Are the HARDEST WH2 Campaigns still hard in IMMORTAL EMPIRES? - Warhammer 3

[@TheTrueMalice]

Man Kislev has a massive fight for survival in Immortal empires. Throt, Throgg, and the demons/norscans just flow south while the empire watches Netflix

[@Ch-ew9tm]

Lore accurate 😂

[@Rellikan]

KISLEV!

[@majones117]

Slaanesh is a struggle for me, the High Elves like to just gang bang me while my Dark Elf allies watch on or die first saving me a round

[@isaacmcconley4965]

Not anywhere near as bad as Naggarond. Dark elves Valkia Sigvald Daniel Alith Anar Beastmen Khatep A lot more congested up there than kislev

[@fildariusv7045]

​@@isaacmcconley4965Don't forget Grombindal's Army

[@KnowhereClue]

I hated Imriks start in 2, it wasn't that it was necessarily hard, but you just had to do it a very specific way to stop the enemies boiling over and just being a nuisance. You couldn't start a new campaign unaware of how to tackle it and flourish, you had to know which targets to prioritise and how enemies will react from turn one.

[@jadawin1137]

It was just miserable. That part of the map was so dreary and ugly, like living in a pig stall. You got access to good units early but no way to afford them. Enemies were always the same and very tough. Strategically no options for variation as the map left you only one way to expand - if you didn't go after Grimgor right after vanquishing Eshin, he'd definitely steamroll you later.

[@katchinska]

Just wait till you have the crazy hat short fuckers to deal with.

[@TacticalProjectGaming]

I didn't like that he couldn't settle in the mountains when he was surrounded by only mountains (unsuitable climate)

[@vahlen5281]

And even if you managed to get past the initial slog, you were almost exclusively going up against factions that could use the underway to traverse entire mountain ridges in a single turn, while your broke ass had to constantly force march to just make a little bit of progress.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

*Having to* follow a specific script is usually the definition of a hard campaign, lol

[@storytsunami]

4:51 Love the description of conquering Eight Peaks. "Angrund cheeks rest upon the Eight Peaks throne once more!" lol

[@vshark7869]

They need to change wulfrik so that his aggression meter doesn’t rise when he attacks non lustrian factions

[@Kuddochan]

Markus Wulfrik yep

[@LordVader1094]

Wulfrik? You mean Wulfhart

[@4f52]

@Tristan Stillman Eh, if you want a shitty unplayable campaign mod it yourself, no one likes his mechanics in mortal empires.

[@vshark7869]

@@4f52 it’s a decent mechanic for a short campaign only in lustrous but they gotta tweak it for a larger campaign to make it more sense

[@4f52]

@@vshark7869 His mechanic is ok in Vortex, but Warhammer 3 won't have Vortex and he will be severely handicapped with that random Army spawning in

[@childoftheeternalsky2382]

Been watching all your vids on immortal empires, love the way you showcase the info. Precise thorough and fun. Love it.

[@princeowiredu2022]

ikrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@darko-man8549]

Wulfhart's campaign is arguably my favourite in TWW2 - making friends with Orcs was hilarious

[@zoso279]

Wasn't playing as Wulfhart but had a funny one as Ikit Claw where I was constantly throwing money at him and aiding in any wars he had which caused us to become allies and take over Lustria together lol.

[@KillZallTheBeast]

Yeah wulfhart was always fun for me. It was just annoying that even after you make every lizard faction go extinct they still magically came back.

[@angelusumbrae]

I know that in the End Times fiasco that the Greenskins (sorta) fought on the right side with Grimgor nutting Archaon. But the idea of "humies" and "propa greenskinz" working together is amusing.

[@angelusumbrae]

@@InsertUsernameHere_a Or you can hire the one Ork Klan in 40K, and possibly the same named one in Fantasy but I'm not sure, as mercenaries for you. I think Freebootaz are possibly for mercenary hire too. Or you can do the Craftworld Eldar (as well as possibly the High Elf one in Fantasy, cause so much is the same between the settings) thing and manipulate them into fighting for you.

[@andrewlechner6343]

8 peaks need to be 10 slots again, it was the last changes they made to the Warhammer 2 map, and it makes no sense to reverse that change. 8 peaks also needs at least one more settlement in its province because just two is too little growth for a faction capital.

[@torquevonthorne948]

The mod that makes Imrik starting position the Dragon island while transfer Kugath in the forest of decay in the chaos wastes is much more fitting for them. By turn 20 you can get confederation with Eataine anyway, thanks to Noctilus rampanging through Ulthuan

[@andrewdeanna]

Just realized, why did 8 peaks turn into a 8 building instead of 10 like in warhammer 2?

