Projectiles in Super Smash Bros

[@elemangell2981]

Ultimate Link and Pac-Man are the scariest characters I’ve ever seen in Smash Bros. Not because of what we know they can do, but because of what we don’t know...

[@JoseELeon]

The pac man meta develops faster than some countries

[@peter42466]

I mean it depends if we keep ultimate for a while imagine if ultimate becomes known for its punish game

[@krabsisdaddy447]

I bet you shit your pants with steve

[@bunnyninjaface]

lol steven minecraft

[@Sethlon]

Ahh, my favorite piece of the Triforce; The Triforce of BOMB

[@arJunebugSmash]

IT DOES EVERYTHING

[@HylianKirbo]

@@arJunebugSmash And for ultimate..... Edgegaurding Ledgetraping Shield pressure Nair loops Stage control Kill confirms Recovery from anywhere Blocks Charge shots and can block general projectiles Frame 4 Oos with a z drop, but it's small lmao I know I missed some, but I wager Rune Bomb is one of the best down B's in the game-

[@samuelotte924]

Nice Roy ;)

[@chairwood]

u want it, it's urs my friend. as long as u have the rupees to pay.

[@jayacheal8401]

The Triforce...the sacred triangle... it is a balance that weighs the three forces: Lamp oil, Rope and Bombs.

[@dakko8805]

"You shoot a thing, it does damage" -idk some french guy maybe

[@somerobmain2962]

69th like nice

[@inserttrashname709]

Projectiles: you shoot a thing, it does damage! Not very interesting... BUT very deadly! -an Italian American voice actor hired by albino on fiverr

[@turndownforwalt]

GOOD CONTENT

[@arJunebugSmash]

THANKS WALT

[@Jwillii]

I love the baby-faced june clips that get into these videos

[@bb97979]

I usually comment some meme shitpost, but I want to take a minute to truely express how much I love these uploads June. Everything from the music choices to the video framing per clip just bleeds your personallity and I'm loving every bit of it. Keep being you man. And cheers! Its another quality upload.

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thank you so much! Always appreciate your comments

[@bananaspice1967]

"What makes me a good fighter?" *"If I were a bad fighter, i wouldn't be sittin' here spamming projectiles from the other end of the stage!"*

[@MeesterTweester]

2:03 they finally added it in Ultimate

[@zachywatcher2312]

15:29 that frikking kirby deserves projectile camp and you know it

[@arJunebugSmash]

🤝

[@doobi6343]

I would actually say that samus in ultimate is very interesting when fighting offline due to the myriad of mixups that charge shot enables. It allows her to approach from the air with a threatening, high damage combo starter or finisher, gives her incredibly tricky movement, and some of the best, quickest, and most powerful mixups off projectiles in the game. After her missiles were gutted in smash 4, charge shot took up the reins in ultimate to fix that missing utility by pooling it all in one move, a powerful anchor for her entire moveset to work off of, and allows her to still perform her role as the midrange zoner/brawling terror she’s always been.

[@arJunebugSmash]

That is fair, perhaps I was treating Dark Samus zoning too poorly because of online shenanigans. Good to know it's charge cancel provides a lot of depth!

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

@@arJunebugSmash oh you have no idea how integral charge shot is for Samus in Ultimate. Top 5 or 10 special moves in the game with its utility.

[@TheMasterBlaze]

Yeah in Smash 4 it was dash attack, but in Ultimate. Charge Shot is her god button.

[@justinreinsma9772]

I think its ability to nullify other projectiles is important too because it helps punish other zoners and allows Samus to get in and condition other exploitable behaviors

[@trevor987]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo top 5 or 10 special sure but not in utility. It doesn't have very many uses it's just good at camping

[@fukawadesu]

Diddy kong's neutral b is an item btw. You can grab the peanut.

