Are the Media Making Mass Shootings Worse?

[@VI-rt7sh]

Much of the cable news media took the angle that the hero who killed the Mall Shooter shouldn't have been carrying a gun. No praise, not even any notion of fair reporting.

[@nathanwoodruff9422]

That is because the media is in collusion with democrats to force gun control onto the rest of us.

[@jnywd8450]

Here in Indiana, news channels close to Indy called him a hero, while a hundred miles away, he was a bum. Then by day two, he was being called a good samaritan. The Indiana law that kept him out of trouble is named, The Good Samaritan Law. 😎 It's worth noting that he hit the target at 30-40 yards away with 80% efficiency. That is good shooting under stress.

[@1Cor1613]

The major news companies WANT mass shootings to happen to boost their ratings.

[@coreymyers5613]

Question, who here have heard the names of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? Okay, now who have heard of Rachel Joy Scott? Food for thought. Edit: I misspelled Rachel's name, my sincere apologies.

[@violatorut2003]

We know why the media does that. They have a fiscal interest in keeping mass shootings going. Any story that helps stop mass shootings does not get circulated. If your business philosophy is “if it bleeds it leads” then you want as much blood as possible.

[@MrDlt123]

Some in the media even went after Elisjsha Dicken, who stopped the recent mall shooter! If YOU were a shooter who wanted to create a high bodycount, wouldnt you choose a 'gun-free' shopping mall that excludes even FBI-vetted concealed carriers? That's insane and assinine! He did what 400 cops in Uvalde refused to do!

[@Dr.pikachuu]

And that's why hes an American hero compared to uvalde

[@elr2141979]

And the media never gave him any recognition for it.

[@gatocles99]

@@elr2141979 It doesn't fit their narrative.

[@ninianstorm6494]

@@gatocles99 need to force city officials to lower inflation/living cost for all those making below 150k per year to prove daca worth it since for ages DC never lower living cost only print dollars to do more refugee crisis Ukrainian Officials Tried To SABOTAGE Trump 2016 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHiqqZ9snalor8U when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc/Blair Iraq Tories Britain to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since McCain-Hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0 but remain rich recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support = 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIW0ZHdnlpKdaJI 2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ7Ve4V-rMeJfZo current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y= 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpKclYqImKmIhqM 3. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3PIg3Vtp7yelZo

[@ninianstorm6494]

@@elr2141979 need to force city officials to lower inflation/living cost for all those making below 150k per year to prove daca worth it since for ages DC never lower living cost only print dollars to do more refugee crisis Ukrainian Officials Tried To SABOTAGE Trump 2016 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHiqqZ9snalor8U when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc/Blair Iraq Tories Britain to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since McCain-Hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0 but remain rich recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support = 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIW0ZHdnlpKdaJI 2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ7Ve4V-rMeJfZo current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y= 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpKclYqImKmIhqM 3. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3PIg3Vtp7yelZo

[@highcaliberexclusive9890]

" NEVER LET A GOOD TRAGEDY GO TO WASTE." - THE NEWS MEDIA

[@markcorsby6744]

" NEVER LET A GOOD TRAGEDY GO TO WASTE." - THE NEWS MEDIA (As well as every single politician and activist)

[@markbenoit]

Exactly, every time we see one of these acts of evil it’s a opportunity for these tyrants to take away law abiding citizens rights. They cherry pick stories.

[@portman3950]

@Dovah-chan damn i thought that was a metal gear rising quote

[@autisticbluesloth5244]

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[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

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[@sebastienledoux7566]

The movie "Natural Born Killers" got it 100% right. When mass shooters are treated like rock stars, you'll get more of it.

[@fmcdomer]

"the latest mass shooter has been captured and we will now broadcast the torturing of this individual" mass shootings solved

[@RoyArrowood]

@@fmcdomer Sounds like a recipe for a dystopia

[@fmcdomer]

@@RoyArrowood so we are living a non dystopia world currently?

[@eltorocal]

So, remove the Camera Eye from the News and simply report on the information only? And, then again, as you report the news, do NOT mention the Mass Assault Weapon Killers name... or the type of GUN they used, or what the possible motive was... Who or How Many Innocent People were Murdered... or where the Killer struck... or the name of the Town or City... or the State... or.... just sweep it all under the rug and pretend it didn't happen... that's the Evilgelical RepubliKKKlan Way. Don't even want to talk about GUN reform... just keep telling yourselves that if GUNS were off the streets, KILLERS would be using Lawn Darts... reich?

[@RoyArrowood]

@@fmcdomer It could certainly be worse. I'm not a fan. It's probably headed for something awful but I certainly don't want to live in a world where public torture is the norm again lol. Punishment should be cold and calculated to prevent further harm. I don't think torturing people as an institution would be good for our collective psyche nor is it the right thing to do. Kinda like coming down to the killers level imo. Just execute the guy and move on. I'm more afraid of what a viscous mob we might become than any school shooter.

[@k633]

Mass shootings went from shameful acts of random violence to a sociopathic game of who has the highest kill count.

[@PopBubbleWrappable]

I've wondered about this for years. Why do we get shooters' names and faces shoved in our faces and hardly any victims? When such horrible antisocial behavior gets rewarded with rock stardom, we get more acts of antisocial behavior.

[@Spudmuffinz]

My grandfather talked about when he was a air traffic controller in the 70s/80s the gov came in and threatened to revoke thier licenses if they talked to the press about another highjacking. According to him once the terrorists stopped getting coverage they quit highjacking almost entirely and moved on to other things. I don't think it's possible today with how connected we are information wise, and such a blatant breach of freedom of press would be harder to hide like it was 40 years ago. But I do agree these scum don't deserve to even be shown on the screen or have a name.

[@scootergrant8683]

I wonder if it is best to name the saviours first then victims later in order to make sure those who deserve praise are at the forefront as I am curious if mentioning victims immediately makes certain people who are not well in the head enjoy that news more.

[@thefourmusketeers7346]

Because they want notoriety, fame and glory for their horrible actions known around the world, and this inspires more copycats

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

They shouldn't be reported on at all buying national news, obviously, they should buy local news outlets just in case you may know someone who knows someone who was killed, but circulating it nationally, even if their name and face are not part of the story, is enough for them

[@thefourmusketeers7346]

@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 notoriety is obviously the motive, remember when Nikolas Cruz said when you see me on the news you will all know who I am

[@ledopmi]

I've been saying this for years. These incidents should not even be national news. It should remain local. The media doesn't report the massive number of inner city killings across the nation. They don't report mass traffic fatalities like this. The media holds massive responsibility and I believe its more to push the gun control agenda more than anything else. Emotion is a powerful motivator.