[@G1ingy]

Probably someone at CA being clever giving "8" peaks "8" buildings

[@solareclipse9379]

It called Karak-Eight-Peaks and not Karak-Ten-Peaks for a reason.

[@lordsneek2660]

It's a really stupid change

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@solareclipse9379 Isn't it Karak 8 Peaks, the central avista, and the lower holds?

[@Rellikan]

If they did that then they should've given Skavenblight 13 slots because of the 13 Skaven Lords.

[@OniGanon]

I wonder what Morathi's campaign is like now. It was one of the harder starts in game 2, and now her starting area has way more factions nearby, although at least Alith Anar has moved further north.

[@damo9961]

If you knew what you were doing you could confed Malakith by turn 10 on legendary

[@zaizvp90]

@@damo9961 if you know what you are doing, every campaign is a cake walk. in my last Imrik campaign I took out Eshin at turn 5 and malus about 4 turns after that. what's your point?

[@MrDarklord965]

Without the threat of Alith Anar back capping Quintex morathi is probably gonna be in a pretty good place

[@Turnil321]

She gets demon units

[@TheBlackfall234]

played her on very hard recently and i found her very easy. Simply because youre just so rich very early on.

[@gray007nl]

Post greenskin rework Skarsnik was quite easy IMO as the goblin-tide was pretty much unstoppable, IE Skarsnik looks a lot harder.

[@felipealvarado8801]

Nah you just buy some nasty skull killers, a lot of goblins and overwelm the dwarves as easy as that, it was more problematic lead with belegar, not cause belegar its a problem or the dwarves he has, its cause of that fucking ghost, cause you didnt have any resources to kill them.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

Getting past thorgrim should be easier than having to go through belegar, border princes and badlands

[@felipealvarado8801]

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 like I said its easier if you know how to kill normal dwarves with goblins, trolls arent the answer to then, the answer are a lot of gobbos, nasty skullkers and catapults, thats all

[@blaat44]

You should also not lose half of your army like in this video and replenish for a few turns. No wonder the dwarfs had almost 2 full stacks again lol

[@jimbo197]

The thing about Skarsnik too is you don't even have to take Karak Eightpeaks. You can just use goblin armies.

[@ShadowGricken]

Controlling karak eight peaks seems WAY less impactful now with how small its region it is. Only two provinces and not even a 10 slot for its major city? One of my favorite campaigns in Mortal Empires was Belegar turning the 4 province region of Karak 8 Peaks into a bastion of order amongst the greenskin tide, daring foes to come to my walls. Now instead of well sized, wealthy kingdom, its a piddly region that barely looks worth the effort.

[@IronFatherJohn]

Belegar still has crazy diplomatic buffs once you take 8 Peaks you can basically confederate all Dawi easily

[@ShadowGricken]

@@IronFatherJohn that's very useful for a campaign, but very much not apart of any of the things I was talking about. A place as massively important as Karak 8 Peaks should not be such a tiny province.

[@IronFatherJohn]

@@ShadowGricken in my opinion it's actually easier to defend as a 2 settlement region. I love playing Belegar but wow was it difficult to keep all 4 settlements under control on higher difficulties

[@BigBroKuma]

@@IronFatherJohn It's more of an immersion experience rather than just the buffs with the campaign of Karak Eight Peaks being so significant to the Dawi due to how large the region was and the riches promised to all the clans that joined Belegar and Thorgrim on their campaign to retake it

[@zarrstrudeltributemaker314]

@@BigBroKuma imo karak eight peaks should have been a one province settlement like massif orcal

[@tattletalestrangler1]

I will say that the beginning of my Imrik campaign was ROUGH. It always felt like one step forward one step back, but once I broke through the invisible line I'd dubbed " no man's land" I started to gain momentum and really conquer, it ended up being one of my most memorable campaigns in warhammer 2

[@medli7725]

I have a feeling Grombrindal will be a difficult start actually. Dark Elves have boatloads of early AP missiles, he's in an incredibly isolated position with no ports available on that side of Naggarond. The only potential friend he has is Khatep.

[@allmight9840]

See you next week on tombfriends

[@redelephantsdotnl]

..Yes. DElfs are a pain in the dawi-backsides; probably their hardest matchup. Darkshards have AP *AND* shields, thye bring artillery of their own, they have lots of AOE high damage spells and breath attacks, lots of fast moving single entities and Shades that stalk, making them immune to artillery. Witch elves break formations, corsairs come with missile resist... Everything is designed to slaughter Dwarfs.

