Are The FNAF Books ACTUALLY Canon To The Games? | Help Wanted 2 DLC

[@LiMe251]

Fun fact: The van ending is apparently called "whocausedeverything" in the files, this is believed to be a reference to the vehicle that hit David in The Mimic.

[@kerosarriola5979]

"whocausedeverything"..."A wound first inflicted on me"... First, since Henry's dialogue about William is part of a non-canon ending, I'm more than willing to concede that the whole " A wound first inflicted on me" thing isn't canon. BUT, in the event that it is, SPOILERS FOR THE SILVER EYES TRILOGY AND MAYBE SECRET OF THE MIMIC IF MY IDEA IS RIGHT Is there a world where the Marionette (I won't call her Charlie until her name is confirmed, don't @ me) is a twin like Charlie was in the first book until THAT TWIST, and the twin was the one hit by the van in the game timeline instead of David, and is it possible that this twin is Cassidy? I have absolutely no evidence, and am more than likely wrong, but I just wanted to throw a thought out into the universe for more analytical minds to consider.

[@Matsuro_75]

Interesting

[@Thiagowilliam]

Interesting

[@EeveesGuild]

Interesting

[@RangeCMYK]

Interesting

[@zoeandrews7422]

wait i LOVED the intro. The hair sticking out, the reload sounds of the VR headset dropping onto Ash’s face, the music, the air of “find out more on this next segment-“ type of thing, more of that please !!

[@Amber-g4g7c]

yeshshh agree!

[@HirokiCafe]

You missed it! Once you complete the jigsaw puzzle and go back to the main stage area to view the animatronics and stuff, Jackie will appear in the stand where you choose what animatronic you want to look at!

[@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007]

Yeah I haven’t seen fuhnaff’s full Stream so I don’t know about him but Dawko is the only one who actually went to the stage and saw the Jackie animatronic everyone else seems to have missed it (despite fusion having the animatronic model on his thumbnail)

[@ciboria1]

​@@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007 Ryetoast got it as well

[@fiovingellii]

@@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007 also fuhnaff saw it

[@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007]

@ oh I only saw the start of fuhnaff’s stream, so 2 have seen it and 2 haven’t (at least from what I saw because there’s a chance more KZbinrs have seen the animatronic Jackie)

[@fiovingellii]

@@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007 he saw it bc chat told him too also!

[@1the_star_stream1]

Ash’s hair poking out in the intro was so cute. 😂

[@BendysWifeButDivorced]

...?

[@AYoutubeAcount]

...

[@TheLilPorkChop]

true and real

[@AnnaMayStudios]

Her small screams were cute to me

[@267BR]

bro what 😂 where else is it gonna go

[@zoe_sella]

I am obsessed with Ashes sweater in this video. also not me screaming about the hit part with the mimic. Mystic Hippo was saying how tomatoes are in short supply: "One true hit, will sure make them cry" (aka booing a performer off the stage with tomatoes and other objects)

[@woteveruk1]

i said in this in a previous video where she wore that jumper, i just wanna undo all the bows, thats all i think when i see that jumper, that it would have to feel so satisfying to sit there and undo each bow 🤣😅

[@margarine4error46]

Right?!? It's enough to make me want to search for a pattern on Etsy just to make a bow sweater :)

[@thelivingtheater]

Can Ash now be "The Live Theorist", and we can be their ant army waiting for the perfect moment to strike?

[@garettjohnson6978]

"I would dare to say everything that's ever happened is in the past" Dude I love Sam so much 😂

[@ItisJasmine27]

😂

[@springlockstudios7475]

Mimic: I go by many names, Glitchtrap, TigerRock, Paper Plate Guy?? Dude: Evil dirtbag with a chainsaw? Mimic: WHY YES! *and that ones my favorite*

[@Hellothisislondynn]

*stabs with chainsaw*

[@strelitziamystery21]

You're going to burn for that

[@apparentlyadork]

Looks like I brought the right tool for the job

[@Muho_is_me]

**activates a flame thrower becouse you can never be too safe at Freddy fazbears**

[@ariaphoenix2760]

And as always, we here at the Theorist Channels come back to FNAF. I remember watching Ash guide Mat through this game, it feels full circle to see them play it themselves!

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

@@ariaphoenix2760them? Is Ash nonbinary?

[@ariaphoenix2760]

@ As far as I know, Ash uses they/she pronouns, so kinda? I don’t think she’s put a label on it so I won’t either.

