Are Shiny Pokemon Losing Their Value?

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Some would argue that over the past few generations, the value of Shiny Pokemon has dropped drastically. I weigh in on this topic with my thoughts.
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-Azalea Town (Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver)
-Mt. Pyre (Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire)
-Route 228 (Pokemon Diamond/Pearl)
-Giorno's Theme (JoJo's)
-Geosenge Town (Pokemon X and Y)
-Slumbering Weald (Pokemon Sword and Shield)
-The Fallen Land (Xenoblade Chronicles)

[@AlexSmith-tc8lo]

The value isnt in the owning of the shiny. its in the finding.

[@Blackout987]

Ye, but the value in finding it comes from the rarity of the pokemon, when it's not rare anymore the excitement in the search, and the aftermath of owning a less valuable pokemon has dropped.

[@skiffy8121]

that value is still going down though

[@simonwork7905]

EXACTLY!! It’s the method you use, which luckily there are many ways of proving that to a point

[@simonwork7905]

NickVs Nostalgia why is your reason just inherently the right reason my dude

[@blackpantherepic3104]

True

[@DeepWeeb]

Remember when people used to sell 6IV shinies on eBay? Now they moved into more profitable markets, like Animal Crossing villagers

[@jasonmarquez1618]

They still do? There’s even websites Pokefella and Rawkhet and Machamps

[@jarzx9201]

They still do

[@Soren_Pedersen]

@Hravity I highly doubt people are selling rnged pokemon, it takes too much effort for them, its easier to just hack them in.. At least they have stupid nicknames so people know they are cheating..

[@anonym3852]

@Hravity Thats the thing. I can create a Pokemon if i want, you could never detect its hacked. Just make it 5IV, Lv100 and Hypertrain last IV. Most just do 6IV, but there is no way to spot a hacked mon if made good.

[@acumenium8157]

No one ever bought it in the first place.

[@jonjonmia]

Shiny hunting in the old games is objectively superior for 1 reason: You can walk around with them in Heart Gold!

[@jssh-o8i]

the best take

[@Fankenstein]

You can walk around with them in sword and shield too

[@jonjonmia]

@@Fankenstein yeah but game doodoo and i don't own a switch :(

[@alexhop1143]

@@jonjonmia Then how do you know the game's bad? Stop joining the circle jerk and wait until you play the game for yourself.

[@jonjonmia]

@@shranos2112 @Alex Hop I'm taking the opinion of: its disgusting that Nintendo requires me to pay a premium so I can "catch em all." And even still I can't catch them all! The animations and graphics were half assed. Pokemon Colosseum has unique animations for every pokemon. And the game was released with 386 pokemon. I'm not saying Sword and Shield is a bad game to play, because in the end its pokemon and the mechanics are still great. I just don't support Nintendo's decisions and lies leading up to the game. And once again that DLC is really saddening and I hope they never do it again. And what I'm saying is just how it is. If this stuff isn't impotant to you and you enjoy playing the game that's great! I genuinely mean that

[@sparklepawz1185]

You forgot that one glitch in gen 4 where depending on your trainer number you can get like a 1/20 chance of encountering a shiny as long as you have a Pokémon with cute charm at the front of your party.

[@FredrIQ]

Roughly 1/5 actually

[@matthewlumibao7057]

20% is not 1/20, it's 1/5. and it's not just a common 'glitch', it's rng manip

[@eddev]

@@FredrIQ actually it ranges, depending on the difference between the sid and tid, you can get different rates

[@FredrIQ]

@@eddev Yeah I know, but I didn't feel like doing the whole rather technical explanation in a KZbin comment.

[@waady4099]

its hard to pull off fully legit

[@agikai_]

My first shiny was a Rattata in LeafGreen, best HM slave ever.

[@astrolord3988]

My first shiny was a shiny rhydon in lets go Eevee

[@yuan0207]

Best HM Slave was Bibarel

[@retrofalc5181]

My first shiny was a Kalos physic type (you know the one with the male and female form) but my first i got it myself shiny was a shiny Marienie

[@daka.notatp]

My first shiny was a beatifull red metapod

[@hlebvladimir726]

Best hm slave is 100% Mew

[@Villa_Triff]

“The invention of color in 1995”

[@nickkayfabe6147]

lol

[@justcallmesimon2354]

People in 1994: black and white black and white, oooh white and black

[@TerribleTake]

1999*

[@nickkayfabe6147]

@@justcallmesimon2354 is that a bee movie reference

[@justcallmesimon2354]

@@nickkayfabe6147 maybe...

[@vanillikyu3101]

Yes and no, I do believe that as long as someone hunted for their shiny then it immediately has more value than any hacked shiny.

[@RickyRiceB]

It’s valuable as long as it’s in the original finder’s hands or if it’s given as a gift from a friend

[@MidnightCapricorn2696]

I didn't even shiny hunt for my Magnemite, but I did get one.

[@TheRedFist92]

If the pokemon was genned correctly, you would never be able to tell...

[@RickyRiceB]

@@TheRedFist92 I mean I have a clone Hong Kong shiny jirachi that a friend gave me

[@josiahlutchman4913]

I think running into one randomly is better.

[@inactivehob]

This is a HUGE misconception concerning Colosseum shadow shines. When you catch a shadow pokemon on the first encounter, it CANNOT be shiny for the OPPOSING trainer, HOWEVER, its shininess is determined when you catch it, and if it ends up being shiny, it WILL retain its shininess upon purification. However, if you rebattle a trainer with a shadow that you haven't caught yet, it DOES have a chance to be shiny upon encounter, but then will reroll upon catching, making it VERY unlikely to be shiny for you. Please don't keep spreading this false rumor!

[@alexabarca6248]

Well I am pretty sure it is determined when it is sent out in battle and not when you catch it. During a rebattle it can be shiny for the opposing trainer, but it already has its stats locked. So if you catch it during a rebattle it will never be shiny for you unless it was shiny during the first battle (although you wouldnt know if it was shiny for you during the first battle unless you RNGd it)

[@ktvx.94]

I can see a youtube video "CATCHING A DOUBLE SHINY IN COLLOSSEUM!! 7362682966483262292727292272 SRs LOL"

[@inactivehob]

@@ktvx.94 LOL FLOYT??

