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The attempted unification of church doctrine by Constantine through the Council of Nicaea. Especially resolving the Arian Controversy (based on the views of Arius of Alexandria). The Nicene Creed. Seeds of eventual schism in the church.
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[@dennismaherii]

bruh i honesty do not know what i would do without my boy khan

[@TheKnowledgeMan101]

Fun fact: When Arius was presenting his case for Jesus at the Council of Nicaea, a bishop from Myra in Turkey, went up to his face and slapped him in the face so hard, that he was imprisoned for it, but he was personally set free by Constantine. And that Bishop was St. Nicholas (a.k.a Santa Claus)

[@mustafali1453]

you said the truth,but ppl went too far to make him hero it blew up in their faces. it's always like that,don't go too far with it.

[@ophiolatreia93]

Really? Santa claus did prison time?

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

Dude, that's freaking hilarious!

[@jesusisgod6474]

Arius got an early present.

[@robertbach9376]

I'm disappointed that it's not in this video (I assume since your comment). That is the most important fact to come out of this council imo.

[@GroovyMoo28]

I've been struggling with this material so much even after reading 15 different mixed sources for my class. Now I finally understand because of this video. Khan academy never misses and is doing such important work thank you.

[@blueskyscubanut]

We’re talking about the Egyptian influence for the trinity of The Father Osiris, The Mother Isis and The Son Horus, right?

[@devvv4616]

Interesting to note Arian's version of Jesus, as well as other unitarians, ie. those who reject the trinity, is close to Islam's view of Jesus, that being Jesus as a man. In the Islamic perspective, Constantine adapted his version of Christianity with Roman beliefs, and then persecuted thereafter Christians who followed other versions of Christianity, such as those of Arian. So, in essence, it is believed that the original form of Christianity is about Jesus being a servant, messenger of God, a messiah, but not God himself.

[@vigenlona]

No. Even in Arianism Jesus is God, he just isn't God the Father.

[@jokerguycz]

"So, in essence, it is believed that the original form of Christianity is about Jesus being a servant, messenger of God, a messiah, but not God himself" Based on what sad reasoning did you come up with that conclusion? The Roman version of christianity was the original one and the true one, and everything else every other heresy and every error came after, and where new. Constantine did not adapt annything, he himself was adopted into the one true church.

[@muhammadnumanbhat5342]

Right. They cant prove from ist 300 years trinity from any church father. Rather Turtuellian was also not a trinitarian. Origen of Alexendria also was a subordinationist. Polycarp was a binatarian. History is evident. Islam is true wallah.

[@Goodboy-sq4ot]

Bible teaches Jesus Christ is God , and who denies this fact is antichrist........... John 1:1-3(Holy bible) The Word Became Flesh In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

[@muhammadnumanbhat5342]

@@Goodboy-sq4ot i want to debate that verse... Are you willing... You can share your whatsapp no. I will message you brother

[@eric_e95]

When I was undergoing my Confirmation as a Catholic schoolboy, we were instructed to memorize the Nicene Creed (Nicene-Constantinian) from memorization. No lessons on what everything means, no teaching of the nuances of WHY we were proclaiming this creed and its history, absolutely nothing. Just complete and outright regurgitation of words we didn't understand and phrases that went over all of our heads

[@Pwnulolumad]

This is why you’re supposed to undergo confirmation when you are able to fully understand the relationship and commitment that you are making. People mature at different ages .

[@amielrelox]

You should have done your part as the one being confirmed into faith. There are lots of books written by Church Fathers and even Saints on the topic.

[@Altair1904]

Problem with priests and bishops all over

[@kiuk_kiks]

Indoctrination is compulsory to ensure consensus.

[@tanbajesealy8210]

This video presents the ecclesiastical history in a comprehendible and concise manner. Good work.

[@Rossesh101]

Thank you. This is very well explained and helped me understand what Arianism is :) you got a subscriber

[@daniellejohn8314]

Mr khan where have you been my entire life your so good. I am now facing the tests and I have benefited from the videos​ so I would like to say thanks Mr khan academy

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

These comments are hilarious. I think it's safe to say that after 1700 years the debate still rages on!

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 I don't even know what that's supposed to mean or how it's relevant to my comment.

[@Flarisic]

@@BlGGESTBROTHER basically you touched on a bigger truth than you really know

[@amaledward2147]

Nah 99% are Trinitarians

[@TaxEvasi0n]

@@amaledward2147Will Jesus find faith when he arrives?

[@neilpollicino80]

Thank you for your explanation's clarity.

[@hydralisk98]

Fascinating!

[@buddhawebb1047]

Nice great job!

[@Jacinta0511]

Fascinating

[@cw4608]

Sal Kahn has elevated the sharing of knowledge to an entirely new level. It transcends borders, nationalities, and religions. May you be blessed in many ways for your goodness.

[@LORDNAG1]

thank goodness for History!

[@JohnnyDobbs.]

I am doing some research on this right now do you have the source material or rather references to the sources for your info? Just studying up on my apologetics. Thank you

[@divinechemechanical]

R. P. C Hanson wrote perhaps the major modern work on Arianism.

[@leonvoltaire]

Good look into the Divine Council of the old testament and the Most High. Very few know of this and the dividing of the nations among the g_ds, at the Tower of Babel(gateway of the g_d's). In short, the Most High has no equals and there are other g_d's too, even the ten Commandments confirm such(not to worship other g_d's). Why would anyone of sound mind follow the doctrine of sun worship and paganism? Proof: All of the holidays and their pagan origins and the idol worshipping.

[@nikolasao]

Does anyone know where the next video is? Thanks

[@zekdom]

1:10, 1:18 2:18 2:58 3:48 - The Council 4:21 - The Nicene Creed

[@bgmapper05]

What is the program

[@multivitamin425]

Lmao I just now realized the nicean creed paragraph is literally a mass prayer

[@nathancrever5161]

I actually agree with Arius that God came before Jesus, within the context of the Literature.

[@alosh711]

﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [Al-Mâ'idah: 75] The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. - Saheeh International ﴿اتَّخَذوا أَحبارَهُم وَرُهبانَهُم أَربابًا مِن دونِ اللَّهِ وَالمَسيحَ ابنَ مَريَمَ وَما أُمِروا إِلّا لِيَعبُدوا إِلهًا واحِدًا لا إِلهَ إِلّا هُوَ سُبحانَهُ عَمّا يُشرِكونَ﴾ [At-Taubah: 31] They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allāh, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. - Saheeh International Many more verses in the quran speaks about the messiah Jesus peace be upon him and Mary the virgin

[@amielrelox]

But still Jesus is the same God which came before him.

[@kosmatifizik]

Cant say trinitarian without arian

[@theuncreatedlight4717]

I like what you did there...

[@ImperialDiecast]

I actually have a feeling that the victory of trinitarianism during the council of nicaea over arianism helped christianity out in the long run, allowing it to position itself as something different to islam. if arianism had won, maybe islam's influence would have been greater over europe, as it's just an expanded form of arianism.

