Are SCUF Controllers Unfair? Are they Cheating?

[@warped3075]

I don't consider it cheating, just unfair. But mainly unfair to people such as myself who don't want to spend upwards of $150 USD on a video gam controller.

[@sebgomez2688]

If you don't want to spend the money then don't complain that's your issue

[@captainmacmillan1752]

+Warped Couldnt have said it any better myself. I dont use a scuf, but I always play with a headset. It is not cheating when I soundwhore my enemies since soundwhoring is part of the game but it certainly gives me an unfair advantage over those people that dont use a headset and cannot hear my footsteps.

[@Flutsyn]

did you watch the video ? if you cant afford a scuff just play claw ! You are gonna get used to it in under a week

[@ceverett68]

$50 send in service for four back paddles, nothing else, and you have a Scuf.

[@warped3075]

+Flutsyn I did, but its much easier to play normally and not get arthritis in your fingers from positioning them that way.

[@Stuff_CS]

Cheating? No. Unfair? Yes.

[@DerpySuX]

My thoughts.

[@sabrefire9164]

Kinda like sbmm lol

[@dilapidatedboat8291]

@nocapsorspace very true.

[@minhn2888]

Lol there's no difference between the two - they're the same thing- going god mode is unfair but it's not cheating? Or is going god mode cheating but it's fair? It's the same thing, manipulating the gameplay to get an advantage over your opponent who is using oem equipment

[@DLBBALL]

Mr Hackmos There certainly is. Just like how activists can’t realize the difference between fairness and equality.

[@iDankiie]

Ace the fact that a Scuf user can shoot semi-auto pistol at me and make it feel almost automatic because of the stoppers they have is not fair. Also, by us changing our controller settings make us lose something, for example the ability to knife as fast as opposed to Scuf users who don't have to move their fingers anywhere.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+iDankiie For the trigger stops comment, a lot of people have a good trigger finger regardless of the stops. I literally don't notice a difference in my rate of fire with or without them. Here's a great example of me without my scuf (kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqOymGV5dq5pfLc). You do bring up a great point about the button layouts and often having to sacrifice something.

[@ABQSentinel]

+iDankiie How about this--fuck "fair". I absolutely detest that fucking word because it's not a real word. It's something made up by social Marxists who got this idea in their heads that things should be absolutely equal for all people (i.e. "fair"). Well, guess what? They lied! Nothing has ever been fair, and nothing ever will!

[@maphazar7549]

Just use flipped. Better than trigger stops imo and I have them.

[@strandny]

+ABQSentinel "Nothing is fair" does not mean you shouldn't aim for achieving equal playing ground.

[@extragluten9346]

+Matt “maphazar” Rudd what does flipped do? by the way i am on xbox one

[@feldspar1496]

I play on pc idk why I watch this anyways

[@dinobot117]

Lmao

[@mrspuffoncrack1404]

+Luís Sousa same

[@feldspar1496]

anonymos2222 lol my steam name is Anonymous

[@lunatik4]

+Luís Sousa i play with a keyboard/mouse on these consoles with an Xim4. it's great as it allows me to be able to play with my friends and not be hindered by a controller. check it out!

[@KristianCamp]

+Luís Sousa idk why u watch it either.. maybe it's a sign to stop playin so much pc

[@bkpickell]

In the eyes of Microsoft's Terms of use. It is indeed cheating. Any mod that gives an advantage over another user breaks the TOS. And yes a SCUFF is a modded controller.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+bkpickell What about an Xbox Elite Controller? Is that cheating? It comes stock with a lot of console packages now. If the answer is no and you feel the Elite isn't cheating then the Scuf gives no advantage over the Elite and, therefore, it can't be considered cheating by the logic that you used.

[@bkpickell]

Well, those just came out if I'm not mistaken. And I don't believe they are available on last gen. So technically people using scuff on last gen would still be using a modded controller.

[@FerrariOnFire]

+Stephan Potter Irrelevant comment

[@CouchGuy19]

+bkpickell Yet no one will ever get in trouble by microsoft for using a SCUFF, ever. It may be a modded controller, but it doesn't actually allow you to do anything you can't already do on a normal controller. It may give someone an advantage over those who don't have one, but all the extra buttons do the exact same thing as existing buttons. It is also allowed in MLG and tournament play, so that says it all for me.

[@bkpickell]

Couch Guy Yn I know that. I was just making a statement. And if you read the TOS you would see I'm correct. Scuff controllers are modded 360 controllers, Elite controllers are not modded. So there is that. lol

[@thriift840]

I have always thought they were very unfair and I wish they didn't exist. It gives try hards a huge advantage. Stick and move just doesn't compare, you can jump, knife and drop easily with a scuf.

[@Pr3DaToR15]

Play on PC and have no regrets.

[@garrettj4806]

Stick and move! I hear everybody talking about bumper jumper and I'm glad someone else uses the glorious stick and move layout

[@henrylopez00hl]

+Garrett J i use stick and move and changed the a button with Right bumber because i dont really use tactical grenades

[@marztheman7834]

+Garrett J I tried out bumper jumper and I just couldn't get used to it, stick and move is definitely the way to go. Glad to see other people actually use it.

[@nealmachado]

I would have agreed, but i switched from normal to claw, so i can jumpshot and more

[@brianbbgun54]

I'd like to see the "pros" play without them

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+BrianB Many of them do and you'd never know the difference without seeing their hands

[@Artis312]

+BrianB Yea like pamaj, he can go beast mode with just playing claw

[@AMJ22222]

Justin Hillman OpTic Scump plays claw and was the best player in AW, top 5 in both BO3 and IW, and top 5 all time in cod history doesn't need to use a scuf(he has them without the paddles) so your argument is invalid.

[@FlowKom]

would be hilarious. all of them WOULD have to adat to claw or bumper jumper.. but hey spending 150$ is just more COMFORTABLE AY?

[@dns_-_9213]

Hahahha I doubt it, most of them have been playing for so long with scuf they'll be shit till they adapt to normal controllers.

[@TheSamuraiApocalypse]

This is exactly what I would expect to hear from a scuf user. It's clearly an unfair advantage, you're playing it down by saying you can do with a scuf what you can do with a regular one, but it's just a little more comfortable. It's more than that, it makes it very easy to evade bullets while allowing you to maintain your normal accuracy, which is simply just not possible with a regular controller, and the claw technique is bad for you're fingers, and probably increases your chances of getting carpal tunnel too. You're playing it down like it's not s clear advantage, but no one would buy scuf, let alone two like yourself, no one would spend THAT much more money on a controller if it wasn't for the very clear advantage scufs will give you. I know the advantage, I'm thankful bumper jumper tactical is now a new button layout, because it's the only way to put myself at the same advantage that a scuf player has, but most people don't know about this new button layout, so it's still easy to outplay other players just by simply jumping, cause they can't, they can jump and then shoot, but I can jump three times while shooting someone which makes me way harder to hit. Unfair advantage.

[@Matt-sg3mj]

Greatly said

[@monkeyman0759]

Like you said your self you can do the same thing with bumper jumper. Just less comfortably.

[@bkpickell]

+MonkeyMan075 but muscle memory still wants to hit A sometimes. And without a scuff it will get you killed, because on a scuff A is still jump. go into a wall run with an alternate button layout and hit A, you are either throwing a tactical or knifing. and don't get me started on knifing. I cant even use the ripper specialist, because I keep forgetting A is my knife.

[@monkeyman0759]

+bkpickell I took me a day or two to learn but I got it eventually but still all preference of the player

[@anabukashka]

His argument also does not hold ground when it comes to the xbox elite controller: it has hair triggers and an app that allows you to change the sensitivity curves, fine tune them in great detail, it is something that the games usually DOES NOT ALLOW. SCUF, elite controllers and mouse and keyboards adapters for consoles are a market that feeds on providing unfair advantage and some form of cheating to console gaming.