[@fairfathom]

So worth noting: the song that box plays is a weird one about an old man growing up with his clock until "the clock stopped, never to start again when the old man died". My dad had a clock toy from his childhood that played that song, it was cute before but now... weird...

[@natertot736]

It's the same song as from fnaf 2 that they use for the puppet right? I remember people trying to find a meaning for it then but im pretty sure it just got picked for being a spooky music box song

[@octonine6212]

​@@natertot736 yeah, it's the puppet music box

[@gabriellockwood2780]

"My/Grandfather's Clock"

[@fairfathom]

@@octonine6212 yep- just good to remember that even that detail is more references to dying people. Such a cheery game lol. Though a fitting song- the game's clock stops never to start again when the security guard dies..

[@SeraphEChasted_3]

You know it kinda feels nice knowing that Mat didn't have to wait to see any of this he probably watched Dawko's video the same day it came out heck he might even be at the premiere of TADC episode 4 tomorrow instead of having to wait 2 weeks who knows it just feels nice to know that he gets to appreciate these things at the same time as way more people than before

[@amberfirewolf2875]

for @GTLive the mysitc said at 8:08 to 8:23 "A performer must be spry, tomatoes' are in short supply. We toss what maybe by, A solid hit will make one cry."

[@JoshuaDMSE]

Not sure if this has been noticed already, but at the end when you see MXES after typing in the code, you are not wearing the mask. This would imply there's maybe another 'layer' to it that might be explored? (or just an oversight ofcs) you can see the mask on the table at 35:17

[@thepixelman4776]

The PQ ending in this game also technically took place in non-mask world. I think it’s that either it’s just the occipital lobe thing discreetly altering perception, or more likely the player (almost certainly Cassie’s dad) is already in some digital state of being or something given he’s apparently seeing through maskbot.

[@GendoRokabundi]

There is a constant theme of inception style going multiple levels deep with VR/AR.

[@kerosarriola5979]

Yeah, I thought that was weird, too. I don't know what hurts my brain more, the AR stuff, or the timeline.

[@sofiabelenmaciel438]

I remember when ash tried to help matpat when he was playing fnaf vr 2, and now she's the one playing fnaf vr 2 😢 it happened so fast

[@Axolotl_lover2024]

‘Lions and Tigers and Bears! Oh my!’ Unlocked the whole jitter bug dance memories as I was Toto for a school play😊

[@YaBoiHue]

35:22 how can y’all call Ash swagless after seeing those dance moves? Quirky, certainly, but swagless? I think not

[@Hippogriff201]

Seeing ash dance to scorched cranberries was so cool but fr it’s a bop

[@LegoM8]

Don’t know if they say this later in the video, but the logo on the puzzle is the same on the top of the building

[@woteveruk1]

31:00 i could be mistaken but im pretty sure the design above the stained glass, the small circle inside the large circle, is a design to show an eclipse, so you have sun, moon, freddy, bonnie and eclipse also to me that building is giving repurposed church, like someone took a church and modified it

[@DonumADeo]

Huh, so a combo of Circus theme and Wacky Willy Wonka factory? Would be crazy if William is ultimately a stand-in for Charlie Bucket, inherited the chocolate factory as it were, back in the 70s...

[@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007]

Anyone else remember when ash accidentally terrified mat when they tried fixing his mic when he played the main help wanted 2 game (that was hilarious and probably one of the most hilarious moments in my opinion)

[@mgames7856]

8:08 mrs hippo say "a poor peformer must be spry tomatoes are in a short supply we toss whatever may be by a solid hit will make one cry"

[@scaper8]

The chapter title, "Dat Ash." Oh, perfection, LOL

[@Ky-kx2hd]

The mimic has mismatched legs and arms... I wonder if this is a suit it assembled from two decaying ones?

[@LiMe251]

It's a combination of the suits in RUIN.

[@gameslayer3976]

Spot on! We’ve know this since Ruin, but it’s an amalgam suit designed to crudely resemble Gregory.

[@David-g6o]

She’s tactically armed for remnant extraction

[@schaschia6332]

11:00 The silent implication the we're just lil figurines in ashes view and ashes view alone brings back pseudo-schizophrenia memories

[@the-X-Guy]

I'd like to be the red one

[@DontStarveEnjoyer]

I WAS LATE TO REMIND YOU WHAT MATPAT SAID 2 WEEKS BEFORE RETIREMENT!!! HE SAID "We should play Dont Starve Together," AFTER HE READ MY MESSAGE ASKING FOR IT TO BE PLAYED ON THIS CHANNEL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@rcpolygons]

Wooooo more FNAF from GtLive. Hyped for secrets of the mimic.

