ARE TOULOUSE THE BEST RUGBY TEAM IN THE WORLD? | Would they beat South Africa?

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@joaofigueiras1106 2 ай бұрын

I hate when people disregard club rugby. I remember when people were saying the Champions cup final was *almost* test quality. Like nah bro, it *is* test quality! Both Toulouse and Leinster could beat the likes of Scotland, Wales, Australia etc... The Toulouse team is literally just the french national team plus internationals from nations like Argentina, Tonga, Scotland etc... Anyway love this project keep it up!

@Zveebo 2 ай бұрын

The Champions Cup final was in the top 2 or 3 rugby games played by anyone last year, international or club. No question. Perhaps the best of all when you take into account the sheer length and drama of it. Only really the RWC final came close.

@patrickkeane2067 2 ай бұрын

Defo. The tradition is just crazy. They have been going since famous Munster days, but they have kept going and got stronger even.Unlike Munster, unfortunately. There Real Madrid of Rugby. Pure class.

@stephgagnoulet3133 2 ай бұрын

Simple and straightforward answer: YES THEY ARE!!! Happy to see Eggchaser asking the question... 😉

@elpoiro Ай бұрын

Thanks for mentioning Jauzion. A hell of a quiet monster, he embodied perfectly the culture of Toulouse "hand's play, Toulouse's play". This '05 team with Heymans, Clerc, Poitrenaud, Fritz, Elissalde, Bru, Gareth Thomas, Pelous, Maka etc... could be a competitor for the title of Best Toulouse team ever. Or the 09/10 with still a lot of the squad above (Jauzion, Elissalde, Fritz etc...) but addind Dusautoir, Kelleher, Nyanga, Michalak, Servat, Picamoles and Albacete etc... Quite a history of a team, some kind of the Barça of Rugby. Amazing formation and young recruitment, with a clear game identity passing from generation of players to the next one, and with the luxury to fulfill your few needs left with top of the world international players.

@zuulbull1590 2 ай бұрын

I dont agree with Joe about the Toulouse identity. The essence of Toulouse is not "winning" which is by the way is every club goal, but 'jeu à la toulousaine" or "jeu de mains, jeu de toulousains". The flare culture, that's why they are so popular in France; they win, ok, but with flare, perfect. So the question, is maybe not is Toulouse the best, but the most beautifull, and if you consider aesthetic (in the flare way) as much as victory, you have the answer. All the young lads who dream coming at Toulouse don't only dream about victory but dream to play in this flare culture. They are leader is that way and lead the whole french rugby culture for decade in the path of Villepreux and friends.

@moebiusmoebius9041 2 ай бұрын

As a Toulouse fan, I agree with you on the essence of Toulouse as a whole club. But in the flagship team, players who can reach it are so obsessed by winning, by leaving their mark on the club history (and thus on the world rugby history ;-) ), that I think winning is part of the essence of Stade Toulousain. But of course the roots are still Bru and Villepreux concepts.

@Zveebo 2 ай бұрын

I completely agree with you 99% of the time, and that is absolutely the essence of the club. BUT the final against Leinster was an example of Toulouse showing just how much they value winning in itself when it comes down to it. That was *not* an example of playing joué rugby - it was an exceptional piece of hard nosed defensive play worthy of the best test teams on the planet. It was playing unlike anything Toulouse normally play, and showing they can do that too. Not to say there weren’t moments of flair in there - but that was a game in which they completely flipped the switch and played a game 100% to win, doing whatever it takes.

@romainviry3185 2 ай бұрын

To me he s right and players keep dying it : Winning is definitely part of Toulouse identity.

@Thudsrayz 2 ай бұрын

@@Zveebowould you consider the top 14 semifinal v La Rochelle also like this? A very tough match up front. Yes, red cards affected, but until that time Toulouse had to front physically?

@Zveebo 2 ай бұрын

@@Thudsrayz Yeah, that’s a really interesting one. Definitely LaR denied Toulouse the ability to fully play their usual game very effectively (at least until they lost so many players). But I felt it was a bit different in unlike v Leinster, I didn’t feel they adopted a totally different approach - they were still trying to play ‘le jeu Toulousain’: they just were struggling to do it because LaR were so effective. Against Leinster it seemed a much more conscious choice.