[@mehrshadvr4]

Lmao. You think not reporting it would solve mass shootings? Knife stabbing in China are not reported and yet it happens regularly. You just don't want gun control regardless of how many people are killed.

[@ledopmi]

@@mehrshadvr4Isn't it wonderful that you are a mentalist? I didn't know that I don't care about people being killed. Thank you for correcting me about my own beliefs! I do want to note that I never said don't report it. That's called putting words in my mouth or creating a straw man to attack because you can't argue against what I actually said. This proves that you know you have a weak argument at best, but you don't care. Convincing yourself that you are right is more important than objective truth. Then again, maybe you didn't intentionally straw-man me. Maybe you just didn't pay attention to what I wrote. Probably not.

[@davidcapps6111]

You are exactly right.

[@1CoupedeTat]

70K dead from drug overdose in US- firearms fatalities focus is a deflection and scapegoat

[@nuclear1617]

I think this is a much more complicated topic than that, since a lot of mass shooting are basically y'know, a bunch of lunatics going ham and shooting innocent's. I honestly think it should be reported on, but maybe a bit differently, snd with more thought.

[@RoyArrowood]

I wonder if the media would change it's tune if the shooters started targeting news stations instead of schools

[@baph0met]

The big media would lobby the government to pass more laws, the other less powerful ones would just cry about it and put it everywhere to force the government to ban guns etc.

[@liamwinter4512]

That would be fascinating and tragic. The Charlie hepto massacres comes to mind

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

I wish they'd target TV stations and legislatures. They both have been told that the attention is making the problem worse.

[@jacobdeem8187]

You can bet the first one wouldn't do it.

[@eltorocal]

@roy arrowood I wonder if YOU would stop being so IGNORANT if the Mass Assault Weapon Killers were to take the life of someone close to You... or show up at Your residence? HELL Yes, you would see things Much More Clearly. So, You say to remove the Camera Eye from the News and simply report on the information only? And, then again, as you report the news, do NOT mention the Mass Assault Weapon Killers name... or the type of GUN they used, or what the possible motive was... Who or How Many Innocent People were Murdered... or where the Killer struck... or the name of the Town or City... or the State... or.... just sweep it all under the rug and pretend it didn't happen... that's the Evilgelical RepubliKKKlan Way. Don't even want to talk about GUN reform... just keep telling yourselves that if GUNS were off the streets, KILLERS would be using Lawn Darts... reich?

[@Ajdruck]

We’ve been saying this for years. Colion Noir made a video on it. If you stop giving these psychos the fame and attention they want it will finally stop.

[@eatmorvegetal3444]

It’ll never stop, but maybe more people will realize that it’s okay to go outside…

[@brainbomb.]

The media are as bad as the criminals.

[@AngelFoxxoJP]

They'll at least hopefully reduce. The specific motive will be greatly reduced as well. Additionally, people will feel more safe and more accurately understand the actual rarity of these scenarios

[@fenderstratADHD]

The attacks should not be publicized by the national media. I think that’s part of what makes these people do these horrific things

[@mobilemcsmarty1466]

there will always be psychos. only I think a serious reduction of tragedies will be a combination of curbing media attention along with the ability to shoot back on the spot.

[@temozarela]

100% agree with the last suggestion. It may be gross, but stops the romanticism and myth created on the serial killers

[@eltorocal]

So, remove the Camera Eye from the News and simply report on the information only? And, then again, as you report the news, do NOT mention the Mass Assault Weapon Killers name... or the type of GUN they used, or what the possible motive was... Who or How Many Innocent People were Murdered... or where the Killer struck... or the name of the Town or City... or the State... or.... just sweep it all under the rug and pretend it didn't happen... that's the Evilgelical RepubliKKKlan Way. Don't even want to talk about GUN reform... just keep telling yourselves that if GUNS were off the streets, KILLERS would be using Lawn Darts... reich?

[@stephenbetz2009]

I disagree. Nearly all of these shooters fully intend to die in a blaze of glory. It is a way to commit suicide in a way that makes them feel powerful - like they are doing something about the turmoil they are experiencing. Nihilism, hatred of life, being unable to find meaning anymore, wanting to end your life, wanting to end life itself, and wanting to end suffering through obliteration - these are the enemies we need to address with these shooters. Their fantasy may be romantic, but it is not a romance missing death. To the contrary - death is the object, and this is an act of worship.

[@eltorocal]

@@stephenbetz2009 Imagine having to call them something else... Car-ers... Truck-ers... knifer-ers... hammer-ers! Get the f**king Military Mass Assault Weapons off the streets, and they will have to use... Hunting Rifles... shotguns... small arms, like handguns... but they are still called "shooters"... so... take those weapons off the streets, and THEN we can call these idiots "Car-ers... Truck-ers... knifer-ers... hammer-ers"! The only thing they all Have In Common? GUNS!!!

[@stephenbetz2009]

@Damien Wayne I'm with you there. It would be better for society for us to focus on the right things - on the things we could actually do that could help. But those are messages for us, not for the killers. As far as discouraging or deterring the bad actors, I'm not so sure that there is anything the media could do that could possibly dissuade them. The media can't fix it, but they can make it worse. At least that is my opinion.

[@eltorocal]

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[@doctorsuarez]

Also think about the whole AR-15 moral panic. Once the media starts freaking out about a particular rifle, they’re telling the next mass killers which gun to use to get the most attention. The panic becomes a positive feedback loop.

[@Evets_03]

They also lie about what gun was used

[@kingwolf9447]

They use buzz words that don't actually exist in the gun world and manufacturing, such as "Assault weapons" which is based on a definition that isn't even consistent from source to source.

[@pm5206]

@@AFunnyUsername Who is “we”? Nukes are ready to use. Lunatics are in control.

[@OKMBVideos]

​@@AFunnyUsername the gun doesn't determine efficiency, the user does. A rifle in the hands of someone who has never shot one is still deadly, but not nearly as deadly as someone who has trained with rifles.

[@katiek.8808]

The short answer is yes. And what’s even worse is media companies already know this.

[@jgamer2228]

Of course they do. They don’t give a fuck. All that matters are clicks because clicks equal money

[@katiek.8808]

@@jgamer2228 if they only care about money why did they waste money to learn this information only to ignore it?