[@free3793]

Items are something you can pick up tho

[@fukawadesu]

@@free3793 you can pick the peanut up tho. Just saying

[@fukawadesu]

@@free3793 according to your logic Link bombs Peach turnips Link arrows(smash ultimate) Diddy kong down b Diddy kong neutral b Banjo down B Are not items. Which just saying are all the item moves. If you can catch it its an item. Can you catch diddy kong peanuts. 100% yes. I have done it countless times. So peanut pop gun is an item move.

[@free3793]

@@fukawadesu Okay but you said if you can catch it then it is an item.. but what about the items you cant catch? I wouldnt call them items. I see items as anything you can pick up from the ground. Because if we talked about characters like Isaballe pocketing projectiles then are those considered items as well?

[@fukawadesu]

@@free3793 pocket is a mechanic tho. It acts like a revers edge move. If you don't know what it is, go play jury is street fighter 5. In the same wave Bucket is revers edge. And they are a reflector. But if I fallow you logic than all items in ssbu are not items, which makes no sense. Because they spawn in the air just saying. So even if you play casually peanut pop gun is an item throw. Its just using a gun.

[@pompkons2809]

You love to see it

[@toonishigh]

Junepog

[@puunk_9240]

I was hoping you would talk about Yoshi eggs (in Melee and PM/P+) because they are such an anomaly in how/when they are used but i understand that they would probably be too much of a sidestep from the rest of the video and also they are easy to forget about

[@equinox-XVI]

You know bombs are useful when you can make montage of it without even involving Toon Link's bomb fake outs from smash 4

[@metricleader8243]

Projectiles are my favorites moves in fighting games, like when a character have one the whole neutral is based around that and i love it.

[@sdw-hv5ko]

Every time I watch a Junebug video I feel a little smarter

[@papersonic9941]

Ultimate's version of charge shot isn't just a big dumb kill option, it's also a combo starter. On top of B-reversing helping Samus' disadvantage.

[@arJunebugSmash]

Yeah seems like it can be used pretty similarly to Lucarios in that it has a lot more depth

[@Descro382]

I know you don't play Ultimate much, but I love Mega Man's metal blade. There are so many things you can do with it, BUT it's not broken. Both players have to be careful maneuvering with it, and I love it a lot

[@arJunebugSmash]

Yeah you're right MegaMan projectiles seem to have a lot of nuance to them, I wish I knew more about the game so I could talk more about em!

[@heyitsmort7744]

New Rishi, let’s go

[@arJunebugSmash]

HUH

[@Aidenkun64]

I don't mind projectiles... Is what I would've said before I played Ultimate.

[@TheRealPoeTassium]

Man your underrated af I just subbed and I’m going to binge watch a bunch of your videos later on

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thank you 😊

[@johnleecooper8520]

great video! Amazed at how seemlessly you switch between games without it being confusing too. Something I think is worth mentioning with charge cancels is that they're extremly useful for movement. being able to reverse direction with low lag ( with turnaround b in melee), or even momentum (with b reverse and wavebounce in later games) midair is something really key to how those moves ended up being used, though I'm not sure how intentional it was outside of pm/+.

[@arJunebugSmash]

I agree, I tried to touch on it a little but I definitely couldve got into more depth

[@matthewsachs6867]

I see a junebug video, I click on junebug video

[@ImCookieSparx]

Chargeshot is such a badass projectile, coming back to this video.

[@arJunebugSmash]

It really paved the way for so much

[@MrNioMoon]

You can charge Samus' nuetral B in the air in Ultimate now :'-)

[@arJunebugSmash]

Haha thank you, I do too 😭

[@mystery_1155]

this is a really fantastic production, junebug. i would like to use my comment to add a bit of depth to link's bombs in particular as having clear counter-counterplay options. they are timed detonations, meaning the window of time for the projectile to be used by link or used by link's opponent can be understood way more easily. it's not too much different in that they can catch it or send it back, but the element of choosing when to throw the bomb, and that forcing them into certain options, is unique to bombs on a timer!