[@Flandre-Scarlet]

So is it or not possible to have a legit shiny with the purification ribbon

[@NEETKitten]

@@Flandre-Scarlet It is, it's just ridiculously rare.

[@samkpat]

weren’t there pokemon cards like “Shining Tyranitar” in the era of generation 2-3??? that’s a lot earlier than gen 5.

[@DrJackaloupe]

In the Anime, Ash caught a shiny Noctowl during the Johto series. So they’ve definitely been canonized well before Gen 5.

[@bradendonahue8285]

I have a shiny Jirachi. No idea on its value

[@luxtragamer6716]

@@DrJackaloupe i think he was just talking about the term "shiny"

[@charles67198]

The origional official name was "shining" but was shortened to the fan coined "shiny" in generation 5 officially. Shines were worth the most when they were still officially "shining" in my opinion.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

@@charles67198 Gen 2 shinies were the most common of all though. I have an official Nintendo guide (held together with sellotape at this point) that suggests using the mimic ditto trick to breed shinies (as shininess was inheritable in gen 2, a shiny ditto gives you a 1/64 chance of a shiny egg). Shinies were never really valuable, people just thought they were.

[@livingbeast...i_think]

"easy shinies" im over 1400 on regice WITH the charm Edit: it has come to my attention that charm doesnt effect the regis, idk if this changes a ton, but hey its information i guess

[@jssh-o8i]

1400 is nothing, even with the charm it’s barely over odds

[@livingbeast...i_think]

@@jssh-o8i i guess i forgot to mention that ALL of my previous shinies INCLUDING registeel where UNDER charm odds, not only that, but the number is increasing with every encounter, luckily im not the only one struggling with the regis, with people going 10k+ WITH the charm, all of that to say this: "the charms seems to not effect the regis because of how many people are over-odds by a lot"

[@astrofoxx_]

@@livingbeast...i_think well, it happens. These are just odds not a guarantee

[@livingbeast...i_think]

@@astrofoxx_ true, i just find it a bit strange the amount of encounters people go during these regi hunts, like, there was a person going 13k+ with the charm, but then again it does change and its all luck based so...

[@astralguardian5930]

I have done probably around 3 dozen Dynamax Adventures against Latias in an effort to get her shiny. So I am having some challenge.

[@TofuToons]

All the comments: Shinies DO retain their shiny status after being purified in Colosseum. Stop spreading this misinformation! Me: You can get shinies in Colosseum?!

[@Sonikks]

Shadow Pokemon don't become non-shiny when purifying. There are two live videos on my channel & many, many more on other channels that prove this.

[@kblaster1381]

Oooo it's u

[@kblaster1381]

I ♥️ ur videos lol

[@itsmereem6748]

epic shiny hunter

[@jasonstimecapsule77]

Hello, didn't think I'd see you here, congratz on the 3 shiny birbs btw

[@victorroberts983]

My shadow shiny tyranitar is still shiny

[@tapuchris3329]

I can't speak for other people, but I enjoy shiny hunting. I love the increased chances of finding a shiny.

[@nibleton_]

I personally think the max raid den shiny hunting method is way too easy, but considering that it’s not luck at that point, it gets a pass

[@tapuchris3329]

@@nibleton_ I've only gotten 2 shiny pokemon from max raid dens but two each their own.

[@nibleton_]

Shiny Hunter Arceus it’s more of the ability to get a shiny den on your own that’s way too easy. It takes at the very most roughly an hour and a half. This doesn’t make if feel like luck anymore. But it also doesn’t feel skillful. I do agree that otherwise it’s can be difficult.

[@tapuchris3329]

@@nibleton_ ah ok

[@ayA.-ff4lh]

@@nibleton_ it takes me 10 minutes lmao. Shiny dens steal the value of shinies in galar, keeping shinies in their og game is better, that's why I collect events

[@johnwise9811]

Man shiny hunting was so much fun back in Gen 6. I really liked how diversified the methods were whether it was fishing, hoards, breeding, friend safari, etc.

[@ShinyHunterSandslash]

4:08 Wrong, shiny pokemon do not loose their shinies on purification, I don't know why people keep getting this wrong when there's tons of videos out there proofing it.

[@muzzyLimon]

This whole video is full of misinformation isn't it?

[@karenguardian4301]

@@muzzyLimon yes some ods were gone

[@TheLethargian]

@@karenguardian4301 and darkrai is huntable in gen 4 if u have the pass

[@SantiagoCR17]

@@TheLethargian Or if you do the tweaking glitch (I think)

[@TheLethargian]

@@SantiagoCR17 yeah you can glitch but i prefer to use an action replay to get the members pass its easier and i dont want to corrupt my save lol

[@null-wq5cp]

There’s literally no value in getting a shiny traded. Intentionally searching or luckily finding a shiny is incredibly valuable to the player no matter the odds.

[@itsmebeff_]

Yep. I encountered a shiny ryhorn and shiny chansey in lets go eevee and I was so happy. And then I got a shiny in a trade and was like "cool, anyways"

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@itsmebeff_ A NATIONS STRENGTH. The actual Combined Level or Power or Something of a Pokemon-Region and therefore its actual theoretical Military Might: This is literally something i see non-covered by all of the Poke-Tubers. ?!?

[@itsmebeff_]

@@slevinchannel7589 What the actual hell are you on about

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@itsmebeff_ ? Does my comment not include my whole thought? 'This is not covered. Why not cover it?' ?

[@itsmebeff_]

@@slevinchannel7589 No? It sounded like you were monologuing about the military.

[@colinakersakers44]

Yeah I really don’t care about shiny “value”, I just like them being a thing. I’d rather not have a 1 in 8000 chance, even if it means you don’t have to spend 90 hours to get them.

[@AntonioMendez-ik4eq]

I can remember the first shiny I caught: Around 4am I was playing Pokemon X, I was farming for heart scales to make my team learn good moves when I found a yellow Luvdisc, I didn't know anything about shinies but I knew the glow meant it was something so I caught it. Even if Luvdisc is trash stats-wise, it looked pretty neat in my box.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

You likely got the fishing chain shiny increase that XY had then. gz.