[@NurmiSimo]

In Ruin, you learn that Helpi attaches a piece to your brain so that you're never sure what's going on.

[@Radio__Static]

Whoever named the main gameplay bookmark "Dat Ash" is wildin'

[@ChelleBelleGurrl]

Ash's first official fnaf game play on GTLive ❤

[@Cawziiku]

MY NAME IS EDWIN. I MADE THE MIMIC. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER 🗣🗣🗣‼‼

[@Th3_bak3ry]

Wait fr?

[@AliceBaudoin-e5i]

Omg slay

[@kayden232ou]

​@@AliceBaudoin-e5ithe princess 🎉

[@Eat_Donuts]

Hey didn’t you say this on Dawko’s video

[@S0ym1lk.page_]

MY NAME IS DAVID, YEAH, I WANT SOME ICE CREAM, DAVID THAT IS MY NAME,DAVID I WANT ANOTHER DAVID, WHERE IS MY BALLLL?? IM RUNNING OUT IN THE ROAD, THERE IS A CARRRR, AND IT IS GOING TO HIT ME AHHHHHH

[@Tobias-ri1ft]

COLD OPEN SLAYYYYYY 0:32

[@Sunny-the-animator]

Please play mouthwashing IAM BEGGING YOU PLEASE PLEASEEEE

[@Cawziiku]

I SECOND THIS

[@Thevilwizard]

OH GOD YES PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[@isaacoliveira2046]

YES

[@P.GREYBarnett]

Not with the foul side of the fanbase most of yall are fine its just the select few

[@harperstevenson2752]

@P.GREYBarnettthose kinda ppl exist in every fandom bro

[@OkayYaraman]

I’m happy to see Ash starting to play some VR, even if it’s just more FNAF, but they really need to learn keep their head still. 😵‍💫

[@emmalemmadingdong69]

Agreed, I loved their enthusiasm but it was difficult to concentrate when the screen kept jittering 😅 I'm sure they'll get better at it as time goes on, I can't wait to see more!

[@aqecia]

Ash’s hair poking out from the headset in the intro was so funny😭😂

[@QuarterCal]

Ash's asking the real questions. This is going to be great

[@akivaarchives]

A singular greeting to you, Ash

[@roxannology]

YESS FINALLY 💥💥 waited 1h40m for this 😔

[@HaddzCrepper]

what if double vision created the vanny masks, therefore making the puzzles, the masks and puzzles being toys, and the factory does say masks. and it's name is double vision which is kinda funny

[@TheRealQuestioner]

HOW DARE THE KZbin ALGORITHM HIDE THIS FROM ME FOR 1 minute

[@goob12309]

That intro was fire 🔥

[@milly7843]

...I was really hoping that Mat would come back every now and then for the "big" games he has covered for so long, like how Steph always came back for Kindergarten. I love Ash, so please don't get me wrong, they are adorable and I think they're doing wonderfully, but this is a game that doesn't feel right without him, if that makes sense...

[@callmebrody]

He probably will in the future but it’s barley even a DLC it’s just some extra lore he might come back for something like secrets of the mimic or chapter 4 of poppy playtime

[@FoxyLover-x3s]

ash broke the game a bit because when she touched the mimic statue it triggerd the door to open when she was supposed to throgh something at it

[@artimis5158]

Personally for me, masks has always been associated with the bully masks, I'm wondering if this is where the bullies got their masks? Maybe Edwin made masks, and the bullies bought them there? Definitely a reach but it's what my mind went to.

[@leristamerello8225]

Okay, that is a cute sweater....I got nothin' else, just a random remark.

[@aqecia]

I’m obsessed with Ash’s sweater in this video!! Its so *coquette* 🎀

[@Randommmmmmmmm]

1:56 ITS BEEN THAT LONG?!?!?!?

[@piggyfan6353]

Yeah, its been so short

[@goatafton1447]

Fun fact: if you go back to the stage after that ending, you can see a Jackie model

[@Skyehye3113]

‘You talking to me’ ‘Yes the other person in the room’ THE SAS ash you will always be famous

[@MetalMockingjay]

Ah yes, the GTLive classic: "We lost our save data so I played through the entire game again before recording"

[@xxhayitskayxx3568]

Not Ash having to grind through the whole game 😭😭😭 They’re dedicated asf 😭

[@dottthemovie]

I WANT TO SEE ASH PLAY SECRET OF THE MIMIC NEXT YEAR

[@cybersaur7394]

I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves. William Afton first debuted in the books as the name of the murderer, but was later canonized by Sister Location. The mimic having a Tiger Rock plush doesn't wholesale canonize Tales from the PizzaPlex, just that specific aspect of the character.

