Are The Map Packs Even Worth Playing?

[@Quivert]

Many objects on my desk had to be sacrificed for the completion of the map packs

[@neon2697]

Dont play pg clubstep worst mistake of my life I died at 97% and wanted to commit war crimes for the rest of my life when playing it

[@NothingIsScary]

got em! (I will edit this comment later once I have watched more than the intro) Edit: I agree with about 80% of this level (I Dislike more of the levels than you do I think)

[@baifor7]

80% of this LEVEL? minor typing error. laugh at this user!

[@pablovetterli5409]

The thing map packs gets a special place in my heart for is their honesty in their gameplay. Nowadays levels are full of graphic additions that let down the gameplay experience (alpha trigger you know it) and I can’t appreciate playing GD anymore because of this. One Map Pack level I’ll always remember is Mechanic Downforce by ZenthicAlpha (Demon Pack 15), because even if the level is full of fakes, you can still feel the “texture” of every hitbox you touch, and once you learn the level it feels so satisfying to run between this organized mess of obstacles.

[@Xn00tplex]

This tbh, I find the map packs to be a good break after playing too many flashy, high cps, modern levels. Just got 5 demon packs left.

[@Sockren]

@@Xn00tplex the gauntlet levels not allowing stuff past easy demon (and weekly demon too) is what killed gd for me. literally every demon is a 7 star with a short chokepoint or transition problems because robtop is too scared to show the average playerbase levels outside of their comfort/skill zone

[@Malamesa]

​Demon levels are NOT 7 stars (excluding new ones) extinction, sidestep ect. (all older gauntlet demons levels) Are a good challenge for people getting into demon levels let alone that those are harder than what we get nowadays. And there's 2 hard demons in death gauntlet (might be mistaken). ​Robtop just probably changed his perspective on gauntlets. @@Sockren

[@Sockren]

@@Malamesa the older gauntlets i LOVE to death and you explained my exception. but i genuinely cannot give a damn about the weekly demons or gauntlets anymore because robtop only rewards the same style of easy demon. it literally rewards players for not wanting to get out of their comfort zone and not beat harder levels

[@MatMart]

I started work on a vid defending the map packs 9 months ago and honestly not sure if it'll ever come out so its cool to see other youtubers saying things I mostly agree with. Funny how some of the most infamous map pack levels are your favorites

[@caster31]

Where the fvck you at my guy make videos 😅

[@panchublanky]

Pls make it map packs really really need more love except for square adventure

[@caster31]

@@MatMart Where the fvck you at mat please come back to KZbin 😅

[@KingJacob105]

@@panchublanky except for square adventure is so real

[@OriginPlayss]

@@panchublanky Square Adventure Is Good What Are You On About Bro

[@zeenoh5811]

It's nice to remind yourself of what a GD level is supposed to look like after playing the NCS gauntlet

[@kirlian5399]

Someone said it!

[@scmbgoogle7790]

NCS Gauntlet: Real-life footage ported to GD GD levels: block

[@meteorologically]

started a new gd account this year and decided to actually do the map packs and honestly, it’s super rewarding completing them. i get a ton of satisfaction getting the secret coin and map pack icons, which i’ve never gotten on my other account. it is a very mixed bag of levels that i haven’t had 100% fun with but for my goals of getting new icons it’s worth it for me :)

[@lukecarroll19]

How do you start a new account? Do you have to pay the $4 again?

[@meteorologically]

@@lukecarroll19 no you don’t have to pay anything. you can just set up a new account by using any other email you use that hasn’t been registered for a geometry dash account.

[@lukecarroll19]

@@meteorologically Thanks, that's rlly helpful

[@BrodieMitch]

I never realised how many of the levels are actually cool visually, especially for old standards

[@Fofiifii]

i just reset my stats and was playing through map packs again and was working on a list called "map pack must plays".... the power of parallel thinking

[@user-ym3cw3dx6k]

11:49 "One of the first big creators", oh boy get ready for me to tell you he WAS the first creator, EVER. (He made the first rated level.)