[@rapgod2357]

I caught a shiny luvdisc in 11 encounters in Y

[@_Banjo_]

Honestly... i think the value is always personal. Though you can like other people's, especially the commitment to getting some. Truth be told its always been possible to hack shiny pokemon in their masses, so any new methods of obtaining shinies doesnt negate the feeling of earning them. I did see some comments about Pokemon GO and their special events, they have increased spawns on shinies ...then again at the same time pokemon in that game can't necessarily be grinded for. I did see comments about oh god when GO > home comes out it iwll make shinies redundent. Which is utter nonsense, when you consider the sheer amount of hacked pokemon. Fun video though! - I still see some people that have never got a shiny. I think something to think about is access to the internet and the way we share data. No one would have shiny hunted back in the day because its very unlikely you knew about them. Now you know they exist, there are ways to soft reset etc. Otherwise whats the chances of running into a shiny pokemon on your first try? How often do people replay games?

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

I like this point of view. Value is certainly subjective depending on the person and the circumstances. Everyone should be proud of their shiny Pokemon regardless, appreciate the comment :)

[@Sn-wm-n]

I totally agree with this perspective. I remember getting my first full odds shiny in pokemon X, and since then I've never wanted to use my action replayed pokemon on any games. Also, if you want to look into interesting ways to hunt shinies legitimately, ( in the video you pointed out that gen 8 has boring methods of hunting ) look up how to do RNG manipulation! It's probably the only skill based way to shiny hunt, and it is glitching so yeah

[@skycastrum5803]

There is a difference between personal value and a more universal value, a sort of conglomeration of personal values. Hacking killed the universal value ages ago. As for personal value, well, it depends on the individual. If the fact you are more likely to get a shiny decreases the value for you, then there you go. I’d also differentiate between shinies you know the origin of, and shinies in general. Personal value is going to differ greatly for some people whether they caught the thing themself, or perhaps a friend or you put a lot of work into breeding/hunting it, or if you hacked it, or if it’s some random wonder trade you are 90% sure was hacked (looking at you, shiny Azelf).

[@BelleColonD]

@@Sn-wm-n my first full odds shiny pokemon was a random shiny Karrablast in Black just a few weeks ago, and I've been hunting Litwick since then.

[@itookthewooockkk5200]

When pokemon sun first came out I found a shiny absol which was my first shiny ever even after playing through pokemon x, pokemon black, black 2, pokemon red, and pokemon emerald 👌. (After completing the game I found it)

[@nobrainer1330]

I'd consider finding your own shiny pokemon has value instead of getting pokemon from others UNLESS you knoe they're legit. I still have value with shiny pokemon, just not any I get online.

[@yup5581]

Yeah I bought a japanese leafgreen for super cheap and there was a save file about 200 hours in. It had most of the legendaries from ruby sapphire and fire red leaf green. I saw only one shiny, grimer which I believe to be legit. I kept it and it's cool but I value my shinies I found myself way more.

[@guacamoledolphin]

yep

[@peek-a-boo5190]

I never wanted other ppl's shinies cuz I like to find my own ones and want it to have my OT

[@ill_luck]

All of my shinies are legitimately except for one Rapidash someone gave me for helping complete their Pokédex. So I value all of my shinies quite a bit. Not counting mystery gifts though. Those are just kinda there

[@guacamoledolphin]

The Organ Thief is rng cheating

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this! Edit: The Colosseum bit on Shiny Pokemon is incorrect, I was misinformed that they will lose Shinyness upon purification, but this is not the case.

[@shailali7665]

We need maybe a new shiny form with different colours that has lower chances of obtaining one

[@AdeptCharon]

In short: the value of shinies is personal. You decide how valueable a specific shiny is (how it was obtained, what you experienced with it). Therefore, they lsoe or gain value based on how your feelings change.

[@Scriblyn]

The other day while playing Sword, I ran into a Torkoal like "I'll catch one for the laugh" and it was a shiny! It was the first Pokemon I ran into in that area too, so I think the mystery and thrill is still there even with the awkward new methods.

[@Slenderquil]

I think the value of a shiny depends on what pokemon it is and how they were obtained. Gift shinies and ones that are really easy to farm have little value, while ones that are reset or hatching only or were encountered normally are pretty valuable. Hacked shinies have no value and i think are the main thing holding back the value of normal ones.

[@salag8013]

Your video made me want to buy xy and oras for my shiny livong dex.

[@Ness9salsa]

One of, if not my favorite things about just stumbling upon a shiny pokemon is that it completely changes how you are going to play on that journey. Especially if you catch your shiny early on. My best example was I was playing and I found a shiny caterpie and this caterpie went with me all the way to the elite four and to the champion.

[@LegoReader12345hello]

During my time in pokemon since 2013, I have caught a shiny Druddigo, shiny Ursuring, shiny Scraggy (later traded for a shiny amoongus), shiny charmander, shiny eevee, shiny Lapras, shiny Buneary, Shiny Meltan, Shiny Golduck, Shiny Altaria, Shiny Audino, shiny Skwovet, and hatched a shiny Hoothoot. Of course there was also catching the red gyrados, but that's always shiny.

[@tjmflame1683]

Man what the hell, wish i had your luck. I found a shiny ratatta and a boldore sonce 2007 when i started playing and only caught the boldore

[@elemomnialpha]

So you're just gonna dance around the single biggest factor being the significant uptick in hacking? I see...

[@kotzer71]

UPTICK? hacking has always been a thing in pokemon i mean gameshark gens 1-2 action replay3-4 and pk hex has been with us since gen 5 or 4 shinys

[@lakerfan2874]

@@kotzer71 But Gameshark and Action Replay were about cheats not hacking since cheat codes were a thing and they were the only way to get them to work. Hacking's different since it's more on the creation side of things and it doesn't require a cheat code. Plus anyone knowing about the usage of the Action Replay and Gameshark had no problem since it wasn't a big deal because there would be no advantage of using it. Cheating and hacking are totslly different things and should be seperate since one's semi-legit and one's really not.

[@BeatingBros]

3:55 This whole section on colo shinies is entirely wrong. Shinies still remain shiny after purification, its a urban myth that they loose shininess. It doesn't take too long to find shadow shinies videos on YT and see them still be shiny after purification. I even hunted a Quilava in colo and its still shiny after purifying.

[@BIZaGoten]

TRUE :)

[@zabraknorth]

I’ve seen another poketuber who got this completely wrong too

[@rainpooper7088]

That’s honestly a very common misconception and I don’t blame him. I believed that one myself and I actually played that game with my friend, we just never got a shiny because you know, rare af.

