Ariel Pink and Negative XP on Anthony Fantano and Music Critics

[@popdanish4969]

If Ariel wasn’t cancelled negative xp would probly hate his guts and call his music trash so this is gold

[@surplusrevenge2013]

well negative XP is absolute trash especially in comparison to someone like Ariel

[@popdanish4969]

@@surplusrevenge2013 yea it's not even close lmao

[@Johndoe22120]

Why?

[@popdanish4969]

@@Johndoe22120 cus he thinks if ur a real artist by any metric u have to be a liberal Hollywood shill or something. N he hates any kind of "weird" music cus he's an uncultured sheltered child

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

​@@surplusrevenge2013Ariel is ok

[@JonnyHorseman]

Friendly reminder that Fantano likes WAP unironically

[@AbrasiousProductions]

I never liked that jerk.. he's basically the moviebob of music critics.

[@julianneedsblood7091]

Really!? I bet he does. He might know music but he is very fucking bias when reviewing music and people.

[@BeatsBySelim26]

He gave My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy a 6

[@Genghisganjj]

​@BeatsBySelim26 I would've gave it a lower score kanye sucks that's one thing he's right about

[@JimmyJames10-k7v]

cry

[@commentaccount2750]

I can’t imagine evaluating music on any basis other than how much I enjoy the music itself. I don’t know what music artists I listen to think about politics, nor do I care.

[@sirwilczek1813]

You can very much evaluate music on technical skill of the musicians and the general composition and such

[@commentaccount2750]

@@sirwilczek1813 I was referring to caring about musicians’ personal political opinions.

[@Losing-it.]

When I read this comment I realised that Idk why I'm watching this video since I never cared about what fantano does and music reviews in general. With that said I think Ariel is just a silly bizarre guy with a very funny view of reality and that translates into his music rather well.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Judge it off of whether or not it is life affirming or life denying

[@bobmacabre6873]

Pitchfork is positive affirmations for aging hipsters...

[@フォグマシン]

Ariel Pink is an aged hipster gone off the rails son

[@niklashegg]

@@フォグマシン getting off the rails from that society is for the better

[@IHitANazi]

He's so far above most people's heads he's like the ceiling to them.

[@grungepants]

Ariel Pink isnt trying to be hip so he'll never be a vicitm of age. His music and style is based on being different and obscure and not fitting in.

[@q____o.O_________D]

friendly reminder, know when to leave L.A.

[@andross7032]

Thank you for highlighting Ariel Pink. He’s one of the most underrated artists out there

[@meciocio]

He's one of the most recognizable names in indie pop and basically created a new subgenre of pop. How is Ariele "one of the most underrated" exactly??

[@metalyuncle]

@@meciocioyou can be popular and underrated

[@meciocio]

@@metalyuncle I don't see how. He's rated exactly where he's supposed to be.

[@yamatocannon1]

ariel is kind of dating himself saying 27 year olds read pitchfork to feel young lmao

[@askl23]

A while back there was an interview where he railed against people he thought were ruining music and brought up…Alanis Morissette.

[@yamatocannon1]

@@askl23 Alanis Morissette is such a weird artist to choose too. You could very easily find worse pop artists from the early 2000s.

[@niklashegg]

No way, he’s old3r?

[@Dielawn69]

​@@yamatocannon1More like mid 90s. But Jagged little pill is a soccer mom classic

[@greatscott369]

Fantano proved his opinion isn't based on the quality of the record.

[@TechnoAdamGuy]

On one sense I see where Ariel is coming from and I don’t exactly agree with Anthony changing his whole perspective on an artist he clearly used to love merely cause of differing political views, but on the other, I think it’s kind of corny when I see an artist negatively giving into other people on music sites critiquing their music in a way where they seem to read it like a hundred times

[@readein]

Ariel is definitely confusing the art with the artist. Fantano doesn't like Ariel as a person, but that doesn't mean his opinion on his music is invalid either

[@karebushmarebu233]

What do u even mean though? Anthony hasn’t changed his opinions on Ariel’s art at all in anyway, he just critiques him as a person and the things he says outside of his music, but he didn’t retroactively change his opinion on Ariel’s music so Anthony hasn’t done anything wrong I love Ariel’s music but he seems like such a dickhead as a person

[@TechnoAdamGuy]

@@karebushmarebu233 oh I’m not saying he isn’t a dickhead (he is). I’m just saying that it’s weird that Fantano isn’t gonna review his music (he didn’t review his latest album) even though he reviewed Kanye even after he supported Trump

[@greatscott369]

Well it matters, a music critic can decide whether or not your album sells

[@Revealingstorm.]