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

This is where you are confused. Arianism is the true call of the prophets and since the message became corrupted that’s why god had to send Islam. It’s a tragedy for the Christians that they went astray because they will see in the end where this fate lands them

[@WILLIAN_1424]

Actually if arianism winned islam wouldnt even existed, thats because Muhammad bellieved that jesus was a prophet, not god, just like the Arians. So by muslim beliefs, Arianism would be the correct form of christianity, and the correct interpretation of god's message and will. By the way, i am not a muslim or christian myself so ive probably said something wrong, please correct any mistake.

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

@@WILLIAN_1424 of course it would still exist and god still would have sent the Quran because Arianism was not the full truth it still gave Jesus some of gods divine attributes which is blasphemous

[@Flintlock1776]

@@Islam.is.the.truth..So far it's landed us on the moon and a high standard of living.

[@Altair1904]

John Damascus in fact confirms that Mohammed was an heretic who initially was taught by an Arian priest and that’s why you have Johannine type of statements about Jesus in the Quran which contradict other sections of strict Unitarianism in the Quran. The Trinity won because it’s the best representation of the True God and the hypothetical of Arianism winning it’s impossible as the Spirit guides the church into all truths

[@gregjones8412]

I'm not sure whether it's right to say 'the majority of those [bishops] there did not like his [Arius'] point of view...' as opposed to those that shouted the loudest got their own way and when once Constantine was swayed, those in attendance were rather quick to acquiesce.

[@divinechemechanical]

There was only a minority of the total number of bishops even in attendance at the Council of Nicaea, probably not even what we would call a quorum.

[@lamename2010]

They were the largest unified front. The non-trinitarians outnumbered them but due to not being able to make up their mind and thus not being able to present a united front, they lost the debate. This isn't even getting into the more recent historical evidence showing that Arius and Athanasius were both coming from the same school of thought (Origen) and putting their own spin on things to try and make sense of things, which came about in Arius emphasizing monotheism and the position that God has, while Athanasius emphasized the unique nature of Christ and the position that he has.

[@eliasabourjeily999]

@@lamename2010 the vast majority of the bishops were with Arius but Emperor Constantine forced them to accept to the doctrine that Athanasius supported.

[@lamename2010]

@@eliasabourjeily999 They weren't with Arius. They also weren't with Athanasius. Rather they supported slightly different beliefs than either of them (historians nowadays suspect that they were more line with Arius, but that didn't matter in the final outcome), which ended with Athanasius having the largest minority behind him. There are so many ways to interpret the relationship between God and Jesus, that all these minor disagreements would allow the largest minority, which even though vastly outnumbered, would through it's cohesion, be able to browbeat everyone else. And even then it was a compromise position, seeing as historians also nowadays suspect that Athansius himself would not believe in the trinity of today, going but what he himself said elsewhere. (Read "Arianism: Roman Heresy and Barbarian Creed" for more on this)

[@eliasabourjeily999]

@@lamename2010 I do believe that by force the majority of bishops agreed with Athanasius.

[@treythings7292]

Nice narrator voice!

[@dirmanbw336]

WHAAT? I didnt know Mr Khan also teach religion history. Is there anything he doesnt know

[@ophiolatreia93]

He teaches goat kama sutra

[@danielmark5887]

I thought exactly the same and I'm just as surprised and amazed.

[@robertbach9376]

It's amazing he started teaching math and now he's learning for himself and teaching to such a wide audience a huge breadth of knowledge.

[@constantinebair879]

We say this in liturgy for orthodox Christians. “light of light , true God” . “The creed” Truth is with the monastic ascetics from the beginning, their wouldn’t be Christianity.

[@robertbach9376]

Us Catholics say it too, but our Creed makes clear that the holy spirit comes from the father AND THE SON, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a Latin addition that didn't appear in the Greek

[@robertbach9376]

Oops, he covered it in the video

[@lalainaramarivelo]

I like this channel but this one is too big to just let slip by. The Arian controversy did not occur in a vacuum. To say that there were multi sects won't help either. Arius (and the subsequent debate, insert 2nd 3rd Oeucumenical Councils) came up with his idea **because of** a controversy that stirred you the church in the 2nd century : Modalism aka Sabellianism aka Monarchianism aka Modal Monarchism, which boils down to this Economic Trinity (Trinity to the world) = Ontological Trinity (Trinity by essence), God has 3 hats: Father hat, Jesus hat, Spirit hat. That heresy was condemned. Now enter Arius. The last thing they wanted to avoid was to be associated with Modalism. Arius, in a sense thought of himself as a "protector" sound doctrine by separating (at all cost) The Father and the Son (again, think Modalism). Hence, he introduced the Creator / Creation divide. And then... Controversy. Again, this channel is great but this is just too big to just let slip by.

[@ronaldeverson6848]

Check out my comments above yours when you first enter this video..... Shalawam Achot Hosanna Selah El elyon Ha ishi( Hosea 2:16) Eloah Strongest Strong's Concordance h1961 Hayah Hayah........

[@austins.219]

Trusting Constantine the sun God worshiper and the Catholic church to give you your doctrine is a bad idea

[@diegobarragan4904]

Sojourner-wondering and trusting yourself as the sole interpreter of scriptures from a 21st century mindset is a even worst idea . I’d rather trust in Christ’s Church at nicea

[@UniversidadKerygma]

You are wrong

[@jrhermosura4600]

if one is the father and the other is the son, then that implies that one of them came first, and the other second. if they are coeternal then they should be twins, not father and son.

[@gkeith64]

23rd psalms Father sent his namesake, who came in his Fathers name! See many passages on Jesus saying such, also in revelations.

[@LordWyatt]

Totally true John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God. And the Word Was God.

[@muhammadnumanbhat5342]

What about father is greater than i... And other verses where followers of jesus are 1 with jesus, as in john ch 3. No church father in first 300 years had trinity as faith. It was after 325 years , it was introduced in nicean creed due to political pressure. History is evident.

[@gkeith64]

@@muhammadnumanbhat5342 The age of deception is now come to a head. All once hidden, is now revealed. Because we where deceived, we've not realized we where given the anti-messiyah.... Genesis 10 King James Version 10 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Yerimiyah 16:19 O *LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. *LORD all capitals = YhWh rather YahUah HoseYaH 4:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy ELohiym, I will also forget thy children.... Yahucanon, (John) 4:22 Proper Name Version (PNV) 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Yahudim. Proverbs 10:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot. Proverbs 22:1 King James Version (KJV) 22 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold. IsaiYah 42 8 I am YahUah: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images... Further: 23rd psalms YahUah sent his namesake Acts 2:36 ESV Let all the house of Yasherael therefore know for certain that Alahainu has made him both King and MessiYah, this Yahushua whom you crucified IsaYah 48:9 “For my namesake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.” Psalms 25:11 - For thy name's sake, O YahUah, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great Psalms 79:9 - Help us, O Elohainu of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake name·​sake | \ ˈnām-ˌsāk \ Definition of namesake : one that has the same name as another especially : one who is named after another or for whom another is named. His grandson and namesake is the spit and image of him … Ya'hn 5:43 (PNV) Yahushua Ya'meshiyah said: I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. Hmmm? That's interesting Jesus comes in his own name, yet Yhuhshua comes in YhUh's name....go figure!??? 2 Corinthians Proper Name Version (KJV) 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in MessiYah. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Yahushua, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 1 John 2:22-25 King James Version (KJV) 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yahushua is Ya'meshiyah? He is anti-messiyah, that denieth the Father, YahUah and the Son Yahuahshua. Yahuel (Joel)2:32 (PNV) 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of YahUah shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Yarushalem shall be deliverance, as YahUah hath said, and in the remnant whom YahUah shall call. Further; Revelation 17:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 13:18, ESV: "This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." ... Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Greek 666 600 = Hey 60 = Zu 6 = S HeyZu's = Jesus 1582 In 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII introduced his Gregorian calendar, Europe adhered to the Julian calendar, first implemented by Julius Caesar in 46 B.C. Since the Roman emperor's system miscalculated the length of the solar year by 11 minutes, the calendar had since fallen out of sync with the seasons.Sep 13, 2012 1524 How did J get its sound? Both I and J were used interchangeably by scribes to express the sound of both the vowel and the consonant. It wasn't until 1524 when Gian Giorgio Trissino, an Italian Renaissance grammarian known as the father of the letter J, made a clear distinction between the two sounds. Know this truth we all where deceived already..... Yah shalom wa barakah💜☀✴

