMel]

it exists, its as old as the hills now, its called Second Life

[@TheBUGZNTA]

Every one of these crowd funded RP games will end up like identity, a worthless asset flip with nothing to actually do. Most of the people starting these kick starters aren't serious game developers. They are scammers who download UE4, bought assets from the store then made a shitty video showing off their "game" where all you can see is other peoples assets in an engine they didnt make. It takes very little actual developing skill to create one of these trailers. They usually just show off some buildings they bought and some cars they bought. Never are they showing how core game systems like inventory etc work because those core game systems dont fucking exist. I would feel bad for people who are bamboozled by this crap if it weren't so transparently a scam.

[@jedgarnett7791]

There are a metric shit ton of RPers out there. If even one of these games get it right it will be huge just based off the fact very few modern games cater to the RP community.