[@bigrockwall8700]

Skarsnik should probably skip taking the bloody spearz cities and instead focus on beating their faction leader to auto confed, and immediately turn the now combined forces on karaz a karak. Holding the confederated lands is less important that the instant force multiplier of adding their army/armies to yours, and the faster you can bring the combined forces to bear the better this will work.

[@Darkreaper1982]

@8:52 "I've got Plagues coming out of my arse" That's were most of my plagues come from so you're not alone!

[@NormalZebra]

Just finishing up Belegor campaign on normal/normal myself now and I did almost the exact same thing - made a beeline for 8 Peaks around turn 20. Once upkeep was reduced it was pretty straightforward after that. Just dealing with the Skaven tide now and then it'll be campaign victory.

[@regalgiant1597]

I found Morathi the hardest of all campaigns, everyone just hates her so much and a lokhir campaign is sometimes tricky

[@alphaviki7987]

That is true, but I think the start is the hardest. You have to hand out as many non aggression pacts as you can and focus on your enemies. Morathis is a very strong lord (caster) and your strongest asset. What I like to do is put her together with two other wizards and then magic the enemies to kingdom come. You also have chaos corruption on your side, so you don't have to worry about it and if you build it up it will cause attrition to enemies running in your lands or sieging your holdings. For me if I survived the first few turns it was always smooth sailing.

[@generalharness8266]

I did a trade empire with morathi. I farmed the envoy follower though the loyalty cheese until I had about 14. Then I just set up trade routes with every one and made a sack city out of one of the more hated factions.

[@handleonafridge6828]

Flashbacks to fighting a bunch of dark elves, sisters of twilight, tomb kings, Skaven, and finally the fat frog himself who had already confederated half of Lustrian lizardmen and conquered the rest.

[@regalgiant1597]

@@handleonafridge6828 I get like the entire of Ulthuan spamming stacks at me, pissed me off, I found playing a different DE faction and confedding Morathi was more enjoyable if I wanted to play her

[@fmuir5702]

the trick to lokhir is to leave lustria and attack ulthuan on turn 1. Blessed dread are the strongest DE faction they just have a bad starting position

[@lipov7083]

I gotta say I'm thoroughly impressed with your sneaky retaking of 8 peaks.

[@Marduk1813]

Hmh. Not sure what to think about Imriks camapign. For me, one of the selling points for his campaign was the economic debuff you had without access to trade for a long time. It felt like a challenging handicap versus hard enemies, and I enjoyed it a lot.

[@Hardworlder]

I LOVE Imrik's campaign in 2. He's such a beast you can pretty easily take that whole corner, fortify it, and then take on Grimgor. It's amazing what like 5 dragons and a high level fire mage can do.

[@Skwisgar2000]

I completely agree. I loved his campaign so much. I have just under 9k hours in TWWH2, and I wouldn't be surprised if several hundred of those was just Imrik. I never even thought it was hard. Even on VH/VH you could ghost Snitch and Malus by turn 30 easy. Sometimes with luck, earlier. Then it was on to the green tide! I have been playing his new campaign, and its ok, but no where near as fun as the old one.

[@a.a.r.2769]

2:46 "I had no threats at all", There's a Skaven army sieging a settlement.

[@schnitzelfritzel6287]

14:21 For context I redownloaded warhammer 2 simply only because I wanted to replay the expedition campaign. (I was doing a kugath campaign in warhammer 3 and since the valkia trailer I've been feeling the immortal empire hype) And I got to say the hardest part about that entire campaign is the first battle. And if they simply just gave us that starting army (it is the starting army for a fact if you check bottom right) it would have been soooo much easier. In warhammer 2 the starting army was 2 swords men, 1 spearman, 1 wagon and 1 of each archer.

[@GuruFromEHRPG]

i think what will make Belegor's campaign easier is that Skarsnik moved. One of the most annoying things was going for 8 peaks to have skarnik send army after army after your original provinces which would destroy your economy. So just Skarsnik moving is pretty big. And yea as you pointed out Grimgor and Clan Eshin being gone should make Imrik's campaign much easier. Plus his only threats that are close are Ku'gath and Helman ghorst and Clan Rictus. Those two should be pretty easy to take out. Skarsnik shouldn't be much different but seeing Markus is dealing with Skaven first instead of those FUCKING lizards.......oh my god. Those first few battles for Markus were such a fucking slog

[@Fresch_K]

Great video, searching for the hardest start in Immortal Empires sounds like an interesting idea for a video of it's own

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

Oh you were already in the book when you described Belegar as the "self-proclaimed" king of The Eight Peaks

