Arizona Off-Grid Community near Snowflake

Arizona's largest off-grid community, Coslor Cove, the second sustainable, cooperative, intentional community created by Philip Gleason's OSR Green, LLC. Philip just closed (yesterday) on the 1,298 acres East of Snowflake, Arizona.
Coslor Cove will be an unincorporated, off-grid community tucked away in northern Navajo County. Here modern families will be able to trade a life of gridlock, utility bills and grocery shopping for a life of self-reliance, fresh food and air, and cooperation with like-minded folks in an agrarian desert paradise.
It's an off-grid farming community that will be home to over 100 homesteads in this online-but-off-grid, self-reliance community. It will be organized legally as an agricultural co-op under Arizona law. Co-ops are nothing new, of course, and some older Arizonans may be familiar with the original Zion’s Cooperative Mercantile Association (ZCMI), which brought early area businesses together to pool their resources. They sold everything Arizona (and Utah) early residents could possibly want at reasonable prices, and became America’s first department store.
Less familiar than ZCMI is the more recent Utah OSR Land Co-op, Utah’s 1st and only non-profit land developer. The unincorporated town of Riverbed Ranch was created by the Utah OSR Land Cooperative, another OSR Green creation. Riverbed Ranch is the original off-grid community created by Gleason for the benefit of co-op members. The purpose of a co-op is to minimize costs, whereas traditional land developers are in business to maximize profits.
Learn More:
Visit our (brand new and unfinished) website: www.CoslorCove...
Visit two of the partners in this non-profit initiative:
AcademyOSR.com
OSRCommunity.com
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[@cw27vid19]

What a nice, friendly video! :-) Thank you for holding a "meet and greet" at the Cedar Hills Senior Center on July 21, 2023. Best wishes for a successful co-op in the El Dorado/Cedar Hills area.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Our pleasure!

[@Peaceful-resistance1]

Welcome to the community. No pre judgement here. Let's hope for the best. Perhaps when your gardens are producing we could all work togetherness on a real honest to goodness farmers market where the goal isnt to rent spaces for $20 a pop, but rather make opportunity to build community together.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

LOVE this idea!

[@libertyforamericanow]

I was just on zillow looking at affordable land in the snowflake area. I wonder if its part of this?

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

You have a link for what you saw on Zillow?

[@LiberLady]

Won't those basins be susceptible to flash foods & washes?

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Sure. That's why our lot plan steers clear of the 100 year flood zones. Also, by applying permaculture principles, we can get the water to soak into the ground rather than pass through. Lots of videos here on KZbin how people turn desert areas just like ours into lush green foliage using the same principles.

[@dsg325]

I live in Show Low and own property in Taylor. Love the area.

[@gretchenburton7184]

I would love to know more about the area

[@peggyannparkes1863]

Be careful making lots in the gullies. They flood during the rainy season.

[@victoriaoshea4865]

BEAUTIFUL

[@rodperysian4145]

I use to live out there, sure do miss it

[@seasonsofwisdom]

Congratulations! I have been following along on your Utah project for a while now. My family and I attempted to go off-grid nearby (see our videos) but, as you all know, it isn't an easy undertaking. Keep us posted on your progress please!

[@rockyblack8709]

They are talking about killing that area and nothing more. Plus what they aren't saying is that area is a flood plain and when it rains your lucky to get a 4 wheel drive there.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

"Meet Your New Neighbors Open House" - El Dorado area meeting this Friday, July 21st at 6pm at the Cedar Hills Community Center on Concho Highway. Coslor Cove founders, Philip Gleason, Larry Jones, and Jesse Fisher will be on hand to share their vision for Arizona's only resident-owned, off-grid, non-profit, food-producing, law-abiding, preparedness community. We'll stay and answer questions as long as we can. Everyone living on or off El Dorado is welcome! @legacyranch8482, @rockyblack8709, @TheSchnebs, @beccadunmire5339, @DeLong740, @cathyterry7192, @hopegrows1418, @sagesandoval2694, @lisascheele9913, @rexated5148

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Before you come, if you can squeeze it in, we invite you to get a real good overview of the project by watching the intro video of a similar project previously set up in Utah. The video linked below tells Philip's story as to why preparedness and sustainable food production became important to him, and about "Operation Self-Reliance" and how it helps families escape the insanity of cities and produce all their own food and power off-grid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJiVeWOtgt6loJY

[@dottiannblakemore9231]

I have a place in Sun Valley. Your mindset must be water retention and preservation. I am practicing permaculture with ancient proven techniques.