[@melokulelekankumalo3402]

@@LordWyattI believe John 1:1 was a copy, because 10,000 years before that scripture was penned, there was a scripture found in "The Ru Pert Em Heru" that read.....Osiris was the "great word." and he gave orders to the spirits, and he was the word of what cometh into being and what was not. In other words, Osiris "The Word", spoke the words through which all things in Heaven came into being from non-existence. Ma'at Hotep....Ase'

[@gkeith64]

@@melokulelekankumalo3402 sigh, you know YahuDah rather Yahu∆ah Kingdom built all the ∆ piYHWHmids rather π🔯mids, as they form the star tetYHUHhedron 🔯 inside them. Yashayahu 19th chapter, keys of Enoch and letter of Barnabas 16th chapter ✅ We have 4 key Elders The Ancient Covenant Elders - Yahu∆im The rest are all Gentile Greek Roman All the current religions, regardless of their denomination

[@Flarisic]

lets bring it back

[@michaelpurcelldo353]

Can anyone explain for me the link, if there is one, between Arius and the self-identifying "Arians" (arian race). Links appreciated

[@amanduswestin9211]

Because of the linguistical and cultural connection between most Indians and Europeans (there are some exeptions like the Basque and the Finno-Ugrics in Europe and the Tamils in India), the term aryan was borrowed from sanskrit and began to be used by western scolars in the 19th century to refer to basically a"Nordic race". Arius was simply this guys name, according to the last link it's greek and means immortal. en.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius www.babynamewizard.com/baby-name/boy/arius

[@julianocamargo6674]

No connection between Arian (follower of Arius) and Aryan, just confusion, given that most followers of Arianism were found in the Germanic tribes they converted very early, and later diffused as conquerors in the collapsing Roman Empire. To add to this confusion, the word Aryan was used by Nazi propaganda.

[@MrSonyChaos]

You mean Aryan, aryan is a synonym of indo-european, the indo-europeans called themselves "aryans" (the equivalent in their language of course), aryans are to europeans what the gauls are to the french, the celts to the irish, etc. The nazis later tainted the name so no one uses it now.

[@baldwintheleper8290]

Indo-Europeans = Aryans, West Asians= Semites

[@thomasdavis4818]

No link.

[@shaynefowley5689]

Arius dies on his way to being appointed as a bishop. Can you take a guess how he dies? Answer: poison.

[@TheMCAmigos]

He shat himself to death actually

[@AbdAllah-lp7wn]

He was right

[@nocompulsioninlove2148]

His bowels burst open.... or maybe poison...

[@shaynefowley5689]

@يا سين true. At the Council of Nicea, Bishop Nicholas slaps the priest because Arius upsets Nicholas’s feelings. An attack on the psychological belief system can cause a fight or flight response. Consensus is a dangerous thing. Group think can victimize a man who articulated the cosmological singularity of the Big Bang before science discovered such a phenomenon.

[@veli1495]

When did trinitarians first come into existence? Were Jesus' companions trinitarians as well? Or did the concept evolve years after that? If the Bible does not clearly indicate a theological doctrine, and can only be concluded through interpretations, why trinitarians consider unitarians wrong? And vice versa? While both have used the Bible to conclude two different views.

[@Halal_Dan]

Trinitarianism is basically paganism

[@gaiusoctavius5935]

@@Halal_Dan Nope.

[@Halal_Dan]

@@gaiusoctavius5935 "Nope" *prays to a wooden carving of a man on a cross*

[@gaiusoctavius5935]

@@Halal_Dan Most Christians pray to God the Father invoking the name of God the Son. But sure just because you don't understand the Trinity it must be paganism even though there's nothing pagan about it.

[@Halal_Dan]

@@gaiusoctavius5935 Then you're ascribing partners with the Creator, which is a major sin, and is polytheism.

[@giuseppevianello9288]

Arius was very logical in his analysis.

[@hiddentreasures1889]

Arius sounds like he was a Muslim

[@muhammadnumanbhat5342]

Yes he was logical. But due to the political pressure he with 2 lebanese bishops was left alone and exiled. Trinity was put forward, and not on the scriptural grounds.

[@bruhidk3069]

Not at all

[@bruhidk3069]

@@muhammadnumanbhat5342 Stop spreading lies LMAO

[@muhammadnumanbhat5342]

@@bruhidk3069 check history...dont follow your dogma blindly, please

[@muhammadm4582]

Guess what, newton was an arian.

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

Yeah...I love when Trinitarians quote Newton to support their beliefs.

[@kiwihans100]

Not quite, Read ewton's explanation of Jesus in his pre human form. He beieved that the father produced the son from out of himself, the same substance as the father but not equel to the father. On the other hand I thnk you will find that Arius believed that the son was NOT of the same substance as the father, that wrong!

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

@@kiwihans100 He was semi-arian at least. He certainly wasn't a trinitarian though. If we're going to squabble over how Christians define their beliefs we'll be here for eternity as Christians can't agree on anything once you dig into the meat of the issues. That's why there's 33,000+ different sects of Christianity.

[@amaledward2147]

Not exactly

[@justinfiorenzio7112]

Unitarian Adventist groups & C.T.Russell, founder of the B.Student movement an it's breaking group , Watchtower , j.witness, got there teachings from Arius

[@MarvinHernandez-xb3cc]

Khan Academy, just wondering is Arius connect to Tertullian? The reason I ask is because I have read Tertullian writing and his idea sounds like the quote from Arius. Also fun fact: The Pope didn't show up at the Council of Nicaea because the Pope and the Emperor didn't see eye to eye.

[@Altair1904]

The Pope still affirmed the council and he was represented by 2 delegates. My understanding is that Tertullian has to be taken with a grain of salt as he also died away from true Orthodoxy by embracing Montanism. My understanding is that Tertullian articulated that the Logos and the Spirit were brought forth by the Father and not eternally distinct. Ontologically however they were still eternal. This was an understanding corrected at Nicaea with the doctrine of eternal generation which professes an eternal distinction between the three persons of the Holy Trinity

[@QuarterMan88]

"the anointed one" The end. ;)

[@BrownistKidUKnow]

David was anointed one too, what are trying to say? That just proves Jesus is messiah

[@faithfultheology]

@@BrownistKidUKnow ya kinda the whole point of the book ..... Jesus is son of God not God

[@Devin-hk6bt]

@@faithfultheology read john 1:1 and Matthew 1:23

[@ammarahmed6432]

@@faithfultheology Bible has many sons of God. Why is Jesus Christ any different than those?