[@Vargre]

Imriks campaign was one of my favourites. Just because you had to do everything right or else you were going back to the mud. I liked the idea of the Dragon Prince with his small army. Id always start with taking over the dwarves to the north, which gave me a whole territory and then move onto Snikch. He usually took out the Paunch or had him down to one castle. Id move my army deep into his territory and start moving backwards. My walls were usually enough to keep him out, or at least beat him down enough so he could be wiped out fairly quickly. Then id won that whole territory and move onto the Dragon Isles. Id have a couple dragons by this time and it went pretty easy from there on. The orks would eventually be an issue cos Grimgore would usually become incredibly powerful by then. If there were any dwarves left to the north of him id make friends with them so we could pincer movement. But I never had much luck with Skarsnick. I couldnt ever get past the starting position and dealing with the dwarves.

[@Mancboy2000]

For me the trick that worked was be bee-line straight for Flayed Rock after taking the Dragon Graveyard settlement and getting a peace treaty with the minor dwarf faction. The Dwarves kept Rictus and Grimgor busy a bit while I went and smashed Eshin and Malus. From there it was pretty simple.

[@blakearius]

16:32 "Perhaps longer than some other SHORT campaigns" Dwarves: "That's going in the book"

[@stryke-jn3kv]

That's kind of a shame? I know Imrik especially got people to love him as his start was just that brutal it made him memorable and fun to strategise. Having some bastard hard campaigns is a good thing imo as I've found lord choice to be a far more interesting difficulty choice than the actual difficulty options CA implemented as they tend to just encourage range stacking. To pick three Vortex campaigns I played Markus on Hard, then both Eltharion, and Taurox on VH and the campaigns that resulted were VH, Easy, and Walking Simulator in that order in terms of actual challenge.

[@yawningfirefly5904]

As someone else has already said, the problem with Imrik's campaign is that it was so difficult that there was really only one way to win it. You have to destroy Sniktch by turn 8-10 so you can prepare for Grimgor, which requires very specific moves from the player. I also like difficult campaigns, but they need to be difficult without rail-roading your strategic options.

[@Fuzzysc]

It just means that other factions will rise to the 'nearly impossible' tier

[@skeith1543]

well keep in mind, they have the new endless incursion thing, so if you want to get rushed by tons of foes by turn 20, it's an option.

[@raphiki4780]

I remember my Imrik campaign on warhammer 2. I quickly took out clan eshin and hag graef then i had to deal with a faction up north. I then decided to spend some time upgrading my provinces and my army to prepare for the war against grimgor. I decided to declare war on him earlier than planned because he was going rampage on all of his neighbours. He was at the door of karaz a karak, karak kadrim and Krokgar had 2 settlements left and Queek had 3 settlements in the desert. I then had to kill 20 armies with 1,5 until i got able to really push inside his territory (around turn 100) while the 4 factions listed previously where taking big slices off. I started to push further into the mountains when i spotted a chaos army in my territory. In the end i had to kill 10 chaos armies that had go straight down onto me ...

[@martinbowles3535]

Skarsnick, if you understand how to play goblins is actually a very simple campaign. Goblins can actually be pretty strong if you use them properly. I have an old campaign with -30k gold a turn as Skarsnick lol

[@martinbowles3535]

Imrik is imo the hardest out of these just because of this start location and the way elf armies move is a nightmare compared to Greenskins and Eshin

[@Seeric85]

Imrik and Markus are characters I will surely revisit in Immortal Empires. Imrik used to be extra spicy in SFO, because the legendary dragon encounters got beefed up quite a bit and you weren't really supposed to take them on early in the campaign. Even if you could somehow cheese your way through them, the legendary dragons would ruin your already problematic economy in the early game. Much better to just take your free 2000 gold and move on for now.

[@svenbrede6151]

I played Belegar's campaign a little differently, basically taking Skavenblight -> Estalia directly after my home province, then taking Tilea, then i considered what to do next.

[@arkorbravos7686]

0:58. good: portraits for sacking, occupynig and razing are back

[@tobias7143]

There is still nakai, i really hope this time, he have a winnable campaign, the only way, I find in mortal empire is to play in chaos *5, let thé chaos destroy the world and then take out the chaos. Which was making nakai an easier campagn in chaos *5 than in normal🤯

[@deathrabbit8710]

Thanks for all of your hard work. I will say that Imrik's campaign used to feel intense, but still unique and fun! It took me a few tries to nail it, and even on a successful run it still felt like a slog. There was always still the option of evacuating back to Ulthuan, so I honestly didn't think it was so bad. I can see why they made these changes though, and I don't blame them.

