Argentina 1978 | Truth and Lies

You can watch all the 1978 World Cup games on FIFATV by clicking this link:
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Welcome to my first full lenght video essay! These videos take a ton of work and time to make so don't expect them to see them often
Thank you all so much for the support, you don't know how much it means to me
0:00 Intro
1:54 Organization
4:59 First 5 Games
9:48 Peru
19:07 The Final
24:59 Officiating
35:45 Doping
41:21 Final Thoughts

[@renktalksball]

Thank you all for watching! This was a huge project so I'd appreciate it if you shared it with other football enthutiasts! Link to watch all the games on FIFATV: www.plus.fifa.com/en/showcase/53ea2534-eb36-4335-bc48-8e9c70cb1cad?gl=ar

[@renktalksball]

Now added timestamps for easier access to each individual chapter!

[@GordonCaledonia]

A documentary on Ernst Happel would be amazing. His life, oh man, oh man. And his achievements as a manager are unique in the annals of the game. Rest in peace.

[@raymcgrath4116]

Good call! one of the greatest managers ever! He was also, it should be noted an excellent player as well, being considered one of Austria's greatest ever players alongside Sindelar, Hanappi, Pezzey , Prohaska and Krankl. A documentary on his life would be very revealing and would help to shed light on his tactical innovations as a coach.

[@Filpiovano]

This is the most comprehensive review and analysis of the 1978 World Cup I've seen. Your research was very thorough and unbiased and I think your conclusions are 100% correct. Spectacular work!

[@SiliconMolybdenumNitrogen]

Ah so this is where Maradona got the idea for his ‘hand of god’ goal 😂

[@Bulgarian-Mapping]

GG, bro THIS IS SO GOOD well deserved sub

[@alwanhamadi8433]

If I had a time machine to travel back in time, I would go back to the year 1978, exactly at the time of the World Cup championship in Argentina... I think that the 1978 tournament is the best and most beautiful tournament held so far... A lot of talk and doubts are raised whenever Argentina wins an important tournament!!! I do not know why !!! Argentina won many tournaments, but the 1978 World Cup was the most important.... I loved the matches of this tournament and considered that it was the highest level of competition, and no team deserved the tournament like the Argentine team deserved it.... You are the best, and this video contains a great analysis of what happened in the 1978 World Cup... I don’t know why you don’t have more followers???!!!

[@hmdwgf]

The 1978 WC was a manipulated tournament where the Argentine team were above FIFA. It is one of the worst FIFA WC's ever. It should never have been held in Argentina with that government in place

[@renktalksball]

I respect this opinion too, however I suggest you watch the video first before commenting

[@ricardojordanjordan2216]

Brazil was robbed its so obvious

[@guillermotorres6726]

​@@hmdwgfprimero ve el vídeo...

[@guillermotorres6726]

​@@hmdwgfalguien que no vio el vídeo 🤣

[@mediastarguest]

Excellent documentary. 1978 was one of the truly great FIFA World Cup tournaments and a real "seventies-feel" event. The painstaking effort put into the detailed analysis is commendable.

[@brute_lin2023]

WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE OVER A MILLION SUBS!!! THIS WAS TOOO GOOD! KEEP IT UP!

[@Entre_Nous_]

Thank you Renk that was a very fair minded and detailed look at a most controversial World Cup. I happen to be of the view that the Argentina team won on merit and that not only did they win but they won with a certain flair and verve that distinguished them from all other teams in that tournament. I would describe the 1978 selección as a near great football team and Mario Kempes as the defining star of that World Cup.

[@Rg1150]

kempes 6 gol in Argentina, no one in 74 and 82 world cup

[@mediastarguest]

​@@Rg1150Good point. But Kempes was at his peak in 78 and star of a team playing in front of their home crowd - with a passionate incentive to win for their people.