[@petejohnson2363]

A SCUF is an advantage, not a massive one but an advantage non the less. There is always a compromise with different button layouts, for example I use stick and move but as a result I rarely if ever win panic knifing situations because I have to move my thumb to do it. I can use Tactical and drop shot but have the same issue. A SCUF allows you to do everything with no compromise. It's BS and the game would have been better if they'd never been invented.

[@AGoldSoldier]

Just because it gives an edge doesn't make it cheating, it's like any other peripheral for a certain genre: For example, racing games have steering wheels Dogfighting games have joysticks Fighting games also have joysticks and dedicated buttons (I.E. Street fighter game boards) And FPS has extra paddles on the back of their controllers. People like to complain about cheating but it's because this kind of thing is new to them.

[@petejohnson2363]

It's not about whether it's cheating or not, it's about whether it's an unfair advantage. Personally I think it is as not everyone has or can afford a SCUF and it's most certainly an advantage, no matter how minor

[@AGoldSoldier]

The thing is, Yes it does give you an advantage but it is fair in my opinion and here's why: These controllers allow you to do things much easier than with standard controller BUT you are still able to do these things without the controllers (i.e Jump and continue to aim) with things like bumper jumper or Claw. Same with any other peripheral, It makes playing easier but it doesn't allow you to dominate

[@RoyaltyGotHits]

Nah if 3rd party controllers were never invented everyone's movement would be trash. It's not an unfair advantage. Like Ace said in the video, you don't need these controllers to do anything that they help you do, they just make it easier.

[@EvO24]

No it isnt. You can play claw which equals it out. Claw is something you have to be skilled to use but its the exact same as using a scuf

[@3900TheLabel]

People who have a product always wanna justify it. This video was pointless. You're basically saying "Yes, I have a Scuf controller so no, its not cheating because you can do it without the controller." While yes that may be true, it still allows you to do multiple commands at once, which serves as an advantage over an opponent. So since you can do that without a Scuf, then why did you buy one? And before you say "What about the Elite controller?" Look at the price of it, and I still consider that an unfair advantage, no matter who it comes from. I don't care who uses them, but the question was what we thought. Thats just my opinion.

[@imneight7916]

He stated in the video that he bought a scuf in order to be able to do those movements more comfortably. Pay attention.

[@gugeyao8640]

100% agree

[@StarKittens]

Exactly, and if you can do those movements "more comfortably," in essence, it's 'easier' then it does give an unfair advantage over those users who not only find it uncomfortable to play in "claw" but "hard as hell" to play in claw. Using middle fingers on the back-side of the controller doesn't require finger gymnatics like "claw" can for some people (particularly me with my short fingers). lol. All using middle fingers on the back-side of the controller require is re-wiring muscle memory by constant use. Claw is just awkward for my hand to physically perform. So for me, anyone using a method to keep their thumbs on the joysticks at all times with the ability to jump, aim, and shoot all at once will always have an unfair advantage over a person like me playing with a traditional controller that finds "claw" style unbearably hard to do.

[@TheKingdavis09]

Zay there are options within the game that allow you to do multiple functions without using a scuff etc.

[@megaton_a]

So people that can play claw have an unfair advantage because you find it too uncomfortable? That's like saying people who can aim better have an unfair advantage because you're not comfortable with an analog stick enough to aim well. Or that people with no jobs and don't go to school, who can no-life CoD have an unfair advantage over people who can only play a couple matches a day. At the end of the day, regardless of what controller you're using the more skilled player is going to win 99.999% of the time. Dumping a bunch of cash into a fancy controller isn't going to improve your aim or give you better reaction times. This just sounds to me like another excuse people throw out when they lose. "It wasn't that I had less skill or that my opponents were better than me... it's because of their controller!" Sorry bud, but no.

[@itsFisch]

I know this probably wouldn't be read much but here's my argument. Since I play PC, this is like comparing using a regular Dell/Hp mouse with like a steel series or Razer mouse. Both do the exact same thing: Allow you to aim. But obviously a branded gaming mouse does with with better precision, accuracy, tracking etc. I still have friends that use a regular stock mouse and they are freaking good with it. To me its about getting used to your hardware and maximising it.

[@i.n.r.i.2106]

Mouses tend to be more responsive

[@okiefish7066]

people who suck at the game have to use special controllers and mods to cheat, and they were shagged by their uncle as a child.

[@TheInquisitor777]

He's speaking the language of the gods

[@michaeldanielson3098]

I disagree, a SCUF controller obviously gives you an unfair advantage. If not, then why do all pro players use SCUF? SCUF is BS.

[@justinv6132]

Because they are easier to use than a normal controller. Dont shit on it just because you dont have one.

[@minhn2888]

Pros use scufs so it's legit? So because role models do drugs, commit crimes, etc it means it's legit? They shouldn't be allowed to use them.... scuf probably pays a shit ton of money to have their product to be used - everyone has a price, doesn't mean it's a fair and honest way of playing

[@FlowKom]

and whats even more easy to use is a mouse and keyboard to aim.. so why isnt that allowed in console ESL ?

[@FlowKom]

best argument of the month.

[@gvid999]

how is it unfair when you can do it with a normal pad if you change stick and button layout

[@NT-fb6ow]

Well it obviously gives an advantage over layers who dont have it, otherwise no one would use it.

[@Maximil1ion]

I consider a 120€ controller to fuck people up for a 60€ game on a 400€ console as unfair

[@Sfishh]

+Maximilian Lawrence If someone spends 3000€ on a gaming PC, nobody bats an eye. Spend 120€ on a controller and everyone loses their minds

[@ahmedal122]

+SlimFish3r they're both a waste of money happy now?

[@mrspuffoncrack1404]

+SlimFish3r As a PC gamer I'd lose my mind if someone spent 3k Euro on a PC because they got hella ripped off

[@serabi_]

+SlimFish3r because what people can do on a 3000€ computer, I can run on a laptop, you can't put paddles or shit on a 60€ controller without spending over the amount for the 120€ one

[@serabi_]

+anonymos2222 exactly

[@uaestar]

After I used SCUF for few months Now I cant play with the normal controller anymore

[@smearedperogies5047]

Same

[@cliffshort3260]

Exactly

[@captainnoobface1124]

It's a crutch not even going to lie

[@mrspuffoncrack1404]

+uaestar I started playing FPS games on PC with mouse and keyboard. Now I can't play with any controller anymore.

[@SiapSiup]

+uaestar I played scuf for few months and two days ago I switched to claw just to try it out. For me claw gives me more fun, I realized I hate being dependent on hardware.

[@canadapwns886]

Some youtubers: 30 minute video, 5 minute intro. Ace: "alright I'm Ace, this is what I'm talking about today, let's do this. *2 second intro*

[@AJ-gd1hh]

Let's be honest if you couldn't afford a scuf there's a 90 percent chance you would think it's unfair too, don't even lie.

[@preacherh9876]

+Calvin Boateng again CLAW!!!

[@speedyspin]

scuff is a modded controller dude.... and his function is help to kill more easy. so... definitely is Unfair for player that doesn't have one of these.

[@serabi_]

exactly, people don't know the meaning of a modded controller, it doesn't matter what it has on it, it is a modified controller, and in Xbox's terms of service they state that these things are not allowed

[@MrViperlash]

Of course, but since then Microsoft has endorsed scuf (Sony allows them at events they have sponsored so that shows support). Microsoft has also released their own version of a scuf controller; the Elite controller.