[@SSB_Seal]

Great stuff as always, I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on all the main projectiles in the series! Personally I love that needles have a hurtbox LMAO it's so silly but it gives them a bunch of extra cool uses like inducing extra hitlag. Also 6:31 shoutout to Fiction's laserless Falco sets too, he did quite a few of them last year.

[@SSJPENGUIN]

As someone that'll enter every smash title that has a bracket running, I really enjoy how your videos touch on all of the games The other channels that do this often skim over PM

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thank you! Yeah I love PM so I feel like I may talk about it too much 😅 will need to get that Ultimate exp to be more well-rounded

[@XVINutkabob]

THE DUCKED HUNT I LOVE HIM This guy has two main projectiles with different game plans. The Barrel is a trap that can be hit by duck hunt to turn it And the Diskus is a simple haha multi-hit

[@MaxCoplan]

The Diddy talk was really interesting

[@raisin896]

i wish you had more subs. ur videos are really good. they entertain me alot.

[@tree2992]

Great video! I love the cross-game examples and clips from actual matches. Your depth of experience really shines through here. I do wish you went more in-depth about what makes a "bad" projectile, or an "unfun" playstyle. Certain games or characters get a lot more projectile hate, and I think it would be interesting to explore why.

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thank you for the kind comment and the suggestion. Yeah this was sort of meant to be a primer on the topic, but now that people are so interested, I feel like I need to make more videos about projectiles 😅

[@CheckerBonE]

3:02 when multiple npc's use the same animation

[@objectionable6693]

It always brings me joy to see PM mentioned in 2021

[@rac1equalsbestgame853]

The Brawl Pit clip was insane

[@themanicpineapple8772]

One of the things I actually really like about Ultimate is that they decided to take Charge Shot, which as Junebug mentioned, is pretty limited in terms of applicability, and changed it into something pretty nuanced and varied in its applications. I have a whole video about it on my channel, but the newest version of charge shot changes utility based on how long you keep it charged (ei: mid charge opens up for a ton of combos in the neutral, low charge is more of a quick neutral option since missiles suck in ultimate, and full charge can be used to confirm kills, and is a killer off stage). It's now far more that just a simple blue ball, which is cool to see given it's humble beginnings in the earlier titles. Great video btw Junebug--keep these coming!

[@arJunebugSmash]

Such a wonderful comment! Thanks, I def had so many comments about how I didn't understand charge shot in Ultimate (which to be fair I didn't have as robust an understanding I thought), and if I had to redo the Ultimate Samus bits, I may have put a larger emphasis on them in the Charge Cancel section. Glad you noticed the initial limitations of charge shot I presented and how depth can be added to a projectile by giving it more use cases. :) I'll have to check out your channel!

[@themanicpineapple8772]

@@arJunebugSmash The pleasure was all mine dude. I've started binging your content, and your analysis videos are seriously great. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you sink your teeth into next.

[@Uberjunge]

ty junebug this was a fun watch

[@Sweeper918]

10:42 6:16 7:52 Couldn't stop laughing at these

[@OlaAremu]

the ZOOOOOOOOOOM

[@lizardhero]

I really liked the subspace-esque intros to the items, dope vid

[@andypeoples7175]

Wow. Great video. You deserve more subs and views for the quality of this in my opinion

[@shiina4861]

always a treat to watch your content and analysis

[@kylecarlon6800]

Wolf laser :)

[@arJunebugSmash]

Literally so good the best wolf was like "alright guys maybe we should nerf this move"

[@kylecarlon6800]

@@arJunebugSmash I’m an honest dev :)

[@qwertz143]

another great arjunebug upload

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thank you Bhai

[@vvlaze]

The brief comparison to Street Fighter does make me wonder how a character who’s charge shot goes diagonally downward while airborne would play, like Akuma. I imagine there would be crazy stuff at ledge.

[@Kzar5678]

I love how every melee Link clip was Savestate. I LOVE Savestate's Link holy shit he does some insane stuff with him

[@metroid1117]

Maaaaaan this was an amazing watch. Great work!

