Are Star Trek Fighters Really fighters?

[@bigfootwalker5399]

They are more like gunboats and torpedoboats

[@trekwars5400]

That is a very good distinction thank you

[@gbb7vc]

A Runabout should be classified as a cutter.

[@jozenthejozarian2564]

It could be purposed for cutter duty or up-armed to corvette duty, really.

[@CoronisAdair]

From what I understand about the Star Trek universe, the big problem in making anything the size of a shuttle capable of combating a full-on starship is power generation. The starship is simply capable of generating and using many orders of magnitude more power than anything shuttle-sized. Now, it appears that by the time of the Dominion war, miniturization and overall technological development had made shuttle/runabout sized platforms capable of being a genuine threat to a starship, particularly when used en mass.

[@J_n..]

The Shuttles are similar to a ships boat. If you want something more capable than a ships boat, you've had to ad more options/parts to your boat.

[@johnellis3383]

As soon as you mentioned the potential damage output of a Constellation Class with fighters is close to a Sovereign I knew there was a catch. Damage output does not mean that damage can even reach an enemy not to mention the counter attack from the Sovereign lol

[@trekwars5400]

Yeah, the sovereign's e. M. C. It's probably pretty overwhelming. Not to mention it's targeting. Computers are probably phenomenal. Probably blast most of them before they Ever Got into range

[@tim2024-df5fu]

Modern fighter's are as big as WW2 bombers and can carry a heavier bomb load. I'd expect a "space-fighter" to be similar in size to B52, just with guns and a lot more missiles with a similar sized crew.

[@LancetFencing]

I would imagine that the size of the fighter being smaller is capable of being hidden by targeting sensors more easily so the pinpoint accuracy of most cruiser type ships when targeting fighters is not the case when it comes to these fighter Kraft as they’re jamming capability is much more effective due to their sizeand geometry

[@trekwars5400]

I don't not sure about that. There's an episode of Star Trek next generation where they target little small Ships coming in from a weak minor race and they killed him within seconds. And they were using fighters. So Size doesn't matter. It's all about electric counter measures. But maybe you're right that the ECM is stronger because it's smaller maybe

[@damongraham1398]

I just recently found out about Section 31 secret fleet. Yes, I did watch STDSC but I must have missed an episode. Did not have Paramount+ till later. I was wondering if they made a Defiant class that looked like the size of a Galaxy class saucer section but instead that extra size were a drone swarm. Once that swarm was deployed the framework that was left exposed becomes ablative armor for the regular(or close enough for government work) sized Defiant class variant? How many drones would it take to equal the power to give a Sovereign class a run for it's money? I understand that's probably too much. How about how many drones just to fit in the middle or the very end of your carrier/fighter scale?

[@trekwars5400]

Well as far as a larger ship like the defiant the Prometheus class. And then comparing the defiance it depends which define and what time period does the first defiance were significantly weaker than the defiant during the Dominion War it had some kind of upgrade to its Shields are enormous. If I was guessing headcanon I would say 3 to 4 defiance could take on One sovereign

[@damongraham1398]

@@trekwars5400 3 to 4 Defiants with or without the drone swarms? I think you are asking if the Defiant would be as large as the Prometheus? No, not that big. Only as big as the saucer section of the Enterprise D with the drones still attached. Once all the drones are launched, the framework holding them which is made from ablative armor is reforms around the starship reducing it's overall size.

[@jp2793]

The name could change based off the role assigned to the ship. As a military vessel I think best fit is corvette. If it’s similar to the coastguard then cutters seem appropriate. As today we try to make the mission sound friendlier than the navy.

[@ilejovcevski79]

It's the other way around actually. ECM - electronic counter measures, is what defends a ship from a guided weapon attack, ECCM - electronic counter countermeasures is what enables a weapon to attack ECM defended targets.

[@chrislaf89]

I'm glad to see someone brought up the correction. That really bothered me to hear it said opposite to what it actually is.

[@ilejovcevski79]

@@chrislaf89 my pleasure. Old timer aircraft simulation enthusiast here! These things come by nature to us :D

[@chrislaf89]

@@ilejovcevski79 I was in naval aviation, so it's a bit close to the heart for me. I actually went back and listened again to verify what I had heard, because I didn't think someone could get it that backwards

[@ilejovcevski79]

@@chrislaf89 it hits even closer to home for you then!

