How Melee Roy Works (and how Project M fixed him)

[@atWisely]

"How PM fixed xyz character" is such a good idea for a series, great stuff dude

[@arJunebugSmash]

Lol thanks man. Haven't thought of that but I could make more of these There would be a good amount of nuance to those for sure, as some characters were maybe overtweaked 😅

[@spencerdyer4836]

@@arJunebugSmash wym bro pm mewtwo is totally a fine character that is true to melee mewtwo 100%

[@johnleecooper8520]

for sure! could even do one for some brawl top tiers like mk to look at how they compare

[@dh3913]

Spencer Dyer I was about to say I hope he does Mewtwo too

[@TheLaXandro]

Additional comparison with Nintendo's own attempts would be nice too, even if it's just a couple notes in the conclusion.

[@givecamichips]

"What if you had Marth, but instead of good hitboxes and frame data, you could set opponents on fire?"

[@unitedstatesofuk]

Sakurai: I love it! How long does it usually take to develop an entire character? HAL Laboratories: In the ballpark of a few weeks if we really focus. Sakurai: Ok, ok... how about 30 minutes? HAL: Sir, with all due respect, that is a terrible amount of time- Sakurai: lol idc lololol (This is a joke. Everyone was under a lot of pressure to rush this game.)

[@sicko5821]

@@unitedstatesofuk Melee was actually rushed tho tbh I liked your joke btw lol

[@queuedjar4578]

@@unitedstatesofuk *HAL, pushing a crate full of finished copies of melee out their front door for distribution* Sakurai: HOLD UP Before you go, make it so you can jump out of shine, players might need to do that. Also shrink G&W's shield real quick while you're at it, having it cover...ANYTHING AT ALL feels a little OP.

[@shaan__real]

A soul for a soul

[@abominationdesolation8322]

@@unitedstatesofuk How dare you insult the gods and idols of the nintendo cult!

[@visualbrick6574]

I learned Roy can be summed up by "There's always F-smash"

[@Vigilanteblade]

Thank you for making this lovely video. As one of the people who worked on PM Roy, I can say that you were pretty spot on with our reasoning on how we thought we should balance him. We wanted to take the character and keep his basic feel and playstyle, while expanding on it further. It was extremely important to make sure that Roy remained true to his core gameplay. I also just want to ensure that Shadic gets some shoutouts as he was a leading force in the development. Roy is very dear to me as a character, and it was a treat to watch.

[@arJunebugSmash]

#ThankYouPMDT

[@Ryio5]

PMDT pog You guys are the best ❤️

[@Vigilanteblade]

@@Ryio5 And we love you guys. :)

[@Opdi67]

you did an excellent job fulfilling that goal!! PM feels like the way roy is truly meant to play. i hate the feel of playing floaty characters so i refused to switch to marth, thank you for making my favorite character playable!

[@Vigilanteblade]

Appreciate it. I'm sure Shadic, Sethlon and the rest of the Roy team would be happy to hear it.

[@TheAJwr]

the quacking sound when roy uses an aerial is amazing lol

[@Kurayamiblack]

2:38 I know you're explaining how Roy's moves are unsafe, but all I actually see is example after example of Marth's grab hitbox being the size of Jupiter XD

[@arJunebugSmash]

LOL you can CC ASDI and shieldgrab with most other chars too I promise

[@phantompop3192]

Just Marth things.

[@garrettchandler1948]

One time I was in classic mode and my friend grabbed me from three counties over. Had to drive all the way over there to get my stock back.

[@LordZemosa]

A skilled Junebug video can beat any SSBM Tutorials video

[@AlextheNESguy]

cant believe you said "royritis" instead of "arthROYtis" smh

[@arJunebugSmash]

DAMMIT

[@TheDrinkingFood]

I had this exact thought as I got to that point lmao

[@bcan5512]

👃

[@hiiambarney4489]

What about "MARTHROYtis"? Oh no... Honest mistake, that's what Ultimate addicted with having more swords than Skyrim.

[@fub3991]

Roycist

[@TheClassicnathan]

When watching that project M footage it blew my mind that the team included Roy's poke attack from his GBA game as his forward tilt. Really great attention to detail hot damn

[@nicocchi]

Yeah. Like, I'll always like Sakurai's Smash 4/Ultimate Roy better, but man the Project M devs did him justice with his forward tilt. You can even angle it up, and make the animation more closely resemble his attack in Fire Emblem!

[@marsupialmole3926]

@@nicocchi Roy in Ultimate and Smash 4 contains a lot of animation references to the GBA fire emblem games, but surprisingly few to himself. His jab and bair are the Hero sword attacks, his fair is the knife swing that thieves do, his f-tilt has more than a passing resemblance to myrmidon attacks. But for some reason he lacks representation for his own attack animations.