[@johnhelpme4821]

RAAAYOS people that have scuf dont have god mode so stop crying

[@YokaiX]

Ppl seem to think a SCUF is just magically going to make you win every gunfight all the time which simply isn't true. You still need to have accuracy skill even while using a Scuf to hit your target and stay on target etc. And a Scuf can't improve a player's overall skill like timing, map knowledge, predicting and reading enemies etc. Also there are CoD KZbinrs out there who don't own or use a Scuf and are really great with regular controllers. So in conclusion anyone who bitches about Scuf just sucks at CoD or other FPS games and needs to face that fact and admit it's the truth.

[@raymond2009v]

The ability to switch weapons jump reload Crouch/prone position Jump shot Drop shot All without moving your thumbs from the Analog Is a clear advantage Over default controllers

[@ipanorman]

until i get a scuf its cheating lol

[@momo4044]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@perpetuallyflossing9206]

If it's that big of a deal to people, just go out there and buy one yourself. Thus, you now have the same "advantage".

[@alxbengosu]

+Kurtis Kroetsch If you can afford a PS4 or XBOX One you can afford to spend a little more on a controller. Matter of fact, people usually buy a second controller to play split screen with friends. That excuse is pretty tired out.

[@motherlove8366]

+alxbengosu That argument makes even less sense. A scuff controller is more than 3 times more expensive than the game itself and sometimes half the price of the actual console with which you can play multiple games, watch movies or go online. A scuff controller is simply not the sort of investment a casual gamer can afford to make.

[@alxbengosu]

I hear there's this "claw" grip you can use with normal controllers? So like I said in the above post, you either change your style or buy a Scuff-like controller. That is if you want to be "competitive" in pubs. Most casual gamers don't care, from what I see in multiplayer pub matches.

[@alexpezold7350]

I do not have a scuf but I was able to easily learn Stick and Move with the regular controller and I can jump and fire easily.

[@fisheo]

same

[@Sfishh]

+Alex Pezold Since my Scuf broke I picked up stick and move and I can't honestly say there would be a big difference. Scuf feels more comfortable in hand probably but that's it.

[@kajinx1848]

Hey Alex it's Seth!

[@juubijinchuuriki7302]

right

[@serabi_]

my problem is I HAD to adapt to a new controller scheme because I can't play casual anymore when everyone else uses scuff, which is annoying. being forced to play a different way to "have fun" is annoying imho

[@ericpaul4209]

A better headset helps out more then a scuf controller

[@soraajin]

I agree

[@ChampionGold]

Thibk about it like this: its the equivalent and haveing two kids in a basketball 1v1 Kid #1 is wearing jeans, a t shirt, and has a worn down basketball Kid #2 has $2000 air jordans, basketball shorts, a tanktop and maximum grip ball Now it does come down to who is better at basketball, but obviously kid #2 will have a much easier time

[@Thelegogunman1234]

You forgot about Kid #2 has Elite socks and a headband and an arm sleeve.

[@richanater99]

was the game designed with scuf controllers in mind? no. the game was designed to be used with a regular PS4 or XBONE controller. I would say scuf is cheating because it adds more functionality that wasn't intended. I have a special keyboard that I use for playing MMO's. Theres a bunch more buttons around my hand that allows me to press buttons that would normally be out of reach like (CTRL + 0). Is this cheating? yes I would say it is. I was a much better player because of this. And I can tell you right now that the games I played with PvP were real unfair for the other players since most use a normal keyboard to play. The argument can always be made that anyone could go out and buy a scuf or in my case a razer Anansi. But the games weren't designed with those peripherals in mind. They don't allow you to do anything you couldn't do before, but they sure as hell allow you to do more than what was intended. Personally I don't care either way what anyone uses. I consider myself a cheater and would be a hypocrite if I didn't call myself one after explaining my viewpoint. But as long as the game was designed for standard peripherals, I would call anyone using anything that gave you an advantage over other players a cheater.

[@VGamer07]

Well said.

[@damanichildrey84]

You need to make this go viral on Twitter. The point is...if this is the new style. Release these controllers for everyone during the release of a new console. Nope;won't happen because its too powerful of a tool.

[@Thatabc]

Best comment on here

[@TheCam2125]

They aren't cheating at all IMO. Maybe a little unfair. Before I got my scuf I could still jump shot with relative ease. Now that I got one its just a lot easier. I feel it's a little unfair because there are some gunfights that I know I probably wouldn't have won if I didn't have a scuf.

[@BrantPeterson]

+legalkillerkev He said they weren't cheating in the first sentence...Do you even reading comprehension bro?

[@TheCam2125]

legalkillerkev Cheating is acting dishonestly or unfairly so it can be viewed as cheating.

[@TheCam2125]

legalkillerkev IMO is an abbreviation just like "lmao" So maybe you should stop using that. It's the internet people use abbreviations to type fast. In real life I wouldn't say IMO

[@TheCam2125]

legalkillerkev It's really not that stupid since people will think you are acting like it's a fact when all you did was state your opinion.

[@TheCam2125]

legalkillerkev No but it literally means the same thing. I don't know why you have a problem with it. You seem to get mad online too easy.

[@Emelineeeeeee]

Here's a simple flow chart to tell you when something is unfair: Does it give an advantage? If the answer is yes, then it is unfair. It's as simple as that. SCUF controllers give players an advantage, therefore they are unfair. I think you have a bias since you use SCUF controllers.

[@stephdjohn]

You didn't even mention the trigger stoppers! Now that's an unfair advantage Ace.

[@rayamat01]

just stick some screws in to make your own

[@fabioapd]

+stephdjohn Just use flipped... The bumper is a lot faster than the trigger with trigger stopper...

[@PBDNR]

the trigger stoppers dont really change anything. The ps4 controller shoot when you put a tiny bit of pressure on the trigger.

[@brandondurbauree7611]

It's not cheating but it's unfair, who agrees?

[@malrenyt5609]

You know my answer.

[@charliewickliffe2203]

Yep

[@CHAINWALLET1]

As a claw player myself. Are Scuffs cheating? No. Are they unfair? No. Is there some sort of advantage? Yes, otherwise nobody would buy them in the first place.

[@jman2102001]

but a FAIR advantage, which i believe you mean anyway

[@Rap1dACE]

+Chain Wallet Also scufs are an advantage just like kontrol freeks and headsets are. Having a good connection is an advantage. If someone calls scuf cheating well they don't comprehend that they are playing a online game which is an advantage or disadvantage in itself. An online game will never show you're 100% skill in every game so really people buy these products so they have an advantage over the unfairness of a game.

[@jman2102001]

Zee Zen That changed my entire perspective.... good point mate

[@TacticalRab]

Ace you're bang on. Shame to see the delusion in these comments.

[@Outrjs]

Says the guy who is selling scuff controllers.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+Outrjs I'm not affiliated with Scuf in any way.

[@Outrjs]

+TheXclusiveAce are you making a video promoting scuff controllers and getting likes and views that pays you? It's okay to be a salesman.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+Outrjs I have never been in contact with anyone at Scuf. I don't receive any form of compensation whatsoever from the company.

[@Outrjs]

+TheXclusiveAce okay. Thanks for the video.

[@1986kxt250]

On PS4 you can make custom button assignments. I use L1-aim, R1-shoot, L2-jump, R2-slide, X-lethal, O-tactical. Gives me the same abilities as scuff for free. Plus you can turn it on/off by holding the PS button and selecting/unselecting it in the menu.