[@chrislaf89]

@ Quite so. Other then using the wrong acronym, he isn't overly incorrect though. You have your normal targeting systems, enemy has ECM to jam it, and you have your own ECCM to combat against the enemy ECM jamming your targeting. It's an interesting arms race.

[@michaelminden2482]

Three things to ponder. 1) Resource alocation: EG how many peregrines can you build for the cost of one Miranda? 2)Combat effectiveness: EG how many peregrines = that Miranda for firepower. 3) Human cost: You would have to lose a lot of Peregrines to equal the destruction of one "flying coffin" Miranda.

[@larqven0192]

To me, runabouts are definitely mini starships. They move well into slow starship range, have shields, weapons and sensors, despite being intended for more peaceful, utility pursuits. And they have their own registry numbers. There is a sense that Next Gen was all about starships getting BIG. But one might just as easily argue that starships got small with the addition of various runabouts and ships like the Aerie Class (the Raven). I tend to think that shuttles operate off of 'battery' power or exotic fuel as opposed to antimatter warp cores. The fighters probably being the same way, but that ought to limit how much hurt they could do, so fighters intended to hunt starships and break through shields and structural integrity fields would probably need a warp core to keep up and bring on the hurt through phasers. Achieving basic warp isn't all that difficult, so shuttles could operate in system no problem, but the multi warp factors require increased levels of tech and exponential increases of power requiring antimatter. That's a big difference, and a risk in storing sub-ships where each is a potential bomb.

[@jaredcolon4535]

Well if it has a scaled-down quantum singularity drive like the warbirds do that doesn't necessarily translate that it will have a fire power equivalent for a disruptor bolt it's probably has say maybe either 1/3 or 1/4 the disruptor bolt capability because remember if the quantum singularity Drive is a scaled-down version it doesn't mean that it's outputting the same amount of power as a full-size warbirds quantum singularity Drive

[@ludgerwillgaster2095]

Love the cobra logo on the nose of one ship. So we know who won between cobra and Joe in their universe

[@jeffhallam2004]

I don’t play STO although I know I’d like it but I really enjoy your videos! Thanks!

[@trekwars5400]

Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoy them!

[@jeffhallam2004]

@ it’s a great time watching.

[@jeffhallam2004]

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[@trekwars5400]

@jeffhallam2004 Trek wars has membership. But I don't personally have a PayPal or anything I should set one up

[@jeffhallam2004]

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[@PhilDrury]

Frankly, the Constellation class is the closest thing the Federation has in canon to an OG Battlestar.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Ive always seen federation fighters as more like fast bombers, since they have more armor than what most would normally see as fighters, usually. or atleast flying humvees the runabouts atleast

[@ORANGEACRYLICsideflectorollens]

i used to call my vid game internet ch for netrek "trek wars" or i did a story named that or something i forget but this was eons ago nice to knw the name still exists ; )

[@trekwars5400]

Sweet, if you have a link to your old trek wars, I'd love to see it. You came up with a fantastic name, by the way.🎉🎉

[@Hazmatt4700]

Trek really is missing most of what would be in the light ship category. It's either 1/2 crew or 100+ crew. I've been doing prep work to run a small team ST table top game and there aren't a lot of ships out there that are for things like crew transfer. Probably a good argument for keeping hulls like the Miranda around. Old and slow, but with modernized automation she can be used by a small crew for transport duty or 'coast guard' cutter duties.

[@AgeCobra]

Did you play Starfleet command 1 and 2 if so cool .

[@trekwars5400]

I sure do but my personal favorite is Armada 3 and birth of the Federation original mod

[@knightmarethe1st]

What about the Delta Flyer? It might fit into this class if a Runabout would.

[@jaredcolon4535]

Those birds of prey attacking Deep Space Nine were not Fighters they were clearly depicted as full scale birds of prey

[@AlexRomero-f1s]

The best star trek fighters are in the game invasion for the first gen PlayStation

[@ZeroDarkness-]

And it's carrier that basically bigger version of Defiant

[@trekwars5400]

Oh my gosh I completely forgot about that game

[@gerhardsteenkamp8759]

Ju vorgoten the federation scout ship!!!