[@jgamer2228]

@@katiek.8808 because it contradicts their narrative that gun owners/anyone that supports the second amendment are the problem. There are over 300 million guns in America. If law-abiding gun owners were the problem, you’d know it.

[@roybiv7018]

I started writing local and national news outlets whenever they show a mass murderer's face or talked about their lives. A phone call or quick email from enough people can make a difference.

[@dal8963]

They get more people watching who are angry about what they are broadcasting then agree with it. Today people only want to see things that upset them. So I fear this would do nothing but increase coverage only when people are not interested will they change corse and that's not going to happen over children being shoot at school so write your representatives to increase school sercurity with armed police at main doors locking tge other entrances and screening thru metal detectors like a Court room is guarded we can afford to guard our children.

[@getthegoons]

@@dal8963 this was proposed a while ago. Obama wouldn't do it.

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

Yes, the media and politicians are making it worse. Psychologists have been telling both for years. What's that say about their morality?

[@Razor-gx2dq]

What morality?

[@etahydri]

I think you meant to say neurology

[@canislatrans8285]

That they are as sociopathic as the killers themselves. Politicians are all dirty scoundrels, and the media is their lapdog. The lefty media is dominant and sell their souls to the gun control lobby. Nothing but a bunch of lies, and covering up defensive shooting incidences.

[@jasonlacroix6083]

Unfettered capitalism commodifies everything. Even kindergarteners getting blown away.

[@nate7778]

@@jasonlacroix6083 This isn't capitalism. This is the government wanting to disarm the population and the media acting as an extension of the establishment.

[@Adam13Chalmers]

Soccer fan here. Tv coverage decided to stop showing the naked streakers and others who rushed the field. I expect their thinking was, 'let's not encourage this behavior'. But at the same time, the networks probably felt that these events didn't make their product more compelling. Mass shootings should not bring notoriety or fame to the individual, as argued in this video, but it will be more difficult for networks to resist when they know their audience want's to see and hear all the gory details, and dig into the life of the perpetrator. Networks need to take some responsibility here and not chase the easy buck.

[@markcorsby6744]

" NEVER LET A GOOD TRAGEDY GO TO WASTE." - THE NEWS MEDIA (As well as every single politician and activist)

[@jasonlacroix6083]

The streakers still get the attention of the fans in the stadium. Plus, it's just a fun tradition!!

[@jimwerther]

The media also doesn't report names of sexual assualt victims

[@karendalsadik7119]

People don’t always need medication. Sometimes they need life skills, discipline and emotional intelligence. In addition some kindness and attention.

[@jasonlacroix6083]

@Dub Jubs the dude sounds like a socialist. Probably a Venezuelan.

[@f1champ551]

And also, as Larry Sharpe said for a while, they need Purpose to live.

[@billvigus3719]

And fathers in their lives

[@f1champ551]

@@billvigus3719 that too

[@biker6070]

Medication has been proven to make things worse (unless it’s for conditions who actually need it, like bipolar and schizophrenia)

[@earlye]

We can actually put the competitive nature of media to positive effect. It is not uncommon for CNN to point out Fox's failings and vice-versa. If one of the major networks started publicly shaming the others for "supporting" mass shooters by showing their faces, names, and generally giving them the fame they crave, while at the same time focusing on victims and abstaining from divulging the perpetrators' faces, names, etc., and explained why sharing that info is destructive (perhaps interviewing Lankford and like-minded researchers at the same time), perhaps the other producers would take note and change their behavior. This is an opportunity for any of the media companies to set themselves apart, lead by example, and taint their competitors' brands.

[@XRinger]

Post this video on your social media. Send a link to your favorite news sources. This news "filtering" needs to be done ASAP, because responsible reporting is likely to save many children.

[@eltorocal]

@@XRinger You people are Imbeciles! Video Recordings that went DIRECTLY TO Social Media, in order to INFORM the Public... The WORLD of Military Mass Assault Weapon Massacre at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, is what led to the Open Investigations which were escalated in GOOD Time. Those Uvalde Sheriff's, the Border Patrol... they LIED at least 12 Times in 10 Days... and they would NOT release any FACT Based information to the public. They put So Many SPINS on their stories that NOBODY in the community will EVER trust them again. HELL People, they DEMONIZED, Harassed, Stalked and THREATENED the Mother who, after released from handcuffs, jumped the fence and went into the school and saved her Two babies. And because someone posted the footage and The TRUTH of her Bravery on Social Media, YOU will BLAME the Civilian with the CAMERA? The Sheriff's and Border Patrol Agents harassed, Bullied, Threatened and Handcuffed the Parents in stead of doing their Duties of Finding and Capturing the Mass Assault Weapon-Armed Killer. When all Video Evidence was finally released, do you know how many Law Enforcement Officers were found to be on the grounds? Over 200 LEO's. But sure... BLAME the Brave Mother who not only SAVED her two children, but also saved as many as 16 others... all while The Law Enforcement stood around outside, harassing and threatening the other PARENTS!!! The parents of the Murdered Babies had to give DNA Swabs in order to Identify their own children, because that Military Mass Assault Weapon used was so Powerful that the babies HEADS were gone... decapitated 6 of the babies... 7 others faces were unrecognizable... and the others were missing limbs. FACT!!! You people are IGNORANT!!! TALK ABOUT THE WEAPONS USED!!! Talk, Non-Stop about the Military Mass Assault Weapons on our streets! Make the REAL Problem Known! You notice that the News agencies aren't talking about Missiles, TANKS, Fighter Jets and Bazooka's on our streets?

[@eltorocal]

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[@eltorocal]

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[@stp479]

Problem is you can't taint the black souls all of our MSM now have. It's up to independents.

[@28ebdh3udnav]

The media lies all the time. Recent examples: Buffalo shooter. He purchased it legally. He modified the gun illegally by buying the part in another state and bought the standard magazine across state lines. According to the media, the gun store illegally sold him the AR without background check when even the local police said it was done legally. Texas shooting: they said that he purchased the guns online, but with the reporting, they implied that it could be shipped to your home directly when in fact he purchased it and sent it to an FFL and made the purchased legally. Something the media completely left out. The Illinois shooting, they said that he illegally obtained it but they never said how he got it. The media left that out completely.

[@galenicalhoover6508]

A large part of the media problem is journalists who have deeply held beliefs such as the belief that civilian ownership of firearms must end. That one belief, held by many in the media, will prevent the "don't name them" meme from taking hold. "Whatever the cost to put an end to the 2nd, hmm?