[@wowulam7411]

@@ammarahmed6432 Forgive sins, only God forgive sins. Judge the living, But God is the one who will be the Judge. Called Himself Good Shepherd But God is the only one that is Good. No one comes through the Father Before the Son. We could go on and on.

[@Enoch-Gnosis]

The council of Nicea = Modern day Government

[@leonvoltaire]

And the Messiah = to the Most High

[@asamanthinketh5944]

Idiotic

[@serendipity6750]

Everybody pray at once and let's see if we all receive the same conclusion to the trinity.

[@nanocalp]

So Christ sits at the side of himself? What.

[@BrownistKidUKnow]

nanocalp that's exactly how I reacting being taught that in church! Ahaha

[@figuhrfabien3060]

Good observation

[@thedisintegrador]

No, you’re proposing Monophysitism if I am correct. Son is distinct from the Father, yet they are of the same mold, same essence.

[@shaynefowley5689]

Matěj Jureček where can I find the Scripture that states the Son is the same substance as the Father?

[@thedisintegrador]

Shayne Fowley with that exact wording you won’t find it there, that’s the language of the ecumenical councils and of the Fathers, but the best places you can go are the gospel of John. Like John 1:1-5, John 17 and other places. And then there are the epistles. Colossians 1:15 and onwards nicely portrays the relation of Son and Father. First epistle of John is also nice. But John 1:1-5 is the basis. Father and his Logos are distinct, but yet they are both the One God. And I am not really sure, but I think the hypostasiis share in divinity but not in substance. If they shared their respective substances, they would be indistinguishable, i.e., Jesus would be praying to himself. But this is scholastic language and that came long after the roman patristic period.

[@stmark4181]

So BEFORE ARIUS, who else taught that there is ONLY ONE GOD? 3:11 WHERE did Arius get his ideas from?

[@SnoopyDoofie]

History also records that once the council of Nicaea formulated their doctrine, anyone who taught against it would be either executed or exiled. That just goes to show that those men were never inspired by God but by demonic forces.

[@theStashSmash]

That's not true

[@nedeenphillips6441]

@@theStashSmash it is

[@marilynboyd6641]

Everything discussed here is based on the ideas of Isis, Osiris and Horus which the Greeks and Romans translated to God, Jesus, Mary, and eventually the Holy Spirit. Please read the true history of Alkebulan.

[@Altair1904]

Except every scholar says you are a clown

[@kumaradityaartsggr0503]

upload a video on Hinduism.... how it began and all....

[@amaledward2147]

You still worshiping Stones? Bruhhhhh

[@bpokhrel2210]

zack kaka 9 months ago Arius and his followers where the true Buddhists

[@skyeanthony3473]

Buddhist followed the Aryan path. After WW2 it became known as the 8 fold path

[@kiwihans100]

mm! Only problem is that true Buddism doesnt claim to be a religion! Arius did believe in God.

[@violalohsen1755]

It’s “filioque,” not “filoque.” “Folio” is Latin for Son, not “filo.”

[@aleksanderblinn4492]

Interview with Jesus, Disciples, and Paul aka Saul of Tarsus a pharisee ◑ To Jesus: who are you ?? “I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” John 8:40 ◑ To the Disciples: who is Jesus? “Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” Acts 2:22 ◑ To the people: who is Jesus ?? “He was a prophet who did powerful miracles, and he was a mighty teacher in the eyes of God and all the people.” Luke 24:19 ◑ To Paul: who is Jesus ?? “Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.” Colossians 2:9 To Jesus: what do you teach ?? “‘I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.’ For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners.” “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:32 ◑ To the Disciples: what did Jesus taught?? “Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away.” Acts 3:19 ◑ To Paul: what did Jesus teach?? “Christ died for our sins” 1 Corinthians 15:3 ◑ To Jesus: to whom you were sent ?? “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” Matthew 15:24 ◑ To the Disciples: what Jesus instructed ?? “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.” Matthew 10:6 ◑ To Paul: Why did you go to the Gentiles ?? “It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.” Romans 15:20 ◑ to Paul: do you mean the Disciples?? “I don’t consider myself inferior in any way to these “super apostles” who teach such things. I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.” 2 Corinthians 11:6 ◑ To Jesus: did you came to abolish the law ?? “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. “Matt. 5:17,18 ◑ To Paul: what do you say about that?? “Jesus abolished in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.” Eph. 2:15 “Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.” Rom. 10:4 ◑ To the Disciples: Is man Justified by faith alone?? “man is justified by works and not by faith alone.” James 2:24 ◑ To Paul: what do you say about that ?? “man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” Romans 3:28 ◑ To Paul: so you contradict the disciples of Jesus ?? “When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.” Galatians 2:11 ◑ To Paul: so what do you say about their teachings ?? “If we or an angel from heaven preach any other Gospel to you than what we (Paul and his disciples) have preached to you let him be a curse ” Gal 1:8 ◑ To Paul: why do you say that?? “all those in Asia have turned away from me” 2 Tim. 1:15 ◑to the Disciples: did you rejected Paul?? “When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join us, but we were all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple.” Acts 9:26 result: Paul is a corrupter of Jesus' message

[@shaaziyanaaz1480]

Exactly,this is what we Muslims are trying to tell our Christian Friends but they keep Rejecting it

[@francisnayak5523]

Learn with ful enthusiasm and forever.

[@mcmxli-by1tj]

shouldn't that be filioque, not filoque?

[@kenirawadi4689]

Arian was one of few Christian who could think rationally. A son is always after the father. Normal logic will agree with this. Therefore, he got many followers.

[@cathyclark5102]

(correction) Arius was from Libya and Athanasius was from Alexandria, Egypt

[@c_turtle]

I had to do a search about Arius of Alexandria because I thought it was "Aryanism". Quite different!

[@kiwihans100]

JAMES 3;13-18 Shows clearly that 'where there is contention. argueing, disorder e.t.c' there is not the 'wisdom from above'. Nicea contrasts drastically with the first christian council held in Jerusalem in 49ad where the apostles & older men" decided "unanimously" on the matter under discussion! God & Jesus would never have blessed such a departure from the early christians monotheism especially since the presiding arbiter was none other than the emperor of the very pagan & cruel nation that killed our Lord! Shame!

[@kiwihans100]

@Otuso All denominations, churches, sects, groups that claim to be 'Christian' are 'dividing the Christ' ( see 1 Cor 13 ).

[@blueskyscubanut]

We’re talking about the Egyptian influence for the trinity of The Father Osiris, The Mother Isis and The Son Horus, right? We finish our prayers with, 'Amen' as in 'Amen Ra', the Egyptian god Ra.

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

Your comparison is false. 50,000 years ago the first religions we were started. They were pagan and believed in many Gods. With your logic, believing in a God must be pagan. 10,000 years ago, the Persians wete the first to believe in one GOD and called their religion Zoroastrianism. C.3,000 BC, Judaism began. Therefore Monotheism is pagan. If the Trinity is pagan, the New testament is pagan.