[@Tehstool]

I don't think it's cheating, but there is 100% incontrovertibly a disadvantage if you are not playing claw (and I still think there is even if you are). With bumper jumper you have to play claw to aim while throwing your flashbang, and you have to use your middle finger to ADS (unlike how most people hold the controller) if you ever want to jumpshot effectively. With stick and move you are pressing a stick which can impact your aim. It's also a lot different than a button. You are forced to play claw if you want to aim while still being able to melee/go crouch/go prone/slide. Even then you have to move the "claw" finger around which is a slight disadvantage to the stationary middle fingers for scuf controllers. It's pretty hard to argue that it isn't giving you an advantage over a regular controller. You can use the same broken logic for a modded controller. It's just like having a really fast trigger finger. The gameplay is the same (I'm just talking about a full auto modded controller not a jitter mod) so you don't know the difference. It's just more comfortable to hold it down than to tire out my trigger finger. I'm not saying a modded controller isn't cheating, I'm just using it as a counter argument. The standpoint in the video is pretty obvious. Ace didn't go into the disadvantages of having to use bumper jumper or stick and move, but he did go into the details about the modded controller. I'm just doing the opposite.

[@FurXesGaming]

While playing on stick and move, holding down the right analog stick can mess up aim more than having a SCUF or Xbox One Elite controller. The people who spend more money on those special controllers have a clear advantage, and it is unfair. Is it cheating? That's debatable. Elite controllers sold by actual console developers and manufacturers are very similar to SCUFs, but SCUF is a modded controller (yes, it is modified). I'd say no, it's a legal modified controller.

[@damanichildrey84]

The paddles on the back of Microsoft were designed in the lights of Racing games. I don't blame them; making gear shifts feel like real shifting.

[@AdsaAdad]

Is it cheating ? No. Is it unfair ? yes.

[@csalgado1717]

It's not even unfair, it's an advantage. But me playing claw it's fine you just have to put effort, or even just play bumper jumper

[@Reyna15x]

It's pay to try and succeed. I'm sure people don't buy them and are automatically nadeshot

[@theringmaster3684]

When I got my Scuf controller is definitely helped my game a ton, it definitely helps (if you're a decent player and use it right) but its definitely not cheating, it doesn't give you a suit of armor on your player, have turbo, or give you more ammo in your magazine.

[@matthewmceneff]

Ace you are the best cod youtuber you dont ask for likes your voice is calming you dont have outbursts of like rage or like screaming if you get something good in SD honestly I would say for etiquette 10/10 Keep up the good work and videos

[@ceverett68]

totally agree with you Ace. Microsoft has their own and all the major competitions allow them so it isn't cheating and even saying they are unfair is stretching it, really thin. get used to another button layout or claw. or just get one for yourself,I really don't see how a gamer can't afford one. if you're that casual of a player then it shouldn't even be an issue. Scuf, battle beaver, I think even cinch offer a send in service for the controller you're already using making it cheaper. maybe we'll all get lucky and the consoles will start being sold with these types of controllers included

[@Wales123]

but how can you expect someone who has no money to adapt to compete with those that do?

[@SOFUBIS]

+DeXdAA Modify your controller yourself. It's not hard.

[@ImmortalJeremy]

I'm don't play competitive but I like to do well( I'm kinda like a serious casual gamer).I'm in that category who really can't afford a $120 controller since that's the cost of a book for college but I lose gunfights because all these guys go around jump shooting with their scuff. It honestly makes me really mad that they can pay for an obvious advantage. And I don't want to change my button layout because I've been gaming all my life and I'm used to certain buttons doing certain things... It's not worth the learning curve

[@ceverett68]

+DeXdAA I guess if you want to play competitively you'll save the money for one. am I so out of touch that these controllers are unattainable by some? I went for a long time without one and, I didn't want to spend that much got a controller but when I finally did it yes it was worth it. so much more natural and comfortable, and easier. if you're serious about playing even just serious casual gaming save the money for one. send in service with four paddles is $50. you won't get remapping or grips or trigger stops but you'll get the extra paddles

[@ceverett68]

+ImmortalJeremyHD I feel your pain. see my other reply. $50 send in service is a no frills special for the extra paddles from Scuf. I'm not sure what battle beaver costs for send in but they have awesome customer service. you can complain about people using them or bite the bullet and save for one. When I finally got one I thought it was worth it if for no other reason than Lee frustration from losing those same gunfights

[@emotivation2841]

It is unfair, you said yourself that it's a matter of "comfort and ergonomics." Well those are advantages behind a pay wall, which makes them unfair. Not to mention how playing claw requires practice to do effectively, as opposed to the easy pick uo of a Scuf. Scufs aren't cheating, but they are unfair.

[@fog4259]

No because even if you have them , that doesn’t makes you instantly better

[@emotivation2841]

@@fog4259 But it gives you an unfair advantage locked behind a paywall. A player that is the same level of skill as a player with a scuf is at a disadvantage because of a paywall. Hence, unfair.

[@fog4259]

@@emotivation2841 then basically having better hardware is cheating. Usain bolt is cheating because he has better genes than me.The rich people are cheating to because they have more money. Eating food is cheating because there are people that they just can’t eat.

[@fog4259]

@@emotivation2841 skill is totally subjective to the person who is playing. I was cranking like crazy with a fucking iPad at 30fps. There are pro players playing at 60fps against people with 240.

[@emotivation2841]

@@fog4259 I did not say that having better hardware was cheating, I said it was unfair, which is an indisputable fact. People that don't have the money to pay for something like that will be at a disadvantage to people that do.

[@shawntannehill]

They should make the stock controllers for xbox and ps have scuf buttons.

[@justinv6132]

What? Why?

[@shawntannehill]

Nova StrykerHD Because they are superior to a normal controller. You can keep both fingers on the knobs while manipulating a button of your choice. You wouldn't have to use them but they are there if you want to. It also would even out the playing field because people are using them. Lots of people use them and love them because they work.

[@JohnJohnson-fy6dt]

Why would they make that come with the console if you could just milk more money buying it separately

[@killtheposer]

Can’t scuf has Patton’s

[@malrenyt5609]

Sony and microsoft may do this in their ps5 & xb2 controller,if they made it i would be happy.

[@tellis9844]

It's not cheating but you definitely get a significant advantage. You forgot to mention the trigger stops, they also give an advantage on shooting games.

[@ahays3168]

I have gotten used to the "stick and move" button layout and can say it's every bit as effective as when I had my scuf. I have a 3.0 kd and don't feel at a disadvantage when competing against other players that I know are using scufs.

[@LivingDeadbeat]

+A Hays3 Stick and move is incredible

[@djoc417]

Scuf controllers are unfair and cheating. The ONLY reason button layouts like bumper jumper/stick n' move exist is to try to balance out all the scuf players. The controller is BULLSHIT honestly. You literally have extra buttons ! how is that not cheating or unfair? Yeah sure i can switch my button layout and Boom i can jumpshot, okay. But now my knife is "x". Mean while the scuf guy can jumpshot with one pannel, panic knife/and or reload with the other and drop shot with r3 lol

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+JBHviews What about the xbox elite controller that now comes as the stock controller with a lot of xbox packages? It does the same thing as a Scuf. Are you a cheater if you use the stock controller that comes with your console?

[@yautjahunter8382]

+TheXclusiveAce to be honest i think thats only come out because of scuff and paddle controllers. both an RF controller and a paddle controller allow you to more easily do something within the game. how you can say one is cheating but not the other is not logical. as i said before personally i dont care what people use as long as its not a mod menu or other related nonsense. niether controller are going to give you a wall hack and an aim bot after all ☺

[@GreenMachineOG]

+JBHviews Is it unfair if people play claw? It would be impossible to tell if a player is using Scuf or claw unless you were physically there to see. Scufs were created to combat claw in the first place (well claw is terrible for your hand muscles anyways).