[@Keln02]

The thing with Imrik, is tempo: you are surrounded by strong competitors, some of which have better mobility and more manpower. The dragon isles are a dead end you do not want to get bogged into, so take that asap, with 4 ports it provides a LOT of gold. (get PO and Industry, dw about growth) You can actually catch Kugath in the middle of his struggle with the lizard men, then take out the lizard men as they are dealing with Ghorst. Then take our Ghorst. Skaven down never came from the south west, but always from the North. They are a problem. Two armies can reasonably deal with them. You want the dwarven holds for their gold mines. So naturally, purge the skaven, purge the greenskin. One thing I did not do is get Darkhold early, but in retrospect I should have: dragon princes do WONDERS against units you encounter in early stages of the game (gobo, rats, zombies, plague bearers). Get it asap, but know that it's poking the skaven nest and harder to defend.

[@skeith1543]

Oh thank god for Imrik's Campaign. He's my favorite lord, being the Dragon guy and all.

[@krikuvre]

besides relocating Skarsnik, it doesn´t look very fun. I loved harder campaigns, I loved to play as Wulfhart and struggle to survive until the next batch of reinforcements would come. His campaign was about fighting Lizardmen, now they are practicaly not even there. Hope they will make it harder again before it comes out of Beta

[@forlogic53]

Belegar is probably harder but I found Thorgrim to be quite hard. Mount Squighorn region extends downward and the orcs (notably Grimgor) can raid and raze your settlements while youre busy dealing with the Bloody Spears. By the time youre done with them, Grimgor probably has like 10+ settlements snowballing like crazy between constant confederations and also just taking settlements on his own. I had to spend around 50 turns just to finally take him down then when I go to visit the Empire, all I see is a bunch of vampires. Then while Im dealing with the vampires, Malekith has conquered half of the world with his 30+ settlements allied with Morathi and her 20+ settlements skull fucking Couronne with their endless 20 stack armies and Sword of Khaine legendary lord.

[@CiceroSolo]

I wasn't watching the screen when you said it looks pretty and I just nodded my head then I switched to watching like 3 seconds later and was blown away. It looks completely different! Creative Assembly are on fire

[@omnidude3912]

Absolutely loved Imrik’s Campaign in WH2, punishing start and having to manually play every single battle. but by the time I got 3 dragons every battle became a massacre and my campaign became a question of who should I destroy next using a single army

[@iceee420]

I like how every race can fight every other race seemingly right at the start

[@himdailungpamei983]

Belegar's start isn't as hard as people say it is but it can be really boring and passive if you wait around to grow your settlements. I got a lot of battles by cheesing with the Ranger units. I never take casualties in sieges by putting my army in one corner, get the rangers to climb walls and cap the victory point. On my first try Sartosa destroyed Tilea and then declared war on me, followed by Skraag destroying the Border princes and also declaring war. So on my 2nd run I took these 2 factions out early, traded all the settlements for a lot of money to the border princes. I then got 1.5 stack (economy was in negative but I had decent reserves) and went to help Barak Var fight the green skins. I sacked then looted occupied most settlements before trading them away to the other dwarves for more money. When I reached 8 peaks my army was a little worn out but Belegar and the heroes were high level so it was easier to let them go head first, get the enemy to blob and then destroy with wrath and ruin. Had a ton of money by the end of it and had a lot of battles too. If you don't wanna cheese like me then it would be a bit of a slow start

[@1thecoker]

Skrolk did not appear on your-your list-video? The near-closeness of the cursed sotek spawn and undead toad-thing produces much fear-musk...

[@Planewalker1999]

You’ll have to go over Imrik again after chaos dwarfs

[@fayd-yt4526]

Actually never found Imrik's campaign to be too difficult... You could get peace with the dwarves after securing ur province, then kill the greenskins and rats within around 20 turns and grab ur first dragon. Then Malus was free and you got yourself a nice safe little corner.

[@Dankweiler94]

"Karak Fuckface", i lost it

[@David-ky4vu]

Easily the best part of the video

[@disc0king21]

honorable mention for tomb queen Khalida, she started sandwiched between kroq daddy and queek, with only lybaras under her command and under attack from dirty vamps.

[@jacobchinn8593]

It seems like the traditional Empire factions will have a tough start, especially with the Imperial Authority system. I doubt most of the elector counts wont survive long with the new factions introduced in the area, like Belakor, Festus, Vampires, Drycha, etc.

[@jacobchinn8593]

Maybe they could tone down the debuffs when going negative?