[@blueskyscubanut]

@@Episcopalianacolyte Believing in God must be pagan... I respect that logic... I therefore, must be pagan...

[@preapple]

The war between the Arians and the Catholics ended badly for the Arians.But the Church didn’t burn heretics back then. Rather, they exiled them all to the sands of what is now Saudi Arabia.

[@jimmypellas5937]

Very interesting presentation. It does get complicated doesn't it. Semantics do take a dominant role up until the present day, the result being a rigid doctrine that in effect shows that any grass roots movement including Christianity gets swallowed up by the establishment, corrupted and then persecutes 'the other'

[@Altair1904]

With the difference that we believe the Spirit ultimately protects the church and that’s why all the councils decisions are in line with the most coherent reading of the Bible and church tradition

[@jimmypellas5937]

@@Altair1904 according to your specific viewpoints of course

[@Altair1904]

@@jimmypellas5937 and Biblical revelation and the belief of the church since the very beginning. Everything else is a novel take from people not inspired who do not hold apostolic succession so their opinion is worth less than the dispensable in my bathroom

[@jimmypellas5937]

@@Altair1904 I respect your dogma and rigid faith.That is your belief...and you are entitled to it. ......

[@Altair1904]

@@jimmypellas5937 Except those are grounded in historical and metaphysical facts so it's not blind faith like yours

[@MoiLiberty]

The earliest Christians, the Church Apostolic fathers learned from Jesus through; they established the Nicene Creed at Constantine One in 335-330 There was one church. Then 800s, Niece Christians are known as Orthodox Christian Church. Why be Catholic when they changed the Nicene in the 00Creed that was established by the church fathers in 325.

[@rosangapachuau7841]

The Father is greater than the Son. But that doesn't mean the Son is lesser nor weaker than the Father. The Father doesn't envy the Son when he is blessed. Instead he appreciates the Son for the glory of the Son is also his glory. No one goes through the Father except through the Son. Everything is done through the Son. In the beginning there is a word. That word was with the Father from the very beginning. All the things that are made in this world was made through the Word.

[@blusheep2]

Why do people think that a Creed written in 300 AD have any bearing on what I believe now. I believe what I see in the Bible period. I may see the creeds as a summation of some things that I believe but I am not living in an age when the Bible is hidden to me. I can read about it myself and come to my own conclusions.

[@BrownistKidUKnow]

Because you believe in what the churches told you, if you didn't, you would be a Unitarian Christian observing Torah

[@blusheep2]

@@BrownistKidUKnow Did you not read what I wrote. I interpret scripture for myself. Granted, I am influenced by my peers, therefore the church, but I am not a lemming. If we are honest, we are all influenced by the groups we choose to associate with. The Unitarian Church is no exception. I really don't know much about the Unitarian Church but what I have seen from it does not put it in high regard with me. It appears to just be a liberal church that is more interested in defining God through looking in the mirror than through looking at scripture. No offense, but that is my impression.

[@BrownistKidUKnow]

@@blusheep2 oh I hate those liberal churches. I follow no church, call no man my father, no master before my God. There are "Unitarian" Churches that are actually universalist, they just use the name Unitarian. I just try to follow scripture, and study early Christianity to develop pure Christianity, no dogma or paganism to distract me. I was raised SDA, there's alot of dogma I had to unlearn just to be here today. Like they have dumb rules like no caffeine or meat, JESUS PREPARED FISH, I don't need Ellen G. White, I need JESUS THE MESSIAH.

[@shaynefowley5689]

Then you, like myself, are condemned as heretics. Embrace the religious minority distinction.

[@ammarahmed6432]

Guys I don't want to sound rude. But in the Bible God says that he's not the author of confusion. And since Constantine you guys have been nothing but confused. Which logically means the scripture and the your religion has been tempered with. It's a logical outcome you can't hide from the fact. Now if the message is tempered with, what should God do? His next step has to be to send a new messenger and a preserved holy book with the original message. Now I believe Quran is that preserved scripture in its original language, and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the final messenger and Islam (which means submitting to The One and Only God) is the religion for us all that began with Adam (peace be upon him) and got perfected in the time Muhammad (pbuh). And as a Muslim I love Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and believe in his miraculous birth, I'm at peace, nothing is confusing. As a brother I would ask you guys to study Bible yourself (without the influence of church) and you'll find predictions about the final prophet and then study Quran (just a read, see if it makes sense). Thanks, God bless.

[@jasonreynolds3903]

Arian Controversy @ 1:42

[@juicylmao]

ty

[@elie6769]

Unify Christian. Arius from Egypt. How can son if father before him doesn't make sense they want themselves to be gods. Politics. They exile him

[@utherlightbringer3868]

Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:" dont fall into heresy.. Jesus is One with Father and Executioner of Father's Will as is Holy Spirit in Both of Them

[@annanarisia8688]

How does this affect the Christian church today?

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

Well, not much because most Christians don't know the slightest thing about Church History. Trinitarianism won out over Arianism; and so almost all modern Christians are Trinitarianists. As the saying goes, "History is written by the victors."

[@yakovmatityahu]

@@BlGGESTBROTHER Trinity is Biblical and preached by Jesus.

[@yakovmatityahu]

We accept Council of Nicea as Biblical.

[@slavhondacivicsi]

2:08 read John 1:1

[@jotesoft]

Arians were basically Muslims who has prophet as Jesus Christ (pbuh)

[@amaledward2147]

Well Muhammed was a child molester. Arias never did that

[@deeveevideos]

Imagine if you based your whole religion on a incorrect translation of a word. Lol you know who I'm talking about

[@Altair1904]

Monogenes? Except the Church Fathers are being vindicated as even current translators like the ESV are pushing to update to Only-Begotten

[@JasonJacksonJames]

Arius was right

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

As an atheist I'll just say that the Church should have sided with Arius; as the doctrine of the trinity is illogical and hurts their cause.

[@amaledward2147]

Nope. Its only illogical to idiots. Their brain cell can’t comprehend it. We don’t side with heretics

[@VictorJenks]

It reads “If the Father”……. Big notice “If”? We only see what we’ve been given to see . It’s all been redacted with a burning of the books .

[@sulongenjop7436]

Nicean Creed is more to glorify the Trinity: God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three persons of God in respect to Jesus calling God as Father and God calling Jesus as Son.

[@slacker2747]

Arius was holding on to the true monotheism and teaching of Jesus that Jesus was not Devine but was just a prophet. Fanatics had to gather later and then accept the idea of Jesus being God. This is messed up. Seems like Christianity today is the result of 1000 of people after Jesus than Jesus himself. Hear O Israel, Your lord God is one!

[@reyansingh8345]

Facts bro,and now these nicean Christians are really out here calling monotheistic Christians "heretic" lol feels bad

[@WILLIAN_1424]

@@reyansingh8345 and if you think about it, if it wasn't for the council of Nicea, Islam wouldn't have existed (thats because the muslims also bellieve tha Jesus was just god's prophet), preventing further schisms betwen the abrahamic relligions and christianity itself.