[@yautjahunter8382]

+The GreenMachine as i said i dont really care personally. use whatever you want. i was commenting that the logic seemed a little strange.

[@GreenMachineOG]

I wasn't commenting on your reply, you weren't mentioned, but I understand what you're saying.

[@cal6311]

scuff controllers actually gives you a 1.2 sec shot faster than a person who doesn't have a scuff. so it is cheating in a way.

[@adamcroxton]

by the same logic couldn't you argue that the rapid fire controllers are also not cheating because you can simply hold the button or push it repeatedly both still possible outcomes with either controller..

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+Valar_Morghulis You simply can't replicate what a rapid fire mod does without the mod. I can replicate everything a scuf does without using a scuf.

[@yaboytpoo9083]

+TheXclusiveAce you underestimate my trigger finger... lol jk

[@ceverett68]

rapid fire does things the game wasn't programmed for

[@yaboytpoo9083]

does it actually make the gun fire faster than the guns fire rate cap? Or does it just make the game think you're pushing the fire button really really fast. Cuz if that's the case, how is it cheating? Couldn't you just push the fire button really really fast

[@ceverett68]

matthew wensink it turns semi auto weapons into full auto weapons, with insane fire rates. think sheiva firing like a vesper

[@lehomardfurtif5506]

i have a scuff but i keep using X for jumping and O for sliding, its kinda hard to stop using this button and only use the pad behind the controllers

[@Marscompany]

You need to get used to it bit it doesn't take that long After one week using my scuf I was at the same skill level than before

[@karma999]

In the feet to ground CODs scufs weren't as useful but in AW and BO3 they became more useful bc being able to be high up in the air and shoot at the same time is a huge advantage over your opponent.

[@Tmx115]

OK this is going to get a lot of flak and please be respectful when I say this but I think that a rapid fire mod controller is not cheating let me tell you why 1. the gun will still shoot at the same max fire rate and stats will still be the same 2. If this is considered cheating then scuf might as well be because it is adding something to the controller in which u can do your self 3. it dose not make ANY weapon over powered because if the Shiva shoots at let's say 200 rpm and u don't use a rapid fire mod controller then you will shoot at 150 rpm ( human oversampling and error) as the rapid fire mod controller will let u shoot at the full 200 rpm which keeps the gun the Same 4 it takes no skill to use rapid fire controller? then by that logic it takes no skill to use a scuf. look you can fire a Shiva at full fire rate you can play clawed pls remember whether your on each side (rapid fire is cheating or is not cheating) be respectful with your comments\ debate\ discussion as you can obviously see I'm on the side its not cheating

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+jesse scavotto 1. When the semi auto has a low fire rate cap with no oversampling like the Sheiva, I can see this argument because anyone can easily maintain that max fire rate with ease. The problem comes when you have a high fire rate semi-auto or a semi-auto that can be oversampled. In this case, the rapid fire controller is allowing you to do something that is literally impossible to replicate without the mod and it's circumventing a system that was put in place to keep the semi-autos more balanced (Oversampling). 2. Like I said, with a high fire rate gun with oversampling, the mod DOES allow you to do something that you can't do yourself, unlike the scuf. 3. Some modded controllers allow you to EXCEED the max fire rate using a jitter. For example, I've seen tons of clips of a brecci firing at 800+RPM because of a modded controller which is completely game breaking. 4. A rapid fire mod isn't a 1:1 input, a scuf is. With a rapid fire controller you only need to press one button to perform nearly limitless actions that are meant to require 1 button press for each action. With a scuf, it's still 1 button press per action.

[@Zer0Stxtic]

+jesse scavotto My reply to people who use mod controllers ( not scuff or other legit controllers ) get good scrub

[@iconic4609]

+jesse scavotto it's not cheating because you use it, basically, right? if a gun is not meant to be fired at an automatic fire rate, like an M6 or a shiva, then why mad a controller to make it do so. if you cant rapidly move your finger that fast to fire then it shouldn't be as simple at holding down the freaking trigger as you would a vesper. Especially something with such high DMG and so little recoil. it's a joke and it lacks skill. This has nothing to do with scuf. it has everything to do with modded controllers that allow rapid fire features to gain an upper hand

[@Zer0Stxtic]

Drew Collins spot on thank you lol

[@punishedchad8733]

+jo Ben other than the jitter bug bs

[@alexellis2233]

Cheating? No Unfair? Yes I think they're unfair because yes it's not doing anything that the game doesn't allow you to do, however for a casual gamer or even for one who plays a lot, they can do movement that we simply cannot do like they can with ease. i've tried different button layouts, tried using claw grip, and they just feel horrible, i cant get use to the buttons on a different layout, im forever pressing the wrong ones cus im so use to pressing the normal ones, claw grip i find it really hard to aim and it's not very comfy, i would like a scuf myself but i cant afford one.

[@ahays3168]

I have been using the "stick and move" layout. It's not that difficult to adjust to, and I don't feel at a disadvantage when competing against players that are using a scuf. I would recommend it.

[@alexellis2233]

i have tried it, i feel as though the aim is not as smooth, and as easy as you obviously have to press it in, and in crucial gun fights if you feel you need to jump, your aim isnt as good, but im willing to try it again

[@alexellis2233]

A Hays3 im having trouble aiming whilst jumping with stick and move its really hard, as your stick is pressed down which decreases accuracy

[@Voythify]

You mentioned you have a scuf for both PS4 and XB1 do you also have BO3 for XB1? Because I find that BO3 has way more aim assist on PS4 then on XB1.. its rediculous! Can you test this and maybe make a video on this?

[@mingmoney94]

I feel that people should quit complaining and just get use to the different button layouts like I did. It took me a couple of games to get use to it but it was worth it. But if by all means you have money to spare go right ahead and buy one.

[@flightlessdutchman6698]

You have options in you buttonlayout section called bumper jumper (tactical) so you jump with L1 (LB) and throw tacticals with X (A) or stick and move to jump by tappung your right stick and melee with X (A)

[@NovemberBegin]

DO U EVEN BUMPER JUMPER BRO

[@indicaflower2734]

I feel like scuf controllers are cheating because it's not what the console orginally came with and gives you a advantage and helps ...why can't people just play fair with a normal controller

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+UR Momma The Elite controller now comes with certain console packages.

[@serabi_]

+ReinforcedRitter what he's saying is it's unfair to play with a none Xbox marketed controller, I say any controller that is not manufactured by Xbox should not be allowed on Xbox, I'm fine with elites but I find it unfair to have extra equipment (extra paddles, easier movement with joysticks, looser triggers for faster firing, ect).

[@cyroncoffey2112]

+Christopher Castillo trigger stops

[@indicaflower2734]

+Christopher Castillo yes haha thank you for explaining it better

[@cyroncoffey2112]

+UR Momma no worries, I have the elite controller I agree it give me an advantage for example jump shooting and easy controller with the back paddles

[@pizzagateisreal]

ye definitely cheating unless everyone was supplied with a scuff then its completely unfair.

[@NsLHD]

Just bc your broke and think it's cheating bc you don't own one doesn't make it cheating cheating would be if I had god mode on fucking you in the ass online in a game over and over again and a scuf does is allow you to hit the buttons you normally would have to pick your fingers up to hit, it's an advantage but not cheating these people need to get the facts right

[@pizzagateisreal]

NsLHD i work 46 hours a week I'm far from broke, it is cheating its called pay to win as you can jump and aim at the same time something you cant do with a normal pad so you get your facts right.

[@Shawshank1Gaming]

You can play claw, allowing you to jump/aim at the same time with a normal controller. Next please!

[@pizzagateisreal]

Ruxio still not as good as a scuff or what would be the point of a scuff? Next please.

