Are the rules for trans athletes fair?

Transgender athletes may take part in the Olympic Games for the first time. But allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sport is provoking a heated debate about inclusion and fairness.
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[@jessed1709]

No one in their right mind thinks a biological male should be permitted to compete as a women. This isn't 'controversial', it's patently absurd.

[@AtamMardes]

The only way it would be fair is to have a new athletic category for transgender males and another one for transgender females.

[@danielmay7266]

atam mardes, not enough people therefore not reasonable.

[@danielmay7266]

You do realize that MTF trans people take estrogen? The amount of it they take makes them much closer to women than men when it comes to athletic ability.

[@DoomTubePorn]

@@danielmay7266 hahahahahaha ya right

[@asn9337]

@@danielmay7266 taking oestrogen means nothing! no amount of oral or injected oestrogen will undo the organizational effects of androgens during puberty. on average, individuals who have gone through puberty as males will have height, strength, speed on their side. I support people embracing their own unique sexuality but this insistence on competing in female events after a mtf transition has nothing to do with an individual being allowed their own private life.

[@lukeweyant6771]

Strongest man in the world: male Strongest female in the world: also male

[@skyebowleyn6364]

lol

[@lukeweyant6771]

@Buttbanging Trannyliberal Glamour Magazine woman of the year 2015: Caitlyn Jenner

[@spencersee391]

Male power!

[@Shin-ln5fq]

Lol

[@johndoe_yoe6257]

2026 Olympic... all male competition, some with long hair on the women events.

[@cgomez1104]

Nothing against trans people, they are human and deserve respect. But we are talking about sports and fairness, and in this context there is an unfair advantage.

[@omario2069]

Well put~

[@ry0usama511]

@James Hampton true, trans people basically denies who they are, why would they deserve respect when they cant respect their own

[@garenthal9638]

Yes but if you believe trans women are women then it is no different than lebron having a biological advantage than a 5 foot 6 weak man

[@garenthal9638]

@@ObeseGorilla229 people are born with biological advantages. If you really believe trans women are women then it’s no different

[@duskyflathead4483]

@@garenthal9638 no its not, there are 2 clear physical distinctions in biology, race isnt one of them.

[@mort2747]

How tf do people not see how this is going to destroy women’s sport

[@williamfoster6814]

Have we seen any trans men in men's sports? Not that I've noticed. Hm wonder why

[@crazycrackheadbubblegums9959]

humans dont care about women nor do women raise their voices

[@hellohowareyou7495]

I'd be more than happy to let it happen, let those feminist deal with it since they want equality, let the left destroy each other.

[@cassjaimedurantsoutouras8118]

Crazy how Laurel Hubbard competed in the Summer Olympics as a trans woman and won no medals. Seems like women's sport is still intact to me...

[@thesecretlifeofbuns4336]

@@hellohowareyou7495 yeah, no. This is against feminism. We don't want men dominating women's sports and this is NOT equality.

[@cedric-assehliemessing3053]

"Do trans athletes have an unfair advantage?" Next time on: "Is the Earth actually round?"

[@josephhage9377]

Cedric-Asseh Liemessing Next up Is water wet or does it make things wet The answer at 5

[@iceseic]

They already did the earth thing

[@royog3088]

Christians were right all along.

[@marciaosullivan3200]

Well funnily enough no the earth isn't that rigid and it's not quite a sphere so therefore because physical boundaries are vague the earth is a social construct

[@JanZamani]

welcome to 2020 where both are now contested...

[@kshitijr7898]

Imagine being so woke, that you start repression of women...

[@kyliemiller173]

right? it’s a huge slap in the face when people who claimed to be feminists and want to fight against the domestic violence against women and want equality ignore that men are physically stronger. we aren’t scared to walk alone at night because of how men look, but because we all know they can easily overpower and hurt us

[@mop2254]

Just another sociopath hijacking the message for their own gains.

[@Tall-Cool-Drink]

Ironic, isn't it?

[@tiredgardener]

Those making these calls are not feminist, they are misogynists. They have just found a new system to exploit to further their hatred towards women.

[@ViscountVile]

@@tiredgardener That may be how it seems, but some advocates are deluded women who believe they are being 'progressive' and inclusive to trans people.

[@nicolasleth6848]

"No one has a competitive advantage over each other" Then why split it into male and female if "sport is never level"? Why don't they just compete with other men if they don't see an advantage

[@luqaszz5206]

And why there is no debate about trans people who want to compete with males? 🤔😂 Oh wait.. Are there any of them?

[@TouchofShunshine]

Right!

[@TyroneBrownJrIV]

I know right!!if no one has a competitive advantage why can't I use my sports car in the cyclist tournaments???

[@sb-jt5zn]

I identify as a gold medalist so I won’t accept bronze 😂

[@calebpurvis2872]

I wish it wasnt that easy to sum up their entire thought process

[@selfless727]

So true lol

[@pebbles92able]

How original 😒 ...m0ron

[@nanamin7298]

@@pebbles92able 🤡

[@pebbles92able]

@@nanamin7298 yes you are a clown

[@Daniel_Anthony]

This whole thing is the biggest joke of our time

[@ButtMash1]

just another human bad troll

[@mattsspelman1457]

As ridiculous as flat earthers are they haven't got a patch on these wack jobs.

[@sulk1992]

Bruce Jenner: woman of the year...

[@t-real9054]

sulk1992 Enough said

[@al.s.3277]

It is so unfair that they let them compete like this. The categories for men and women weren’t for sexism. But because of our differences in our biology.

[@symihope]

“it’s clear that legally and socially we are” yes but this is entirely an issue of biology

[@yep.1106]

They also aren’t legally, they are always recognised as their own gender for medical and legal reasons...