[@Hexhammer]

nonono sorry i can’t watch this, 0:19 you can DO that?? you can enter the portal and skip the blue orb and just. live??? are you serious???? am i stupid??

[@Jdogisbest]

He also presses the pink orb after he enters

[@josradu]

that's exactly how i beat it too lol

[@Mr._Tru3]

The gauntlet versions of levels being tracked separately from the normal version doesn’t actually stop it from being updated. Magmatic Sanctuary, the final level of the Fire Gauntlet, got updated around a year ago to rework the unstable speed section of the level (which is now known as the erratic speed section), and this affected the version of the level within the gauntlet

[@megadubstepxd9462]

Was about to say this, one world gauntlet level was also updated with 2.2 features. I looked it up its xanadu.

[@zen0x50]

I think the reason why you can rebeat gauntlet levels for stars is because they are designed to be played one after another, and so you can't just skip ahead and beat the levels in a different order

[@SBArsenic]

People forget that the mappacks are supposed to be a transition for newer players so tney can get used to custom levels

[@Hidden4125]

the advice you gave at the end to go through the map packs (and especially the demon ones) gradually and not all at once is priceless information i wouldve loved to tell me from 4 years ago. i did this in 2020-2021 and it burned me out of the game big time. i wasnt able to ease back into playing the game until late 2023 because grinding the map packs were so mindless and soul eroding also a level i really like that you unfortunately didnt bring up was electroworld by asonicmen. it goes so hard

[@b6oy1004]

polargeist reverse is a certified hood classic i wish more levels like that existed lol

[@TrideGD]

We should definitely bring back "[HILARIOUS] Electrodynamix at 2x speed, 0.5x speed and REVERSED!"

[@iNubble]

Glad Checkmate is getting some love! One of my fav classic FunnyGame levels, along with Atlas.

[@gablor]

yes

[@HollyBunnySilly]

Uh, wow. Thanks for using my reupload of the old Dynamic on Track. For those who don't know, the only other reupload of the old Dynamic on Track before mine made some weird changes to it for some reason. There were keys for coin routes for some reason, and it just wasn't the original. After seeing this, I decided pull up a video of the level and edit the copy of the old version on the servers to be the original Dynamic on Track block for block. The only difference in my version is a bugfix for the third "coin" that occurs due to physics BS. All in all, I'm thankful that you used and credited my reupload of the original. Glad I could help with this video! As for me, I'm currently working on a rework of my Dynamic on Track video that got lost to technical issues early this year. Be on the lookout for that if you're interested! As I said, thanks for the credit WHErwin. Good video!

[@moulari2220]

Had a friend that said he'd rather be neutered than get player glow by completing 10 map packs

[@simonramoner]

tbh, most of the v2 level of Neptune get a recomendation from me. They feel so much like robtop levels it is crazy. It's like when you completed the game for the firet time you can replay it, only now everything has gotten more difficult. Especially the easy demon ones

[@smjacob.]

I think dynamic on track is overhated for sure, I don’t think it’s without reason. There were plenty of levels that utilized speed changes just as liberally as dynamic on track at the time, I think the gameplay of dynamic on track is made somewhat intentionally janky in a way that makes it hard to judge. Sure it’s difficult for new players to judge how far they’ll drop at higher speeds, but the added closeness in proximity to spikes makes the whole janky vibe so much greater. Comparing to electrodynamix, it’s very clear once you have a slight grip on the physics how far you’ll go and there’s plenty of leeway in that so if you misjudge it slightly you’ll be fine. Dynamic on track on the other hand places how you fall in such close proximity to spikes, in an other wise normal looking level no matter what path you choose it feels off as you enter it which again, leads to indecisiveness in gameplay and an over janky experience

[@X3m.Gaming]

thinking dynamic on track is overhated huh? someones suffering from invisible difficulty again. the reason why the level is hard is because it has a lot of inputs and every click you do is ether death or not. because of its fast speed it pretty much turns in to a memory level for bad players but if you are good player you cant see any of this because you can sightread just good enough to not die from faster reaction times. new versions is way better than last one. there will never be a worse level than dynamic on track