[@slacker2747]

@Joshua S ✝ Ain't sure why are you very selective in choosing your verse to proof Jesus's divinity. There are many evidence across the Bible that Jesus was a prophet who came to proclaim the message of One God. 1. John 14:28 The Father is greater than I. This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God. 2. Matthew 26:39 My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will. Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will. 3. John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent. 4. John 5:30 By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me. Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.” 5. John 5:19 The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also. Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God. 6. Mark 10:18 Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone. Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God. 7. Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only. Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows. 8. Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven. He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!” 9. Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? Inconceivable if he is God the Creator. 10. John 17:21-23 . . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

[@yakovmatityahu]

Read John chapter 1

[@GopnikVlad]

Ive never understood how Protestants ignore the Creed.

[@Altair1904]

Because they are Bible butchers

[@gideonsings]

Can we say that Arius was in total disagreement of the incarnation of Jesus? I think that's why the Nicene Creed was created. It was a matter of debate because they wanted to create the character of Jesus as a idol for worship under one world religion. That's what Arius was in total disagreement about. Remember he was from Alexandria... Egypt where the true essence of where the Christ story was borrowed.

[@circleofattention6021]

The father came before the son... 🤯!!! These Ancient Christians were smart cookies!

[@thrushman]

The council of Nicaea was a dog and pony show put on by Constantine and those bishops who supported the thesis that the Father and Son are of the same substance, and that the Son and Father are both fully God. Like Ptolemy 1, Constantine was trying to unite an empire under his rule and they both arrived at the same conclusion to use religion to do this. Ptolemy 1 created the man/god Serapis and the Cult of Serapis, while Constantine and those bishops seeking the power and influence of the Emperor created a man/sungod Jesus and the pagan religion of Christianity. Have you ever wondered why only 300 of the 1800 bishops, supposedly invited to the council with all expenses paid, bothered to show up? Did they have something better to do at that time or were the vast majority of bishops not holding the same view as Constantine and those 300 bishops who did show. So only 1/6 of the bishops set the tone for all of Christianity. You have to wonder how many of those 5/6 were excommunicated or wound up dead, or just went along to get along? There's a lot of things that we do not learn about history, because history is written by the victors. In the case of Christianity it is written by those bishops who sought power and the Emperor who gave it to them. No matter how you view it, it goes without question, the religion of Christianity came about through the syncretizing of pagan beliefs and holidays into a Western Philosophy stylized movement, based on the teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament. Over the course of history Christianity canonized it's own New Testament, selecting writings that supported it's doctrines and the dogma it taught.

[@eliasabourjeily999]

you are 100% right t was all struggle for power that's why mainstream Christianity is not as holy as it might seems in my opinion, as it was made fit paganism.

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

None of that is accurate. Research the Creed and the scriptures. All of it comes from the bible. It comes from an Atheist author who has a bias against religion. Look at his biography.

[@anthemmakersmusic]

Alexandria has other names... Heliopolis and other Khemetic names as well. Please add corrections. Thanks

[@coldonylum]

Useful if u started from the 1st century. The doctrine of trinity was created around 200 years after Jesus' death. No one thought Jesus was Almighty God before then

[@fredrolinners8903]

Your assertion is wrong. Thomas knew Jesus is God (John 20:28).

[@utherlightbringer3868]

You are like Arius didn't read bible and then talking nonsense.. Jesus IS as equal confirmed literally in Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:" Bro He literally didnt read first chapter of the first book of Bible lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. How did he even had any authority..

[@yasirhayat3341]

Heritage of proto aryans and noble warriors in Central Europe in this theory aryans and arain have same ancestors it’s true or not?

[@jrhermosura4600]

no

[@yasirhayat3341]

Both have same dna same name same culture same origin issues each and every thing is same

[@yasirhayat3341]

Dani Al haha 😂 you need to complete your study first ok real word is ari aria not arya and nazis install aryan word in history

[@panzer123ism]

@@yasirhayat3341 this video is about Arians as in followers of Arius

[@yasirhayat3341]

Daniel Thomas am also talking about Arian arains not aryans

[@richbattaglia5350]

It would add to the divine right of kings and even more so the authority of the Early Church by conflating Yeshuah ha Nosri (Jesus of Nazareth) with the absolute divine being of God.

[@eti1777]

"Begotten of the Father before all ages" to counter Arianism, but where does that come from?

[@hashamkhan9517]

John verse 1 according to that verse Jesus was with God in form of word and then word became flesh

[@utherlightbringer3868]

@@hashamkhan9517 Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:" Bro Arius literally didnt read first chapter of the first book of Bible lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. How did he even had any authority..

[@utherlightbringer3868]

@@myNameIsNot- yeah pretty much its speculation but they say Jesus is Father's Will aka Word of GoD so how can anyone know Except God and its a bit silly bc no one will ever know ..ppl are nitpicking stuff that doesn't matter all that matters is Jesus message..

[@utherlightbringer3868]

@@myNameIsNot- ppl are arguing about something they will never know and its stupid

[@eliasabourjeily999]

@@hashamkhan9517 nobody mentioned Jesus in the Gospel of John how can you be sure that Jesus was mentioned maybe John is talking about God himself. and overall the bible was rewritten.

[@gerryquinn5578]

We see how much pagan Greek philosophy had triumphed in the Church by the fourth century. Essence./substance etc ist he labguage of Greek philosophy and not the language of scripture.

[@motorhead6763]

Fact: 1john 5:7-8 Trinity was admittedly invented by Tertullian and forced into the New Testament and Nicaen creed by Constantine at Nicaen council in 325 ce. He burned alive countless "heretics"(Arians and Jews) who rejected this idolatry insertion . He also criminalized Judaism by death penalty for teaching Torah or ordaining rabbi s. In Roman Church archives it shows he killed more people as heretics in roman coliseums than the pagan roman s did. Look up "comma debate,Trinity,Tertullian". שלום

[@shaynefowley5689]

Thank you for clarifying. Great point.

[@theyeticlutch3486]

Interesting, never heard that before

[@faithfultheology]

I think trinity is the heresy

[@paulgauguin7730]

@@faithfultheology because you are hetetic.

[@faithfultheology]

@@paulgauguin7730 maybe so

[@utherlightbringer3868]

I guess Arius didn't read genesis 1:26 KEKW

[@utherlightbringer3868]

@@myNameIsNot- Well read it and you will know..GoD literally talks about Himself in Plural.. Proof of Triune GoD

[@utherlightbringer3868]

@@myNameIsNot- What you mean?

[@utherlightbringer3868]

@@myNameIsNot- Why would GoD want to be talked in plural unless there are multiple persons

[@takber92]

If Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, who is running the world Jesus or God? Who is making the decisions?

[@yakovmatityahu]

Lot of Heretics in Comment section...i am proud and Thankful to God for revealing the truth of the scriptures to me...Jesus is son of God/word of God and only through believing on sacrifice on the cross of Jesus and his ressurection..salvation and eternal life to humans is possible...

[@MusicLover-ti6zo]

From the beginning the Catholic Church was and is a powerful political organization.

[@liamconverse8950]

No that's not true it existed in defiance of the political organizations for a good three hundred years and which time many Christians were persecuted and executed

[@indviduation]

@@liamconverse8950 This is an exaggeration. Do you know how much of Rome controlled? North Africa, the Mediterranean, and parts of Great Brittan. The majority of Christians were not being persecuted or executed.

[@liamconverse8950]

@@indviduation yes the Roman Empire controlled a lot of territory and there were Roman emperors that openly called for the execution of Catholics

[@indviduation]

@@liamconverse8950 source?