[@darththeo]

That has only recently been corrected.

[@BeatingBros]

Darth Theo no it hasn’t. This myth has been proven false for at least a year now.

[@elgenialbap]

I don't think shinies have any value in reality, it's just an altenate colored Pokemon. The value that comes with a Shiny its the part of hunting them and, when you finally get it, all that time that you invested its rewarded, its something totally personal.

[@sed8181]

Exactly. The hunt is the best part. That is why I don’t like pokemon go. There is no hunt. You just have to pull out your phone on the right day and you get 10 of them. It’s like a participation ribbon. The main pokemon games you at least have to put in some effort to get it.

[@acapitala4936]

It's just like gacha games.

[@Kanethedragon]

@@Tom-cj1ge Mhmm. I’d say the only exception to this would be Meltan/Melmeltal since those shinies are only available from GO.

[@АндрейЗахаров-у6з]

@@sed8181 Actually, 10 of them only during com. day. Fot example shiny deino one of the rarest shiny in pogo that almost no one can catch/hatch. And deino just 1 pokemon. Also, i still do not have shiny slakoth even that i was at CD. Sorry for my english I'm russian :)

[@JamieD1233]

Anything with rarity has value i guess they just lost some of that rarity

[@WeaponXPunisher]

Although I have my fair share of shinies whether caught, bred or traded and a small number of them have value to me, I do believe they are over-saturated now. The one that means the most to me was caught and traded to me. It is a female Shiny Snubbull named Kiera caught in a heal ball. It is in honour of my deceased pet bulldog. Kiera is my most valuable Shiny.

[@UnassumingVirgo]

I still think shiny Pokemon are awesome and I love seeing people’s reactions to finding them, but to me, they just don’t feel as special as they used to be. Though, that might be because I played way too much ORAS back in the day.

[@keksidy]

Yeah it's called inflation, we learned this in middle school history

[@RickyRiceB]

Lmao, but this is more like a printed money issue causing said inflation

[@Channel-xy2wj]

Who learns about inflation in middle school? I don't even think economics were introduced to me until grade 10.

[@edpsgirlfriend207]

Stfu

[@fucksudhwfuknifuifunknan7384]

@@Channel-xy2wj I learned economics in the 8th grade

[@GogiRegion]

@@Channel-xy2wj IDK. I think we learned about supply and demand in 5th-8th grade window, which includes the idea of flooding the market causes inflation. They probably didn’t use those terms, but the basic concept was there.

[@gripghoulshorts2503]

Personally I think they are drastically losing value because you can just farm shinies with the easiest method and transfer and theres so many hacked shinies. *They should make a different type of shiny available but it would be intense to recolour ALL Pokemon*

[@cliffturbo2146]

Wonder Trade!

[@piekay7285]

Square Shinies exist

[@worcestershirey]

No, they should just go back to 1/8192 odds and only keep a few super good methods that only apply to a few Pokemon

[@zyella277]

if take in acount hacking beign possible then shiny's never had any real value as hackign has always been possible

[@zyella277]

@@worcestershirey I disagree with that 100% I think base shiny chance should be higher when its now. Shines are in wild still and always has been incredbly rare. and still are even if was 1 in 1000 theyd still be extremly rare certainly for rare pokemon.

[@TheAltair423]

I accidentally caught a shiny durant, didn't know he was shiny until I was in my pokedex lol

[@miguelangelhernandezsolis7849]

The first durant that I found in pokemon x was shiny but I didn't notice and only found latter when I was reading the pokedez

[@happypika3]

Long time ago I caught a shiny durant and I didn’t even notice until I checked my pokdex

[@samooraii]

Gen 100: yeah ur just gonna get free shinies every 1 encounter

[@Ryouski]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's gen 9 tbh

[@stellathedeer464]

@@Ryouski it basically is

[@josefarias5216]

By sheer luck in HGSS I caught a No Guard, Brave shiny Machop, evolved her into a Machamp, and she carried me all the way into the post game. My first shiny besides the Gyarados and I'm proud of her, she hits like a truck.

[@elco-cakevinsanimationsthi735]

How did you evolve it?

[@otterfire4712]

@@elco-cakevinsanimationsthi735 They obviously traded it to another game cartridge of the same generation to evolve the Machoke into Machamp and then traded it back to the original game as the Machamp.

[@elco-cakevinsanimationsthi735]

@@otterfire4712 I know,Im just surprised how he got trustable friends 😔

[@otterfire4712]

@@elco-cakevinsanimationsthi735 they could also just trade with themselves. I have a DS and 3DS for this purpose. No need for friends to be involved.

[@elco-cakevinsanimationsthi735]

@@otterfire4712 oh tru 👌

[@MisterSatanZ]

It's true there was such a magic behind a shiny Pokémon back in generation 2 and 3, and there was definitely something special because most probably, and due to the limited access to the internet in the early 2000s, you didn't know how a shiny looked like. Now you are like ''Oh, this shiny looks nice, I'm gonna shiny hunt it'' (because you can Google it), but back then, if you encountered one, most probably you had never seen it before. You should do a video related to how special mythical Pokémon were as well, in case you haven't done one. Good job, very interesting topic.

[@AkibaMomoro]

My first shiny was a linoone in ruby and I shut off my game after because I barely KOd it

[@ttvBRich14]

I place different value on my shinies, depending on where I got them. Personally, the key to not losing that excitement of finding a shiny is never comparing myself to other people and how they got theirs. I also choose to go back and hunt in old games, and those shinies feel valuable even if the pokemon are more readily available in new games. For instance, I just reset for shiny Torchic in Sapphire and got it absurdly fast and it was immensely exciting even though I have 15 of them in Go. That's only because I don't value my RSE Torchic based on how readily available they are in Go. I do hope they give us intriguing, New, and challenging methods in the next generation of games. I do agree that sword and shield are lacking in exciting methods of hunting.