[@windchimes8764]

5:10 *cries in Robin*

[@fcnelson8875]

The amount of hugs in this video pleases me

[@gusholtan4848]

Yo new june bug vid just dropped.

[@minizimi3790]

Great analysis

[@jemusandran1575]

Nice video, I think people should make more videos just talking about stuff, I find it really easy to just get into.

[@Indubitably_Pol]

I am not sure why, but ur content is as smooth as a nice hot cup of joe on a cold winter day. Appreciate your hard work.

[@SPIRE_FAN]

Great topic! You should totally make a sequel based around Fireballs. I think they are the perfect ambigous projectile for being fed information on how much your opponent respects and/or disrespects things in the match when the action is initiated.

[@aidanmcconnell5638]

I love the content that ties together multiple smash games!

[@hitboxcameron1416]

I saw the "Chip" gamertag, and was brought way back. Good times. Miss the PNW players I became a Smash player with.

[@MrBoingus]

I like this video very much. this kind of mechanical breakdown of mechanics that exist in other games, but have notable or unique distinctions in smash or other platform fighters. as someone eventually planning to make my own platfighter, I eat this shit up like fucking crack. also I love your voice SO much. It's soothing but distinct/noticeable enough that I don't accidentally phase it out. * subscribes eagerly *

[@muno]

awesome video!

[@rafaelblackman9879]

I think Mega Man’s metal blade is a great projectile because it’s also a multi-hit item. Metal blades play a key roll in mega man’s game plan for shield pressure, edge guarding, and kill confirms. No matter how it’s used, it’s always a multi hit, so the opponent can’t just shield it once and punish. They have to play around it just like any projectile mega man has. It can be thrown in multiple directions, which allows metal blades to cover different options. Plus in smash 4 it gave mega man access to glide tossing. Most importantly, metal blades aided in edge guarding and kill confirms/combos. Since mega man is a zoner, it’s important for him to have ways to kill up close, so metal blades give him plenty of ways to do so. Like footstool combos, linking into up tilt and up/down smash, and interrupting recoveries. However, it is an item, so the opponent can use it against mega man. But most people don’t know how to use it.

[@crazyarceus4617]

genuinely upset that i didn't find you sooner, great content!

[@MaxCoplan]

I love all the PM / P+ clips!

[@PurpleFreezerPage]

Good video essay

[@yaboi_burrus]

Great video, I’m a Junesub now

[@Sky-pt9dq]

Return of the Bug!

[@Jazardly]

at least there's one clip with pac-man at the end

[@bigblargh]

I like it when Junebug laughs :)

[@surfyswag]

Just the ramblings of a filthy zoner hahaha

[@dyll_pyckle]

This video was awesome!

[@25_Ciel]

YESSS LETS GO JUNEBUG UPLOAD

[@dylanh.3793]

I’ve always felt like projectiles should influence the flow of combat, not dictate it. Ult Samus charge shot and Melee Falco laser are so influential that it feels like the majority of the matchup is just playing around that one option.

[@arJunebugSmash]

Agreed, Falco laser is so strong that people had to develop extremely strong counterplay for it.

[@CogzillaOfDojima]

Projectiles are sick

[@Carra_Mello]

I couldn’t stop laughing when peach pulled out a gun 😩😂

[@rockyino99]

A few things you couldve mentioned is sticking projectiles such as pikmin and Sephiroth's side B. There's also explosive projectiles that go forward a distance then burst like some of heroes stuff and sephiroth neutral b. One thing you forgot to mention with items that makes the gameplay and gameplan more interesting if the fact when a character is holding an item they can't use aerials. This turns in techniques like z dropping bananas then catching the item with an aerial instantly after dropping it for pressure. Im not sure if its like this in melee but in ult peach is unique in that she can aerial while holding turnips which creates a new layer of pressure.