[@volpe2077]

Yooooo, Help Wanted 2 LET'S GOOO!!

[@AlexGonzalez-ek5qo]

Hey if ur interested in checking out more fnaf content, might I suggest ooftroops undeniably fnaf canon timeline? It’s a pretty compelling series

[@ethanpretre1113]

Since the HyperDroid video about the Crying Child’s name most likely being Dave - it's fully convinced me that Edwin is a stand in or parallel for William Afton and David is the same for the Crying Child. Possibly a mix of them and Henry/Charlotte as well. I’m not keen on entertaining the idea that the Mimic is invented by Edwin but emulates William for funnsies.

[@joshreddy4359]

Sam and Ash's dialogues are goated

[@DaBoiHunter]

Never been this early, already starting off good

[@bushbakedbean420]

Sam quoting A milli by lil wayne is the best thing ive experienced today.

[@Idekwhattoputhere-fn1to]

getting interrupted watching yesterday's stream by a notification to this. life is good

[@flaire104]

Hi Ash and Sam! That sweater rocks!

[@Rubberduckfanatic]

I just started the episode and this looks like it'll be very chaotic

[@smileyfry2314]

MOUTHWASHING PLEASE GTLIVE PLEASE. I’LL DO ANYTHING!!!

[@-RabidRaccoon-]

IM READY

[@Ky-kx2hd]

ME TOO

[@FNAFhomie]

SAME

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

Ok Spongebob

[@Hayatonyaaa]

Man, I love Mat still, but Ash (and Sam!) brings a breath of fresh air and uncomplicated delight to the theorist community and I just cannot get enough.

[@SuperCommando567]

0:00 It’s Super Ash!! Coming to Theooriiize about FNAF!!!!

[@Spookworm]

20:08 It feels vaguely Scandinavian, ngl

[@Coolcats77]

Yaaaaaaaaaay I’m here for the GT Live

[@LittleMarin]

I recently learned that there was a Chuck E Cheese animitronic called "The King," and it was a lion that looked like Elvis. It also was eventually changed to look more like Michael Jackson to try to keep up with what was popular in music at the time.

[@BeautyBelle5678]

*Fnaf VR 2 is back!!* 😭🙏

[@BoKnowsDiddly]

Love ya Ash! You’re such a fun host! Love your bubbly personality!

[@DirtyMelerdy]

Tom better be thinking “yea bc I am” 0:06

[@Avengerstheorist]

I like that Ash acknowledges she’s not the great MatPat but she is trying her best to live up to his legacy. Respect ✊ 🫵

[@GlimGrim]

ofc the books are canon good update steel wool W

[@marisab123]

really interesting update!! It was great to get your interpretations and theorising about the future of Fnaf in relation to the books :D

[@AshHiggins-ft5qx]

I love ash’s shirt so much!! She’s so pretty

[@Spookworm]

TIGER PLUSHIE HAS VANNY EYES 👀

[@Bunny26839]

When I started this video it had been up for 17 seconds and there were only 2 views. Now it’s 2 minutes up and there are 880 views. Let’s go theorists!🎉

[@electrobob992]

I would remember that the books have some crazy lore that DON'T exist in the games. One huge thing: A player, a MALE character physically gives BIRTH to Glitchtrap in one of the books. *Scott mentioned this scene specifically during an interview* Another... In the books, William Afton survives being springlocked, no possession or anything. He survives as a human. Period. This being one of the reasons Glitchtrap was different, no parts of him would have fragmented. The game lore and the book lore is similar but different. Parallel universes so to speak. When I said fragmented, I meant it because in the games... Only 5 kids were murdered, those souls possessed all the sets. In FNAF 2 and Sister Location we found that EVERY piece of an animatronic would contained the possessed souls. Ergo a Bolt from Freddy, could be put into a brand new animatronic that was never possessed and it would result in BOTH being possessed by the same kid.