[@liamconverse8950]

@@indviduation just look up Nero and other emporers from that time it's well documented

[@Altair1904]

The only correction I would make is that there were not “sects”. There was the orthodox church and then heretics like Arius would come out from time to time

[@user-cg2tw8pw7j]

Constantine: The heretic and the heretic speak 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Altair1904]

@@user-cg2tw8pw7j Constantine was an Aries symphatizer correct. His children were pagans and aggressively anti-Orthodox

[@user-cg2tw8pw7j]

@@Altair1904 Constantine was a Nestorian Christian, and his son spread Nestorian Christianity in Europe and turned the pagan Europeans into Nestorian Christians.

[@Altair1904]

@@user-cg2tw8pw7j I don’t think you know what’s Nestorianism dude. Constantine died well before Nestorius was born

[@user-cg2tw8pw7j]

@@Altair1904 Constantine and Santa Claus: What?

[@CaravanseraiSouthValley]

So many people here arguing over the numbers of angels that can dance upon the tip of a pin.

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

Just sit back and enjoy the show, my friend.

[@MainPointMinistries]

According to the Nicene Creed, the Father really isn't a father. He's more of a mystical philosophical father, since he really didn't proceed the son. Makes total sense. I think? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@sadvenom7826]

This is an answer no catholic has been able to contest. It's a paradox, if jesus is the son, but has always existed and is God, then he isn't really a son is he...

[@ttterg6152]

Because that is how we understand it. The Son is called a son because He follows The Father’s will. It is a relation we have made an analogy of based on the one a father and son have

[@sadvenom7826]

@@ttterg6152 how can jesus follow God if by the nicean creed he is God? Following would imply that he could have a separate will from God, and he did when he asked God "why have you foresaken me".

[@ttterg6152]

@@sadvenom7826 Nicene* He isn’t *following* God in traditional sense, but doing His function according to The Father, who is disntict from The Son. The whole point of the nicene creed is that we do not understand God in full, but we need to avoud discrediting Him

[@ttterg6152]

@@sadvenom7826 “My God my God why have you forsaken me” Jesus is quoting the Old Testament here. What is your point with it?

[@wmccree88]

The Council of Controlling People..

[@ClosedEyeVisualisations]

Nothing new though really.

[@bashkillszombies]

I'm sure 'wmccree88' would have done it better. Maybe we should all just follow him instead.

[@leekelly1718]

bashpr0mpt maybe stop being a slave searching for a master

[@lynns4426]

Exactly lol

[@eliasabourjeily999]

The truth shall set you free, but they hid it to try enslave humans especially without knowing that they are a failure and the plan of enslaving humanity is falling and falling apart (I do believe that the Ridder of the White Horse is here and he is appearing soon to get rid of the slaves and servants of Satan on Earth)

[@maverickkhan777]

I am Pakhtoon an Arian but also now i am Muslim.

[@Pwnulolumad]

Find salvation through Jesus

[@maverickkhan777]

@@Pwnulolumad jesus is not god he is a man a noble prophet

[@seanp3302]

Jesus is God.

[@maverickkhan777]

@@seanp3302 give me text proof that he is god.

[@maverickkhan777]

@@seanp3302 proof from bible or from any source that Jesus is god

[@rolandgerard6064]

Well it's well known that the catholics have added a lot of pagan beliefs into christianity. It's a chance that nowadays other nominations have studied and corrected many dogma's.

[@Altair1904]

Except that scholars would laugh at you. Do you understand that the entirety of Christian understanding of God is already in the Old Testament, right?

[@yasirhayat3341]

Who are arain most of the people says arain are not aryans but some are says arain are real aryans plz guide me about it but the authentic prove plz

[@maverickkhan777]

Present pakhtoons and Arian is caste of Middle Europe

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

This has nothing to do with the Indo-Iranian concept of "Aryans". The guys name was Arian, which just happens to be similar to the word "Aryan".

[@yassine073t]

They believe in One God but He has a Son of the same Essence so you believe in two Gods. You are either a polytheist or a monotheist there is no in between.

[@yakovmatityahu]

Believing in father and the son who are persons of God head...its Biblical and preached and taught well in the Bible...

[@yakovmatityahu]

The polytheism of Muhammed and islam is a totally baselesss false religion

[@yassine073t]

So if you are worshipping three different persons with Godly Essence that means you are a polytheist who believes and worships three different gods. There is no such thing in the religion of the prophets of God.

[@yassine073t]

@@yakovmatityahu Name one form of polytheism in Islam? There is none.

[@yakovmatityahu]

@@yassine073t read the first chapter of the Bible....God his word and his spirit are clearly mentioned there...it clearly shows that God has three distinct natures...his word and his spirit are God...we see in the new testament the same thing....all the prophets and Jesus son of God preached Trinity.

[@robertbach9376]

This English translation of the Creed is really awkward. It's not wrong, just sounds wierd

[@kiwihans100]

Of course its wrong! why? Because its an invention of men! It is nowhere found in the Bible!

[@malikrahim-ei1vd]

This was petty because it is untrue. That was not what the argument was about. (hidden history) Here is the definition of Arianism, (Christian heresy that declared that Christ is not truly divine but a created being) That is from the dictionary. Key words in the definition are divine and created. If you look up, what divinity is it will tell you a god or goddess. Not true. Divinity simply means to be human. Once the egg is split (DIVIDE) you will become human, and your cells keep dividing as long as you are alive. That is what makes you divine. (that is what Arius Knew) Therefore saying the Christ was not human but a creature made by hands of man. Therefore, at a later council they had to give that creature the theotokos to represent divinity. Not here for debate if you don't agree then so be it. This is for the honor roll students who have the ability to think.

[@ThePainkilla6]

The more I learn about the Nicaean creed the more I’m convinced that the trinity is false doctrine. It’s common knowledge by now that Greek philosophy had heavily influenced the Christian doctrines that were given to us by the apostles. And now a lot of Christians have fallen victim to false doctrine, leading to vain worship. Sad to see the pure doctrine of Christ be tainted by man.

[@ThePainkilla6]

@kyara ksf one of the greatest examples is the idea of essence and substance. This was a concept that Plato and Aristotle had taught often which was later introduced and debated by Christians. Essence, being the form or immaterial characteristics, and substance, being the physical make-up or material side. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas were most known for combining philosophy with Christianity. These ideas lead to the institutionalized implementation of the idea of the Trinity. Now, most Christians have accepted the idea of the trinity without realizing that it was canonized because of debate and voting, and that early Christians recognized the distinct difference between God the Father and Jesus Christ. To them (the early Christians) God the Father’s relationship with His Son was comparable to that of how we understand parental relationships today.