[@zyella277]

Id aslo like more guaranteed shinies for completing some tasks ike seeing all in unova dex to get the shiny haxorus in bw2

[@erikconfirmed1865]

I cought my first shiny pokemon, a bibarel, in pokemon platinum and didn't even know why it looked that weird. Growing up, for me and my brother shiny pokemon were really mysteries and cool as we didn't even fully knew what they were. Now thanks to raid battles in pokemon shield, I have two shiny lucarios, 2 shiny arcanines, like 10 shiny evees and a lot more shiny pokemon that I would've considered extremely rare as a kid. But now it's just a slight positive surprise for me whenever I see them in a raid. So yh imo the value dropped pretty hard over the last years

[@yup5581]

Shiny hunt in gen 3 and 4, if you have the patience the reward is great! I have to multi system hunt so I'm not stuck hunting the same target for a month but you still get really lucky and sometimes get then before 1-2k srs.

[@yup5581]

Currently at 10k srs for either bulbasaur or charmander in frlg. With 4 copies I can average at least 1k per day.

[@erikconfirmed1865]

@@yup5581 jeez that sounds like a lot of work haha. I have tried my luck with breeding shinys in sword using the Masuda method and got a shiny Dreepy in my second egg :D

[@yup5581]

@@erikconfirmed1865 nice congrats, I kinda got addicted and I have too many pokemon games now, I got really lucky when I started about a year and a half ago. I got my totodile in ss under odds, and my charmander in frlg way under odds. Then my eevee at 5k, then my treecko in sapphire under odds. Pretty much had some crazy luck getting 10 shinies in a row under odds. Nothing better than either getting your target super quick especially if it's a hunt you're dreading. Or when your work finally pays off and you get your target after putting in a lot of time and realizing its finally over. Glad I rediscovered my love for playing pokemon after all these years

[@yup5581]

@@erikconfirmed1865 also havent failed a shiny yet except for in let's go, which was on purpose. Not even a pooch in ruby sapphire, which I have completed the trio and have an extra treecko I'm keeping in base form.

[@thetreyceratops]

3:51 shininess is determined upon capture in Colosseum, purification doesn’t affect shinies at all, the only time the opponent can even send out a shiny that has its chances rerolled is if you’ve lost to them prior I think Shiny hunting in Colosseum is very safe, just extremely tedious

[@GoldenSunAlex]

Actually it's determined upon encounter. Once you've encountered a Shadow Pokemon, it's set for the rest of the game (ofc you won't know it's shiny till after you've caught it due to the way colo shininess works).

[@PotatoPlaysThePotatoQueen]

Me when I read the title: "Yes, to me they are... BECAUSE I'M SUPER UNLUCKY AND HAVE NEVER FOUND ONE BEFORE"

[@machodgdon]

Honestly for me I feel like shiny pokemon haven’t lost their value. This stems from the fact that I never grind for them and they always just seem to appear like the urban legends you described. That and I never do any of these events 😂

[@nibleton_]

Yeah. It’s been boiled down to a science now.

[@gregoryfuller9736]

I mean I got five shiny in days without hurting in x and y when that game first came out as I was at a tournament getting friends code and hanging out in the friends safia at the end of the game so yeah it bean easily since gen 6 at least

[@hakukahn]

It’s almost like what happens when the federal bank prints more money...

[@AndrewVaughanOfficial]

It took well over 15 years of playing, but the biggest shock I got was randomly having a Pokémon with Pokerus without any trades, that blew my mind. It’s the same with shiny Pokémon; I still remember buying a game corner Dratini and finding a pink one in my box in FireRed. It blew my mind as a kid

[@lrfishing4116]

My first shiny was on Pokemon Ruby, 1 day I randomly came across a blue trapinch and didn't realise what it was. Now I've got like 5 on pokemon go but that first one was a straight 1/8192. Definitely agree with your video!

[@SlyLeopard]

I feel like RNG Abuse tanked their value pretty hard as well

[@tanner_stone]

Personally, I dont even bother hunting in any game past gen 5, mainly bc im super stubborn and the hype of finding a 1/8192 shiny in their sprite form is incomparable

[@cooperhawk988]

I caught a shiny in Pokémon black. Unfortunately I got confused with saving back then, and thought that saving would make a new save that overwrites your old one. Then I go to my friends house on day, and his dad holds onto our DSs for us, and low and behold, he turns them off to charge them. Rip klink.

[@HydraTower]

I mean, saving does overwrite. What do you mean?

[@cooperhawk988]

@@HydraTower i thought it would delete my save I have and make a new one. I was like 7 so yeah.

[@Matthew_Murray]

Shiny Pokemon are so common now it's almost more exciting when you see someone NOT with a shiny pokemon online.

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

As long as hackmons are still possible, yes.

[@acumenium8157]

Hackers are less than .1% of Pokemon players, if .1% of players ruin your experience you're the issue, not them.

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

@@acumenium8157 they are not less than .1% of shiny pokèmon you see. Use common sense lmfao.

[@acumenium8157]

@@PrincipalSkinner3190 You should use common sense. Less than .1% of players are hackers. Why are hackers trading their shinies to other people? They're not.

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

@@acumenium8157 Actually, yes they do. And maybe .1% of TOTAL players are hackers, a much larger % of hardcore players are hackers. AKA the people still playing the games months after release.

[@acumenium8157]

@@PrincipalSkinner3190 Hardcores (battlers?) are a very minor part of long-term Pokemon players lol. Hardcores prefer singles, guess who GF caters to? Doubles. Who plays doubles? Casuals. And honestly, .1% was being generous. I highly doubt 140k people with ARs were playing Diamond and Pearl and I doubt any significant portion of said 140k were trading with others, since trading has no point if you're hacking.

[@Whatthegiggidy]

“Pokémon gen 3 (old version I think) is the hardest gen to get shinies.” **laughs in wild shiny poochyena and soft resetted shiny treecko**

[@chocolixo]

dude the only gen taht i got a shiny was gen 3

[@Enzed_]

It's actually pretty easy in emerald with early shiny frame

[@chileanyways4517]

I got into shiny hunting in gen 6 when I caught my first ever shiny, Wailmer, through chain fishing. I called her Patricia. The fact that I caught it myself and how happy I felt when getting it is what makes me love shiny hunting so much. To me, my shinies have value and always will. Because I earned them. 🥰

[@slevinchannel7589]

A NATIONS STRENGTH. The actual Combined Level or Power or Something of a Pokemon-Region and therefore its actual theoretical Military Might: This is literally something i see non-covered by all of the Poke-Tubers. ?!?

[@krookodilegang6192]

The ammount of jojo references in this video is obserd XD

[@PowerStar004]

As a kid I didn't know you could CATCH Red Gyarados. I assumed it was "a story encounter" and thus off limits like the Marowak from the pokemon tower.