[@zen0x50]

17:07 dude this part looks so cool, some of the most creative spike usage I've seen in a level

[@WorseThanAeonAirWasTaken]

While I do actually like some of the packs I think the majority of them should be replaced with new levels that people actually want to play, and replace pg clubstep with future funk because that would be extremely funny

[@slimebor7059]

we need more Tyrian wall and less Crystal Essence in gauntlet gameplay

[@MyHandleIsAplaceholder]

And then you have Hellgate Menace which is both

[@lawxz23]

Wherin is the kind of person to post an extremely controversial opinion, use solid facts and statistics to back it up, and then get people to believe him, and I'm all here for it

[@migaloo364]

The 1.9 and 2.0 map pack levels are incredibly nostalgic for me; especially Adrift and Portal. I have very good memories playing those.

[@Jdogisbest]

13:42 I agree with you about this level, the theming is super cool. The gameplay was really unfair though. I played it after having completed hard demons and some of the timings just don't work well, or are somewhat inconsistent. Could have been maybe I was tired when I played it or something, and a lot of map pack era levels have gameplay issues like this, but I felt this level mostly just didn't have good gameplay

[@Sunraine131]

S3rios was right. WHErwin is the best GD content creator.

[@eternalslumber2k6]

I beat them during the eternal wait between 2.1 and 2.2, as I was looking to finish everything in the game. I would recommend going for them if you're looking for a relatively painless method to stargrind and generally build your profile stats, while also unlocking a few cool icons. However, be aware that some of the levels are old and pretty bad, given that half of them don't work on high refresh rate.

[@solaraloe]

CYBER PARADISE AND STEAM CHAMBER MENTIONED It's been a while since I've thought about either of them, but those were some of my favorite levels for a long time & still are some of my favorite pre 1.9 levels

[@Idkidk_altIdkidk-h3j]

7:37 remember when this level was superbuffed into the abyss? And was still somehow rated 4 stars? And people constantly harassed Gelt until he changed it back?

[@jacobezolt6832]

tiny tunes is so fire too

[@ukknown6700]

Great video, wasn't expecting a video actually being positive about the map packs. I completely agree, they're overhated as fuck. Here are some of my favorite map pack levels that weren't mentioned in the video. Demon Park has extremely creative multi-path gameplay that doesn't get talked about that much. The community cares more about the fact that it inspired the demon difficulty, but it's so cool. Although the gameplay isn't that great, Edification has really cool effects where particles create the blocks, which I haven't seen done in any other level. I have a sweet spot for Afterglow because I remember playing it in the featured tab and absolutely loving it. The song is also really nostalgic for me. The Prism has a really cool masking effect with black hexagons on top of a gradient. I just think it looks really cool. StarQuake is incredibly fun, but also overhated due to its difficulty. It was buffdated, but honestly, that didn't make it much worse, it just should not be easy demon. My absolute favorite map pack level has to be Dimension Machine. It's so fun and the repetitive nature of the gameplay is extremely unique. However, there's one problem I have with the level, it has multiple paths, but only the ship path works.

[@masterdoge987]

Honestly, I think the Map Packs wouldn’t be so hated if they didn’t have unlockable customization (not direct, but in the form of secret coin and star achievements) tied to them. I don’t have anything specific in mind, but if the Map Packs either gave nothing (aside from the stats that the levels themselves give) or some other number that wasn’t tied to any achievements and just existed for bragging rights upon their completion, I don’t believe they would have as bad of a reputation.

[@GDMakar51]

I beat 25 map packs and I liked them. Which is why I also like generation retro. It reminds me of this.

[@bluex6095]

As a person who has completed 63 map packs ,they are a mixed bag IMO.There are some levels I actually enjoyed in the demon packs but there will always be a next level in the same pack ruining the experience completely

[@dashinking]

it's been over 7 years since I beat the map packs and I don't even remember half of these levels lol

[@merl1nos]

I agree with basically everything except Jabbagrullo's levels, but even there I understand your point. I'm especially happy seeing Can't let go V2 here, I think it's absurdly overhated. Very nice video.