[@peanutbuttervibes1278]

G Didn’t we stop segregation like...60 years ago.

[@MovieRiotHD]

Even nor socially. No one wants to date a Transgender..

[@DeclinedMercy]

Give them an inch, they take a mile

[@RainyRunningRiver]

Yah because wearing black face is evil yet dressing up as a caricature of an entire gender is fine.

[@theseeker8074]

“This is about are trans women actually women and it’s clear that legally and socially we are” Me: Well, but not biologically.🤷‍♂️

[@NPC-dv5kg]

yeah these morens forgot reality

[@hiidupiidu3292]

western society has become so woke that they don't even realize they're becoming misogynistic.

[@pottingsoil]

If they didn't have an advantage they obviously wouldn't be smashing every record.

[@trash_girlfriend]

How many records have they been smashing

[@pottingsoil]

@@trash_girlfriend Weightlifting records across the board (some trans have been stripped of records because they were deemed our fakr competitors like in Richmond), NCAA records across the board most most notably in the 200, 400, 800, long jump, and high jump, high school track and CC records, and in cycling. You can find entire lists on articles if you just go a simple Google search. It's really depressing that they're allowed to compete.

[@Hayanomie]

@@pottingsoil what a time to be alive.

[@thebaddestogre-3698]

@@trash_girlfriend if you would be open minded with the news you read and the facts you accept, other people wouldn't have to google for you.

[@prokopf-9332]

And to put into context they make up the smallest proportion of athletes. I think one crucial element with the Olympics is that an athlete who gets gold recieves up to several 100 k from his respective country. Every country has a different scheme, most are lower, but it still is a significant sum for an amateur. Now I'm not saying this is the main reason or in fact any reason for the people involved. I dont think anyone would undergo gendertreatment for the money. But it is an incentive for them to get recognized in normal Olympics since separate transgender Olympics would be like Paralympics. Little to no financial gain.

[@gilbertg7]

In sport, women and men categories weren't created because they felt different. It's because they are physically different. It's as if a boxing superweight said he should compete in the lightweight category because he feels lighter

[@KonSimpl72]

Spot on.

[@johnny2351]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@graysonjohnson8466]

Well said

[@geezalee1677]

Spot on

[@yuno2512]

Exactly

[@_loss_]

This is cheating on a whole different level.

[@Ardkun00]

Cheating backed by the LGBTQ+ 🏳️‍🌈 Community

[@chrislarge3429]

Scary how this is even an argument. The west is descending into madness…

[@egg4489]

All thanks to the Cultural Marxism and Feminism

[@vaporwaveisdead]

The west is sending sattelites the size of a bottle of Coke to orbit the Earth. We're still the best.

[@egg4489]

@@vaporwaveisdead he was talking about the Society not the Technology

[@vaporwaveisdead]

@@egg4489 This same freedom of thinking boosters both technology and excentric ideas. Trust me, if the idea doesn't make logic we're throwing it away. It happens that in Africa, Russia or Middle East, people haven't even achieved such advanced philosophy. They're buying our products, receiving humanitarian help and telling us how to act. It's like children telling mom and dad how to behave.

[@jehanshahmohamednoor-2654]

I totally agree with u

[@alexmikhylov]

to be a professional athlete is not a human right

[@danielmay7266]

No, but having people recognize your gender. Also, everyone who can qualify (and doesn't cause any trouble) should be able to compete.

[@GabrielGabeRodriguez]

@@danielmay7266 how about no? This whole gender identity is up rooting societal norms we didn't even know we had! Plain ridiculous I say

[@danielmay7266]

Gabriel Rodriguez, I find this personal as I’m a non binary track runner. All I want is for people to try to use the right pronouns and not make a problem out of how I’m not cis. Can you just stop being transphobic please?

[@missjayspeechley9213]

@@GabrielGabeRodriguez So "Oh no, something new. But I don't want to educate myself so I'll just say no because it's easier". Wow that is so grown up

[@alexmikhylov]

@@danielmay7266 trans athletes cause trouble

[@iamyourbiggestfan6420]

"Do Trans athletes have an unfair advantage?" Answer: Yes!

[@lolgamer3589]

Biology tells it.

[@MrCmon113]

Not if it's female to male.

[@derekmartin2054]

Does a 6 foot tall woman have an advantage on a 5 foot tall woman? yes, it's just how it is

[@MrCmon113]

@@derekmartin2054 And stronger muscles and thicker bones and more endurance and quicker reflexes and so on... I don't care how people organize those sporting events, because I don't watch them anyways, but it seems to me that a lot of people, who do watch women's sports, want to watch athletes, who grew up as women.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Only to transwomen

[@chingthianhoihvualnam4779]

Ha! "Tall Dutch and short Indonesian women! " There are weight categories. That case isn't the same with a biological male competing against a biological female. I feel at this point biological women don't have a voice.

[@mlytenin1]

I've watched a couple of interviews with the Rachel chick, I've met so many people like her on the debate team, there's absolutely no way she doesn't realize that she's trolling just to get what she wants.

[@polog9920]

Why is the right for one transgender not to be discriminated more important, than the right of hunderts of women to compete in a fair system?

[@Naskinlahtaaja]

The problem is that there just is no evidence that MtF athletes who have been a year on testosterone suppression retain a significant competitive advantage over cis women. That lack of evidence is exactly why the IOC hasn't changed the rules despite it having been talked about a lot in recent years.

[@panikosofgrays1904]

Winston Churchill sadly it's because the one transgender is man and women don't count. I say that as a man.

[@polog9920]

@@Naskinlahtaaja in biology a man is defined as a Person Who has cells in which there are both X and Y Chromosoms. So they are man and therefore diffrent

[@Naskinlahtaaja]

@Chris there is no evidence to suggest whether they have an advantage or not. How on Earth is it rational to make assumptions like that without evidence?