[@sagesandoval2694]

Really what kind of plan is this?

[@hopegrows1418]

I mean......a development plan it looks like.

[@hopegrows1418]

You cannot build a Tesla with this plan.

[@Franaflyby]

Wow, allot of negative feedback . What is the price range ? I'm looking for a place to plant my camper that is affordable. It's only myself and my morkiepoo DesiLu. I can cook, clean, and would like to find employment. I'm finally leaving Utah after all these years

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

We only building permanently-affixed, passive-solar homes. You may want to check out ic.org to find communities that allow campers.

[@simplelogic7202]

This property for sale?

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Yes. Email me at [e-mail]7 (without the 7s) and I'll send the Project Summary PDF.

[@dennisbaker9391]

I live near here, a few miles from this acreage, I would suggest spending a couple of weeks per each seasons, before you buy, it's rugged and it's not the garden of eden, there are alot of broken dreams,scattered about,it will take 2 or 3 years to get a well installed, at a cost 40 or 50,000,

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Wise counsel. Thing is, we're not expecting a Garden of Eden. The ideal property would be way too expensive to build an off-grid community. Our goal is to make it as affordable as possible for people to go off-grid and produce all their own food, water and power. From what I can tell, it appears that those with broken dreams really couldn't afford to build out a workable homestead in the first place. That's why our #1 reason for turning people away from Utah's location (and it will be for Arizona) is that they simply don't have enough resources to make it work. We don't want anyone getting stuck, unable to move forward or go back.

[@donfreeman9938]

Why would it take so long to get a well installed?

[@donfreeman9938]

And how do you know its that much for a well?

[@Killuminatiforlyfe]

Start planting fruit and nut trees. And gardens

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

That's the plan!

[@libertyforamericanow]

Is this like an hoa thing

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Not at all. We're allergic to HOAs. This is a land co-op, so everyone who joins will be a co-owner of all 1,298 acres. An elected board will manage the business side (buying and selling goods and our produce), and a community council will handle the social side of things. In our Utah location, no HOA-style rules have been imposed from the beginning 4 years ago.

[@Emotional-Damage-Failure]

“Co owner”

[@BongDonky]

That is truly in the middle of nowhere.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

You should google "Utah OSR Land Co-op" and click the map. THAT town is literally in the middle of nowhere. Coslor Cove is MUCH closer to a Walmart than Riverbed Ranch. :)

[@marcusbutler5221]

I don’t know if you’re interested or not, but I’m planning on building custom container homes in Snowflake. They would make great 300 sq foot off grid buildings. If you guys are interested let me know we could come up with some specific plans for your needs.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

We would have interest if: - The homes are engineered to have R-values of 40 in the walls and 80 in the ceilings (we don't want our residents freezing to death if their solar system goes down mid-winter), - You double up on the square footage, and - You can give us a PDF with detailed pricing and features that we can pass on to our prospects and co-op members. Have you checked with the county on minimum square footage for residents?

[@marcusbutler5221]

@@AcademyofSelfReliance These would be single container homes about 300 sq ft. They would be an R-49 in the ceiling and R-20 in the walls. I own an Insulation company in Snowflake and the containers are well insulated and meet insulation code for our Area. We could figure out something if people want to do double container homes. I know they do container homes with trusses. I would need to research Apache county to see their building rules and regulations. I’m in the middle of two big jobs, but would love to come see your property and see if we can make something work. If not I can at least give you some references on builders in the area.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

@@marcusbutler5221 , Great! Email me at [e-mail]7 (without the 7s) and I'll send info, tour schedule, and other links.

[@mountainloversoff-grid155]

Were neighbors. Hello

[@SuperTigerTV]

This looks like a well thought out plan for a place where organized people can live in a sustainable peaceful manner. A lot of people out there don't realize how incredibly huge the Coconino water supply underground is and will always be. Your wells could never hurt anyone elses wells in the huge aquifer. Adobe building is so incredibly cost efficient and naturally cool I am surprised there are not more in the area. Best wishes this is the opportunity of a lifetime for everyone who wants to get involved. No drugs exception prescription allowed. I suspect. Yay.

[@courtney6020]

Coconino water supply may be plentiful,but as water levels drop, existing wells will have to be drilled to go lower ...so this will impact locals who've lived in the area for decades by making them spend thousands of dollars to keep living on their properties. This is disgusting

[@SimplyEastTexas]

Wow… how nice that is going to be!