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

TFW you realize "how many people need to die before we change this" might be more of a threat than a warning

[@l.f.1031]

They hate your freedoms, let’s be real.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

@Survivor #1776 I mean I stole it from some other guy on reddit who probably stole it from somewhere else lol. Truth doesn't need quotation marks.

[@loganbagley7822]

Yeah, I personally think that the statement at 6:54 is inaccurate. Many in the media don't care how many innocents need to die, as long as people give up their 2A rights in the end.

[@keahilumho8914]

Stopped just short of legally armed citizens protecting themselves and communities at the end…..but I agree 100% and thank you all for your efforts and sacrifices that got this made. May God bless all the works of your hands

[@gravelrhoads]

This! This! This! I work in local market tv and the way news stories are presented today are very different from when I started in the early 90's. Everything has to be sensationalized now. And if it can't be salacious, as well? Even better. Don't feed the egos of these pieces of $*%@! Make them nobodies. While we're at it, let's find out what's driving them to this horrific fame. And outlawing most guns isn't the answer. Ask anyone in the UK that's willing to answer truthfully how that's worked for them.

[@eltorocal]

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[@acex222]

It's worked incredibly well for us.

[@brawlstarssponsorships]

whats a "market tv" lol you sure u work there?

[@gravelrhoads]

@@brawlstarssponsorships Yes, I'm sure. Local Market TV is generally where you watch NBC, CBS, ABC and the like in your local area either over the air broadcast (OTA), satellite or cable. Although, lately you can watch OTT (over the top) on Hulu and KZbin TV, Sling TV and a few other places online.

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

Mate, UK's fine. It's YOUR country that's the big problem.

[@benjamindover4337]

Funny how you don't see corporate advertisers taking a stand on this issue.

[@baph0met]

I don't see how it should concern them.

[@benjamindover4337]

@@baph0met advertisers often break ties with companies that promote violence

[@baph0met]

@@benjamindover4337 Which companies in this context promote violence? The news? If so why should the advertisers break ties? Is this criticism of the hypocrisy of the advertisers that they pick and choose what violence they promote? Sorry I'm dumb and lost in what you mean.

[@benjamindover4337]

@@baph0met Yes I mean to suggest that this particular kind of violence appears to be favored by corporate advertisers. And if it is, then it may be interesting to consider why.

[@eltorocal]

Rest assured, the NRA is doling out fist-fulls of Dead Presidents as we speak.

[@SheWhoRemembers]

They started reporting on Road Rage in L.A. in 90's and incidents went up. Then they stopped the reports and rates went back down.

[@Kneephry]

I think it's fair to give the public an idea of motives (without publishing detailed 'manifestos' or letters they create to get a bunch of attention) but I agree there's no reason to publish the perpetrators name or picture. Keep them named as a nobody.

[@eltorocal]

"...but I agree there's no reason to publish the perpetrators name or picture. Keep them named as a nobody" Same with: Drunk Drivers? Hit and Run Drivers? Felony Flight/Car Chases? Serial Rapists? Domestic Abuse Perps? Bank Robbers/Thieves? Child Molesters? Domestic Terrorists? Foreign Terrorists? Tornados? Flash Floods? Wildfires? Hurricanes? You people are IGNORANT!!! TALK ABOUT THE WEAPONS USED!!! Talk, Non-Stop about the Military Mass Assault Weapons on our streets! Make the REAL Problem Known! You notice that the News agencies aren't talking about Missiles, TANKS, Fighter Jets and Bazooka's on our streets?

[@Mintstar_Oceanpop]

Let them fade to obscurity. I like it.

[@keptinkrunchactual]

Should use a moniker rather than their names. For example, John Doe (date of shooting). Ex. John Doe 11/8/22. Or the place and date. Ex. Uvalde M 5/24/22. That'll be good anonymity while getting info out the public.

[@stevehartwell1861]

Manifesto is media hype.

[@sethmokami]

There’s a song by Disturbed called “Legion of Monsters” that talks about this, how the media giving these monsters attention will only encourage others to do the same. I didn’t think much of it when I heard the song for the first time a few years back, but after a few more events have happened I definitely see that they had a point. Great video, I’m glad to see there’s legit research on this.

[@gircakes]

Something similar happened where a famous person on an island committed suicide and tons of suicides followed because he put the idea of committing suicide in the forefront of many peoples’ minds. They should at least show the victims’ faces more than the shooter’s. Make them famous, not the perpetrators.

[@Name-nw9uj]

I learned this lesson years ago, when I was a child. When I watched the events in sandy hook unfold, and I thought, and thought, and in that little mind suffering from unmedicated ADHD I thought that same answer, of *why* people do these things. It was obvious. They want attention, they get it, and then someone else wants it too.

[@murrismiller2312]

The media refuses to confront SIN...SOOOO Yes !!!! Media will never say spank !!! ...or discipline !! ...or even criminal, now a days !!

[@Veltrosstho]

Truthfully, I feel the only way to counter act this growing problem isn't to silence the news, but rather flip the narrative, focus on the victems and openly mock the people who commit these crimes, let them see society will notice them, and mock them for being so self centered that they'd kill others than help them selves. I know this may seem extreme, and frankly I couldn't imagine it working either. But it's sort of the only solution I see at this point.

[@i_like_the_7]

"Society is punished by the children it fails to protect." - Buddha

[@swedishancap3672]

So lemme get this straight. Some people decided "I wanna be famous". They took their weapons and went about shooting a bunch of people. Wow.

[@eddieallen2092]

Google: homicidal ideation

[@rucker69]

Facilitated by federal agents in many cases.

[@eddieallen2092]

@leftism is a disease it's best not to respond to comments you don't completely understand, kid.

[@drno62]

Wow what? Did you think mass shooters had more noble intentions?

[@mikenagy938]

I don't get your sarcasm here. If you think you can understand the demented mind why aren't you famous?

[@robertgraham2656]

The Daily Wire does not publish the names or images of mass shooters.

[@Edwardmodos]

The Greenwood, Indiana mall shooter was wearing a Covid mask. Oh. The bitter irony...

[@janeblogs324]

They gave the green light for criminals to hide their identity, yet many were filmed looting without a mask lol

[@bush2239]

Elisjsha Dicken is what I want to be when I grow up - a responsible gun owner who is prepared to take a life to save many. This man is what we need more of in our society, remember YOU and YOU alone are responsible for you safety.