[@Shawshank1Gaming]

Lee marshall The best slayer in the entire game plays claw. Just because you can't doesn't mean other can't. Besides, do you even own a scuff? lol

[@YozaStudios]

Ever since I got my scuf I haven't played a single game without it. Just because of the simple reason that I can't play without scuf anymore.. I went to a friend's house the other day and played with a normal controller and it felt shit. Once you get used to a scuf you actually step up your game quite a bit imo. It's not worth buying if you're not serious about gaming or have the money to spend. But if you actually do have the money I would say it's a great investment. One thing to note though is that the quality of the scuf isn't really like a normal controller. Things can break quite easily which is why you should be very careful when handling it..

[@roberthofmann932]

I didn't even realize that Black Ops III offers a button layout to jump/crouch while maintaining your thumbs on the sticks. I remember checking it in MW3 and Ghosts, where you had to decide between knifing or couching by pressing the right stick. Definitely need to check this out, so thanks for the advice!

[@gugeyao8640]

100%cheating, 100%unfair.

[@Johnnynmo]

How is it cheating it is a controller made for comfort their is not type of mods in the system hardware such as rapid fire.

[@preacherh9876]

use claw you lazy

[@daddyasf5684]

Guge Yao fact. It’s paying to win at its finest.

[@NineS5]

JCLAPP01 yes it is. It allows you to do more things at once and its not for comfort either. You can reload and jump with the pedals without letting your thumb off that analog stick.

[@russellbailey1699]

I think it's unfair in competitive it's crutch and modifications

[@Tehstool]

+Russell Bailey The only reason it is fair in competitive is that you use the scuf controller to get even with the claw players, and everyone has one. The reason it is not fair anywhere else is because people who play claw are in the minority and most players will have the controller that comes with their console.

[@tylertaricco5957]

They aren't cheating, but they're unfair

[@airdaddy1706]

+Tyler Taricco explain

[@ricksanchez4408]

I don't see how, it only takes a few days to adjust to a new button layout in custom games, a few days of work to buy one, if your old enough, a few days to use claw but it is harder to play claw for a first time. The fourth option being asking your parents and fifth is just deal with it. 5 options to chose

[@sick_ibg712]

No they're not, anyone can get them.

[@quantumravage7132]

if you look at it and say "yeah, people can play claw" but majority of people are casual players, and are used to a default layout. When those people come against someone using a scuf controller, they almost have no chance when they come across some guy that is constantly jumping, and shooting, and I know many friends that have stopped playing Black Ops 3 because of that. They really weren't such a big deal before advanced warfare came out.

[@ultimategamings]

I think it's easy to become biased towards Scufs when you actually have one. I've had a Scuf since MW3 and I can't really go back in CoD to a normal controller. Do I feel it's unfair? No, it just allows me to play in a way I likely wouldn't if I didn't own one. In this game more than ever jumping and movement skill is a huge factor in how well you do, which I will agree the Scuf lets you do better, however since there are layouts to let you effectively do the same thing, I don't see how there's an argument against them

[@ultimategamings]

+Greer Galloway I'd like to add, if there was a way to segregate the player base into Scuf and non Scuf users, I'd be all for it. It would stop people from having the argument of unfairness, however it would not work as pretty much the entire playerbase would just say they didn't have a Scuf and it would make no difference at all.

[@smokedout7129]

If you can only do a certain playstyle with the scuf then it's an unfair advantage. Like people only being able to do certain things by taking steroids.

[@DerpySuX]

For me, they aren't cheating, but they're kind of unfair. Now before I drown in sweat from Mountain Dew guzzlers ready to put my head on a stake, listen to my argument. I play with a standard controller, no different layout, no claw, and I do just fine. Lets say I buy a scuf, there will be a noticeable difference in my gameplay. The reason I find this unfair is because if you take two equal skilled players, and give one a scuf, it gives the player with the scuf an advantage in a situation that would have been 50/50. That is why I see it as unfair.

[@nicomauri8222]

so you must think that headsets are unfair too?

[@Machine1136]

+I IS DERPY Sure, but wouldn't there be a noticeable difference in your gameplay if you just changed your button layout (and learned to jump and aim with the new layout) or learned to play claw - neither of which require paying money for a Scuf?

[@wurffles5586]

i dont have a scuf and i destroy kids with scufs in gbs.

[@DerpySuX]

+Nico Mauri no, headsets don't alter gameplay, they simply increase immersion, I use a default Xbox headset and destroy people with Astros.

[@DerpySuX]

+THEVibeVictorians I never said that couldn't happen, I'm talking about equal skill, however, not differing skill, you are most likely much better than the people with scufs that you play against.

[@NikoRavage]

Unfair advantage, especially with the boost jumping

[@darthbadguy5792]

I can do everything with a normal controller that a scuff can so I guess I'm better than the mlg pros lol

[@darthbadguy5792]

So the answer is no it's not cheating plus you can actually customize your controller and ad nice grip to it that comes attached to the controller no grip cases off amazon

[@ustasa8963]

Darth BadGuy how mich nukes do you have when you are better that a pro?

[@BrantPeterson]

If you can do "everything with a regular controller as you can with your Scuf", let's see YOU jumpshot without one as effortlessly as the Scuf allows you to do. It's not just about comfort and you know it. You don't spend $100+ on a controller simply because it's more comfortable in your hand. 95% of pros don't use Scufs because "they're just more comfortable." They use them because it makes jumpshotting and dropshotting easier and they WOULD NOT be able to play as well without it.

[@muttsack265]

Okay but what about add-ons like grips, trigger devils, control freaks and those freaky button pads that trick shotters use for trick shotting

[@LsxDean]

Won't ever need one because claw is amazing

[@127chevelle]

It really is, i started playing claw a month ago and my k/d went from a 1.30 to a 2:15

[@Adama.1]

+Chevelle Garcia really now. a controller did that? I got a 4 kd with normal controller. Hell with claw I would be able to go pro wouldn't I? Damn they really need to bann these things.

[@25may02]

+Jesse Pinkman claw isnt a controller. Its a way of holding the controller that allows you to use your index finger for the abxy buttons.

[@Adama.1]

25may02 oh just like claw and palm grip on mouse I see ok interesting

[@serabi_]

claw hurts my hands so I just switched my B button with my right stick

[@vrxmbov2514]

a scuf controller is a modded controller

[@vrxmbov2514]

+GAMER4 LIFE mod mäd/ informal verb past tense: modded; past participle: modded make modifications to; modify. "both the single-player and multiplayer games can be modded" a scuf isnt the original xbox or ps controller the controllers a taken apart and gets modified by a 3rd party company

[@minhn2888]

Yes it is, it is a modification of the original controller that is sold with the console

[@JuanHernandez-fu5if]

If "scuff" and "claw" are equals minus the comfort, then why did you change?? I call bullshit, stop trying to deny that having a scuff does give you an unfair advantage to even the "claw" players. I play claw and will never go back bc claw is very uncomfortable and my trigger actions is a LOT more consistent using a scuff. I agree it's not cheating but don't deny you have an unfair advantage. If you disagree give your scuffs away and stay with "claw".

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+Juan Hernandez I changed because playing claw caused me discomfort and a scuf didn't.

[@johnappleseed5091]

As he mentioned it's not an unfair advantage. It can be done using the bumper jumper button layout

[@ABQSentinel]

+Juan Hernandez How about this--fuck "fair". I absolutely detest that fucking word because it's not a real word. It's something made up by social Marxists who got this idea in their heads that things should be absolutely equal for all people (i.e. "fair"). Well, guess what? They lied! Nothing has ever been fair, and nothing ever will!