[@kxenyy]

Honestly i can’t stand the 2.2 gauntlet levels so much that I would take the map packs over them

[@simonsolves]

The sigma level in the NCS gauntlet sucks so hard

[@user-ym3cw3dx6k]

@@simonsolves In theming or design (optimization, gameplay, etc), cuz that level was so easy.

[@simonsolves]

@@user-ym3cw3dx6k i dislike the annoying 2.2 style levels that are impossible to sight read

[@user-ym3cw3dx6k]

@@simonsolves then why the sigma level in specific 😭 there are way more better examples that could've fit, bussin is the second most sightreadable out of all of them, plus with it's easy gameplay it makes it more enjoyable (excluding the giant lag). the other levels mostly fit that description better. I think you just needed a getaway reason fr...

[@infernoya512]

magistro is pretty laggy

[@Remidyo]

I always think that the map packs are very extremely worth playing. Sure, *beating* them is a different story, but it's a great time capsule on the older days of GD. Tackling a few levels will literally explain to anyone why darnoc and funnygame where considered The Best and even some fun moments can happen with rando levels that might not actually be that special because they are really great in number Playing all of them at once is a big mistake, but I also would recommend not leaving the insane or demon packs for last, as these are the ones that likely take the longest to beat. I have 49 of them completed (51* actually because I saved two levels from earlier packs) and they are all demon packs. These are not levels you wanna beat in the same day in the majority of the time, but I've been working on it every now and then. Definitely a overhated slice of the game, honestly the gauntlets still aren't a better replacement of them, they are just different and more recent so they check a lot of now standardized opinions of the community, but some individual gauntlet levels have taken me more mental willpower than entire insane map packs (I'm looking at you Magic Gauntlet collab levels) Originally from here onwards, I wrote a rant of about 6 paragraphs just sidetracked by my issues with the gauntlets (which can be assumed to be Many) so to go back on the topic: Map Packs are really cool in their own way. I see them just like stumbling unto older levels when I search for random stuff to play, definitely a thing that sorta helps playing when either bored or wanting to accomplish progress in GD without going for extremely hardest levels or taking your chance in the editor Wait Is the thumbnail using that feature where you can pick 2 different thumbnails to see which one "works better" but that everyone uses for stuff like THis???

[@OkarunYoutube]

I love this channel, thank God i found you from that Humphrey video

[@yean4573]

i like the use of the thumbnail swap feature on this video. super creative

[@noxvera]

this is the most agreeable video of all time, i did every single map pack over a few weeks like last year and i coudlnt understand what was wrong with like half of the levels i also think that the map packs shows how important practice mode was (and still is) due to the nature of these levels, there so many levels that are fine as long as you just do a practice run

[@jwjustjwgd]

2.3 should make you beat every map pack to get glow

[@echoesouth]

Moon adventure has been one of my favorites levels as of right now, that level is so awesome.

[@jayzerbeam9733]

I personally had a lot of fun with the map packs, actually really liked PG clubstep; very fun memory! Flappy Weird can burn in hell though

[@Gaswan]

i always see Map Packs as a museum of old levels. while i admit some of the gps are not functional sometimes. i think these levels are meant to be a showcase of what GD used to be long time ago it server as a great way to showcase new players of what GD has to gone through in order to get what we have today the amount of time, effort and creativity needed for these level despite their limitation is not something you'd see very often nowdays. im not saying level nowdays isnt creative or revolutionary as older levels, we still are pushing what editor could do. but what i meant is that older creators have the same dedication as to creator nowdays just in different time and what im really sad about is just how overhated some of these levels are, heck even some of these creators like sure its not the greatest level nowdays. but thats just how old level works. people are going to compare it to level nowdays and its just not fair people need to appreciate more of these creator's work and effort despite you think its bad or awful. there's a reason why it even made it into the map pack in the first place and not just older creator, creator nowdays too. i just hate how people talk sht about a level because they think its bad but not thinking about time, effort, journey from the creator to get into that point and honestly i think this is the biggest problem GD community has rn, its just how disconnected are between players and creators nowdays

[@poppygd2169]

Hi Wherwin, I rarely comment on GD videos, but I really appreciate your perspective on levels and creating. The map packs are full of cool and innovative levels for the era, it's sad how quickly the general player base writes them off. Great video and analysis of the levels! Also love to see SkyFrost mentioned, that level is great.