[@TheSchnebs]

So close to my ancestors home town - awesome! ❤

[@hopegrows1418]

What is the affiliation between any and all person's affiliated with this project to these other entities? 1. The Latter Day Church of Christ 2. The kingston clan 3. The United Order/ the Order/ the Order of Enoch 4 the Davis County Cooperative Society Is this off grid development a fundamentalist enclave where polygamy will be allowed? Why so much secrecy in acquiring so much land without ever meeting any of the landowners already here? Did you intend to be a part of the existing community or an isolated enclave where you have to go out of your way on your website to say that you are a co-op and not a cult? Thanks in advance. I'll continue digging too.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

1. We're just building an off-grid town where people can build out self-reliance homesteads. We're not making a political or religious statement. The three founders do happen to be (active) members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. However, there is no religious (or political) requirements to build in the community. 2. When they join, our residents agree to keep the county, state and federal laws. So if polygamy is illegal in AZ, then that won't work for us. 3.The need for secrecy is past. We wanted to avoid alerting other land investors to the property. 4. We definitely are interested in becoming great neighbors to the existing community! In fact, we'll be helping to maintain the roads that the county doesn't. We get asked the cult question quite often, apparently lots of Americans don't understand the difference between a co-op and a cult. Important questions!

[@hopegrows1418]

@@AcademyofSelfReliance I said the Latter Day Church of Christ. Not the main street Mormon church but one of the fundamentalist sects. If you folk are mainstream LDS....welcome to the neighborhood. If you're FLDS or any of it's offshoots that engage in trading children you'll be made unwelcome. I don't care what consenting adults do.....

[@hopegrows1418]

@@AcademyofSelfReliance also....you didn't answer my question. Are any of you affiliated in any way with the order of Enoch or the Kingston clan or the offshore splinter group the latter day church of Christ. See above. Should be a simple yes or no.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

@@hopegrows1418 , sorry, I thought my answers would have made that clear. An unequivocal "No" to your question.

[@hopegrows1418]

@@AcademyofSelfReliance thank you so much. Welcome to the neighborhood.

[@rexated5148]

Very nice!

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Thanks!

[@cathyterry7192]

Why do you guys keep blocking my comments what you guys don't want them to know the truth I know a few other comments you guys have blocked you why don't you guys I'm blocked them and let the truth out how many people really don't want you guys there

[@hopegrows1418]

It could be because your comments make you seem like an angry unhinged person. Take some deep breaths. Apply logic. More deep breaths. Calm down. You'll be okay.

[@SuperTigerTV]

I guess you don't keep up with Apache County politics. They have new restrictive RV rules coming to Apache County that nobody got to vote about. A community of like minded people is much better for the area than homeless encampments they currently allow in San Francisco with zero building opportunites for this price and support.

[@dennisbaker9391]

​@@SuperTigerTV it's Navajo co, please research before commenting thx

[@beccadunmire5339]

This is going to tear up our roads out here. Bringing in more traffic and noise. The water level is getting lower and you want to put in a lot of wells. You have no respect for those of us who already live here who enjoy our peace and quiet.

[@courtney6020]

I agree. Locals need to protest this 'neighborhood' ASAP

[@ashcarriee]

If your worried about water, question the government on why Saudi Arabia owns thousands of acres of farming land in az to farm their alfalfa and send it home. Because it’s illegal to grow it in Saudi Arabia 😢 hmm go figure

[@lisascheele9913]

welcome to meth mountain. you really didn’t do your homework.

[@hopegrows1418]

You clearly don't live out here either. At least where I'm at....we make that shit leave. Period.

[@lisascheele9913]

@@hopegrows1418 i live off el dorado. i made the mistake of not doing my homework and put my life savings into it.

[@hopegrows1418]

@@lisascheele9913 if you have tweekers.....I have functional security solutions and I'm a neighbor. How can I help.

[@lisascheele9913]

@@hopegrows1418 yeah in 17 year it only got worse

[@hopegrows1418]

@@lisascheele9913 so are you on El Dorado now?

[@patreinhold8370]

Good luck drilling wells, their already over a year behind on current wells

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Thanks for the warning, but we just had our first well dug already!