[@dukeallen9072]

When he coughed at about 1:22 he showed a picture of volCORONA and I was like y the Pokémon but I get it corona

[@ChichiNaka]

lost all value by XY for me, the rampant hacking that was so so so so easy to do with just wifi in BW/BW2 then transfering them over and keeping everyone in pokebank forever I have no idea why/how people farm shiny pikachu for the 13th time for example. Once grinding became essentially the only thing on pokemon twitch the game as a whole lost part of its soul for me, it's not skill based or a happy suprise it's just sit here and run 2 steps over and over for 40 hours

[@Mqstodon]

But that was also in gold/silver, it didn't start in the new games

[@ChichiNaka]

@@Mqstodon I'd love to see the entire online/twitch/reddit community from almost 20 years ago be 99% about shiny farming. I understand shiny pokemon have been around since GS, I'm talking about the community around it, for me the youtube pokemon community peaked around Plat/HGSS when there were more guides and stuff that weren't exclusively around exploiting or shiny farming

[@Jdudec367]

I don't get how it chanegd with xy I mean I don't think you explained why that game in particular

[@ChichiNaka]

@@Jdudec367 The advent of the Pokebank easily keeping your pokemon forever across all games and now whatever its called on your phone doing the same thing, I still have the Aegislash I had in XY and no reason to ever catch another one. I loved Dexit, in a perfect world I think every Pokemon game would have it's own 200-250 pokemon and pokemon would rotate in and out of the games as they cycle, I'd love to have 2 years to miss Gengar or Nidoking or god-forbid, Charizard. it would make them coming back feel so special and birng back some of the 'i heard you can catch Ghastly in this game :o' As opposed to just having every pokemon in every game, separate topic I understand but just adding to my reasoning.

[@Jdudec367]

@@ChichiNaka eh...I mean I think it's fine having a numbr of catchable pokemon...it's not like you can just catch every pokemon in one game anyways....so I would honestly say having them in the code atleast would be fine (like what they did with gen 3 atleast...and maybe still make then transferable)

[@rolandodr98]

I mean overall, yes. There are a lot of methods to make shiny hubting easier. BUT does it matter? I still love my shiny Tyrunt and Tyrantrums that I hatched and breed myself. Did I use the shiny charm? Of course, I really want them but I don't want to lose my mind either

[@ArcadianLegend]

I agree, though I chose to breed a shiny Dreepy instead. I actually did find a shiny Tyrantrum by pure chance a week ago, though, just outside of Dyna Tree Hill.

[@raiHo15]

I think it depends on each trainer. Like if YOU know what you went through to get the Mon that is what makes it special. For example, I went through a lot of trouble to get an original Milotic from a dead battery Ruby and because of that shes very special to me despite just seeming normal to anyone else.

[@shouryasanjeev9284]

I actually encountered a shiny dialga in platinum. Didn't know what shiny pokemon were and reset the game thinking it was a glitch...

[@georgemillard777]

for me, they lost all value in gen 6 when the odds were lowered and methods were introduced. other than pokeradar in gen 4, pre gen 6 shinies are the most valuable to me personally.

[@j-t-v-ideos6583]

Me A Shiny Hunter That Never Get’s Shinys: A Shiny Is A Shiny! Also Me: Finds Shiny Flebebe On Route 4 and got it 1st Try Full Odds In Pokemon Y... On A Nuzlocke. :(

[@wentener7188]

Shiny rules tho

[@cursedtails1249]

Did you catch it?

[@j-t-v-ideos6583]

@@cursedtails1249 yes, but it died in the first fight due to area trap dugtrio

[@Mojabi_ghost]

Normal college students: *partying, working and studying* JPR: *Hatching shinies*

[@FoB952]

Priorities.

[@maxiplati4944]

i like how he got his point across without even having to talk about USUM which completely devalued a few shiny pokemon

[@onewhogetsbread9975]

How?

[@sneakrzzz8669]

My 1st shiny was in black and white 2 it was a tynamo and I was confused because it had a strange shine,as it grew i realized the colors were off. My friend screamed and told me I had a shiny electross and begged for it,to this day it’s my favorite shiny along side shiny dragapult.

[@raccaflacca9268]

The Colosseum purification part of your video is actually incorrect, as long as you get the shiny AFTER catching it, that Pokémon is permanently shiny. Purifying it doesn’t change it(:

[@cyclojunctureomnibus946]

I don't really care about the value I can quote marge on this one "I just think they're neat"

[@Twisty_26]

Are we not going to talk about how gen 8 has den exploits for guaranteed shinies?

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

Yeah but how many people have that kind of patience, and are willing to take that kind of time to skip thousands of days? If let's say you wanted an ultra shiny female Eevee with hidden ability, then you'd better have your coffee ready as you'd be lucky if it was under 10K days to skip to the shiny frame. Plus getting into other people's raids isn't all that easy either, (Depending on whether the hoster is a popular streamer or something.) You'd better have fast fingers if you want in on a raid, then you'd better pray that you catch it! And let me tell you, the catch rate on some Pokemon are atrocious! I'm looking at you, non-promo den, Shiny G Max Gengar! I lost so many Repeat Balls trying to get one!

[@assassin4714]

@@SegaDisneyUniverse honestly with all that time wasted you deserve the shiny

[@xerxer716]

dont even get me STARTED

[@peek-a-boo5190]

Not saying I'm a fan of shiny raids but I only participated it for shiny gmaxes and I gave myself a challenge to catch all of them in pokeballs which I completed after the first gmax toxtricity event many months ago. For other pokemon, I still shiny hunt for them and I'm currently doing a shiny only run in platinum where I'm only allowed to catch shinies except for a HM slave - the one and only *BIDOOF* but in the end, I still hunted for a shiny bidoof cuz having a non shiny mon in my team felt weird.

[@lemonadogirl4082]

Only if we talk about how it literally operates off of the same RNG principles that made the Karp Egg Swap trick in Gen 7 viable and how nobody seemed to give a Raticate's ass about _that_ method being in use.

[@jamesharrison2763]

My first ever Shiny, was a silver Bellsprout, outside sprout tower in Pokemon Silver... on my first play thru. He evolved into a blue weepingbell then into a Purple Victribell. I literally kept him in my team and absolutely loved bellsprout afterwards, my literal pride and joy. Gen 2 was amazing.