[@DylanK1]

Right now, I am working on beating all of the map packs. I have already beaten all of the gauntlet levels, so I thought I might as well beat all the map packs. I have around 20 left to complete and I can say that they aren’t as bad as people say they are. Sure, some of the levels are downright bad/buggy, but that shouldn’t take away from the great levels that are in them.

[@pablovetterli5409]

The design of the stacked spikes resembles a bolt in crazy bolt. Don’t forget to like comment and subscribe

[@Fenniko]

17:07 THIS IS THE BEST 3D IN 1.9 WTH and probably the best one, I had never seen this before

[@JonJay717]

The good things about them is that they got me a ship I don’t use and rose my demon count, making the day I had to grind 29 demons for a robot more bearable However it ended up that the thing I grinded the robot for didnt select me on a wheel of 200+ people so at the same time it was kind of worthless and soul crushing

[@The4DRY4N]

i haven't played the demon packs (yet) so i can't talk about those, but i really like the map packs; it's a type of gameplay you don't really see that much anymore. but i think you're the only one i see praising the ufo pack lol

[@a05polzar]

Steam Chamber, my goat. I will say that over the past year, I've had a complete change on my opinion on old levels, unfortunately, this was after I beat the map packs. However, there were some cool levels I liked.

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

finally some love for the ufo packs

[@Cinsals4819]

As someone who did all of the demon packs in one sitting i can second the advice about doing the packs one at a time

[@Clebb_GD]

I saw that thumbnail swap.

[@WailedDuke0004]

I think they are worth it. I did honestly grind them in a row when I played them, but I had a great time! My favourite one is probably Sunwalker by Jerkrat (also Tyrian Wall felt super memorable)

[@megabruhfart]

Despite how horrendous the demon packs are, you can get a pretty silly ship for collecting 160 secret coins, seems worth it to me

[@imnotsodefeated]

i actually went ahead to try and beat every map pack in the game... until i realized i had to beat Beautiful Chaos

[@bluex6095]

Yeah when I beat that level my experience was completely terrible

[@merl1nos]

I beat it today lol. Yeah, no offense to the creator, but that level is held together with spit. 😂

[@Ezel_142]

Honestly most of the rough levels are in the insane and demon categories due to either janky gameplay, or a lot of trolly and somewhat egregious uses of memory gameplay that gets stale after a while. Also honestly I never felt the hate for Dynamic on Track, and I played the old version when I was a newbie. It kicked my ass a bit, as I died to the 3x part plenty of times, but the level itself was relatively fair compared to a lot of other levels of that era. I feel like most of the hate was kind of unwarranted, because RobTop misrated the level as 5*, when clearly it's closer to 7-8*

[@icewings_intotheclouds]

the duality of enby

[@3psical]

Lunar ocean was udpated so its like 10x more enjoyable and less trash

[@black_koolaid]

Having beaten them all twice now (new acc for leaderboard), they're generally okay (and I actually enjoy pg clubstep) Would I recommend beating them? If you like old levels, or collecting all the secret coins, yes Otherwise, I don't see the point, but there are a few ones like dimension machine and pg clubstep that I genuinely think are good levels

[@pupnub]

I am excited to see your opinions on the NCS gauntlet, but seeing as I only dislike Quebrantar right now there might be some disagreements

[@nell076]

my personal favorite is way of the darkness by neptune

[@kracko1367]

skill issue is unironically part of the reason they're hated

[@starriekitsune]

you get the coins for the cute fox ship of course its worth it

[@Plaquepsoriasis]

I hope to become a gd creator, so that’s why I played the map packs

[@Skyhigh_905]

I will never understand how you can consider the UFO pack any better than "Absolute Dogshit".