[@thefourmusketeers7346]

Unfortunately 3 people lost rheir lives, Elisha intervened before more people could be killed may God bless him

[@rogersheddy6414]

I really felt that the worst case of this was the Virginia Tech shooting. The murderer made a video of himself, made multiple copies, and put them in Federal Express packaging, sending him out the night before to all these media outlets. The very next day, when he committed the murders, his picture was on the cover of newspapers and magazines across the country. An image he chose to represent himself with pistols in hand pointed at the camera. Now imagine you are the mother of a student who is murdered by this freak, and you step out the door only to find a newspaper looking up at you but the same image that your daughter had just before she died at the hands of this freak. Those parents missed a wonderful chance to sue all of these media outlets for the trauma that I am sure they felt. The only way that a media Outlet is going to respect citizens as if they lose money as a result of their disrespect. I also have long felt that the FBI should have focused on these cases by seizing every single last personal effect owned by the shooter in any murder like this, and to seize the body and not release it to family members and keep it for forensic study until it's been absolutely totally parceled out to Laboratories wherever they would keep those bits and pieces. No need for a grave to celebrate some freak. Further, I had always felt that the Press, which is perfectly willing to keep certain people's names out of the press, ought to always be required to keep the names of these people concealed forever. We should never know names like Carl panzram or Charles Manson or Ted bundy.

[@Joshdyisdifh]

It started with Columbine...

[@rogersheddy6414]

@@Joshdyisdifh Before that. Austin Texas.... But even that was not the first.

[@cattanic494]

@@rogersheddy6414 And before that Bath, Michigan But even that was not the first…

[@sway696]

I get everything he's saying about not giving them the attention they want but it's still not addressing the problem. I don't understand why society these day's refuses to believe that 1. They cannot see this coming and 2. You cannot ban your way out if danger and you can demolish the building but the scars still remain. Just like taking down statues won't change the past. Learn from it stop trying to run from it. Some evil you have no choice but to fight.

[@williambowling8211]

The major obstacle to effectively preventing these mass shootings is that the media and political figures accept the ostensible motive these shooters give, especially if it's racial, and the only if the shooters is white. All of these shooters suffer from the same mental illness, but their target depends on the particular rhetoric that directs their fear and/or anger. I have seen some commentators come tantalizing close to this conclusion, but no one in power seems to have made it. Until they do, the failures you have cited will continue.

[@jayray6926]

Daily Wire is the only media outlet I know of that will not show or name mass shooters.

[@carlos_takeshi]

It would have been nice to see this acknowledged.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

As they should

[@blackheartkoda2269]

Unfortunately it will never end unless we stop glorifying the shooter's in these incidents.

[@frankernest3712]

If it bleeds, it leads. The media has always has a sick motivation

[@Shadowgrace760]

Remember Riley Howell too! He jumped on the UNCC shooter and prevented many more deaths! He’s also listed as a Jedi now by the Star Wars universe for his actions as well. May he rest in peace and may the force be with him!

[@plekkchand]

The question is why the answer is not obvious to everyone.

[@violatorut2003]

I think it’s because people don’t want to admit that they want to read about these kinds of things. If people weren’t so interested in these things, then the media would not cover it. If these stories are basically just easy clickbait, then the solution is to stop clicking on them. That will remove the incentive for the media to cover those stories.

[@nate7778]

@@violatorut2003 I lost interest once they turned every story into a propaganda piece for "gun control." I don't think I've even clicked on a mass shooter story in over a year.

[@violatorut2003]

@@nate7778 absolutely right. I go further and assume all mainstream news is propaganda “falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus”. I go to gun websites for shooting news. At least they are have more experience with guns and have a pragmatic perspective towards guns. Just listening to the media get basic things wrong is enough show how much journalistic integrity, or even just simple concern, they actually have. Just simple stuff like full auto vs semi auto. It’s so easy to research it that I think they are outright lying. The average gun control supporter is just as bad but only because they are ignorant and are too lazy or apathetic to actually do the research. Makes me glad we don’t live in a direct democracy.

[@saltcrab6419]

Spread fear. Be angry, be scared. Be angry, be scared. Be angry, be scared. Be angry, be scared.

[@mkultra6664]

Are we seriously just now realizing this? Why are we still listening to the media? Why are we still watching shows controlled by the companies in the commercials?

[@littleteethkeith]

Guns have nothing to do with it.

[@mikem4984]

Completely support the idea of showing dead purps on mass media.

[@jfangm]

I was in middle school when Columbine happened, and even then, I said that the news talking about it constantly was only going to lead to copycats.

[@MrSam2497]

Disturbed summed up the mass shooting problem almost too well in 'Legion of Monsters' Some were barely alive Too many didn't survive Still they kept repeating headlines shouting the name Do they not realize The future demons with the hope of becoming the one at the top of the screen? You made certain they were right at the top of the page You disrespected the dead When the only name was of the one who committed the murder at the top of the page You made sure the world will remember the name But didn't the thought even enter your mind You'd give a new legion of monsters a reason to take your life And I call you a pimp, as you whore the insane The damage you caused you cannot rectify You've inspired new legions of monsters determined to take more life

[@Mintstar_Oceanpop]

I like this. Did you come up with this?

[@MrSam2497]

@@Mintstar_Oceanpop kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJXMqYN6qs93aMk

[@catraoinekelly2879]

@@Mintstar_Oceanpop I believe it's the lyrics to a song written and performed by the band Disturbed

[@Mintstar_Oceanpop]

@@catraoinekelly2879 Thanks!

[@Uzumakibarage]

I remember a professor wrote a book on suicide and how it increased when media talked about it , suicide rates also went up when his book about suicide was sold .

[@Darthdoodoo]

No crimes should be talked about on TV or in the media until a person has had their Fair trial. How can you possibly get a fair trial if you're all over the news having your story twisted whether you're guilty or innocent a school shooter or somebody who is drunk driving they shouldn't be talking about your court case on TV before your court case it should be confidential so that the jury is absolutely impartial and knows nothing of the story until they are told the facts and only the facts

[@isaiahsmith6016]

I agree. But, given how fast information travels in the modern age, that'll never happen. Not unless you could somehow prevent people from uploading information or scrub it from the web entirely and those solutions present problems of their own.

[@256weknow]

Damn it I didn’t want a teacher or student to go into the school but I think it should be all of Texas law enforcement active shooter training

[@roflchopter11]

5:00 so now we know that the Vegas shooter just wanted fame?