[@raymcgrath4116]

Good point about Alonso, in fact Menotti gave him very little time on the field!!! It could be said that his second half introduction against Hungary changed the course of the match, injecting much needed guile into the midfield. There were many strange decisions by Menotti during the tournament, his persistence in deploying Bertoni who was often on the edge of a meltdown!!! The lack of minutes for Houseman was a scandal and plunged him into depression. I suspect that Menotti’s under utilisation of Alonso was his way of spiting the Junta as its common knowledge that “Beto” was never his preferred choice for the squad. In the end Argentina triumphed and it may be best not too ask to many questions as to the manner that this was achieved. This was a tragic period in modern Argentine history and no one comes out of this with reputations intact.

[@samykiani944]

Finally I was able to watch your video. I can't comment much on what happened at the 1978 World Cup because I never checked out any footage of that World Cup. But to me it sounds like you were investigating this matter as objectively as possible. Props for that. 👍

[@renktalksball]

Thank you! If you ever feel like checking the footage out, you can watch in the link in the description

[@AD744]

Amazing video!

[@GordonCaledonia]

The real question is, though: who smoked more cigarettes in the Final - Happel or Menotti? I reckon Menotti, but it must have been close.

[@4sidefootball]

Crazy good video 🔥

[@raymcgrath4116]

good post. Actually the fix was in earlier as it was important for Argentina that Peru lost against Poland, so that Poland would have something to play for against Brazil. Velasquez claimed that the manager Calderon made a series of strange substitutions against Argentina and that the training camp had been visited frequently by a press circus including Pele and Ramon Mifflin working for US television, and that these intrusions had unsettled key players. It is also speculated that the two players Velasquez alluided to were Chumpitaz and Cubillas, two legends of Peruvian football.Without any question Rodolfo Manzo was deeply implicated and the jury is out on Chumpitaz and Cubillas. Anti-semitism reared it's ungly head when Argentina protested about the proposed referee for the final, Abraham Klein, an israeli citizen and he was shamefully replaced by FIFA with the Italian Sergio Gonella.

[@albertcardenas9437]

How am i just watching this? This is a really well made video Renk. I learned a lot more about this world cup than before. Thank you, and i agree, '78 world cup was probably rigged 😅

[@AboubacarSiddikh]

The 1966, 1974 and 1978 world cups were all "won" by the host nations. That is all the proof of rigging I need.

[@senorfedora9630]

stupid comment.

[@ELGRANDIRECTORTECNICO]

Lo suyo es falacia de autoridad

[@user-qt3dg3qn6x]

Stop talking rubbish.

[@ninveh1]

1970 Mexico?

[@AboubacarSiddikh]

@@user-qt3dg3qn6x Learn history before you comment.

[@MM-yc7tp]

Vamos vamos ⭐⭐⭐

[@leehammett8717]

The first pic of Ardiles is from 1982 - le coq sportif kit. Adidas was 1978

[@renktalksball]

You got a great eye! Yes i knew that, you can imagine that finding hundreds of full HD images of the 70s its not easy lol

[@leehammett8717]

Apologies, I didn't intend to mock you

[@renktalksball]

No worries 👍

[@terrygill8280]

It’s a forgotten and lost fact that Peru had nothing to play for against Argentina. When a team has nothing to play for, players levels drop and of course the manager will make changes to give other players game time and substitutions. Argentina deserved the win, played with attacking flair, and scored the most goals, end of debate imo 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kevinhisee4265]

1934 still beats it for rigging

[@raymcgrath4116]

What is also often overlooked is the manner in which Boca Juniors and their players were excluded from the 1978 World Cup, the club were denied grants to undertake refurbishments to their stadium and their players who were the current South American club champions had no representation in Menotti's squad. It would seem that the club's history of being aligned with Peronism did them no favours in this respect. When Menotti announced his final squad of 22, the focus was on the exclusion of Maradona and the absence of Boca players was lost in the controversy. Velez Sarsfield and others however received generous grants for refurbishments through a system that was not at all transparent.

[@jawadabdullah5555]

Maradona was unproven teenager in 1978, but how on the earth no Boca palyers were selected!!!