[@muscleprotein]

@@Naskinlahtaaja course they have an advantage! Stronger bone structure, greater muscle density. If it's just about testosterone levels then men over 40 can race in female events as their test levels are slowly declining. Have an open category where anything and anyone can compete then everyone is happy. If it wasn't for biological men and women we wouldn't be here. That's one fact that for now still holds.

[@georgieee4906]

So it’s just a coincidence that when a male athlete becomes a “woman” they suddenly are the best woman’s athlete ever 🙃

[@mikeydudek2885]

Especially when no one even knew their name before “Transitioning”

[@xantherinekyle221]

name one trans woman athlete who's the better than cis women atheletes.

[@xantherinekyle221]

if u are putting this comment, u must have some knowledge/fact for the support. Don't say this just came out of ur mind and u don't know any real life example of a trans woman athlete.

[@sabinagrisi9726]

@@xantherinekyle221 Trans women in sports Tifanny Abreu, volleyball Chloe Anderson,[57] volleyball Alessia Almeri,[58] volleyball Mianne Bagger, golf Savannah Burton Parinya Charoenphol, Thai boxing JayCee Cooper,[59] Powerlifting, Roller Derby Roberta Cowell, motor sports Yanelle Del Mar Zape,[60] Track and Field Athena Del Rosario, football(soccer) and beach handball [61] Michelle Duff Michelle Dumaresq Fallon Fox, mixed martial arts Natalie van Gogh, cycling Laurel Hubbard, weightlifting Veronica Ivy,[62][63] cycling Lauren Jeska, fell running Janae Kroc Caroline Layt,[60][64][65] Rugby League, Rugby Union and Track and Field Bobbi Lancaster, golf Samantha 'Sammy' Walker, Football (Soccer)[66] Kellie Maloney Kirsti Miller,[67] Modern Pentathlon, Aquathon and AFL Terri Miller, track and field (high school) [68] Cate McGregor, cricket Hannah Mouncey, handball and Australian football Laura Nagtegaal,[69][70] disc golf Renée Richards, tennis Jaiyah Saelua Britney Stinson,[71] American football, baseball CeCe Telfer, track and field [72] Andraya Yearwood, track and field (high school) Charlie Christina Martin, motor sports Mara Gómez, football (soccer) [73]

[@xantherinekyle221]

@@sabinagrisi9726 I did not ask u to copy and paste from wikipedia page. I asked the original commenter if they knew anyone before commenting. Moreover, I asked name any trans woman who is better than cis women, who always win the first or second place in a competition.

[@todorsamardzhiev144]

A male body means you can train way harder, for a longer time, while recovering faster after every workout and maintaining a lower injury risk. And no transition can take the years Rachel had that tremendous advantage away from her. Okay, you say, but she wants to compete in sports, what do we do? Well, I want to be an astronaut, but due to health issues I never will. That's all. Life goes on.

[@strawberryseason]

Rachel can compete in the male division. Rachel is male.

[@abhiluitsharma1355]

Social science is all about narrative and perspectives.. but SCIENCE is the reality which no one can deny..

[@Xxsorafan]

I’m trans but really it’s not fair. At the end of the day male and female biology is different. Someone transitioning at the age of 30 won’t make for a fair competition

[@imanepink]

👏👏👏 agreed

[@karlomagnoguadalupe4843]

Respect 👍

[@RainyRunningRiver]

Yep. And I'll always be the real version of what you pretend to be ❤

[@christopherknight6248]

The entire world is trans.

[@takarahayashi4124]

we need more people like you

[@SH8ZIA]

Why is this even a debate. Women’s sports are being wrecked and everyone is standing by? So called experts!!!

[@zoemacdonald6297]

@Ayanokoji women themselves allowing it? Literally in almost all the videos I've watched on this have been WOMEN saying that is unfair.

[@TheSim4e90]

I'm a 6.3 male with 220 pound.... I'm going to call my self a woman and play basketball in the women's category, better yet i will make a all male team and win in the women's category.

[@tarnw3301]

There was an article that talked about how there are a lot of rich white men lobbying for the trans agenda. Focus on rich. With money dances the dog, and so have the so called "experts" danced.

[@FinnCh979]

@oskrrr92 the trans ppl and LGBT thing are just political tool for government to gain more control and put more regulations. the people that support trans ppl hate trans ppl themselves. tell 100 liberal men to date trans women and go in bed with them and see how many will do it and see the hypocrisy falls out.

[@dahlia5618]

Honestly I just think we can make another Category for the trans women or men because it will be fair in that way . I support trans people honestly but it is unfair about this situation for women in that sport

[@shanet771]

If it really is so fair, someone tell me how many trans men have won titles compared to trans women?? 👀

[@RitikRaj-qf6yp]

That’s like saying if cricket is really fair how many world cups has Austrailia won compared to UAE . I do agree with trans not being fair but this is probably not the right way to explain it

[@tj7935]

It is one way to explain it. How come if you go one way (man->woman) you are more likely to smash women's records, but if you go the other way (woman->man) no male record has been beaten

[@flamersshowsandmore3864]

Although there aren't any examples of trans men, there are stand-out ftm athletes such as Chris Mosier who got 2nd in a 2017 National Champion triathletes.

[@RitikRaj-qf6yp]

@@tj7935 I never said it is not a way to explain you get the point but not the right way to point it out

[@lepzjr8405]

watch the amount of "transgender women" that jump into a boxing ring for the Olympics

[@BroGoPro235]

the olymics will soon be 50% men and 50% men acting like women

[@tonyhoiland7481]

Can't I use your quote? lol Love it!