[@canislatrans8285]

I still think it was a false flag. The pic I saw of the shooter has a bullet casing setting on top of the congealed blood from his head wound. This would suggest another shooter firing a gun some time after the so called lone shooter was dead. I will also add the staged looking pic of the Glock Adam Lanza used to kill himself. The jammed round appears to be backwards and is not stovepiped, a double feed, or other normal jams. I have never seen a jam where the whole cartridge has turned backwards and is still lined up straight in the breech. Heck, never heard of a jammed cartridge being backwards! Did someone load the mag backwards? LOL

[@Hannah-y2z]

it's similar to the huge spike in girls cutting. They were struggling and were looking for a way to self sooth, then they learnt about cutting from friends, tv, and from school assemblies etc, they learn it gives them attention and sympathy, and then they try it and get hooked. It's partly a social contagion.

[@christerry1773]

Media doesn’t want to see people die, but they also don’t seem to have an issue with covering the stories and watching the rating and Income spike.

[@aaronkalahar-_-_-]

Great interview. Good questions. Solid work my friend!

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

People are living in a dystopia. Sad but true.

[@marcostadeo3577]

Remember the shooter at the Indiana mall? Me neither. Why? Because he died humiliated by a kid at 40 yards.

[@jimbo9305]

If we're not going to allow teachers to be armed, we should at least harden the schools. Banks have vaults and bullet-resistant glass and armed guards. City hall has metal detectors and police checking visitors. Yet schools are about as soft a target as you can get. The outside doors at Robb Elementary weren't even locked! FFS, this isn't some new thing that's never happened ever. With all the funding school receive, can we pretty please get a door that locks?!

[@SCIXFI]

I’d rather them reform media , instead of the unconscious firearms

[@alexanderx33]

Make the good guys with a gun famous! The ordinary citizens.

[@tedgerahedron]

thank you for putting out information that's actually helpful

[@jacobhuff3748]

I would prefer if media outlets just waited at least 2 weeks before releasing pertinent info on the shooter and their motives. Give the public time to process emotionally what happen before informing them of the details so that we could get closer to a honest discussion on what happened and what we could do to mitigate the frequency or/and severity of these events. One way or another the info will get out but a less emotionally traumatizing approach to coverage would be key to having a more informed perspective to what happened and how to prevent or minimize such atrocities.

[@eltorocal]

Sure... just Like the Uvalde Sheriff's Department and the CBP agents had time... so they thought. Time to make a narrative that FIT their COWARDICE!!! 12 Times their stories changed... 12 Times in 10 Days. So, WE, The People should have GIVEN them More Time, Reich? More time to put the Necessary SPIN on Their Kellyanne CONway "...gulp... alternative facts", so the questions could be more easily answered? I mean, HELL... those Damn Hard Questions that those parents COULD HAVE BEEN asking... 2 Weeks Later! You people are Imbeciles! Video Recordings that went DIRECTLY TO Social Media, in order to INFORM the Public... The WORLD of Military Mass Assault Weapon Massacre at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, is what led to the Open Investigations which were escalated in GOOD Time. Those Uvalde Sheriff's, the Border Patrol... they LIED at least 12 Times in 10 Days... and they would NOT release any FACT Based information to the public. They put So Many SPINS on their stories that NOBODY in the community will EVER trust them again. HELL People, they DEMONIZED, Harassed, Stalked and THREATENED the Mother who, after released from handcuffs, jumped the fence and went into the school and saved her Two babies. And because someone posted the footage and The TRUTH of her Bravery on Social Media, YOU will BLAME the Civilian with the CAMERA? The Sheriff's and Border Patrol Agents harassed, Bullied, Threatened and Handcuffed the Parents in stead of doing their Duties of Finding and Capturing the Mass Assault Weapon-Armed Killer. When all Video Evidence was finally released, do you know how many Law Enforcement Officers were found to be on the grounds? Over 200 LEO's. But sure... BLAME the Brave Mother who not only SAVED her two children, but also saved as many as 16 others... all while The Law Enforcement stood around outside, harassing and threatening the other PARENTS!!! The parents of the Murdered Babies had to give DNA Swabs in order to Identify their own children, because that Military Mass Assault Weapon used was so Powerful that the babies HEADS were gone... decapitated 6 of the babies... 7 others faces were unrecognizable... and the others were missing limbs. FACT!!! You people are IGNORANT!!! TALK ABOUT THE WEAPONS USED!!! Talk, Non-Stop about the Military Mass Assault Weapons on our streets! Make the REAL Problem Known! You notice that the News agencies aren't talking about Missiles, TANKS, Fighter Jets and Bazooka's on our streets?

[@AflacMan13]

Short Answer: YES. 110%.

[@thorshammer7883]

The thirst for glory and fame without any fear of punishment by a most high power sure has inspired alot of wicked lawlessness amongst the hearts of young men and further purpulated by the entertainment and the media. It is a combination of many sinful things which leads and even teaches lawlessness being promoted within a population. Like the roots of thorns that is choking the field of trees which should be producing good fruits.

[@eltorocal]

Evilgelicals... 'cause there ain't no Hate like Christian Love.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@eltorocal If that is supposed to be ridicule then atleast be more clear.

[@naftalibendavid]

Wow! Thanks for spreading the word

[@pantarkan7]

The 'problem' is that the news apparatus has become an infotainment system; and sensational events are 'more' entertaining. Thus, they RACE to do absolutely everything that should not be done, if the goal is to reduce the attention perpetrators get. The thiing is changing the approach to distributing information about such an event wouldn't have to make that big a dent in the distribution of the news, it would just shift where the emphasis was; because it is the emphasis on showcasing the perpetrators that is apparently very influential.

[@Teirusu155]

I've said this for years. Never call them by their names. Call them cowards and losers. Make it embarrassing.

[@Red_with_lead]

"Media coverage incentivises mass shooters" No shit. We've been saying that in the gun community for 20 years. You're not exactly breaking new ground here.

[@sillykot9970]

I agree with you 100% but videos like this shed light on the actual issue instead of just "yooooo someone just killed alot of people I sure wish I was less capable of defending myself"

[@duncanmoore3780]

We, as a society, must embrace a 'Damnatio Memoriae' when it comes to these events. That law, or a sense of moral obligation must leash Media and curb its monetary incentives for sensationalism over general information distribution.