[@chase6579]

@@jacobchinn8593 or remove them

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

This was already a creeping problem in TWW2. Franz and Gelt's campaigns start SOOO SLOOOOW. By the time other factions are grabbing their fourth or fifth province, Franz is MAYBE finishing his second. Gelt has things a little better, since he can at least gobble up some mountains, but they still have snail's pace progression compared to most. By turn 100, Franz is just about ready to survive Chaos. By turn 100, Kroq-Gar, Ikit Claw, or Alith Anar might remember to send an army or two to curb stomp chaos. Maybe. In single player, it's not much of an issue, but if you ever play multiplayer campaigns, the difference is jarring. Nakai doesn't have very strong campaign mechanics, but I was able to essentially encircle the entire Empire, before my buddy on Gelt had even a third of the Empire. And that was WITH me going around the long way.

[@jacobchinn8593]

Yeah.. it takes really good luck and especially efficient, methodical campaign strategies to really expand as thr Empire. One thing that ive always had a gripe about was the elector count units. By the time you get to confederate most of thr elector counts, their unite are absolete because you already have acess to the end game units.

[@nikitaturchanin2489]

Hi Zerk, great content. I know you care a lot about balanced armies, even in late campaign. You also did some great Viedeos, like the ones with "tree agne" and the tide of minor settlement battles. So some friend of me posted some interesting discussions on the total war Forum --> Warhammer--> Feedback & Suggestions --> Campaign (even though it also effects battles) balance & feedback: SIEGE BATTLES 2.0 - TWELVE EASY TO IMPLEMENT IDEAS FOR MORE REALISTIC AND STRATEGIC SIEGES WE NEED SPELL RESISTANCE FOR MOST ELITE INFANTRY! LITTLE CHANGE TO MAKE LOW-AND-MIDTIER UNITS VIABLE IN THE LATE GAME (NO UNIT CAPS!) HORSE-SIZED (AND SMALLER) FLYING UNITS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIDE IN FORESTS So maybe you could look at them and make some sort of discussion video, where you discuss the ideas.

[@wolferegalia]

Keep the videos coming !

[@GamerGrovyle]

I'd wager that everyone's favorite Sotek worshipping Skink deserves to be in this video too

[@TheInnerstrife]

But hes got one of the easiest campaigns in Warhammer 2. Once you get past turn 8 you can get silly things like faction wide free buildings perma. The locking of sauris isnt a problem since red crested with him are borderline chosen.

[@soonerbutte1813]

In bellagar I’ve done it 3 times now and every time my provinces start to be attacked by either the vampires, skaven, greenskins, or ogre factions. Not sure about the “no threats” that you mention…

[@Kaneisback2]

I think Tzeench is one of the hardest, because he starts surrounded by everyone -100 to him, so the people around him who some are meant to be natural enemies with eachother, dont care about eachother, peace/ally eachother and just B-line Tzeench. Its like putting an Empire faction next to Archeon lol.

[@paareth]

But what happened to Khalida? A campaign with a somewhat tricky start, now magnified no doubt to be harder. She was one of my favorite starts so for me it wasn't too bad, but a lot of people would get caught out in her start.

[@tovarishlumberjack2356]

Great content, is there a Video about the most difficult campaigns in IE?

[@TaletellerII]

Personally I love having a few ridiculously unfair starts to choose from - there's so many easy ones, just give us a few hard options for those of us who've played way too many campaigns already. ;(

[@Gemerl]

Alith Anar is pretty hard, no friends, and SURROUNDED by powerful enemies

[@sclarke6969]

I can't imagine playing campaigns where I'm not literally jumping to the next enemy city every other turn. patience be dammed!

[@aldirnila6215]

Wasn't Nakai among the hardest as well if not the hardest (at least in Legendary) ?

[@drukharimatter2962]

Tbh I didn’t find Imrik too bad. At least when compared to skarsnik. Yeah, you can make a run on eight peaks fairly quickly by getting a few stacks, get a waaagh going etc. But if it fails for whatever reason, you’re stranded and screwed. Not to mention AI belegar so hard to put down. He has two full stacks at all times, usually military alliances with golden order to force you into war with them as well. by the time you kill one/two, three stacks and head down to kill belegar, he has another stack or two already rebuilt waiting for you. And that’s just the first 30 turns or so…

[@andreasericsson2228]

Nice video :) Im def going too play Skarsnik, his campaign is so much more fun now :)

[@princeowiredu2022]

"i've got plagues coming outta my ass but....... i'm okay"😂😂😂

[@lordsesshomaru8960]

Amazing video as always I'd love to know how you have your Camera set up. 👍

[@TheAzorg]

It's nice that skarsnik doesn't have to fight dwarfs since turn 1.