[@bowens9159]

Lol it's very obvious you got that information from Smash Wiki and not even crediting them for your comment lol

[@RTU130]

Ye

[@prestong.6391]

as someone who uses roy in melee, seeing his moves actually working on pm for the first time is a lot more surreal than I thought it'd be

[@tbd9634]

"How Melee Roy works" He doesn't

[@justelisan1766]

This was a great representation of Roy. I love playing Roy in Melee. I understand his flaws and how much people trash on him but he is just the character that I connect with the most. Roy is just so fun to use. I've used Roy since I was young and as I got older I took the competitive route with Melee and I still use Roy

[@DylanMatthewTurner]

This video made me switch to Roy in Melee and pick up P+ with him

[@spimbles]

after seemingly watching melee youtube completely dry with all the free time ive had the past 2 years, new amazingly written videos by people like you or walt or asumsaus just make me so happy every time i find them. genuinely interesting and fun explanation video, junebug. nice work man

[@lennardnorden]

I'm really glad they made Roy better in every game he appeared in. He even is a solid high ( according to some even top) tier character in ultimate!

[@paperluigi6132]

Now hopefully he'll be a better unit when FE6 gets a remake.

[@lennardnorden]

@@paperluigi6132 I truly hope so

[@Juan-zs6jt]

@@paperluigi6132 He has Project Ember at least. He is a solid unit.

[@angrypepe7615]

@@paperluigi6132 yeah, melee is a incredibly accurate version of roy because he's complete dogshit, just like in fe6

[@LARAUJO_0]

I believe you missed the word "happy," which I also am

[@EvilApple567]

I thought Roy's punish game against Puff was reverse Up B, and his neutral was fishing for reverse Up B

[@MosesBaker-sk1wv]

True

[@thelemonadestandman]

It's always a pleasure to see new PM content being made. I have so many good memories surrounding the game and I love how fast paced and consistent they made Roy.

[@ZachStarAttack]

I was wondering how I never came across a video so good like this and then I realized it’s only two days old. Thank you again Mr. June bug. Try rushdown revolt

[@LukasHale]

Would love to see more videos like this! Samus and bowser are two I love in Project M and would love to see in this series!

[@t3cchan]

This is great insight that only you can provide with your experience in both games. Really sick video Junebug

[@arJunebugSmash]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@GawainSSB]

It would have been interesting to also compare and contrast Nintendo's approach to fixing the character in the newer games too. I feel like on a basic level their idea for the character changed into something totally different.

[@EphYxRS]

Roy's Nair in PM has to be one of the most beautiful looking move in all SSB games.

[@Alakadoof]

I remember adding fire to it (and D-Smash) and it was just... *Chef kiss* Thanks!

[@rainbowgg___]

pssst Melee Roy is just fine. This video is stupid. You only have to win neutral 10x the rate of your opponent and be ok with having to quadruple the percent's needed to kill and he's a perfectly fine character

[@nolanfaught6974]

Playing melee Roy is like trying to win a race with 2 broken legs and a prosthetic arm. You put in 5x the effort to go half as far

[@rainbowgg___]

@@nolanfaught6974 thats a good way of putting it. Being a filthy sheik main i see that for sure.

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@rainbowgg___ lol what's your problem? Do you even know he's a sheik main?

[@rainbowgg___]

@@lapplandkun9273 my bad for wording that weird. I'm making fun of myself. I'm a sheik main brotha. A proud solo main to be frank I love sheik

[@slenderMax28]

had me in the first half

[@RisingJericho]

You're selling me more and more on trying Project M. Holy shit.

[@henrygutierrez3243]

Roy is bad in Fe6, Melee just wanted to show people that.

[@NickKrishnan]

legitimately the worst lord in the whole fire emblem series lmao

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

@@NickKrishnan alongside with Leif

[@Emiturbina]

But this is Roy WITH the binding blade, he should be decent

[@nathankeel6667]

@@AzumarillConGafasBv nah leif is great in tracia light brand, only unit that cant be fatiged, adapt king slayer just needs a early life ring and he is great id say michia or lyn probley lyn because at least michia can be a staff bot laye game

[@HuangLongGaming]

@@nathankeel6667 leif also has 2 PCC and a movement star, which is something not everyone gets and light brand using magic at 2 range is super helpful all he needs is a couple of speed and con levels which isn't that hard to do and maybe a speed ring if you're unlucky and he won't be penalized by the light brand

[@ssbMekk]

Very nice work. This video is amazingly well done. Excited for what you decide to do next!