[@raymcgrath4116]

Let's not forget that Diego was already the captain of Argentinos Juniors by that time, we have to imagine that this was one of the most notorious periods in Argentine football history! he was the acknowledged leader by the age of 17, the idea that he was unproven doesn't stand scrutiny. I have often wondered what were actually the real reasons that he was not selected. According to Osvaldo Ardiles, the majority of the players in the squad were genuinely shocked when he was left out! Menotti's justification when confronted by the press was always a litany of lame excuses. Indeed General Suarez Mason, a prominent supporter of Argentinos Juniors in this period broke ranks and described the decision as "imcomprehensible!" This is merely historical fact. @@jawadabdullah5555

[@renktalksball]

Menotti said that he knew it wouldn't be Maradona's last chance to win a world cup (and he was right) and that many other player would play their final tournament in 78, other said that there was pressure from the media to call up River Plate's star Norberto Alonso, but this was never proven

[@GordonCaledonia]

FIFA and Argentina had a bad relationship from the get-go. Argentina sought in vain to host the World Cup for years and were finally (allegedly and unofficially?) promised the 1962 World Cup, only for it to go to Chile, not a footballing power, who had mediocre stadiums. Chile won 32 votes to Argentina's 10. 14 members abstained from voting. Then in 1966, Argentina got shafted by referees, as did Uruguay in their matches against England. Argentina were given the 1978 World Cup in 1966, but then amazingly failed to qualify in 1970, allowing Peru to shine, then performed poorly in 1974. Peru won the 1975 Copa, they were a very good side, Cubillas was an amazing player, but in 1978, Argentina had a great side, they were so tough, so skilful: Passarella, Ardilles, Luque and of course, Kempes were amazing world-class players. Peru have never been a physical side and Argentina are masters of that style. Was the match rigged? Possibly. But Argentina were, one way or another, destined to win that World Cup. Which Dutch player was it who said, _"My feeling in extra time was that if we won that match, we wouldn't get out of the stadium alive."_ I think it was Johnny Rep. Here is the full match of the 1978 Final with the original Argentinian TV commentary: footballia.net/matches/netherlands-argentina-world-cup-1978 Great match, no nonsense tackling, skill, bravery, craziness, cigarettes. Rest in peace, Dick Nanninga, Rob Rensenbrink and many other Dutch players.

[@Purrete]

Excellent analysis and opinion, Gordon !

[@GordonCaledonia]

@@Purrete Thanks, young Stalin!

[@Escietanica]

si tomamos en cuenta ese conflicto en el vestuario peruano que mencionaste en relacion a Cristal y A. Lima entonces es posible que las acusaciones de Velazquez hayan sido mas desde el rencor y el querer embarrar la cancha que por honestidad e integridad, a modo de retribucion quiza por aquellos conflictos algo que igual pone en duda la cuestion del doping es que quienes como Ardiles o Kempes jugaron por muchos años mas sin problema, lo cual bajo cualquier estandar logico habria sido imposible si ellos consumian aquellas ingentes cantidades de las que se los acusa, ya que o habrian muerto de intoxicacion por sobredosis O sus cuerpos habrian cedido mucho antes, forzando un retiro temprano cualquiera sea el caso, es un mundial confuso de dislumbrar y siempre va a tener al falcon verde como sombra, pero al ser que todo han sido acusaciones y nadie ha sido capaz de probar su ilegitimidad entonces prefiero en lo personal inclinarme por la opcion de aceptarlo como nuestro sin mas ademas si vamos al caso, la FIFA hasta ese punto nos habia tratado para la mierda (habiendonos arrebatado el mundial del 38 para darselo a los franceses debido a Jules Rimet, chorearnos en el 66 para que inglaterra gane su mundial y presuntamente negarnos el mundial de 62 tambien) asi que un mundial de local era lo minimo que nos podian dar los muy ratas de todas formas el video esta buenardo he visto otros donde siempre se nos embarra y acusa sin dar pie a la historia completa, y el ver un video en ingles (de parte de un argentino) exponiendo todos los pros, contras y matices del mundial es cuanto menos refrescante si recomendaria practicar la fluidez con el ingles porque el acento argentino aveces se superpone demasiado kajskaks mas alla de eso esta God el video, merecido like por lo bien redactado, editado e investigado que esta