[@ethic1637]

I play claw and hade someone ask me what color my scuff was months back so he is not lying

[@henri2140]

+Racing Killer GFK bumper jumper is completely comfortable to use and does exactly what a scuff would do in this case (in other games that need another button as well, like Square in destiny for reviving while aiming its a bit different), just requires you to retrain your muscle memory

[@ryanh1013]

It's still an advantage, even over other button layouts because you can input multiple commands, such as jump, look around, and reload all at the same time. The only reason these things are legal and supported is because there's tons of money to be made off of them. The only reason anyone should be using a scuf is to trickshot.

[@VGamer07]

Truth.

[@JumboRelic]

People are saying it's unfair but not cheating... so by using a headset, it's unfair but not cheating? I swear, people who dislike this video can't afford a scuf.

[@NT-fb6ow]

Call of Duty will never go back to boots on the ground because the advantage of a scuf controller is nullified.

[@justinv6132]

Sliding will still be a thing.

[@justinv6132]

+Nova StrykerHD And jumshotting, and dropshotting.

[@NT-fb6ow]

Nova StrykerHD Yeah but people would just use different layouts, Scufs only got really big when the movement system became a huge part of the game

[@justinv6132]

ben-t Yes but playing claw is still a thing aswell.

[@NT-fb6ow]

Nova StrykerHD I'd say less than 1% of COD players, it's very rare.

[@elcoberlemont6709]

Is a Scuf worth the price or not??? Please help me!

[@adi1234567892]

Yes!

[@Tehstool]

+Elco Berlemont If you play a lot and/or have the money to spend then it's up to you whether or not you think being able to jumpshot and aim comfortably is worth it.

[@DerpySuX]

You can get just as good playing normally, I say no.

[@echogaming5408]

+Elco Berlemont PLEASE don't get a scuf!!!

[@henri2140]

+Elco Berlemont the quality is questionable according to a lot of reports (break quickly), and you can do exactly the same thing by switching to bumper jumper and learning that (takes 1-3 day max to learn). If you have money to waste a good headset does more for you, that should be the first choice

[@Zestok90]

No Scufs are completely fair. I've played using both... it doesn't impact my skill on the game what so ever, just a lot more ergonomic. I use Trigger Stops as well. They hardly give you that much of an advantage and before that I would just find the sweet spot on my trigger and and just barely move it between the button press down when using semi-auto guns. We're talking .01 ms saved time, which I know every little bit counts in CoD, but c'mon. The trigger stops aren't this Goldy amazing mod on a controller that makes it unfair. You can do the same using your base Xbox controller and just learn the sweet spot. I still use the same tactic with my Scuf. There is literally a work around for everything Scuf has, its just a nice luxury and nothing more.

[@Robert-mw2yo]

switch the button layout to "bumper jumper" where r1(ps4) or rb(xb1) is the jump button so you never have to take your thumb off the stick to jump

[@gulliblecraig2994]

If you're on PS4 you can just remap X with a different button (I set it to R2). This allows you to jump and shoot and gives more customization options than the dedicated button layouts.

[@adj9160]

Does that do it per account or per controller?

[@gulliblecraig2994]

+Ad J I believe per account, though im not too sure

[@adj9160]

GullibleCraig Cool, that's fine then as I have a seperate account for COD only! I use bumper jumper, but there are one or two things I would like to change! Thanks

[@gulliblecraig2994]

+Ad J No worries. it's under accessibility settings if you weren't aware.

[@ProphetTLK]

Yep Pay 2 Win is real

[@philomath369]

the game didnt intend for the player to be able to jump aim and shoot at the same time without removing a thumb from the analog, i wouldn't call it cheating, just unfair to the rest of players. They allow pro players to use them because it is a money maker...all the pros use them. actually they pretty much have to have one to compete.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+philomath369 If it didn't intend for that then why are there multiple button layouts built into the game that allow you to jump and aim at the same time without removing your thumb from the analog?

[@Ctrl_Alt_Elite]

+philomath369 bumper jumper tactical allows you to do the same thing. you can jump shot and drop shot without playing claw. It swaps controls for L1 and X (or LB and A) and R3 and O (or RS and B). I play on these controls but I have never used a SCUF controller so I can't make the comparison tbh. It depends on latency too. If there is less latency with a SCUF then there's an advantage. But whether the difference in latency is monumental, I do not know. I can't imagine that there would be noticeable latency for a stock controller today.

[@philomath369]

TheXclusiveAce who the F uses those layouts? comparing those button layouts to a scuff controller is just silly.

[@kennethburchett6393]

Unfair up to the point of buying the scuf.... It's all about money.. Bottom feeding after market....

[@philomath369]

bkpickell thank you, finally someone with a brain.

[@bruh5497]

Just use Bumper Jumper Tactical lol it's op

[@black_ice7822]

For real

[@rorylawrence]

+Thirst how do you aim and jump? Unless you use middle finger to shoot which is just uncomfortable

[@michaelrizzo8087]

Yep this is what I do. Only thing I hate is it's hard to use the ripper

[@bruh5497]

rorylr​ i use R1 to shoot so it's way easier. L2 to jump and L1 to aim. I then shoot with R1 with my index finger. Using ripper and throwing tacticals takes time getting used to. 

[@TheCrazy6gamer]

I always thought you were supposed to use your middle finger to shoot until my friends say I can't use a controller right. even though they can't even aim.

[@LevaniaMeyano]

Honestly, I jump around and all that just fine on the default control settings WITHOUT using claw. And when I say fine, I mean solo pub stomping fine.

[@Supreme213]

I own two scuf controllers and I played without a scuf up until AW, although I do agree with many of the points you make I do feel that scuf controllers do give players a great deal of advantage over the players that do not have a scuf or scuf like controller. Reason being is because a scuf has "additional" paddles on the back that a regular controller does not. You did mention that the scuf just allows you to do things that the game developers intended for you to do in a more comfortable manner but regular controllers do not have those additional paddles. Although you can modify the button layout the regular controller will never be as good as a scuf controller because of these additional paddles that sony or microsoft initially didnt put on their controllers. The fact that you have to physically modify your controller to be able to maneuver around with ease is already an upper hand over someone who either cannot afford a scuf or make their own scuf.

[@theeomnipresentitsgeorge707]

dude switching layouts is bullshit! i want to have the same default layout and be able to aim shoot and jump. i disagree

[@preacherh9876]

then use claw

[@MrViperlash]

Or... He could purchase a scuf.

[@Zach-zb1sl]

scuf controllers are modded controllers...

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+Zach LaValey Not once did I deny that fact

[@PBGellie]

You're defence of a modded controller is laughable. Scuf controllers are nothing more than a third party modded controller DESIGNED to give you an advantage over the average player. Thats what they are. If they weren't for that, why would you buy one? Jumping and aiming at the same time in a game like this gives you a huge advantage. And yes, you can technically move your controls around, but the bottom line is you still have 2 extra buttons at your disposal. 2 extra buttons = distinct advantage. Technically if I trained myself to play claw, I could do the same. But what if i trained myself to YY and shoot (which is what rapid fire mods are)? Would that make a rapid fire modded controller fair? No. it wouldnt. This video is nonsense. I'm just going to get a mouse and keyboard and jump while aiming, and benefit from mouse precision and aim assist. According to the logic presented in this video, that's fine, right?

[@Potato-ot9dl]

But shooting + YY is a glitch. Jumping while being able to aim isn't

[@PBGellie]

Potato Well then I guess we should be YYing to shorten our reload... That's a glitch, right? ***** Yea and normally no one can have 2 extra fingers hovering over buttons. When I say 2 extra buttons, I mean 2 buttons readily available to you that your fingers hover over.