[@ToniCur88]

Can you do more of these first 30 turn campaigns, morathi, tehenhauin, kroq-gar, clan Mors maybe

[@scottzeta3067]

What I saw is capture settlement image return, hope WH3 factions also have their own.

[@darkzim3872]

with skarsnik just overload with nasty skulkers they can do it all firstly they hide so ranged cannot shoot at what they cannot see and they are half priced and vanguard the amount of times ive found a small bit of land to the side of the map and sneaked in and killed all his misslies and arty while he is running down the feild to get my leader and stone thrower in sieges i just run and climb the walls before im even seen half my army is over it plus if you have two armies you can come in from both sides if you set out with a plan that every army is going to have 18 nasty skulkers you can buy two for the same price as everyone else you dont need to do much to settlements to make them work and you pretty much steam roll the world the only other unit i get is something that lets me do a siege in a turn like a big spider or a catapult so doubling up on fights becomes so much easier and its a huge surprise at first you think they cannot win but they take anything out especially when flanking and rear charging if your ever stuck as skarsnik then try nasty skulkers you will be amazed

[@C1umsyJester]

Skarsnik’s campaign feels so much better, I had a great time with his campaign

[@felixmorton4472]

I hope 8 peaks doesn't stay all orkified after you recapture it as Belegar, but it seems like it does in this video. :(

[@snap4936]

I wish settlements would change depending on which faction owns it...

[@thomasthereal4067]

I think the hardest campaign right now has Grombrindal all the way up in north. He has to deal with chaos from his north side, which's climate is red, so dealing with that early on is a pain in the ass. You have literally no ally, the closest thing to an ally is Alith Anar, who is getting reked around turn 30. Khatep will attack you eventually, because he allies with the sisters of twilight who will attack Alith Anar. And you need to ally Alith, in order to deal with the dark elves, which you can't let spiral out of control. Basically you're under constant attack from 3 sides.

[@michaelbjorklund3424]

Thanks for goodintroductionary work here. Would love to see you play a World Conquest Imrik campaign as well as a World Conquest Vlad campaign. Victory will be achieved by: Conquest, alliance, razing, vasselizing. Preferably on VH/H. No jumps or fast forwartds or just small glimpses. ALl complete campaigns, please. :-)

[@yuyuyu25]

Maybe Boris will be the new player in the "hardest campaign" list. Or Settra.

[@iamjakerider]

As a new player fresh off HE Vortex Campaign going right into Belagar IE Campaign, on Normal, by turn 8, I had Aranessa, Ogres, and Orion all over me. Did my Belegar hurt them in a past life?

[@jadawin1137]

Nice. Never thought of Wulfheart's campaign as hard, I finished it rather easily on VH/H. The other three campaigns were very hard though.

[@ladybug2579]

Skarsnik for me by far the most unforgivable campaign. I always read here there even though i already bought it. Since i main empire, greenskin and skaven a lot. Some vampire and dark elf lokhir. So i tried it myself and nope. Even after having orcs unit empire, wood elves and skaven push you hard.

[@j.bbailey6275]

Exiles of Nehek is bloody tough, I could finish with all of these lords, but Khatep!? The Druki train would just take me out.

[@andyspruce9307]

Agree I've started Imrik twice on 2 and failed both times. Can't get out of a deadlock of just defending against Eshin or Grimgor, never able to go for dragon battles. Tried belegar on Warhammer 1 and couldn't do it, tried it on 2 pre dwarf updates and couldn't. Trying it just now and not doing oathgold cheese. On turn 75 and on the doorstep of Valayas Sorrow after cutting a swathe across the badlands. I went for skarsnik early, farmed him a little bit for exp, resources, nearly lost cos he had another army of away from his start and while I was sacking his last territory he underwayed in and took one of me. After crushing him getting a rune of spite and that regen tankard for belegar, we headed south and smashed skavenblight, when chasing down ikrits last army and heading it off on brettoniias border the sacked skavenblight was taken by a random orc tribe. It's been orcy since but stuck between a strong fey enchantress and estalia. I sacked and razed a few Skaven towns and was able to have enough money to run on minus a while and pay some strong allies off to make lots of friends nearby. Whole campaign has gone better. Only a few reloads on tough battles when the bloody hands tried to waagh me out of Elkund. Seems way easier now you can make Belegar a regeneration equipped Mortis engine.