[@renktalksball]

Muchas gracias jsjsjs Si ese fue el principal motivo de hacer el vídeo, escuchar acusaciones sin fundamento sobre el robo de un mundial que nadie de nuestra generación vió Si hubo momentos turbios y el mundial no debió jugarse en un país en dictadura, pero el logro deportivo es en mí opinión legítimo Y bueno, la pronunciación se va trabajando, todavía me cuesta hablar en español imagínate inglés jajaja ya mucho que soy fluido

[@Spectrescup]

​@renktalksball what about the 2 million tonnes of grain that crossed the Peruvian border at midnight? This isnt conspiracy theory, its an established fact.

[@renktalksball]

@@Spectrescup I did mention the grain shipment that was sent to Peru a month after the tournament, definetly suspicious, but collaborations between the military juntas was not unheard off Like I said at the end of the video, I won't blame anyone who thinks the World Cup was rigged, the military junta had the power to do so, if you believe it was rigged the grain shipment will be part of your evidence, if you think it wasn't rigged the shipment will be just a coincidence, its a matter of perspective At the end of the day, what I saw on the pitch did not seem fixed or scripted, but that's my perception and I accept different opinions

[@dadodydo]

S __t.

[@brankobelfranin8815]

This cup was bought.

[@user-qt3dg3qn6x]

1978 was a fix

[@renktalksball]

Did you watch the video?

[@user-qt3dg3qn6x]

@renktalksball Yes but it all still comes across as dodgy.

[@Goldfishclown]

Truth: Argentina cheated their way to the World Cup in 1978. Lies: Claiming anything else.

[@ELGRANDIRECTORTECNICO]

Les digo a todos los que vienen acá: lee de la Wikipedia en inglés.

[@renktalksball]

Si, use Wikipedia como una de las fuentes para este video, pero no creo que la mitad del contenido venga de ahí, la mayoría es de mirar los partidos, los extractos de libros y otros artículos, si hiciera un vídeo que sea un transcripto de Wikipedia ni me hubiera molestado

[@andrekoerber7334]

The world cups in Italy 1934 and in Argentina 1978 were manipulated in favour of the host countries.

[@GordonCaledonia]

This doesn't quite make sense, as FIFA and Argentina had a bad relationship from the get-go. Argentina sought in vain to host the World Cup for years and were finally allegedly unofficially promised the 1962 World Cup, only for it to go to Chile, not a footballing power, who had mediocre stadiums. Chile won 32 votes to Argentina's 10. 14 members abstained from voting. Then in 1966, Argentina got shafted by referees, as did Uruguay in their matches against England. Argentina were given the 1978 World Cup in 1966, but then amazingly failed to qualify in 1970, allowing Peru to shine, then performed poorly in 1974. Peru won the 1975 Copa, they were a very good side, Cubillas was an amazing player, but in 1978, Argentina had a great side, they were so tough, so skilful: Passarella, Ardilles, Luque and of course, Kempes were amazing world-class players. Peru have never been a physical side and Argentina are masters of that style. Was the match rigged? Possibly. But Argentina were, one way or another, destined to win that World Cup. Which Dutch player was it who said, _"My feeling in extra time was that if we won that match, we wouldn't get out of the stadium alive."_ I think it was Jonny Rep. Here is the full match of the 1978 Final with the original Argentinian TV commentary: footballia.net/matches/netherlands-argentina-world-cup-1978 Great match, no nonsense tackling, skill, bravery, craziness, cigarettes. Rest in peace, Dick Nanninga, Rob Rensenbrink and many other Dutch players.

[@ELGRANDIRECTORTECNICO]

La única verdad es la realidad. Y la realidad se ve en la cancha. Estoy muy agradecido a nuestro🇦🇷 plantel por ganar nuestro primer título en nuestro País PD: y gracias Videla por haber hecho lo tuyo. Lo hiciste bien. Era acabar con la subversión.