[@MaxCoplan]

This series is FANTASTIC. Keep it up, and keep up the PM work. Project M is my favorite game of all time :)

[@arJunebugSmash]

Same :)

[@MrSlowpez10]

I like the quacks on every roy aerial

[@raghavpatel720]

I wish pm or p+ was still alive with online tournaments. Also Junebug, I hope you never stop making videos like this

[@arJunebugSmash]

Yeah unfortunate... But there are some attempts to keep the game alive. It streams under "Super Smash Brothers Brawl" on Twitch iirc. and thank you Bhai, I will keep trying

[@qwertz143]

Hope you upload more often Arjun, your content is top tier.

[@legacytag]

I'd like hear about how PM fixed a character based off their previous games. But I'd love to see them compared to their options int other games, especially Ultimate where most characters tend have a lot more balance in all 3 states

[@thereaIitsybitsyspider]

The best part of Roy in Melee is that he goes "BONK" when you hit him.

[@Osai1234]

hahaha the wet noodle

[@ADerpyZelda]

I think talking more about Roy's weaknesses and what makes him bad would've been a good idea, you did touch on him having average mobility in PM but a little more depth about whether or not he has the same weaknesses but less exploitable would've been cool, nevertheless, great video man

[@bcan5512]

The editing @4:50 of "dtilt" and "grab" matching up with the visual of dtilt and grab is low key really quality. Also idk if it's just me, but when you showed the side by side of pm and melee I kept expecting pm to be on the right. Something about the old being on the left, and new being on the right feels proper to me, but idk, might just be me. Keep up the good content!

[@zinklian1899]

8:24 I prefer the term “Arthroytis”

[@noahglassberg8339]

Super well made video.

[@PtkGaming]

Always remember *A skilled roy can beat any fox*

[@Appletank8]

....But not a Peach.

[@Osai1234]

@@Appletank8 i test it and challengingly win…… sometimes.

[@marisanya]

Opening up with old school Fire Emblem music? This is gonna be my type of video

[@NEETKitten]

I love how Roy went from "ok at best" in melee to the game's best "unga bunga rushdown" character in ultimate.

[@coz9387]

I find it interesting how ultimate took a different direction yet still managed to make Roy a better more aggressive character

[@LMANPAD]

This is really interesting. I hope you do more of these

[@michaelsosa4891]

9:48 hehehe roy hit the funny number. Now you know why he's our boy.

[@DREAMSQU33ZE]

I loved Roy when I was little

[@Pr0ject_Dusk]

Yeah me too, he was my main.

[@EthansQuest]

Great video! Very informative! I love it

[@Dominik_K2]

last time I was this early roy did not beat top players

[@zach2437]

Yo let's go Junebug. Great bit of content as always.

[@GrymShip]

Make this a series comparing melee/brawl to pm/p+ movesets pls. Super good vid. Keep it up. Subscribed

[@ahmadkazan7994]

I would totally watch a series based on this.

[@TrevsTreehouse]

Its acutally 'Roymatoid' arthritis and yes, I made that up and I'm proud of it loll

[@kayele]

Been a Roy user from the jump. What a frustrating character to use, now I have some hope after all these yrs

[@gamesincharacter5106]

Honestly melee roy reminds me of lucina in terms of game plan since if you’re marth you can get pretty early and decent kills. where as with lucina you gotta play the long game but the reward is just satisfying when you finally get that KO.

[@thatcomona]

Man went with Roy-ritis instead arthRoytis smh good video tho june :3

[@Lancer2011]

great video dawg

[@Controllerhead]

The first swipe of sword dance is crucial to recovery mixups and distance. First hit of nair SHFFL is great to follow with Dtilt, Ftilt or even Fsmash if the opponent is higher up. Dtilt can combo into itself too. Otherwise, great video!

[@ovadyarachman7243]

Continue this series please

[@WIImotionmasher]

I miss Project M Please please devs get P+ rollback soon

[@Reminiscable]

Love the neutral explanation. Subbed.

[@iridisk]

When I heard "Its Junebug" I was like you still make videos

[@abominationdesolation8322]

"Unsafe on hit" describes too many characters in Smash.

[@gravityvertigo13579]

Damn, this series really rules

[@illuno--bf8dx1bw5j]

11:48 MMMmmmm... that is one THICC f smash

[@grealy13]

sick vid 👌

[@janko6637]

I would give Roy a mechanic where his sword randomly flashes extremely fast and if you react to it his fully charged neutral b fires off. When his nose turns red he honks, he has fire

[@icecreambone]

wait melee roy is like little mac

[@HighDeafRadio]

Top Tier on the cuteness tier list tho.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Roy is always a weird character to play. You will randomly catch someone with an fsmash at like 50% and they are just dead, and you think "damn this character is busted" then other times you have them at like 200% and just can't land a killing move and think "this character is trash." At least in melee.

[@ericaragon4374]

I forget people still play this game, instead of the newest one.