[@Mango-nf2wn]

Ah yes, the transphobic comment I was looking for

[@BroGoPro235]

@@Mango-nf2wn im glad you found it

[@abgeth]

@@Mango-nf2wn ah yes the clueless idiot I was looking for...

[@Allgreen69]

PTB ay more men dominating

[@chinesepropotato2371]

Next up: motrocyclist who identifies as bicyclist wins olympic games.

[@iceyreelz3228]

YEET GAMING very underrated comment I’m dying

[@Justwanthavefun_100]

Hey ! Don’t insult motorcyclist 🤣

[@johnsmith6974]

Wait....is it a harley or a Honda?

[@wreagfe]

@@nebulabunny8633 transphobe is a made up term specifically invented to weaponize fake victimhood. Using it just exposes yourself as a virtue signaller thriving on mentioned victimhood.

[@johnsmith6974]

@@nebulabunny8633 Are you Honda or Harley?

[@david2804me]

It is hard to accept that society has come to a point where common sense and pragmatism no longer prevail. Anyone with a brain understands perfectly well why men's and women's competitive sports are separate and I doubt that anyone thinks that needs any debating. So how can anyone with a brain be in favour of making any exceptions to this gender separation in sport? It doesn't matter what you wear or how you feel or how you want to be seen by others..... those things do not change the physical gender you are. You must, therefore, stay on your side of the gender dividing line in competitive sport or simply just not compete. If you, as a trans woman, do not respect that then, not only do you have no sense of decency or fairness, you evidently have no respect for women either. Consequently, you do not deserve my respect, nor anyone else's, and all sporting bodies should ban you from all women's competitive sport.

[@lloydgrapilon6203]

Romans 1:18 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way,

[@samuelolwe2909]

Wasn't there a reason mens' and womens' sport was separated? Or should we just merge the two since "hey, everyone has a 'competitive advantage'"

[@TheNasty98]

Agreed

[@marimedina2985]

Right just make it co Ed then

[@hassanfarid4997]

@@marimedina2985 and women will never win again

[@kristinacvetkovic5620]

Agreeed

[@anikakhan1539]

@burningfeet 53 and then the population rate will be down to negative and mother earth will be green again 🤪🤪

[@steamlink4803]

Rachel sounds like a 12 year old participating in a race against 8 year olds and being proud of winning. Not trying to belittle women. Just making a bad analogy.

[@Paul-Weston]

Well said.

[@shanamoens822]

Yeah she's so smug about it. I can't stand it. Makes me think she does it on purpose.

[@Paul-Weston]

Probably not even transgendered. Just realised she'll never get a medal competing against men, so tried this.

[@hritikpanwar4014]

There should be a transgender category too

[@Paul-Weston]

@@hritikpanwar4014 yes

[@tylerdordon99]

The fact that people are even having q debate over this is simply insane

[@moradsarwari864]

Now I know how to achieve my dream of becoming a gold medalist.

[@Verity_Truth666]

Average male athletes cheating their way to women's medals.

[@kmagnet4181]

In gaming terms, trans females are OP and needs a massive nerf to balance things out.

[@brianpagsolingan5063]

@@kmagnet4181 cringe

[@SnakeSagacity]

@@kmagnet4181 another hormone pump and flush to nerf themselves. Isn't sports supposed to be a celebration of human physical capability? Hormone pumpers should be treated like doping user, they're denying their own physical capability.

[@Zara-rc8vf]

Transphobic, verrryyy ruudee👎👎

[@miroleminen1411]

It'no surprise that they want to cheat. How could you live as a true professional athlete if you can't live with your own gender.

[@noobnoob911]

This Rachel said in the beginning that they are legally and socially women. Yes, but Not Physically/biologically though.

[@Jusneko]

THIS!!

[@surpreetsingh737]

I thought the SAME THING😂😂😂😂

[@briank9354]

Testosterone is literally the steroid that makes u jacked. It gives an major advantages. Anyone who says other wise is delusional or just wants the advantage

[@anwarnm9052]

Nicely said

[@matthewrodgers9270]

Yea he’s clueless

[@luvghd]

As an ex competitive athlete this makes me so angry, regardless during puberty they have had the opportunity to grow bigger muscles. I do not hate Trans but as an ex athlete hate female sports but being fair.

[@alanalymon3164]

this country has very little respect for women’s sports to allow this foolishness to take place!

[@richie7927]

Imagine mike tyson in his prime, becoming transgender and entering women’s boxing.

[@buggs6608]

Chris breezy Or should I say Mike breezy

[@mar10ssj1]

I would say it is Stunning and Brave. They asked for this, they really did. And now its here.

[@garyvahl7658]

He would still win.

[@abhishekyadav-hy3gq]

Issue is not with Mike Tyson , imagine me entrying women boxing 🥊 and winning 😂😂

[@tervenjames8305]

In his prime he can do it now. I bet if Mike fights the wnba champion he would win.

[@master-_-beavis5261]

Imagine lebron james identifying as a woman, then all the sudden he plays in the WNBA

[@JohnDoe-do3fm]

It would bring viewers.

[@frespects9624]

@@JohnDoe-do3fm I'm pretty sure LeBron James makes more money than the wnba does.

[@ashleyk8406]

I wonder what he’d look like as a girl

[@master-_-beavis5261]

@@ashleyk8406 in 2021 U may not have to wonder much longer luv😂😂😂😂

[@sev7nnn]

He would start scoring 800 point games

[@Tglass]

If it is an equal race after 12 months of suppressing testosterone in trans women, why don't we see trans men who have boosted testosterone competing against biological men? I've not heard of a single controversial story about that crossover.