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

The new dynmax adventures are the funnest way to get shinies IMO. While the odds are a bit high, and its hard to hunt for specific non-legends, it is actual gameplay

[@munchcrunch4880]

idk why but i found it so funny when you said “caught every pokemon in the national dex, god rest its soul”

[@melbapeach162]

I still find shiny pokemon amazing. I'll never forget finding my first shiny, a geodude in Leaf Green, way before I knew what shinies were. Goldy the Golem will always be speical! :) I've found six total shinies now from just playing though games and it never gets old.

[@arianimates79]

My very first shiny was a shiny Solrock (I accidentally killed it) My first shiny that I caught was a shiny Magnetite My first shiny that I hatched was a shiny Pichu

[@joshuaharmon6684]

Short answer: Yes, because of Pokemon Go not being detached from the rest of Pokemon

[@kittylotus]

shorter answer: hacking exists

[@joshuaharmon6684]

@@kittylotus Even without hacking, which shouldn't be legitimized as shinies, Pokemon Go and Let's Go reduced the value of Kanto shinies dramatically

[@immegalodon9996]

The thing you gotta remember is Pokémon go still requires activity. It’s working for it in a different sense.

[@thecommentato4]

@@joshuaharmon6684 I mean, in Pokemon go you have to walk, or use an incense. I used an incense, trying to hunt for a shiny sentret, and I did get it.

[@joshuaharmon6684]

@@thecommentato4 That's because Sentret isn't a community day Pokemon

[@quqWoozWorld]

First shiny I ever saw was also the first geodude I ever saw, knocked it out encountered a few more and realized my error.

[@pastawithapast2801]

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yes, but its in braille and you need a Wailord and relincanth.

[@woopie8945]

Definitely it doesn't really feel the same getting one because if you really want a shiny someone is doing a give away/ hacking so it's not really hard anymore

[@adriancarrillo9918]

I remember getting really hyped about re-encountering a Regice enough times for it to be shiny in Emerald, despite the slight difference

[@luigiopaf9994]

In my opinion, until sword and shield, the value of shinies was pretty high, at least for me, not as high as it was in gen 2/3 but still pretty high, but now, in sword and shield, the thing that really ruined shinies for me were shinies from max raids, using the shiny seed method, now almost every raid I join has a shiny... Which really brings down the value of a shiny, that wouldn't have been a huge problem if the day skipping glitch was fixed, which is the thing that made it so easy, but it has been almost a year since the game came out and it's still there... In my opinion shinies fron raids are as good as hacked shinies, I only care about shinies I got from the wild/masuda method. it just angers me how common shinies are today only because of this one stupid glitch

[@LeapyLad]

I can't take your comment seriously with that pfp

[@despacitow2228]

I don't know man, shinies were extremely easy to get in Ultra Sun and Moon and Let's Go, I'd say even easier than Sword and Shield.

[@lecherousfish]

Despa Citow You mean from the pool of 16 you could choose in wormholes? Like the reason raiding is so bothersome is it has a really and I mean really big pool. The only thing I’m glad about is that they might shiny lock the legends that you get during raiding. Or do you mean the chaining method, because to be honest... Yeah the odds were a little high, but that’s the only method the game had to offer other than mesuda and the limited pool from the wormholes. Lets go, I didn’t play much but from what I watched it was again, eh.

[@mobious01]

Yeah what a dumb thing to say, shiny dens are a feature just like any other previous games had their own shiny ways of hunting, if you dont like it then dont join any raids and that includes the promoted dens from GF that has shiny mons in there

[@luigiopaf9994]

@@mobious01 I'm talking about getting a shiny seed and using a glitch to skip days to easily get a shiny, not shiny dens like the recent 8% shiny Pikachu raids, did you even read my comment?

[@justawildstickman1787]

You always remember your first shiny. Mine was a shiny magikarp i got while pretending to be a fisherman as a kid

[@azurill_sun]

My first shiny was, as can be inferred, an Azurill from gen 6. Sure, it was arguably at its easiest then and it only took 7 eggs, but it was the thrill of seeing one spawn for myself that makes it my favorite and stuck with me to this day

[@tmarino721]

Yes. The raid exploit has completely devalued shinies, which is why I don’t hunt shinies through raids

[@NiceOCGuy1981]

Is that considered hacking?

[@Typi]

Tamago no Atama No. It just abuses SwSh's time reset mechanics, which COULD be fixed, but Gamefreak tends to not to go back and fix glitches, unless they are downright gamebreaking.

[@NiceOCGuy1981]

@@Typi ok, so it's cheating then.

[@Typi]

Tamago no Atama Technically no? Again, it does not use any outside software or program to make happen. The method is programmed into the game itself, however people have just found a way to speed it up an insane amount by using a glitch, which anyone can do easily.

[@lemonadogirl4082]

So you feel the same about any shiny hatched via Karp egg swap? Because newsflash: that's the _exact same RNG mechanics_

[@bigpappaplays3002]

The comment about Colosseum isn’t true,when you purify it,it will always retain its shiny form. The glitch is when you catch a shiny shadow Pokémon,the game rerolls it’s shinyness when it’s added to your party/or pc

[@alexabarca6248]

Well you are right about the first part, but not the second part.

[@jksplays_gvo]

At 6:44 ... "You want shiny Pokemon? We'll give you shiny Pokemon!" Best part of the whole video!

[@fuji3018]

Me who has never owned a shiny: Interesting

[@LookingTheBest]

You never ran into one ever? I remember my first was on Emerald. I'm thinking about transferring him to Shield. Your first shiny randomly found is always the most valuable.

[@fuji3018]

@@LookingTheBest no I haven’t

[@jenniferleonard1]

I loved how magikarp (shiny) was so rare, it made me so happy when I got mine about two years ago. (Pokémon Go) but then of course, they make a community day for it. I get that it’s great for all the people who didn’t have it, but they just made one of the rarest shinies worthless

[@lantearia]

*casually browsing KZbin and sees video uploading seconds ago* Nice!

[@PhilfreezeCH]

The first shiny I caught was a red Garados.... in Sapphire!

[@furby9284]

My first shiny was a red Gyarados in Shield 😭

[@slevinchannel7589]

A NATIONS STRENGTH. The actual Combined Level or Power or Something of a Pokemon-Region and therefore its actual theoretical Military Might?!?