[@LARAUJO_0]

Since when did people stop playing Melee

[@illgeteverythingback]

LARAUJO he means pm

[@nolanfaught6974]

@@LARAUJO_0 since people wanted to play any character competitively except fox, falco and marth

[@dozan3013]

@@nolanfaught6974 Jigglypuff, Sheik, Peach, Falcon, Pikachu: Am i a joke to you?

[@XxUmineIcraftxX]

Is June bug going to pop off?

[@JonnyfromElma]

Holy shit I fought Dinkleberg Roy lmao

[@savaget2058]

A skilled Roy can beat any Fox

[@archerbias6597]

Fire Emblem 6 footage, W

[@aidenzorn8322]

Can’t believe you didn’t mention that Roy can kill the 3 lightest characters with reverse up b on some stages

[@spikeart6360]

DINKLEBEERRRGGG

[@denirio]

0:28 Boi!

[@xanthangum1217]

0:56 I always thought Fox was the fastest

[@TDG386]

He is the fatest character overall, he isn't the Best in a specific something

[@lycantubeves5992]

2:40 Nice example hahahahaha xd You know all, I want new moves for Roy

[@matthewzakrzewski1797]

how come nobody told me sneez looks like gary busey

[@LightningCayo]

A skilled Roy can beat any Fox. But I’m still waiting for Bowser to win a tournament, let alone beat a Fox.

[@Booksisgreat]

nice vid!

[@liyrex]

Fantastic analysis. Nice to see a video essay that isn't just. Lol bad

[@senby2306]

awesome video B)

[@GeneFOX70]

What about Roy in Brawl Minus?

[@taylornicty1170]

PM also fixed Mewtwo and in my opinion has the best Mewtwo

[@arJunebugSmash]

:)

[@ilovenierreplicant2983]

It's kinda crazy how melee roy is for most accurate version of roy because he's about as lacking as he is in his game. man struggles in fe6 so hard man.

[@hulberto8106]

But he has the Binding Blade in his Smash Bros. appearance, so he should actually be at least decent there by virtue of how ridiculously buff that weapon is.

[@ilovenierreplicant2983]

@@hulberto8106 Thats true.

[@roymain8090]

Well, Roy is decent enough to survive for the first 15 chapters, then he sucks for 5-6 chapters and finally he promotes and becomes really good if you max him, being able to solo the snow trial map with his sword of seals, some iron swords and some silver swords

[@ilovenierreplicant2983]

@@roymain8090 eh i would say he's good for less about 10 chapters. He has okay growths yeah, but the enemies just fuck him up, especially on hard mode. I mean you can make him work, but there's so many other alternatives that do better and it's a lot more convenient in efficient play of FE6 to avoid having roy kill the bosses so he could seize faster. He CAN work, but that requires a bit too much effort for a forgettable unit. He is absolutely good when promoted no arguing that tho.

[@MorphRed]

@@ilovenierreplicant2983 Roy himself isn't a really bad unit, it's more the game that really fucks him up. FE6 is a lance party with pretty big maps and Roy is a sword locked infantry unit, not to mention his late promotion.

[@genericbonk]

what's the name of the song at 4:05?

[@arJunebugSmash]

I don't know, but it's from the Link Arena battles in FE6 lol

[@genericbonk]

thanks

[@cfalcon8342]

awesome video

[@kingroyaiko6998]

Who wanna beat my ultimate roy

[@gamesincharacter5106]

What’s your Nintendo switch friends code?

[@frogchip6484]

The Virgin Marth vs the CHAD ROY

[@0Enigmatic0]

How did you change your tag on slippi?

[@arJunebugSmash]

This was an earlier update, you just needed to change your user.json file back then

[@dad4436]

you have to go to slippi.gg and click on your profile

[@sdw-hv5ko]

Awesome video! Would love to see one on Mewtwo

[@arJunebugSmash]

:)

[@sdw-hv5ko]

@@arJunebugSmash you fucking legend

[@ahmedsyed836]

Zain shows that he didn't need fixing lmao, crazy

[@jsnxww]

i like your funny words magic man

[@speny6395]

What translation patch for fe6 are you using? It looks kind of like one of the older ones. Also like how you had him fight a promoted Barth.

[@thepooroldsoul8179]

Dinkleberg.

[@vc101]

i like how you assumed roy had a tipper instead of the complete opposite of a tipper.

[@dancingtriangle2814]

One thing you didn't seem to mention about pm roy is hat if you hold up when doing up special, it has more height than standard up special.

[@TheManaPrism]

I'm surprised there's even a PM tier list since every character is supposed to be roughly as good as Melee Fox, or so I've heard that that was what you guys were going for when creating it. Or is there not as much level gap between the fighters as a normal fighting game ?

[@autumndth]

i need a video like this for mario

[@typhlosion7872]

Bro, when I was just a year old, Neo was a top 7 player (and he's a Toy main)

[@herbroastedchicken305]

Wtf is that black circle at 3:23 on the right platform