[@xxmadori986]

Since when did someones feelings matter more then a whole woman RACE

[@EngineeringStudent06]

"Do trans athlete have an unfair advantage?" Is that even a question🤔

[@germancastano2241]

Do trans athlete have an unfair advantage? Do big women have an unfair advantage? Do big men have an unfair advantage? Do young people have an unfair advantage against "senior citizens"? Is that even a question? Is not. That why there regulations and categories. In the past women fight to have their own category because there were invisible behind men. To be fair in some point I history in boxing everyone belong to a unique category, but they created a bunch of categories because a big men have actually advantage against smaller men.

[@youarepretty5299]

@joey macdermott wrong. sports is about competitive people with the same qualities and quantities. You cant compare a fish to a rabbit because they are completely different. What's consider cheating imp is a trans women against biologically women, it's like saying look I take vitamins or a booster and I am going to crash them. Unbelievable. I'm not a hater nor transphobic, it's a criticism. You can take it and improve or remain the same.

[@sillysod33]

It is for the retards on the sad intellectual sewer that is the modern left.

[@blahvn]

bobby macdiarmid there is a thing called weight class, you idiot

[@arachnid3297]

It is strikingly astonishing how you guys have ignored the major unfair advantage such as socio-economic background for years, and now everyone became a biologist. There could be no better word to define this situation than hypocrisy.

[@TheLehumo]

I feel sorry that female athletes have to deal with this awkward situation with trans people, especially because the backlash on this proportionally small group is so crazy

[@exnihilo415]

@Bezz80 Thanks for confirming the backlash is real.

[@panikosofgrays1904]

Maximilian Heil it's a bit more than awkward since all women's sports will have to end. Well they will carry on but with men only.

[@chrissyr5941]

You just made me cry.

[@os6552]

@Alex True

[@noname-zp1yh]

@Alex oh wow I sure do feel bad! Oh no the spocky transes are gonna come and get me!!!1!,!1!

[@MAXMANUSMANOFWAR]

The female deadlift record is 693lbs. I can only lift 675lbs but my roommate can lift 725lbs. We would have to lift over 400lbs more to be able to compete against males but against females, we would crush most. My roommate isn't even the strongest man in our gym and he still can lift more than the female world record.

[@GeorgWilde]

You failed to be men. But that doesn't qualify as being a woman. The most distinctive features of womanhood is everything that is included in motherhood. You are not women. Not socially, not in any other way. BTW, it is enough to take a break from HRT for like few weeks and the standard male hormone levels are up again - which is advantage in training, in recovery and in competition,

[@paulschumacher4308]

There needs to be trans-only events or it will NEVER be fair.

[@whytee11]

That's always the point! and there would always be accusations that the world is not trying to be all-including of gender identifications, when sports is a first and foremost a physiological competition.

[@paulschumacher4308]

@@whytee11 "life isn't fair" was always told to me while growing up. And I'm more concerned with women's rights than trans rights.

[@whytee11]

@@paulschumacher4308 it's like, "just because it isn't fair, doesn't mean that we should give up on making it fair" for me. And I wouldn't say I am more concerned with this than that, but we should be cautious when we're making it fair for one

[@paulschumacher4308]

@@whytee11 I agree. I like things to be as fair as possible, but if fair is impossible then we should negatively affect the least amount of people.

[@stlalways6715]

All 20 of them worldwide can compete....

[@wonkygustav4457]

Why not separate them into trans athletes, they can’t deny they’re trans

[@Borderose]

They said that would be denying their identity.

[@Alex.551]

Not enough people I think

[@wonkygustav4457]

James Foley then they’re all winners

[@Alex.551]

@@wonkygustav4457 true hahahahh.I think they should be in the category where they were born,male or female,otherwise is not fair.

@@Borderose bs

[@jimbeaux89]

This debate is absolutely ridiculous. Like what are we doing as a society?

[@factcheck9849]

If biological male is no different to biological female, then why not just merge them together. There's a reason why they're separated in the first place.

[@juliancoenen4917]

“And it is clear that legally and socially, we are.” But biologically not

[@AngelEmfrbl]

Their in a dream world where they denounce gender exists, right down to biological reasons.

[@uraharamitchell7250]

@@AngelEmfrbl *THEY'RE definitely in a dream world. *THERE will be consequences for all of this someday. *THEIR defiance of the natural order will come back and haunt them. *THERE'RE more videos talking on this topic.

[@snapperjessen]

@@uraharamitchell7250 smooth correction :)

[@uraharamitchell7250]

@@snapperjessen As smooth as a wildebeest stampede driving through somebody's living room.

[@DoINeedAHandle]

I literally screamed those exact words bruh cheers

[@Xerxezkov]

When you couldn't win in a male category…

[@danielmay7266]

... that they never competed in.

[@Rock_Girl_Daze]

Lưu Phương exactly!

[@Ryan-oy7cz]

Well said

[@junkandgunk]

@@danielmay7266 because they immediately gave up

[@danielmay7266]

DigBloopers, in what? The male category? They never even competed in it. :D

[@corneliusisagoodname]

really unfair for women, this is so devasting😞

[@elainemcguire]

Is it just me or does anyone think trans men and women should have their own separate categories (so we would have 4 separate categories in total)? In all honesty I think that would be more fair and would also be super interesting to watch!!

[@abeeshaw]

When you're weak enough to compete with men , so you decide to bully women instead !!

[@thatsok2784]

Frfr this women in mma got her skull cracked open by a transgender women and she wasn't even told she was transgender before the fight it's honeslty so messed up how do feminist support women getting there skulls bashed in by BIOLOGICAL men ?

[@LPF7]

*too weak

[@ismailridwan6489]

And feministard still don't see this as an inequality for woman.

[@teadrops9449]

its unfair that trans women can participate with other women. Its not even about being discriminatory but they are just physically different.

[@tylerknight99]

Why does the women's category even exist then?