@@TechnoAdamGuy yeah I like Fantano but the dude is a gigantic hypocrite

[@TheRollthedice]

We miss the ariel`

[@Luke_Segovia]

Seeing fantanos interactions with spider gang and negative XP is so odd and is probly a sign that at some point he will be phased out

[@purest_evil]

He is, the needledrop ain't shit

[@Ballcheese289]

Anthony Fantano rates music with a strange rigid academic objectivity when music taste is incredibly subjective and defined by the wiring in your brain, culture and what you grew up listening to. Spotify published some research that lead credence to the idea that the music you listened to as teen influences what you like as an adult. I n some parallel universe where he's a classical music snob he would be shitting on anything modern, and influencing those who do listen modern music to force themselves to listen to something they don't like to fit in with what's "right". also he's bald and drinks soylent

[@lachlank.8270]

You had me at bald

[@kelechi_77]

The worst part is that, let's say you just want to be in tune with his taste, and what he likes. You can't even do that, he is a complete hypocrite and will say stuff in the past, and go against what he said years later about similar albums. Like what he did taking down Travis Scott for associating with Kanye, but then when JPEGMAFIA began collabing with him, he started acting like it wasn't that big of a deal. It just makes me wonder why people even watch him in the first place. His reviews are very lacklustre and never really provide an actual feel or exploration of any album he ever talks about. You never come out seeing it in a new light or learning about a bunch of different things. It's always just a couple music nerd buzzwords to look like you know what you are talking about and then a numerical rating

[@EHISH]

Shooter is HUGE

[@auggiemain]

Well I bet he's got something huge

[@itounobue]

@@auggiemain ?

[@auggiemain]

@@itounobue I said what I said

[@NoName-fo7mz]

Imagine paying attention to Fantano unironically😂 holy shit

[@jœyBagg]

lmaooo ariel pink and negative xp on the same couch thats amazing

[@readein]

Negative xp saying critics are detrimental and then saying everyone is a critic is cringe af. What he really means is that everyone should judge music subjectively (which is good), but to also not share those opinions publicly as to not influence others. Any music critic is bombarded with just as much backlash as they are praise for their takes. Critics rarely change someone's opinion, but rather allow them to see it through someone else's eyes or to hear an analysis they might've not thought of. I get that the interviewer wanted this clip since he asked the question right as Ariel was answering a completely unrelated question, but damn dude. He knew exactly how this question would go considering Negative xp and Ariel's history with responding to critics. Also does Ariel realize that someone can like their music, but also later not like them as a person? No one is required to continue consuming your art if you're a twat. Textbook circlejerk jfc

[@horselovercock6835]

"Also does Ariel realize that someone can like their music, but also later not like them as a person? No one is required to continue consuming your art if you're a twat." Well thats just an unfortunate absurdity you have expressed here

[@readein]

@@horselovercock6835 consuming and liking are two different things. Whether someone wants to continue to support an artist is completely up to them

[@VashTheDamnFiend]

@@horselovercock6835 especially when Ariel was referring to a guy who supposedly is a music reviewer for a career

[@horselovercock6835]

@@VashTheDamnFiend A lot of reviewers are extremely biased, there was a metal critic who gave a deathspell omega album 1/5 because of nazi rumors, which were ultimately false

[@dantekiwi7926]

@@horselovercock6835 your job as a spectator is to decide if a critic does well his job, if a critic is biased then he is a bad critic

[@michaeljordaniii2039]

There’s no way the guys around Ariel have read Lester bangs lol

[@oldkingcoleyounger]

Lester was actually an artist In own write.For example doing a breath taking review of the second count five album which never even existed.That’s the kind of thing that separates him your average joe critic,originality etc…

[@delaybrainsshriver]

Never believe the hype. I see more heat online about ariel pink being cancelled than current school shootings going on. What a broken culture we live in today. I still support his art/music totally but i dont know him personally so I'm not going to judge his ideals, livelihood, etc.

[@great567]

I think critism is important especially in a case we're the critic might highlight a style has been ripped off or better, did something novel.

[@lucristianx]

My favorite band in the whole world and arguable one of the best, Smashing Pumpkins. Never once got credit for their influence on the industry and what a juggernaut they still are. Music isn't supposed to be safe!

[@popdanish4969]

Never once? They’re well respected what r u on

[@heelstevenmaggle5615]

They’re the safest pop shit in the world what are you talking about!?

[@lucristianx]

@@heelstevenmaggle5615 listen to the song “Hooray”! And come back

[@jarjar1715]

The Smashing Pumpkins were one of the most iconic alternative rock bands in the 90’s. What are you on about?

[@lucristianx]

@@jarjar1715 They are still one of the top bands today. And are still ostracized. Billy said he was second to none other than Kurt Cobain. People took offense. So yea they’re underrated.

[@vegetahumbled]

Are y’all going to have negative xp back on?

[@erikgwk]

Fantano talking trash to creative genius as Bladee and James Ferraro. Dont take him too seriously

[@Lol-mi2bf]

Bladee and Ferraro are not geniuses in any sense lmao

[@KirkTVOfficial]

Why is every interview about being cancelled..how bout bot ask questions about that and talk about the band and the music

[@MichaVids]

Fantano ain’t god… and the incels that follow him aren’t grown up enough to decide for themselves if they like a certain album or artist. It’s all sad.