[@andyspruce9307]

I'll add getting gotrek and Felix for 30 turns was good help too. Used gotrek and some slayers and miners in a minus money push on skavenblight and a weird moment where Vlad marched in and attacked skarsniks old turf from the empire.

[@zortesh]

I actually found imriks campaign in wh2 very easy, long as you just rush east to wipe out the Skaven and orks there before even taking your starting province. The campaign gets tedious later as you are fighting through mountains against factions that have underway but its not exactly hard.

[@theshyguy3829]

im curious, how are the bugman ranger now with the change of regeneration?

[@anthonycernik6548]

Can you do a video on nakia campaign I remember his campaign being hard as hell

[@lear7845]

He is now at the corner of the world, it is gonna be easier than before.

[@dalorasinum386]

I’ve heard from I thing it was great book of grudges that immortal empires is in general easier than ME as the enemy factions seem a lot more passive and will barely ever attack you. Have you found that and if so how much does that contribute to these 4 being easier?

[@Branpanman]

Love your vids, Zerk!

[@Christian358Kane]

Gotta ask tho, is it a bug or something, that once you complete the objectives of the short campaign no victory screen is shown, nor you are notified in someway that you have won the short campaign. I played the empire and almost at the end of long victory i've checked and saw that i didn't even notice the short campaign is completed. Is this like just "play in your own consideration" kind of thing, just you decide when to stop playing without the game telling you you've won? and once you're bored just quit and start a new one? or is it a bug?

[@shykorustotora]

What about Morathi? She had a rubbish start once all the DLC characters came in like Alith Anar and the Sisters. She went from a challenging start to neigh impossible. Looking at the new map, it seems like most of the competition left town so now she'll be able to go back to invading the Donut with N'kari as her new BFF

[@fernandonr2329]

What about commerce and confederation with Caledor in Imrik’s campaing?

[@alonnudelman6612]

Is Imrik's economy improved now that you have easier access to ports? And is the Caledor confederation option still available?

[@sarahshaw7315]

It feels like lustria is just not even lizard man territory anymore. It’s just like everywhere else. It looks like it’s taken the run out of the lizardmen.

[@gdrad]

IE Skarsnik actually looks better to me. I think this is a case of first try and trying to do both instead of one objective. Skarsnik was never in as much of a rush to get 8p as Belegar economically but, he didn't really have a good alternative. Now he can just take out dwarves and get two big gold mines going. To take 8p early. I'm going to bet you need to go east then south ASAP. Bypassing the dwarves entirely. Starting province as whole may not be defensible but, mount gunbad with a small AP army could hold. I'd honestly like to see two more attempts. One for each approach. "Karak early" or "8P ASAP".

[@zonolith5912]

I'd say Skarsnik really didn't trade up for an easier start, i'd even argue maybe he has about the same if not a big harder? But it depends on the AI, otherwise you're trading humans, dwarfs and woodelves for dwarfs, dwarfs and undead.

[@dotcom3987]

What mod do you use to chnage the UI and give units the little green shade on the campaign map? Its very nice

[@zero18000]

Just tried Belegars campaign. You didn't have any issues on the homefront? I was being attacked by turn 15 by pirates and rats, and about 10 turns later ogres were in my lands-followed by wood elves!

[@stormraider5400]

Would you consider doing campaing live streams Zerk? You seem to play free of cheese and that is very refreshing for the community.

[@mrsuperglue4226]

@zerkovich is there still the graves of the dragon building chain for imrik campaign in his settlements?

[@danscga2487]

8:45 someone is practicing his german xD

[@sionbarzad5371]

omg i did all 4 and Imrik is PTSD inducing, truly a puzzle

[@muscularclassrepresentativ5663]

Damn I thought imrik was pretty easy on veryhard/hard difficulty in WH2 but maybe it is much worse on legendary. I never failed catching a dragon all in a row and just pooped on everyone with the dragon doomstack from hell until I was super bored. Clan Angrund was wack as hell tho lol

[@yoggz]

Gonna use that walk in siege cheese every time now

[@manifoldexultant7331]

For me, Clan Pestilens is my hardest campaign pick. I doubt the lustria bowl is any friendlier in 3 and their themed units are probably still weak. Plague monks are too expensive for the attrition they take.

[@damo9961]

You go plagueclaws + heroes. Skaven are easy mode and Lustria was always easy too.

[@kohtalainenalias]

What's the hardest campaign / faction at the hardest difficulty level (battles & campaign) you can play?

[@JarmamStuff]

Nakai because his vassal mechanic is complete ass :(

[@jonnevisser6513]

In my Belegar campaign I got harrased non-stop by Saltspite, Ikit-claw and the ogres...