[@laurenkelley1171]

Tyler Knight Because men are biologically built stronger than women. Having them separate isn’t in any way to be sexist, it’s to be fair.

[@tylerknight99]

@@laurenkelley1171 the cyclist in the video says that Dutch women are taller and that is an advantage. Why isn't there a Dutch women category in competition? Nonsense, we say, it's not important enough to make that a category. And therefore, we are assigning a value judgement. Extending this logic, if we don't make a category exception for physically stronger dutch women, then it's inconsistent to make exceptions for women in general on the basis of physical differences. Perhaps you could say its consistent because only weaker groups get their own categories (e.g. no controversy with transmen competing with men), but even here it's not ALL weaker groups. Save for boxing, weaker men don't get their own categories. Trans women then say their exclusion is based on gender, not physical differences.

[@user-dq8km4zt7f]

But the difference is Dutch woman is born taller, it would be different if a man who passed thought male puberty (who is probably taller than average female) transitioned recently to female.

[@laurenkelley1171]

Tyler Knight If I’m understanding you correctly, you say that a Dutch-woman-only category would be necessary to give weaker woman an equal opportunity. The only problem is that height is not always necessarily an advantage. Just because a Dutch woman is taller it doesn’t mean they are faster or stronger than another woman. But when it comes to any competitive sport in the olympics, things like bone density, amount of muscle and lung size certainly do matter. Men are biologically stronger not just because of their height, but greatly because of these factors. Which is why there is a separate category for both men and women.

[@mikehotshots7607]

Its interesting that we never seem to have the opposing conversation of trans men dominating male sports.

[@jesse0398]

This isnt even a debate and the fact that it is presented as one is pretty deceptive

[@RainyRunningRiver]

I'm an MMA fighter for 10+ years. I've beat many women all over Ireland. My brother has less than 3 years experience but crushed me and hes only 17- Men and woman are diffrent. Even with training and years and years of working out I as a woman will never be as strong as a man. Males and females are different! I wouldn't want to fight a guy again

[@luleetomas2108]

Black White Finally someone with a brain...speak the truth always

[@OkayMay749]

Even Serena Williams admitted that she would get beat by an average male tennis player because physically men are biologically stronger then women. It’s not transphobic it’s just fact. I’m all for trans rights but when someone who’s never won a medal let alone broken a record and then suddenly transitions and wins/breaks records in female sports, we have to start looking into this unfair bs

[@spiderjump]

Black White I am 5 foot 10 Asian guy .. and at my leanest about 77 kg.. I could do 18 pull ups with very strict form.. this female at in my college told me she felt confident she could beat guys in sports .. I told her why do not you try your strength against me since I am not much bigger than you. Let just say she was surprised how this slim looking guy was so much stronger than her.

[@potemkin8606]

literally the stupidest debate out there

[@dustintacohands1107]

I have no faith in our leaders

[@danielmay7266]

Agreed. Just let them do their thing. How haven’t people thought that trans women usually have takes estrogen?

[@Agtsmirnoff]

@@danielmay7266 Taking estrogen is irrelevant, if they have gone through any puberty without hormone blockers, they have a physiological advantage that no amount of estrogen is going to compensate for taking as an adult.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

I agree. who cares. It doesn't affect the one's competitions and that is all that matters.

[@danielmay7266]

@@Agtsmirnoff I forgot to mention that over time it suppresses testosterone levels to the point where women, trans or not are closer to each other than they are closer to men. That's why I put the emphasis on the estrogen.

[@jennakfae]

This is so heartbreaking 😔why even try to compete as a woman and train super hard if this is allowed?

[@Thiagofanguitar]

20 years of body development and training with high testosterone does not go away with a year of estrogen therapy...its like facing someone who've been used steroids all life and then stopped to be aproved on a blood test...it's brutal

[@napmcdan3437]

Ask yourself this: How accomplished were these athletes before their transformation? Most, if not all, were average at best. Now, after the transformations, they are at the top of their sport. Case closed!

[@davidsawyer3737]

Nap Mcdan but honestly, who cares about women’s sports

[@napmcdan3437]

@@davidsawyer3737 Well, that is true. But I'd rather ignore them because they are uninteresting rather than them being an insult to _real women_ .

[@SharonVeeLee]

Not only that, but how many trans-men are dominating male sports? By the logic, after a year or so they should be on par with men.

[@danyyilbun6736]

And women who went into men sports actually were in trouble even after transition

[@loganrogan605]

Are not men and women equal?

[@Adam-vx6to]

It's not fair to anyone. The end. This shouldn't even be a question.

[@ipotrick6686]

why compete as a women ever? you can never win

[@HandledToaster2]

@@ipotrick6686 nice bait. Below this comment you will find an immense useless discussion on women's rights or something. Enjoy :)

[@sarmadghafoor1484]

It’s significant change that’s why, for example why can’t everyone use steroids it’s unfair anyway should be allowed. which is why altering your natural state in sports for woman will be unbeatable. I think there should be conversation since it’s flat out an advantage not including like weight groups and what not for strength training especially.

[@Sequence322]

It's totally unfair to woman!

[@Afroninja2025]

well played gg

[@englishjourney371]

Why don't create a new categorie for trans women?

[@TheAnette09]

I am impressed by how cunning these men are in using society’s stupidity to make money. Well done! Their morality is disappointing, though, but what you could expect when what they’re doing has clearly nothing to do with either equal rights or women support. Sad reality we live in.

[@psc698]

"Sport is a human right." That might be the single dumbest quote I've heard.

[@bdmc6583]

No I've heard one that is worse. The guy who insists he is a girl and wants to be allowed to smash females in weightlifting was asked why he should be able to compete against women and he literally replied "Why not?" Yea.