[@timarnett672]

PORTION OF LETTER TO EUSEBIUS, WRITTEN BY ARIUS Since Eusebius, your brother in Caesarea, and Theodotus, and Paulinus, and Athanasius, and Gregory, and Aetius and all those in the East say that God pre-exists the Son without a beginning, they have been condemned, except for Philogonius and Hellenicus and Macarius, unlearned heretics some of whom say that the Son was “spewed out”, others that he was an “emanation”, still others that he was “jointly unbegotten.” We are not able to listen to these kinds of impieties, even if the heretics threaten us with ten thousand deaths. But what do we say and think and what have we previously taught and do we presently teach? - that the Son is not unbegotten, nor a part of an unbegotten entity in any way, nor from anything in existence, but that HE is subsisting in will and intention before time and before the ages, full God, the only-begotten, unchangeable. Before HE was begotten, or created, or defined, or established, HE did not exist. For HE was not unbegotten. But we are persecuted because we have said the Son has a beginning but God has no beginning. We are persecuted because of that and for saying HE came from non-being. But we said this since HE is not a portion of God nor of anything in existence. That is why we are persecuted; you know the rest. PHILIPP VAN LIMBORCH, THE HISTORY OF THE INQUISITION PAGE 22 WROTE THE FOLLOWING, “THE OCCASION OF THE ARIAN CONTROVERSY WAS THIS - ALEXANDER (BISHOP OF ALEXANDRIA), SPEAKING IN A VERY WARM MANNER CONCERNING THE TRINITY, BEFORE THE PRESBYTERS AND THE CLERGY OF HIS CHURCH, AFFIRMED THERE WAS A UNITY IN THE TRINITY, AND PARTICULARLY THAT THE SON WAS CO-ETERNAL AND CONSUBSTANTIAL, AND OF THE SAME DIGNITY WITH THE FATHER. ARIUS OPPOSED HIM IN THIS MANNER; “IF THE FATHER BEGAT THE SON, HE WHO IS BEGOTTEN MUST HAVE A BEGINNING OF HIS EXISTENCE AND FROM HENCE, SAY HE, ‘TIS MANIFEST THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE WAS NOT”. ALSO FROM THE SAME BOOK WE READ, AND YET NOTWITHSTANDING ALL THESE THINGS, WHEN ALEXANDER GIVES AN ACCOUNT OF THE PRINCIPLES OF ‘ARIUS’ TO THE BISHOPS, HE REPRESENTS THEM IN ALL THE CONSEQUENCES HE THOUGHT FIT TO DRAW FROM THEM, AND CHARGES HIM (ARIUS) WITH HOLDING, THAT THE SON WAS MADE LIKE EVERY OTHER CREATURE ABSOLUTELY OUT OF NOTHING AND THAT THEREFORE HIS NATURE WAS MUTABLE AND SUSCEPTIVE EQUALLY OF VIRTUE AND VICE, WITH MANY OTHER INSIDIOUS AND UNSCRIPTURAL DOCTRINES, WHICH ARIUS PLAINLY APPEARS NOT TO HAVE MAINTAINED OR TAUGHT” (ibid, PAGE 25). AS A STATEMENT OF FAITH (IN RESPONSE TO THE EMPEROR CONSTANTINE), HE SAID, “WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, AND IN HIS SON, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHO PROCEEDED FROM HIM BEFORE ALL AGES, BEING GOD THE WORD, BY WHOM ALL THINGS WERE MADE, WHETHER THINGS IN HEAVEN OR THINGS ON EARTH”. LIMBORCH REPLIES THUS, “HIS (ARIUS) AFFIRMING THAT THE SON HAD A BEGINNING WAS ONLY SAYING, THAT HE WAS IN THE WHOLE OF HIS EXISTENCE FROM THE FATHER AS THE ORIGIN AND FOUNTAIN OF HIS BEING AND DEITY, AND NOT ANY DENIAL OF HIS BEING FROM BEFORE ALL TIMES AND AGES OR HIS BEING COMPLETELY GOD HIMSELF OR HIS BEING PRODUCED AFTER A MORE EXCELLENT MANNER THAN THE CREATURES”. (ibid, PAGE 24).

[@utherlightbringer3868]

Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:" Bro Arius literally didnt read first chapter of the first book of Bible lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. How did he even had any authority..

[@houssameddinekourchi2495]

Arians have the same belief as muslims today !! the Arian sect in christianity is the same as islam they both rejected the concept of trinity and believed jesus to be the prophet of God to the people and also believed in the oneness of God just like muslims today this sect was persecuted by the other christian trinity believing sects

[@theuncreatedlight4717]

Arians believe Jesus pre-existed, as the Logos, basically the highest created being, a super angel if you will, the firstborn of all creation. Muslims believe Jesus was just a man, a great prophet for sure, but just a man.

[@abdusshakoorsaafir3985]

Arius is pointing out simple logic.

[@yehoshuamelech7529]

You misunderstand modal logic and metaphysics... Otherwise yes, you could say such a thing... But not all things are as simplistic as we humans would often like to pretend.

[@dandugo2020]

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one being (Yahweh, in English versions Yahweh is normally just replaced with God but this does not do justice to the Hebrew translations of the old testament) but different aspects of the same being. To simplify, Yahweh is so great, powerful, and loving to us that He divided Himself into 3 persons as a grace to us because we are incapable of sustaining the fullness of God. The Father is the genesis of all creation because He the brains/though of Yahweh, the Holy Spirit is the energy or presence of Yahweh, and the Son (most common occurrence in the bible is Jesus, God in the flesh) is the voice of God. This is proven by Genesis 1 with the order of creation; the Father is relieved in verse 1 who created the molecules/materials needed for all existence with His thought, verse 2 the Holy Spirit imparts energy needed for all creation with just His presence, and in verse 3 the Son (voice/Word of God) forms the matter and energy together when it says "And God said "Let there be light...". This also further puts understanding on how much John 1:1-18 puts into context that Jesus is the Son of God and not just a prophet or someone with mental issues. From beginning to end the bible is one interwoven and flawless textbook on how to have a relationship with Yahweh. So, Arius at face value may have some logic but a minimal understanding of the complexity of God's grand scheme and His players guide (the bible) quickly debunks his theory.

[@nocompulsioninlove2148]

Arius was Muhammad’s mentor...

[@alosh711]

﴿لَقَد كَفَرَ الَّذينَ قالوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ ثالِثُ ثَلاثَةٍ وَما مِن إِلهٍ إِلّا إِلهٌ واحِدٌ وَإِن لَم يَنتَهوا عَمّا يَقولونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذينَ كَفَروا مِنهُم عَذابٌ أَليمٌ﴾ [Al-Mâ'idah: 73] They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. - Saheeh International ﴿مَا اتَّخَذَ اللَّهُ مِن وَلَدٍ وَما كانَ مَعَهُ مِن إِلهٍ إِذًا لَذَهَبَ كُلُّ إِلهٍ بِما خَلَقَ وَلَعَلا بَعضُهُم عَلى بَعضٍ سُبحانَ اللَّهِ عَمّا يَصِفونَ﴾ [Al-Mu'minûn: 91] Allāh has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have [sought to] overcome others. Exalted is Allāh above what they describe [concerning Him]. - Saheeh International

[@alosh711]

﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [Al-Mâ'idah: 75] The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. - Saheeh International

[@SaintNjuguna]

It seems that Arianism prepared the way of Islam, it may be the apostasy that came before the beast (spoken of by Paul) it's a blasphemous doctrine that defies divinity of Jesus(and of course the Holy Spirit). making Him unable to become a Savior of the world and not worthy to seat at judgment seat on The Great White Throne judgement., even in Revelation, John hears hears the praise in heaven saying "To Him who sits on the throne(God the Father) and unto the Lamb(Jesus) be blessing and power and honor and glory forever."