[@PBGellie]

***** So I have to train myself to hold the controller differently. This argument was covered in my original comment (See: learning and training myself to YY for rapid fire)

[@PBGellie]

***** Jitter mods technically take advantage of mechanics present in the game. If it's possible in game with "training" like changing your grip, then there is no difference. What about the mouse and keyboard point? Would you be ok with that? Technically it's not taking advantage of a glitch or anything, so fair game right?

[@PBGellie]

***** They don't provide an advantage? Then why would you buy one?

[@AyoSosanya]

it's not cheating, it's just unfair on anyone else in pub who aren't using one.

[@9uwueuyue88]

I don't see how hard it is to just play claw (not disagreeing with u)

[@AyoSosanya]

Jolt_spudcry I wouldn't know, I just play cod for fun so I stick to the default controls.

[@steveblah5]

Also, i'd go as far as to say that it changed CoD after Bo2. How many players could jumpshot effectively before that game.?Only claw players with practice could, which set them apart from the comp. When the Scuf blew up, everyone and their mother could do it. Then the series shifted from "boots on the ground" to CoD w/ jetpacks, to appeal to fans of the FPS like Halo etc.

[@hanburgundy4317]

+Steve Plays Yep; I actually really dislike AW and BO3 due to the jetpacks. They take away from the experience and make everyone just constantly jump. Literally every game, all it is is people jumping and flying; it's all air battles. Shit is lame.

[@richarddaugherty7614]

Its been 2 years and my mother still cant hit a jumpshot for shit

[@soraajin]

7 views, 6 likes, :) that's pretty good

[@russellbailey1699]

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[@soraajin]

+Russell Bailey Russell be commenting gibberish

[@joshdennett3658]

+JasonBeKillin you remember me from Ace's streams? I'm joshdennett1010 lol

[@soraajin]

+Zlatan Ibrahimovic Yea I remember the name

[@soraajin]

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[@samrod9467]

I agree totally ace. I dont have a scuff controller and was feeling that the scuffers had a big advantage. But i started to experiment with the bump and jumper tactical and once i got used to the different setup (for me it took about a week) i found that i was jumping and shooting all over the place. My k/d went up, my skill improved and i can give the best of them a good challenge. So yeah i think people should experiment with the different button setups available within the game and find one that works for them.

[@PhuckedUpPhilosophy]

i literally bought a 25$ wired controller at gamestop that has buttons for jumping on the back of it. its not a massive advantage at all

[@a.d.8083]

Your statements are a bit contradictory. For example at 1:18 "...you can jump, you can aim, you can shoot at the same time, which a lot of people are unable to do unless they are playing claw..." Then later at 1:55, "a scuf controller doesn;t allow you to do anything that the game doesn't intend you to do" Ok, so if we base everything else using the same premise, "anything the game doesn't intend you to do... a rapid fire mod should not be seen as cheating... Let's just change a few words here and there. "rapid fire mod allows you to shoot very fast, which a lot of people are unable to do unless the hit the trigger very very fast"... "A rapid fire mod is not cheating because it doesn't allow you to do anything that the game doesn't intend you to do (hitting the trigger very very fast), That scuf style controllers are Ok to use, and within the terms of the game, yeah they are. Do they provide an advantage over thousands of players that did not shed the $150+ for such controller? Yeah, they do provide an advantage. Therefore, it would only be fair, not to categorize any other controller mods as unfair, since they provide an edge over thousands of other players. I think, this discussion would be a lot more interesting if things were looked at more objectively. I have a scuf like controller, Do I have an advantage over the regular joe on the game? I sure f**king do, I paid, over $150 for it so I better get some benefit out of it right? Can I bitch about getting raped by the kid with the rapid fire modded controller, I sure shouldn't, he probably paid a lot for that too and I am sure he is expecting good results from it? I am not sure what gives people the mentality of, "yeah this is ok, nah this one is not," when we are talking about added "pay to win" benefits.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

+Ariel Diaz Anyone has the option to jump, aim, and shoot at the same time by learning claw or switching button layouts but most people choose not to. As for rapid fire, the game doesn't intend for you to be able to fire 100% consistently at the fire cap of a high fire rate semi-auto and it's something you literally can't achieve without that mod. Also, the game doesn't intend for you to be able to press one button to fire a semi-auto as if it were a full auto, you're intended to press the trigger every time you want to fire the gun. A lot of the new mods use a jitter which allows you to exceed the fire rate cap and fire a Brecchi super fast for instance.

[@damanichildrey84]

@@TheXclusiveAce Claw is someones style. That's not how companies expect you to play. Even then, with Claw there are no extra buttons on the back allowing you to carry out faster commands.

[@gugeyao8640]

"Jump aim and shot at same time" is a huge advantage. And "bumper jumper" is shit compared with backpaddle-jumper. This is the first time I dislike Axe's vid.

[@MrViperlash]

I disagree, I tried the scuf for 2 months. Having played the game on Bumper Jumper since release I found it easier to jump shot with it as opposed to the scuf.

[@Dimebag08RIP]

I honestly don't see a problem with scufs. 9 times out of 10, jumping and shooting is no different to jumping when you know an engagement is about to happen and you engage the enemy on the way down. It's just a different way of doing things. Besides, it's more satisfying outgunning a scuf user when you're using the controller that came with the console. Wouldn't matter if you had 15 fingers, being the better player will win you most gunfights regardless of the gear you have.

[@Dimebag08RIP]

That's a fair evaluation. I was just speaking mostly from personal experience. The people who tend to buy these controllers often think they're better than they actually are so maybe everything evens out taking all factors into consideration!

[@StarKittens]

Using your middle fingers to merely click the triggers on the back of a controller is a simpler process than playing "claw" style on a traditional controller, because not only do you have to re-train your index finger to press the triangle, circle, X, and square buttons, but you're also using your middle finger instead of your index finger to shoot with R2 or R1. Playing "claw" is lot more of a learning curve to get used to than simply using fingers that never get used (middle fingers) on the back of the controller. Say, for example, X is jump and R2 is fire. It feels very awkward for me to push down X with the side of my right index finger and also compress R2 with my middle finger, perhaps just because my fingers are short, but it feels like some kind of freakish finger gymnatics is going on and my fingers just simply don't stretch that easily on the standard ps4 controller. But to be able to just use my left middle finger on the back of the controller to jump and still have my right index finger to shoot with R2 would be SIGNIFICANTLY easier not only to learn, but to just perform in general, because of the basic physics of my hand. So that's why it's my opinion that for "most players" Scuf controllers give them an unfair advantage over players who simply cannot get comfortable with "claw" style gaming. Just because you can get just as comfortable with "claw" style gaming as with Scuf does not mean that that is true for everyone.

[@williamodonnell9363]

Ace, you forgot about the trigger stops! (On Xbox). It's not just the fact that you can do the same stuff without a scuf than with, it's the fact that you can easily pick up a scuf and jumpshot people all day long. However on bumper jumper or etc. It's not that easy. After the painstaking process of relearning the controls, I quickly found that using bumper jumper tactical renders tactical grenades completely useless, you can't aim them! It's the same with a simple melee/gun butt, you just can't do it quickly enough! Also, with the pro players using scufs ( I know there are a few exceptions), they are on a completely level playing field. Due to this the only thing that separates pro players are their gun skill and teamwork. On the other hand, in public matches, this is not the case. Parties of people often win games right? This is probably due to teamwork (especially in SnD). The other factor not explored here is gun skill. This is where the scuf hinders the user a huge advantage!

[@andrewclapham1768]

if scuff didn't give an unfair advantage people simply wouldn't use them.

[@seriousdig5924]

on the playstation u can just rearrange your button layout, so u don't have to take your thumbs of the sticks, no point buying a scuf on ps4