[@guiserixsacha4520]

well actually it is, doing sport doesn't interfere with others right, and when a right doesn't interfere with other right then it's a human right. but it's totaly irrelevent here thoo...

[@jasondashney]

I'm 5'5. I'm too short for the NBA. I want to wear stilts because I have talent but was born this way (short).

[@bdmc6583]

@@jasondashney no! NO!! You walk right in there and you TELL them that you are 6'4" because you SAID SO and that they are NOT going to "invalidate you" or "erase you existence" by saying that you aren't!

[@StoneHavel]

@@jasondashney just identify as 7'0" lol

[@mosl2te]

Why is this even a debatable topic? I refuse to engage in this goofiness. Biological women who support this cyclist competing against women are failing their daughters and sons.

[@youllneverknow_123]

I don't like this America, secession number 2

[@sankalp2520]

This is a debatable topic because not everyone thinks like you. You have to look into both the perspectives: as a "trans woman" and a "cis woman athlete treated unfairly". A wise person would always approach problems in an unbiased way. You say u refuse to engage in the so-called goofiness, yet you comment something provoking. lol

[@mar10ssj1]

men beating women in women's sport. Stunning and Brave.

[@bujharvard9313]

@@sankalp2520 It's not debatable because their entire argument is based on a falsehood, one that much of the world humours just to keep them from being sad. But logically, there is only one correct side.

[@bujharvard9313]

@Monotech2.0 Hormones aren't everything.

[@raybest2805]

I can’t believe there’s even a debate

[@chivekeyscooters9607]

Now this recently proven by science since birth

[@googlemailbox615]

This is an absolute joke

[@Sam-vs6rg]

ahahah says you

[@Sam-vs6rg]

@Artair I said "says you" not "says who", I was implying that @Google Mailbox is a joke. Learn to read you dingus 😐

[@mortsobtw2594]

I think womans can't play video games

[@Sam-vs6rg]

@@mortsobtw2594 k.

[@vicbirth1649]

@@mortsobtw2594 unless she is a man.

[@turokk3352]

This shouldn't even be titled a question... the world has gone mad

[@megansmallwood3409]

I 100% agree

[@JrryThrdJnsFurth]

NOOO AMERICA HAS GONE MAD

[@turokk3352]

@@JrryThrdJnsFurth I'm so sorry my friend.

[@JrryThrdJnsFurth]

@@turokk3352, IT HURTS EVERYTIME 😢

[@spartanK42]

I've always assumed that despite the world being more accepting of LGBT stuff, Transgenders in women's sports was a boundary they wouldn't cross for obvious reasons. Apparently I've been living under a rock because here we are.

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

My BMW motorbike identifies as a bicycle. Roll on next year's Tour de France...

[@gc2161]

The fact that this question is even being asked.

[@erickruiz9960]

I agree with not permitting trans women in normal women competition. The physical difference between biological men and women has always been an irrefutable fact.

[@arminius6506]

They doesn't believe in Science and Biology 😉

[@TylerSpite]

Those guys know what they’re doing, they know it’s not fair. They just don’t care.

[@Sofia-te4dp]

Exactly. They know what they’re doing but they just ignore it for their 5 minutes of fame.

[@mar10ssj1]

Don't really get any sponsors or name recognition being the 999th best male athlete.

[@ACIMRobert]

It isnt like being trans is a choice

[@ACIMRobert]

Like athletes dont have advantages

[@TylerSpite]

@@ACIMRobert I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not.

[@Dracoool]

Could a surgically altered bull enter a cow competition?

[@denisenoe3702]

Hormones aren't the only difference between male and female. For example, a trans woman's pelvic structure is male-structured.

[@anacariananacarian915]

Women need to stick together to stop this nonsense of men competing against women. This will destroy women's sport

[@death2pc]

Well, of course. But that means violating LIBERALISM and THAT is not allowed....................

[@CommonMan77777]

Not only women. As a man I would totally support you. It is totally unfair that women athletes are forced to compete against basically men.

[@rightlibertarian8355]

No, it won't destroy women's sport. It will destroy feminism.

[@havokzthename]

Meh. When women wanted equality to join men sports and called men "feminist" because men thought it wouldnt be fair it was ok but now MEN want to transition to WOMEN sports and now its not fair...Its always something.

[@dRoscoAZ]

This is not Male nonsense, this is human nonsense. Because clearly the support of a large amount of cis females has allowed us to get where we are now. I will stand by women to protect them from this idiocy!

[@benh4341]

A truly pathetic delusion of what is a human right.

[@josephnissenson3252]

@@nebulabunny8633 except it's not just hormones. They'll still have an advantage in bone density, heart size, a faster metabolism that doesn't convert as much food into fat, biomechanical advantages with a wider back, chest, and shoulder span. All of these present from birth the extra testosterone is just the cherry

[@josephnissenson3252]

@@nebulabunny8633 not to an amount that would make it fair to actual women. Especially in terms of biomechanical factors such as proportional chest/back/shoulder width which is a colossal advantage that can't be fixed with a puberty blocker. Same with the way muscles connect to the bone for leverage, one of the biggest factors in power generation that is another thing a puberty blocker wouldn't fix

[@josephnissenson3252]

@@nebulabunny8633 yee i don't have any problem with what people feel comfortable being referred to as because it doesn't affect me in the slightest i just feel like we shouldn't go too far with what we decide is acceptable just to avoid hurting their feelings like in the topic of their physical advantages in sports. I feel like trans divisions would be the fairest way to go

[@nebulabunny8633]

@CoaCHSNiPeR weirdos? Trans people aren't weirdos, they're just people, what they do is not your buisiness, they're not p*dophiles, they're not delusional, it's because of their biology, all they ask is to have their pronuns and name respected. I'm not transgender and I'm grateful not to be but that doesn't mean I don't try to understand them and view it from their eyes. Also transphobe is not a made up word, just Google it

[@aliefr2984]

@@nebulabunny8633 how many athlete get hormone blocker before puberty ?