[@Sammysapphira]

The media ignores the mental health aspect of the perpetrator. We have a strange bias in society where we aren't allowed to talk about the reasons somebody does something because some people interoperate it as a "defense" of the perpetrator rather than preventative research. Young men are more mentally ill than ever, they feel alone and isolated. The only ways young men are able to date and meet people is via tinder, simply asking people in school/work isn't a thing anymore and gets you ousted as a creep. These young boys get home after school feeling alone and dejected and log onto tinder to see 0 matches day in and day out because they're not 6 foot tall or not naturally muscular or sporty. 80% of young men don't meet the standards of companionship. and they feel like a failure and get resentful so they give up and lock themselves away to video games. Worse, they join extremist women hating groups and blame everything on women. The mentality/perspective of a school shooter is one of a martyr, one that's fighting back against all the bullies and "sticking up for the little guy" (themself). It's a twisted victim's mentality that is born out of the sorry state of communication in our society right now, where you're not even allowed to speak to people unless they swipe yes on an app. Imagine being a teen again and going to school, talking to *literally* nobody, getting home, and being able to talk to *literally* nobody. Who are you going to talk to? You're going to go to fringe angry forums full of people like this who are cursing a legitimately unfair society Whenever classmate retrospectives are put out about these kids the classmates always say something like "He was just weird and always sat in the back, nobody ever talked to him blah blah" Give people a chance, for goodness sake. Just say 'Good morning x!' Chances are it's the only time that type gets interaction.

[@KratostheThird]

All Millennials and Zoomers need to read this comment.

[@KratostheThird]

Online forums are generally hiveminds anyway. They are basically cults, to put this bluntly.

[@Sokofeather]

A good essay on how violence is so often 'mimetic', we do what we see others do. We embody models. What models are being presented to young people? Perversion, illness and violence.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

Yes

[@deanhawksley2186]

So true ,glad someone is addressing this issue, professional done

[@youraverageoperator]

The reason I think that mass shootings are being reported more and more, is that people who don't like guns in civilian hands report it more, and longer, and that gets attention, so other company's do the same, and it keeps growing.

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

people want to see the shooters race, sex, and looks, making them a boon for the press. if you want to have a positive change, then call the shooters... "the shooter." if you want to make a positive change, show the faces of the people shot. it's not complicated.

[@willstikken5619]

Calling them a shooter is using normalizing language to both minimize what they did and make it seem significantly less heinous. They're murderers. There is no need to sugar coat that. the point in the video is that you don't need to make them famous murderers, except in prison where everyone should know they killed children...

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

@@willstikken5619 and you really think calling them "murderers" is going to stop the next boy from walking into a school or mall to get a "bad mother fucker" rep? being refereed to as a "shooter" conveys a generic and anonymous image where "murderer" is heinous, yes, but isn't that the image they are going for? there is no sugarcoating with shooter, it's anonymous, calling them "troubled youths" or "victims of a broken system" is sugarcoating, painting them beige is exactly the opposite of what they are looking for. think.

[@willstikken5619]

@@DanielMartinez-lz3ot I do not pretend calling them murderers will dissuade them from doing this, but i have no illusions that calling them shooters will either. Just because you're using less sugar doesn't mean you aren't still sugarcoating. What you're promoting doesn't diminish their rep in the slightest, at least not among those who care about this or react as you portray. It wouldn't matter if you started calling them cute widdle cuddlie wuddlies with guns, its the same meaningless change. What you're watering down instead is the public outrage and turning it into acceptance which is the last thing we should want. The point of this video is that we should report these events but deny these people their fame. Giving them softer labels won't have any impact.

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

@@willstikken5619 don't like your notions being challenged, do you? I can't believe you didn't watch the video, so I can only surmise that you completely missed the point.

[@willstikken5619]

@@DanielMartinez-lz3ot Which notion of mine have you actually challenged? From our conversation so far I don't believe I'm the one disliking their assumptions being challenged, considering you've only responded to things i didn't actually say or with this weak sauce personal attack. You've staked your claim on the least relevant, most ineffectual change we could make in those rare cases where shooter isn't already the label being used...

[@jacobdeem8187]

Absolutely

[@billvigus3719]

Agreed that the reports shouldn't be sensationalized. But we should also target the causes of mass shooting. Many of these shooters either had no father or their father was mostly absent. Our focus should be on the media reporting how good and important strong nuclear families are.

[@KratostheThird]

Nuclear families haven’t been strong since the 1960s/1970s.

[@Skullnaught]

Yes they are. Done

[@violatorut2003]

The media is only partly to blame. The media would not run the story if the public weren’t so interested.

[@snoopy-girl]

but like rightfully so. A tragedy happened and you don't want to know why?

[@violatorut2003]

@@snoopy-girl to be honest, I don’t know. At some level sure, studying it may help prevent it in the future but, unless you are directly a part of it, people should mind their own business. Also I would call it more like an act of evil than a tragedy.

[@nedrgr21]

While I agree with the conclusion, I wouldn't trust Lankford as a researcher. He brought us 'no other country in the world has the violence problem we have' and that was thoroughly debunked by CPRC

[@burkean]

Well done, tasteful treatment. And congrats to Reason for being willing to consider such an opinion. Clearly, this is not the libertarian approach. This fails the WWARD test (what would Ayn Rand do). This calls for a moderate amount of patriarchal restraint.

[@johnnyjohn-johnson7738]

I don't think the "Ayn Rand" way is practical in the political system we have and the nature of our politicians, if we were in a society run by Anarchist types maybe we could get away with just giving the press maximum freedoms but in actuality it's ether our right to own weapons versus giving our suited overlords the slightest excuse to take them, no thanks I'd rather sacrifice the media's ability to ogle some freak to save our ability to own guns where the only alternative is letting the nutcases get maximum attention which would inevitably give the nanny state the green light, until such a nanny state is gone all approaches will be more right leaning then libertarian in order to preserve a libertarian lifestyle in a strange twist of irony.

[@grotesquehead322]

Since when is Ayn Rand the model for libertarian principals? She wasn't even a libertarian.

[@Laughing.Lion.]

I would argue that the media makes everything worse.

[@notthefbi7932]

Average of 10,000 DUI deaths a year nation wide, just think that would be a bigger deal 🤔

[@eltorocal]

Just like the NRA, the ATF has its hands constantly Filled with Dead Presidents passed under the table. If everything was Well Regulated, there would be NO DEATHS! And without their... ...SQUIRREL moments, how the HELL will they be able to distract us long enough for them to pass CORRUPT Bills that enrichen them even further?

[@rogermcbadlad2812]

You would be right, but this triggers a primal fear which can be exploited.