[@synthmalicious7541]

Shooter staring down the barrel at his future… a 30 year old man who ruined his own legacy doing embarrassing stunts complaining about ‘27 year olds trying to stay hip’ as if he was any different

[@JoshucaVA]

"If you think what I say is wrong, the only possible cause that I could think of is that you don't have a mind of your own. Anyone who disagrees with me is a sheep, therefore anything that doesn't fit with what I say is invalid. I couldn't possibly be wrong and if you don't support that you're a traitor"

[@vegetahumbled]

Y’all should do a interview for shooter.

[@joshb8976]

One thing I’ve noticed being in my 30’s and trying to discover what the new tides are in music has gotten a little more difficult. You can kinda gauge what kids like these days through tiktok but tbh I’m just not hip and music is for the youth anyways

[@fakeandgay1151]

I just like what I like. I don’t really care what kids are listening to. I like a lot of newer music, I like music that came out when I was a teenager, and I like music that came out before I was born. I don’t look for new music to stay hip and feel young, I look for new music that sounds good to my ears & that I can enjoy.

[@charlespancamo9771]

find private torrent tracker sites for music. That's the way to stay actually hip and fresh and underground. These kids aren't into that stuff, they're into mainstream pop/rap which is often dog S.

[@robertsteinberger5667]

All this ageismshit. Everybody wants to be young including the people on stage, so why shit on that? Why arent people over 30 allowed to go to pitchfork to discover music, does that make pitchfork unhip? And by the way; what do teenagers generally listen to? is that so amazing?

[@charlespancamo9771]

I don't want to be young if means liking their crappy music. I like new hip hop and pop just not their mainstream BS lol Maybe in the 90's you could find teens with wild and diverse taste as being an individual (not just LOOKING like one) was championed back then but nowadays, nah. All clones that listen to the same watered down warmed over mainstream pop-hop crap.

[@redskywalker3374]

Whoever out there voted for massive inflation & gas tripled at the pump etc. , should be cancelled .😊

[@ThisIsntWhatYouExpected]

Because Biden controls that.

[@surfboardjoker6299]

this ariel guy sure loves to talk about himself. only guy who matters is shooter

[@Far592]

you sound like the biggest clown

[@--REGULAR--REGULAR]

Fantano even has fans that have mixed and negative thoughts about albums he likes and dislikes. His fans have torn him apart for liking lil pumps debut album and disliking red hot chilli peppers recent album and so on. Also fantano doesn't turn on anything he's has no problem giving a good or high score to people he thinks are shitty personally or has a different view from his own views. He's not a fan of alot of artist views or personality and has still given them positive reviews. Ariel sounds like anthony all of a sudden doesn't think he's talented and influential. That's not the case. He said he disagrees with your stance on politics which doesn't translate to he hates ariel pinks music wtf. "He can't say my name." Hes either being sarcastic, butthurt or both. It doesn't matter cause he sounds dumb and clueless.

[@Revealingstorm.]

Then why has Fantano basically blacklisted covering Ariel but not other artists like Kanye who have straight up said they like Hitler

[@robertsteinberger5667]

Everybody is a critic, some people just like to hate......wait, being a critic also means appreciating good music and dont forget critics helped Ariel Pink a lot I believe, so you can now piss on them but that is not justified. Was Antony too hard on him because Ariel Pink openly supports the republicans and was present at jan 6? Yes and no. He said it was not a smart thing to do but since when do artists need to be smart? I'd say: stop making sense, Antony, all our music heroes have made stupid decisions at some times of their lives and stupid is just the way you look at it.

[@Alley-Mask]

ariel with the pitchfork comment was kinda corny. who cares what media outlet people tune into. if heathenharvest was still around i would be on there every day but does that make me a dodgy pagan edgelord? no and also no because im black. these 27 year olds with 9-5s help pay your bills too btw ariel lol wtf. that whole comment was super corny

[@somejive2158]

All “journalism” is shit. Why do you even care or read that nonsense? Interpret art for yourself and move on.

[@Alley-Mask]

@@somejive2158 because i did album reviews and interviews with artists for heathen harvest. you say that becausr you cant think of one music journalist that you like and follow. you probably only heard of brooklyn vegan and wasnt around during the blogspot days where people actually articulated their interests in music rather than making random tik toks to songs they like. you think of it how a casual reads a news paper onces a year. some people have similar tastes and understandings to things. its cool to hear their POV on it. stop trying so hard

[@VashTheDamnFiend]

Pitchfork and its readers are corny lol

[@Alley-Mask]

@@VashTheDamnFiend who do you know personally that reads pitchfork to know for a fact its corny?

[@somejive2158]

@@Alley-Mask Oh, so you’re one of them lol makes sense then. Leech and shill.

[@fromgreetings]

Pitchfork is FOX and CNN for music

[@monkeyton5]

cool

[@BarryH90dz]

Saying critic’a don’t matter is just bad as blindly following what a critic says

[@elbowjuice2627]

oh my god is this the right wing rock stars panel

[@littlekidmediaco.2647]

Hello

[@itounobue]

Bye

[@HattieJosh]

All over Fantano not reviewing a song. XP is a crybaby

[@Soundeagle3456]

i love how they both talk through and don't give the girl the chance to speak. i respect them for their assholery. because what is the girl gonna say? just positive bs that is not true. lol