[@michaelnelson1127]

While I will say it is easier to find shinies in the newer games, I still get super excited whenever I catch or hatch one. I’ve even gotten into the habit of not updating my wild area spawns after a shiny event until I’ve caught at least 1. Also I’ve actually had a similar experience to your 1st-egg Falinks, only mine was a 1st-egg (Adamant) Machop in Sun, which is my friends’ favorite Pokémon (well technically it’s Machamp, but still), and he was extremely jealous. I’ll also never forget when I found a shiny Gastly in Sun before the first trial! My point is, if I encounter a shiny without any outside help, I consider it a great achievement. Thanks for reading all the way through, and I hope you have a nice day.

[@Alvaro-qz6qk]

I played 12 years of Pokémon, and I encountered 4 wild Shiny Pokémon randomly on those 12 years. Now all the kids have one. Lol

[@AdeptCharon]

"if you catch a shiny Gyarados in gen4 it's basically worthless thanks to HGSS" That makes no sense to me. The fact that it was caught by natural shiny rate makes it inherently way more valueable than the guaranteed shiny Gyarados from HGSS, precisely BECAUSE it was not guaranteed. If it makes no difference then I have no idea what "value" this video is even talking about, but it seems to be a very specific one? Like, bragging rights in situations where you can't show the origin?

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

A Shiny Pokemon can certainly have more value to you personally if you caught one with natural rates. However, most people are going to look at that same Red Gyarados, regardless of how it was caught, and not see anything special because nearly everyone has a Red Gyarados. That's just my viewpoint though, the value is certainly in the eye of the beholder.

[@gregoryfuller9736]

Yea that stupid ways to think I caught a shiny axew in black and leveled it up to haxours because it looks badass I actually didn’t know about the free shiny haxours until x and y was out I was watching a KZbin played black and white.

[@JO-iv7tl]

I barely caught my first shiny in gen 7. I hatched my first shiny in gen 8.

[@insertmeme1529]

When Let's Go released, I was going into route 9 (the route between Lavender Town and Saffron City) I found a shiny Arcanine just walking around in the grass That was the first (and only) shiny pokemon I got without events or by trade

[@amvcity6076]

That reminds me of when I was on my way to beat Brock and a shiny ratatta just hopped out and was Like Yo what’s up and that’s why Ratatta is a decent Pokémon in my eyes

[@insertmeme1529]

@@amvcity6076 Ratatta Line is really cool super useful in early game with Hyper Fang. Stats are decent, but might not be as viable in the very late game, but I guess Pikachu is, so what do I know!

[@amvcity6076]

Hey if you have Sheild give me your friend code I’d be willing to give you a shiny you seem cool

[@Shinntoku]

imo better shiny odds have made shiny hunting vastly more accessible. I would never have had the stamina for shiny hunting in older games, but here I am now, shiny hunting every legendary in the crown tundra

[@officersoulknight6321]

I put Pokémon Go shinies in a separate category; In the summary screen in sw/Sh, you can see the game the Pokémon came from, so you know the shiny odds and how the Pokémon was most likely obtained.

[@slevinchannel7589]

A NATIONS STRENGTH. The actual Combined Level or Power or Something of a Pokemon-Region and therefore its actual theoretical Military Might: This is literally something i see non-covered by all of the Poke-Tubers. ?!?

[@eviltim5879]

Tbh I feel like their acquisition being made easier in recent years was definitely the right move. For one thing it's original odds of 1/8192 was ludicrous and while I understand that it did make it really special when you did see one I would argue that in some cases those odds might have been far too high for something that only meant being a different color :P I mean hell I remember discovering that shinies even existed well after they were released in gen 2 despite playing a pretty good amount of every game that has come out. My first shiny was in a replay of crystal several years after it's release and being well into gen 4 maybe even gen 5's sequels. All I'm saying is that while by a technical standard of simple probability, yes, shinies are less valuable. However, I don't think this should take away from the occasion of getting them even in the case of shiny charm + masuda method. 1/512 is still wildly rare in the grand scheme of things and given the nature of probability the 1/512 is still high enough to go WELL over odds quite often. All I'm saying is, with the old odds of 1/8192 and no usable methods you couldn't even realistically target shinies without actually wasting your life and I feel like thats a problem worth making them occur even a little more often.

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

Definitely. If you had one in Gens 2-3, you were legendary. Nowadays, they're no more than an alternate color option.

[@husch05]

Getting shinys in Gen 2 is super easy. All you need is your shiny Gyarados and a pokemon which you can breed with it. From there on you can chain breed until you get your desired shiny.

[@pyrite2084]

I'd rather find other things to look at than flexed shineys.

[@shinobi197]

I was doing a professor oak challenge in my saphire ver recently, I caught a shiny whishmur while training a magikarp, never gonna forget that since I've only ever caught 1 other shiny in gen 3, and that was like a year after the game came out. shinys are cool 😎

[@Dirakiaa]

Shinies DEFINITELY deteriorated hard. I would say at around XY due to Hacking becoming super normal nowadays...

[@legomanwhohateskpop1532]

For me shinies have no trade value, a lot of people cheating in their shinies kinda lost me value. But the only shinies I even value are the ones I find since I like seeing my OT on the shiny is what makes me value them. It’s nice seeing my “Requis” name

[@MayHugger]

I can't appreciate something as rare or valuable when literally everyone I see has it.

[@LaserFocusProduction]

Shiny Pokémon have become the participation medal of Pokémon, change my mind.

[@shapeswitch_mood7221]

Everytime I see shinies online, I wonder "Yeah did he cheat that in? What's the point?" And that is why I lost value for them. There is so much cheated shinies on the market that it feels worthless to even have one. No more "Wow! He has a shiny, the mad lad!" ...

[@lakerfan2874]

Remember when Action Replay was still a thing of awesomeness? Now it's just a black market that says they're legal business or legal tender but they're not. I know what the Action Replay was running off of, it's just sad that the post cheat code world turned into a black market of thieves and gullibility.

[@niggimatt]

Best thing in XY was the fact that if the ID of an egg matched the trainer ID it's guaranteed shiny. It made breeding and trading in groups so much fun. Pulling out a 6IV Shiny Protean Greninja in battles was so much fun.