@jlsimonable 2 ай бұрын

with a another prop ( right side) yes

@mattrodrigues4608 2 ай бұрын

Keep up the great work! Love it!

@Zveebo 2 ай бұрын

I think the current team would absolutely run SA very close, and that’s properly insane for a club side. And what’s most incredible is that the core of the current Toulouse team are all around the same age - 26 or 27 or so. It’s entirely possible they can keep this squad together for years to come.

@pablocapdevielle5876 2 ай бұрын

Without a doubt it is my friend !

@superwrench9445 2 ай бұрын

The depth of the bench is not about the budget, it is the rugby school and how immensely popular the game is in the south of France which brings talent like a conveyor belt. AND it is because the best players want to play there regardless of possible more lucrative contracts because of the prospect of titles and trophies. Playing for Toulouse almost guarantees the silverware.

@TailleferAlain Ай бұрын

Il n y a qu en France que le stade toulousain est critiqué. Et j ai l impression que seul les étrangers savent voir les qualités hors du commun de ce club légendaire. Merci à vous. Ça change des éternels " mafia cassoulet " ou encore " ils gagnent grâce à l arbitre "

@iamnutty8471 2 ай бұрын

Clermont was a great team who played the best rugby but never won the big finals! they played the best rugby of mid 2010s!

@ralphsearing7892 2 ай бұрын

"If they are the best, then it's not by a lot" - Same applies to SA with 1 point wins in RWC and a loss to Ireland.

@Reg2B 2 ай бұрын

The question is about rugby club and not national teams…

@ralphsearing7892 2 ай бұрын

@@Reg2B Tim also asked "If Toulouse had been in the Rugby World Cup, would they have beaten South Africa ?"

@FrancoisCoetzee 2 ай бұрын

4xRWC titles of which 2 are back to back suggests you are wrong. 2019 final win had a significant margin (biggest in a final) against late tournament favourites England. In 2023 South Africa had the hardest qualification path that will ever be seen in RWC history and future and still prevailed. World Rugby changed the format to avoid this from ever happening again which speaks volumes. So, put the xenophobic hatred in your back pocket and save it for alcoholic rants among your fellow bigots.

@ralphsearing7892 2 ай бұрын

@@FrancoisCoetzee Pretty sure Tim is talking about recent performance, not historical.

@edr001 2 ай бұрын

please translate in french thanks !? good video good job 🔴⚫

@FRUKrugby 2 ай бұрын

French subtitles are available on the CC settings

@jamesbenjamin8078 2 ай бұрын

Thinking of their team around 2010, when Toulouse had a front row of Steincamp, Servat and Johnson. Second rowers like Pelouse and Maestri. Back rowers like Dusautoir and Nyanga. Half backs like Kelleher and Michelak. Backs like Poitrenaud, Heymans and Clerk………I think they’d run the current team close.

@thomas12262 2 ай бұрын

my childhood! what a team. Its a constant debate with my brother who would win between these two teams!

@Zveebo 2 ай бұрын

Ah, that was such a class team. Just amazing that we can realistically speak of the current lot in the same terms.

@sdngy 2 ай бұрын

Toulouse has been for decades one most well known rugby powerhouse franchise in France...so for french people nothing new under the sun, except now Toulouse is more successful in international competitions...

@noelcusack8770 2 ай бұрын

What's the story with the split screen?

@petes9524 Ай бұрын

The question should be, if Toulouse played the top south African clubs in a challenge competition, who would emerge the winner?

@alexandregarcia9726 11 күн бұрын

They put 30 points on the bulls and 50 on the Sharks last time they faced them. I let you draw the conclusion.

@petes9524 11 күн бұрын

@@alexandregarcia9726 pendulums swing. That was then, different time, different teams.

@alexandregarcia9726 11 күн бұрын

@@petes9524 lol it would be even worse now. And Toulouse doesn't play the challenge cup but the champions cup.

@petes9524 11 күн бұрын

@@alexandregarcia9726 why would it be worse now? Is that your crystal ball or your tea leaves?

@newmenewme5697 8 күн бұрын

@@alexandregarcia9726Give any SA team the same budget and resources like Toulouse then you see how close it really is. Fact is Toulouse have some of the best players not only in france but also in the world, while SA players get poached particularly in the northern hemisphere. Look at the SA players in top14, premiership and urc so if SA teams get there house in order they will definitely be on par with Toulouse.