[@Peabnut]

I've been playing as megaman in smash for nearly 7 years. half of his moveset is projectiles and the way I've been able to use them in new ways over and over for 7 years is beautiful to me

[@Velumbra]

Fair and balanced if a little degenerate. Absolutely love turning matches into a bullet hell with Samus or Mii Gunner. People can call it cheese but a good player doesn't lose to some nerd going pew pew. Those who force Zoners like myself to actually play the game properly by consistently closing the gap and forcing close range fights have my respect. You guys make for super tense and fun fights.

[@sylvisorex]

WAKE UP BABE NEW JUNEBUG

[@gabrielcastejon7914]

Junebug seems like a pretty cool dude. I'll be cheering for him in the next Melee tourney he's at

[@equinox3861]

I mean you didn't say much about turnips besides the RNG aspect :/ like how they complement Peach's slow run speed by extending her range. The unique mechanic of turnips bouncing on shield. The depth added by Peach being able to hold turnips and do aerials etc.

[@arJunebugSmash]

I talked about more than RNG! I talk about how they're integral to specific matchups as Peach and non-existent in others. I didn't include bounce mechanics and FC aerials plus turnips though, that would have been good to include in a non-primer.

[@ashleyunderscorebl]

yoooo birdman wit da banana

[@InterloperBob]

I would nerf projectile hit stun and knockback across the board and rework the characters who rely on them too much.

[@ipsum2224]

I think b-reverse and wavebounce really help charge shot and it’s contemporaries in later games

[@farazjamil6687]

Good video, and good title. I like your voice its very comforting and chill.

[@rohanchabra6521]

The editing in this video is 10/10

[@arJunebugSmash]

Z is a Chad

[@TheApplesnacks]

This should be called Projectiles in Melee since that is all you really focus on.

[@arJunebugSmash]

honestly, "Projectiles in Smash (but mostly Melee)" was a working title turns out it's hard to cover projectiles in 6 different games across 2 decades and I need to make a sequel for this primer

[@Bladieblah]

Nice to see this pop up in my recommended, Mockrock made a video on projectiles (on zoners but mainly it was about projectile zoners) and it was (with all due respect) basically 20 minutes of complaining about zoning by someone who doesn't know how to deal with it. I like analysis content so I'm curious on your take on it

[@Parpeing]

1:48 is still the lowkey coolest popoff in smash history

[@yalebass]

nice man

[@crazygabe2000]

I was scared about what he was gonna say about Snake grenades, so happy he didn't put Snake mains like myself on blast for being carried by them 🤣🤣🤣

[@OniiChanPls]

You were up against chudat in that last clip. To beat dirty you gotta fight dirty

[@bartholomewthundercatiii3484]

2:03 Would like to add that it can also be used midair in Ultimate

[@browk2512]

you can use charge shot in the air in ultimate too

[@mjproject7072]

Gonna be honest, i like this type of quality content. Keep it up🙌

[@kaymarth368]

Your vids are fire

[@williamhowells806]

i think my only critique would be that you say in a game or engine that promotes running away as pretty much all smash games promote it quite strongly

[@arJunebugSmash]

Actually true lol

[@williamhowells806]

@@arJunebugSmash i can only be thankful not everyone is a sonic player. melee is blessed to be the last game without the blue bastard. :0

[@zatchiel]

13:22 I can't fucking breathe LMAOOO

[@crazyarceus4617]

my fav part is 6:14 lol

[@GameMasterWLC]

So good!

[@nobodysbusinezz]

this was sick!

[@CarbonMalite]

I miss previous games' projectile characters cuz they feel balanced usually. Ultimate projectiles can be described by asking "Why does Samus charge shot combo and kill and edge guard and help play neutral while DK charge punch is a melee attack that is barely better than his f smash"

[@jarroddobben]

Damn kinda sad you couldn't cover more specific variations of these archetypes, like light arrows or nades

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thinking I may do a sequel!

[@woodman4275]

@@arJunebugSmash I think a more in-depth sequel about projectiles would be dope, since there's a lot more wacky individual cases like light arrows and Pac's fruits.