[@donfreeman9938]

​@AcademyofSelfReliance how much was the well? Thanks

[@PrettyGoodLookin]

Solar emits high levels of dirty EMF.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

I've never heard this! So, of course, I had to ask ChatGPT (the fount of all knowledge) ;) Here's it's reply: "Solar systems, when we're talking about photovoltaic systems that convert sunlight into electricity, indeed involve the production, conversion, and transmission of electrical energy, all of which can give rise to electromagnetic fields (EMFs). "PV Panels: Photovoltaic (PV) panels themselves produce direct current (DC) electricity when exposed to sunlight. While the DC electricity from the panels doesn't generate significant EMFs, the associated components and infrastructure might. "Inverters: The DC electricity produced by the solar panels is converted to alternating current (AC) electricity by an inverter. AC electricity, especially when it's being converted and transformed, can produce EMFs. "Electrical Wiring: The AC electricity is then transmitted to the home or grid via electrical wiring. Electromagnetic fields are created around these wires when electricity flows through them. "Electrical Appliances: When solar-generated electricity is used by electrical appliances, these devices can produce EMFs, as with any source of electricity. "However, the strength of EMFs decreases rapidly with distance. Typically, by maintaining a reasonable distance from inverter equipment and electrical wiring, one can reduce the exposure to EMFs. Additionally, modern solar systems are designed and installed with consideration for safety and health standards, which includes the minimization of EMF exposure." Sounds like anyone who uses electricity in their homes will be exposed to EMFs. Perhaps future civilizations will discover we were wrong to use electricity in our homes. Hope not! :)

[@PrettyGoodLookin]

" However, there is a dark side to solar energy that is just starting to get the attention it deserves. Namely, solar technology generates extremely “dirty” electricity, which can and does create health problems for solar system owners and their neighbors. If you neighbor has Solar it is unhealthy for you. @@AcademyofSelfReliance

[@skeeterthomas2991]

The guy who griped about new people Selfish gey over it

[@movingforwardfco1587]

How tragic. Sorry this is very sad. We have enough development in Phoenix. Don't see how living in neighborhoods like your talking about is gonna work out there. Guess I am missing something. All I see is another potential scam and where are you going to get the people for all these neighborhoods?

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Interesting that some see this as a huge opportunity, others assume it's a scam. Our Utah location has over 100 people living there full-time. Here are our update videos from there showing our progress: www.youtube.com/@UtahOSR/videos

[@rockyblack8709]

Was anyone living near the land you secretly bought asked about this?

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

Yes, we spoke to Victoria, whose land is adjacent. Nice lady!

[@rockyblack8709]

@@AcademyofSelfReliance you only talked to one person 😂. I know a few others right next to it that only just heard about it and they aren't happy. Something doesn't sound right.

[@cathyterry7192]

Yeah my cousin and my uncle lives right next to it they're not happy because they can't handle the city like that's why they're out there

[@rockyblack8709]

@@AcademyofSelfReliance Victoria is only one person and the rest of us did not put her in charge of letting you kill this area with crowds, noise and from what I understand is a bunch of crazy church people that will start knocking at our doors trying to sell us your religion! Most of us have no trespassing signs for a reason and you need to tell everyone that might move there to honor the signs! And most of us don't want the roads any better because it will just bring more city people and that's what we moved out here to get away from. You kept it all a secret for some really bad reason, you knew the people wouldn't like it!

[@dennisbaker9391]

I smell a farce neighbor, more broken dreams,

[@cathyterry7192]

Yeah it's a beautiful place of why don't y'all just leave it because you guys are putting those stupid houses there is just going to ruin it because then there goes all the natural beauty you guys are going to destroy everything I think you guys need to go around and talk to a few more of the neighbors and you'll see how many don't really want you guys there

[@hopegrows1418]

Who the duck cares what the neighbors want? You stay off their land. They stay off yours. Just like we all do. You're not in charge of them, what they do or any of the rest of it. You literally sound stupid You love freedom unless other people are doing it huh? They freely spent their money to become our neighbors on their land. Mind your business. This is America.

[@hopegrows1418]

Also.....it's a beautiful place. Yes. Now 1300 acres is THEIR beautiful place. Lol Maybe you can visit.

[@freshfishandchips]

@cathyterry7192 There are communities where you can tell your neighbors what to do, they are called HOA's, if thats what you want you are free to move to one...

[@rockyblack8709]

That area is a flood plain. It turns to muck when it rains 😂 so they would have to build a lot of roads and tear up a lot of our property to do it.

[@hopegrows1418]

Good thing they have the money....and the heavy equipment. Maybe I'll see if they can help us out with your fucked up driveway

[@gazelam]

Like the way it is today, 8/9/2023. The worst roads are like axle grease and the washes aren’t even running as heavily as I’ve seen in the recent past. Still, worth it if you ask me.

[@rodperysian4145]

Red clay

[@jamesbass9797]

Not in favor of this. Just not for me.

[@AcademyofSelfReliance]

It's definitely not for everyone. However, we have a homesteading training course that might be of interest. It's here: academyosr.com/the-path/