[@Sonic-Batman]

Now it’s Ash’s turn‼️‼️‼️

[@jeremymorris345]

Hey, I just want to say of the bat, great video. I especially love the sit down at the end. I do want to talk about the book continuity, though. I don't think seeing things from the books is enough to say they are in continuity, at least not 100% the same. If that was the case, TalesGames would have been proven as soon as we saw the Mimic in Ruin. We have seen books be adapted to the game with Into the Pit and they weren't 1 to 1 with the books. (Not here to discuss if that's game continuity, the point is it wasn't 1 to 1). There is also just blaint contradictions. Hippo Magnet is a famous one. VIP contradicting Storyteller. The Storyteller Tree being strangely missing or never talked about (plus the Puppet arm throughout the building seems to be the games version of the Tree as I think John pointed out). And the dates in the books just don't seem to make any sense with the dates in the game like 2035. Obviously some of the book stuff is game continuity but I don't think it's accurate to say it's 1 to 1. I think TalesReboot is more likely.

[@zachtheraven5007]

The books are the creator himself explained that tales are connected to the games in the Epilogues especially because the mimic finds a mangled animal costume and wears it I agree they are completely the same but have you heard of adaptations they don't have to be the same they just have to be similar

[@JennyShull]

•Mystic Hippo: “A Gift/Sometging Awaits you in the distant past.” “Take Two.” “Some advice for you second night. 1979.” “Performer is ready to take a bow.” Says Nothing. (Because of Tiger Rock plushy and the Mimic on stage?) • 1:31, 12:24 Out Of Order Sign. If Mystic Hippo is Out of Order (aka not working). How is Mystic Hippo talking? •FNAF: Play God and die. •The Mimic on Stage replaces Mystic Hippo as Quest Giver. But the Mimic speaks softly in small words. Listen carefully and closely. •I think bathroom sink drains are only ment for water. Might have to wash hands in the tub shower. And brush teeth in tub shower or over toilet. Toothpaste, soap, mouth wash, any thing that is not water might damage bathroom sink drain. • Lol😂 Lasagna quietly moving in the shadows. With Garfield in pursuit. •FNAF: Five Nights of Whoes on First. •Purple rabbits live on the moon.

[@Sky_The_Dragon]

We love you Ash ❤❤❤ Like Matpat said, anyone can be a theorist. You are a game theorist. We love you :3

[@iiLowFyyyeii]

0:00 I haven't even started the video yet and my timbers have already been shivered

[@traehignight]

Frankly Talesgames was common sense. Never got how people actually debated against it.

[@TabbyStar8462]

That intro was incredible!😄

[@cecildedworth]

Sam - "Is that the van?" Ash - "It is, it is. I'm not done." Love this!

[@MissMarigold32]

Stick your head through tiger rock His neck looks squishy

[@seraphonica]

excellent opening. dominance asserted.

[@ObsessiveSting]

The Van License Plate... There was something on it but I couldn't see it here... Anyone know if it is anything?

[@Ka1MyGuy]

Is Tiger rock supposed to be based on the real life King animatronic, which is a Chuck E. Cheese animatronic from the cabaret stage days. He was most literally a lion in an Elvis costume. (Later turned into the king animatronic which was a reskin into Micheal Jackson-Lion)

[@ellytrabread]

15:08 perfectly timed ad break, no notes "it's back"

[@AletuatheFallen]

The wagon in the stained glass window reminds me of a traveling performers wagon, where one side opens up for a puppet show. The side of the wagon facing us looks like it could have a curtain with a recessed stage in the glass, but that's just what I see. They could have started there before growing into a full-blown circus, possibly. Sun and Moon do have strong old wooden puppet vibes to them.

[@Jenson_Beach]

So as a tip, if you place a fan, or anything that blows wind I suppose, when in vr, you'll always have a reference for which way you are facing. You can also place a carpet by your feet if you wish to set a boundary for where you can step.

[@twinkiemonster4412]

LOOOOOOVE the intro, oh my goodness.

[@taylor.wilkinson03]

I'd like to point out that even the puzzle itself is from the 70s-80s era again hinting toward the time period of the upcoming game. I know this because my grandma has kept a bunch of the puzzles she'd bought my mom and aunt back when they were kids around the 70s and 80s. If it means anything- they are also all Disney-themed🤔

[@PlushMari]

That intro was too cool with the VR flip

[@lydialopez8138]

Don't know why, but the second upon first looking at the building, I thought it's an emporium. Especially since it has a whole carnival vibe, and the signs indicate that you can buy various items and knickknacks. Similar to those small souvenir shops you see in tourist areas, within main street historical areas (like antique shops), or in small towns.

[@shacharlem4424]

It's stated in the early synopsis' of the books that the stories are set in the world of the "newest games."