[@incognito216]

The world has lost logic and common sense

[@Amandaatr100]

It's unfair and they should not participate in competition.

[@TheLastCrow5150]

He literally said, "Legally and socially, we are". Notice they forgot to mention biology...

[@JupitoraDas-ib8ee]

Exactly and that's what makes us real women . Biologi but they pretend like its nothing😒

[@justaguy.6341]

Rafee, your problem begins with you thinking the "SPORT" is the issue lol.

They pretend biology is fictional

[@ekkso5630]

She, not he.

@@ekkso5630 he*

[@TtheManInTheArena]

Corona also thought it was unfair so she had the event canceled.

[@nafets6265]

Even covid 19 protested this kind of hypocrisy. Its all coming together

[@ashashash666]

🤣🤣😂🤣🤣

[@mrcollier4829]

Can’t believe this is even a question

[@fpupesh]

Why are there no trans men at the high levels of mens sports?

[@winstonalf]

If we really cared about women empowerment this would not happen.

[@wissaleaab9324]

FACTS!

[@granillx]

periodt.

[@baileypatterson9533]

Vatsavai Venkata Satya mangapathi raju honestly this is part of the reason feminism is a joke to even women

[@bruhbruhin_a_sling7775]

Trans saying they’re women and going to compete against obviously weaker women gives the same energy as ufc fighters weighing down to fight weaker opponents

[@megansmallwood3409]

I don't think that Susan B Anthony who helped get women the right to vote just to see that one day that transgender males would compete against female biological females and they the biological female would lose while do transgender women would win cuz they have more testosterone at is the point of an a biological women unless you're just going to be labeled transphobic if you tried to say that transgender people should have their own League it's ridiculous. testosterone

[@williamhealy6381]

Imagine being a women, training ur whole life Being the best u can be Only to come second to a trans women

[@dannybenhur6123]

@@useraccount1087 trans woman and trans man are confusing to me...lol EX-Man and EX-Woman would be appropriate...lol

[@williamhealy6381]

@@dannybenhur6123 I believe the name X-Men is taken

[@roberttakacs2312]

@@williamhealy6381 best ive seen all day you got me laughin😂😂

[@daisigner]

@@dannybenhur6123 No they aren't appropriate and what's appropriate to you doesn't matter! Transwomen shouldn't compete with cis women but neither should you think your ignorance is valid or appropriate!

[@lucaslzt]

@@dannybenhur6123 Tip: trans people refer to themselves with their current gender, ie a trans woman considers herself a woman (and wasn't before)

[@yuumijungle548]

this is the equivalent of a 7 feet guy competing against elementary students in basketball, because he feels like hes a kid 😂

[@nova4797]

totally unfair …

[@ghuanteng]

0:44 "Why exclude us on sport?" Because you are a man participate in woman category

[@dannysbudgies3108]

Exacly

[@noobbish86]

This is were feminism and liberalism has gotten us

[@DMxalava]

Exclamation mark!

[@oldbonniegamer938]

@@noobbish86 It'd be ironic if the same people now want them out

[@dwaingambino1979]

But its ok being called trans an not a woman. Kinda dumb

[@junkandgunk]

"LEGALLY female" probably the most meaningless defense i've heard in a long time

[@smilesxo06]

yup since it's just an M or F on a piece of paper, i look at Rachel and I see a man doesn't matter if he puts on some makeup and dyes his hair. Edit: *I AM NOT TRANSPHOBIC* , as long as what your doing isn't hurting or effecting anyone negatively, I don't care, but in this situation it is. Why is it whenever someone talks about trans people they're instantly labeled transphobic?

[@khanhax3873]

@@smilesxo06 in based hungary thats banned now lol

[@connieshoes9564]

Yeah feminism also

[@chrism3790]

We all know how everything that is legal also conforms to common sense. The constitution shapes reality, don't you know?

[@junkandgunk]

@@chrism3790 nice sarcasm

[@jannetguarte3656]

That cyclist should not compete with women.

[@theonereborn9299]

No, you aren't a woman...

[@loando7812]

It's hard for me to understand the logic of our world now.

[@maroua120]

2+2=5

[@michaelxz1305]

easy... one or two minority voices shout really loudly on twitter and other social networks about perceived injustices... then obviously this "story" has to be covered by all the (liberal) media... so it just blows everything out of proportion..

[@thomassankala6043]

It's not you only ,the liberal are fool. don't try to understand be yourself .for me this athletes are man

[@sancho7863]

Progressives are not liberals. Modern progressives are asking for chaos, though, they probably don’t realize this because they’re driven by a sense of self righteousness. They’re dangerous people.

[@Master-Bait]

logic is hateful, according to them

[@gemusefachlummel6467]

how her criticism is immediately shunned as hate speech...

[@draolove4675]

Same thing happened to JK Rowling, this is getting out of hand, where stating facts it’s taken immediately as hate speech.

[@Eric-sy1xu]

Chromosomes aren't a metric to measure a system of sportsmanship. Chromosomes can't tell pretty much anything beyond giving a vague indicator of what genitalia they *_might_* be born with.

[@E9X330]

@@Eric-sy1xu Wrong, chromosomes ALWAYS determine your abilities

[@tysfalsehood]

@@E9X330 Not ALWAYS, but partially, yes. There are men that are less able than some women.

[@E9X330]

@@tysfalsehood I never said that couldn't be the case, was not talking about sports exclusively

[@HappyHands.]

Take notice of the companies that sponsored them... and remember those companies.

[@steerpike50]

We never see women who transgender to men taking part in men`s competitions , i wonder why.