[@GadoGD]

the only reason to beat all the map packs is so you can brag that you endured all the garbage levels.. the map packs aren't awful necessarily, I think there's actually quite a lot of good levels there, but people are going to remmeber the terrible levels way more and those levels ruin the experience

[@photonic083]

so *how many* of the map packs are worth playing? which percentage of them?

[@jjgh5421]

Great vid

[@s3batr0nic]

no dimension machine mention :(

[@Jdogisbest]

Why did you not talk about The Prism? Did you not like it or something? Honestly my favorite map pack is the Ion Pack, with Afterglow, Dynasty, and The Prism. The gameplay in all the levels is really fair, and the songs are so good. Dynasty is one of the only Viprin levels I liked, and the designs in all the levels were good, as well as The Prism being a legendary 1.9 effect level

[@anduyn167]

I really hate mappacks but I did have to spend weeks beating every single one for every secret coin

[@darksun4029]

Ncs gauntlets were good imo. I don't see anything wrong with them other than a few good levels not making it in. But it's whatever. I enjoyed the levels a lot. Very fun :3

[@mollof7893]

I recently beat Starquake from a pack, and it's one of the worst levels I have played. The creator even put an apology at the end!

[@aydenator27]

Theres *205* map pack levels? I thought there was only like 100…

[@zakdudies]

Short answer for me: yes only for coins, glow and extra-stars.

[@TrulyAtrocious]

Corrupted kingdom and made in vuossari are good levels

[@merl1nos]

NO. I protest! Corrupted kingdom is the map pack level I hate the most. It has very unfun gameplay and next to 0 effort put into design. Made in vuosaari is very good, though.

[@d3vilishark443]

Mat pats are awesome i think

[@KattycattoGMDV1]

Short answer: only play the mapacks if you wanna torture your self

[@qiomiin]

big little jumpy fan here

[@K1VQsmlyface]

yes to get glow

[@Hyban123]

omg i remember those reversed geometry dash videos lmao, what a time

[@Hyban123]

also I was about to leave a very angry comment about checkmate not being in the video until I made it to the last few mins of the video

[@xVM_0]

As a someone who has beaten all map packs: no, they are not worth playing even if you are star grinder or something just don’t play it (especially insane and demon packs)

[@Jolteon_Dash]

KZbin: No KZbin again: Yes

[@falkster4045]

PG Clubstep Cat

[@wovrnges5928]

yes it Worth and better than list i like every map packs levels also list was so bad🤬🤬🤬

[@JoshTheGreat42]

8:32 why. How.

[@lekoopa3219]

He likes UFO Packs… ok

[@ppllaayyeerr1817]

I've been playing a bit of the map packs and I can definitely say that they are NOWHERE near as bad as people act like they are.

[@bradens.3125]

why do you make good videos

[@emilianojoaquinlopezaburto3451]

the map packs are a pretty good transition into other levels but there are some very bad levels i already beat almost all insanes and im going for the demons after the guntlets also they dont lag (like i respect the work put on the ncs guantlet levels but they are so bad optimized and they fell out of place to be on a guantlet (besides i see stars and maybe ber sek ker)

[@yea-u8b]

you getting quirky with the thumbnails? i saw this show up with the "yes" thumbnail then once i saw it later in recommended it had the "no" thumbnail also about 13:58 nah dude i've beaten 6 extremes (easier extremes but still extremes) and yeah the gp in this level just straight up sucks. the main problem is with the complete lack of visibility for when you need to make your inputs

[@gablor]

PG CLUBSTEP??????

[@mineconhero1000]

10 years later and people are still going on with unhinged rants about map packs 💀 (I'm not saying the arguments are bad.)

[@alyme_r]

i just play map packs until i get all the icons i want

[@aIt-girl]

i find map packs a lot more fun than gaunlets, i completed all map packs but still havent completed the gaunlets