@MrAhuapai 2 ай бұрын

we dont know because the best clubs from the NH and SH have never competed together

@bipper64 2 ай бұрын

yes they did and it turned ugly for NH club when Auckland Blues destroyed Brive in late 90's... and it was painful to see as a french guy

@veteran35th Ай бұрын

No, they just lost to Bordeaux last weekend. Click bait title. Oh and btw, I live in Toulouse.

@quentinavanzi9559 2 ай бұрын

IMO Toulouse play way above the national French team. We lost from 1 point, referee decision and lack of decisiveness in the 1st half against SouthA at world Cup. Considering that, I quite sure Toulouse would beat South Africa 7 to 8 out of 10 time Considering France national team would do so 4 to 5 our of 10 times. + The strength of SA is physical, Toulouse bench is insane

@newmenewme5697 8 күн бұрын

Your logic doesn't make sense. You say France would beat SA 4 or 5 times out of 10 yet they only won 1 game against SA in the last 10 games played between the 2 sides. I'm pretty sure SA would beat Toulouse convincingly.

@quentinavanzi9559 8 күн бұрын

@@newmenewme5697 last 10 game pushing us back to 2006, but yeah your logic is flawless

@iamnutty8471 2 ай бұрын

hmm if you compare them to the toulon team of wilko, no they wont be the greatest team but a great team for sure , the rise of la rochelle showed that anyone can do it, also toulouse budget is just too unfair to most to be able to afford to pick up internationals mid season, montpelier is the example of money doesnt buy results, for sure i would have played for toulouse french rugby atmosphere is pretty much the best at club level!

@Zveebo 2 ай бұрын

I think the money side of things is a bit overblown. They rarely pay the highest salaries and hardly go on hiring sprees: this summer they’ve recruited almost no one. And last season their only big hire over the season was Kinghorn, and he was hardly some hugely expensive superstar. His transfer was all paid for by getting rid of Jaminet for a very nice price - as one person put it recently: selling a Fiat 500 for the price of a Lamborghini, and using it to buy a Lamborghini for the price of a Fiat 500 😅

@seanspencer6727 2 ай бұрын

If they are as good as that guy says, how come they have been beaten consistently by Leinster and La Rochelle? 2024 was the first time in years they got to the Champions Cup final.

@polo-cx3ze 2 ай бұрын

@@seanspencer6727 first time since 2021 that's not a long time. And beaten by La Rochelle? They never lost against them when they send their first team. La Rochelle never won a knock out game against Toulouse in their history.

@jean-pascalesparceil9008 2 ай бұрын

@@seanspencer6727Joe and Tim are speaking of this season: it is only now that Toulouse can play both Top 14 and Champion's Cup final stagess with a full, fit for each match, team. Same problem for Leinster playing URC and Champion's Cup (winning one both in 2017-2018).

@jean-pascalesparceil9008 2 ай бұрын

@@seanspencer6727 Huge respect for Leinster frm ST. In 2022 “Too many things separated us from Leinster. We have not succeeded in stemming the blue waves. We came up against a much better team than ours. Leinster has existed at the highest level for fifteen or twenty years. I admire Leinster's game even more after what I saw. He plays exciting rugby, perhaps very codified, but which has the merit of being of rare efficiency." from Ugo Mola. In 2023 “Leinster masters its rugby so much that we have never managed to reverse the trend. We have the impression that they caught us at the begining and then toyed with us, for a good part of the match. We were never able to destabilize them”.

@seanspencer6727 2 ай бұрын

To be fair, an accurate drop kick at the death of the Champions Cup by Leinster, and you'd be asking if Leinster is the best club team in the world.

@superwrench9445 2 ай бұрын

Nope because Leinster would not have gone on to in the Top 14 mate 😉 and Top 14 is the longest and most difficult national championship in the world ( ask Kolisi …)

@jean-pascalesparceil9008 2 ай бұрын

Leinster was when winning both URC and Champion's Cup the same season, and maybe be again, but it will be even more difficult now (for Toulouse too) with the South-African franchises in both competitions.

@florentdestin1947 2 ай бұрын

"If my aunt had balls…"