[@Crazyfootballguy]

its a reward system. killer wannabees act maybe even subconsciously on media attention.

[@jefferydebbink282]

Yet the press never talk about the Norway shooter or the 2016 Nice, France trucker Bastille Day attack.

[@eltorocal]

@Jeffy... what are you, eleven? Do you really think that Norway and France are broadcasting OUR Military Mass Assault Weapon Massacres? SURE, they are... and guess what, dummy? They are learning from OUR mistakes. Have a look at their Military Mass Assault Weapon Massacres in Their Country in just the past year... then look at Ours. Learn anything? They sure are.

[@turkeyswissandcheddaronwho8203]

Yes, 100%, absolutely

[@dawfydd]

Why is the discussion always avoiding the biggest problem we can cure? Bullying - in Schools. - For years Bullying has been this Grey area not taken seriously enough by the schools and teachers and when reported to indifferent parents results in NOTHING. Its just acceptable behavior we've taught our kids that bullying is just something that happens and you try to avoid it where you can, but are we teaching them the right lessons? If the bully's themselves turned out to be the Mass killers we'd deal with this problem tomorrow but because its their victims, we don't want to shift the blame onto the parents and children of the monsters, who made the monster. And why? Because if we started talking about it we'd have to take action.. right now talk about mass shootings is ratings gold its scary it gets attention.. reforms and real change that could prevent it.. breaks the hold people in the Media have on us when these cases come up. The MILLIONS of dollars earnt by covering school shootings. So yes, the Media make it worse for pushing the cause out of the public eye as well as keeping these popular and making the shooters rockstars. "We'll remember him forever" - says the young woman who has a camera shoved into her face for ratings, while she wonders if she'll ever sleep again, cha-ching ratings gold.

[@jonnyOysters]

That's a myth. Most school shooters aren't bully victims.

[@sixpest]

The answer is yes.

[@jharris0341]

"Incompetent, unaccountable police"

[@benjaminmcclelland2464]

Ive been saying this for a while. Good to know that there's research that backs what I've said up.

[@flyoverkid55]

Researchers like Lankford provide hard evidence to support that which many have believed for years. Bestowing a celebrity status to killers is counter productive. This isn't to say that incidents like this shouldn't be reported, but rather that the perpetrators should be relegated to near anonymity. Let law enforcement collect and collate data, the public's insatiable desire for gruesome details is troublesome and serves no useful purpose.

[@akhon5214]

There needs to be a serious movement to inform the media how they should cover stories like this.

[@theGefilteFist]

While reason considering this is definitely better than not, it’s so beyond obvious I’m not sure I could really say I respect it

[@kennethcraig9228]

I agree, but it doesn't hurt to hammer the point home, does it? I hope that everyone understands this already, but you never know.

[@kennethcraig9228]

I agree, but it doesn't hurt to hammer the point home, does it? I hope that everyone understands this already, but you never know.

[@theGefilteFist]

@@kennethcraig9228 I like how you live your values.

[@kennethcraig9228]

@@theGefilteFist lmao, nice.

[@Mr79dream]

Thank you

[@mcalsip]

I think that is the opposite direction that we should go into. You should show the faces and names of these shooters. But you should also go through all of their social media and interview people who know them and find out the most embarrassing thing about them. Then dub them by that event as a nickname. You have to put the other weird kids on notice that if they pull a shooting, they won't be portrayed as dangerous, mysterious, or as he who shall not be named. Instead, they will simply be known as the poopy pants killer. Kissed his sister too long shooter. The tiny feet coward.

[@XRinger]

No. Making them infamous is still Clickbaiting. Best they be forgotten forever.

[@mcalsip]

@@XRinger not infamous, embarrassed. They are already unforgettable and trying to pretend otherwise hasn't been working

[@johnnyjohn-johnson7738]

That could make things worse by making them more relatable, look at the amount of people in Japan who sympathize with Shinzo Abe's killer because the media heavily reported his "embarrassing" backstory to the public (he was thrown out of the Navy due to mental problems, and his mother was a religious fanatic who threw away all her money to a church), you'd think this would make him seem pathetic but a lot of people related to him and made him a millionaire through donations despite being incarcerated. I wouldn't be surprise if similar attack happens in the future now.

[@mcalsip]

@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 you revealed the weakness of your own argument by putting "embarrassed" in quotes. Those aren't embarrassing details of his life. They are sympathetic.

[@johnnyjohn-johnson7738]

@@mcalsip It's not a weakness, that was actually my point, the details that should in theory be embarrassing on account of making the individual fit the "loser" archetype could alternatively be interpreted in a way that views the subject as a relatable underdog type person who faced trials and hardships.

[@AshGreen359]

This is what happens when you raise an entire generation of people who think they are special

[@chthulu27]

short answer: yes. long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss

[@Kghammond852]

I've said this before we shouldn't go after the branch we should go for the roots. In my opinion the root of the problem is media and the mental health crisis.

[@44SCB]

I've been saying this for a long time now. What makes these mass shootings so much more common than they used to be, isn't an increase in availability to guns, or increase in firearms technology. Yes, better firearms technology has made it possible, but it's not the root cause. We've had semi automatic detachable magazine fed, high capacity magazine guns, since the early 1900, and not nearly the number of mass shootings there are now. And there's always been people evil enough to do mass shootings as well. I think the difference is, the Columbine shooters gave people the idea to do it, where as before, not too many people had thought of it. I knew a person who was expelled from my high school for threatening to shoot it up, and he said that the Columbine shooters were his heroes, because they were the first to do it. I think that says a lot, what these people are looking for, is to get their names out there. The media attention they're given is what causes them to do this, and that also explains why after one happens, there's always a few more that happen within a close proximity to it.

[@44SCB]

@Dub Jubs Oh, I absolutely think you're right. Serial killers used to be all the rage, but now it's one and done mass killers. These guys are the biggest jackasses on the planet, and we need to stop giving them attention. I remember they made the Boston Marathon bomber look like a movie star or some shit.

[@dreamweaver1603]

If advertising didn’t work, companies wouldn’t spend millions of dollars on it. What the media does by talking about every aspect of the people who do this is nothing short of advertising.

[@jgamer2228]

Yes, they absolutely are. Because with every sensationalized tragedy some other lunatic sees how much attention the shooter is getting and decide they want their name to be remembered too. America definitely has a problem with gun violence, but the solution is not to disarm gun owners who have followed the law and did nothing wrong. All that does is create more defenseless victims.