Arknights: Endfield - PLAYERS ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE PITY SYSTEM?

[@Ak4set]

-120 vs 180/160 guarantee in other games - doesnt incetivise whaling due to guarantee being one time only -exposes ppl who cant control themselves as they want to get away with doing a 10 to see if they get lucky ( which is shit anyway since ur risking urself for losing the guarantee to a character that u REALLY want) "predatory" they say

[@DelosLogicc]

@@Ak4set so it's wrong for people to want characters? The only way a f2p can get characters when they are stacked back to back is to get "lucky" or wait for a rerun and those other systems don't completelt punish them for trying their luck. Arknights endfield's current system does not support that mindset in any way. You could get 119 6* and if God truly didn't love you that day none of those 6* are the banner unit you are summoning for.( which can feel way worse than doing 180/160 pulls). In hoyo games/wuwa atleast you know if get 2 5* at any point the 2nd 1 will be character you want. Also princess connect has similar system and does way better.

[@TakiGamesOfficial]

I’m way too spoiled by PGR and Nikke not having 50/50 mechanics

[@render0624]

I don't like 50/50 system except aether gazer In EA,if you lose 50/50,then your pity will not reset,u need 20 pulls to get 5*

[@RavenThe20]

Yeah got yesterday my first 3 golds in a row on scarlets bs banner…. No one was a pilgrim😅😅🥲

[@Zelarinth]

The problem is it makes no sense to pull unless you have the 120 pulls. many F2P like to make attempts on characters they want to see if they get lucky. If they dont then no big deal, it carries to the next banner. With this, you save until you have 120 and never pull unless willing to go to 120. Also it makes no sense to do 10 pulls because if you get the 6* on the first pull of the 10 pull, that 9 pity you just built does not carry over. for the 120. Statistically its better than many other gachas but it does mean you cannot pull on a character that you semi like to see if you get lucky but instead need to commit 120 unless you want to lose the built up pity. Too add, I am loving the game so far and will still play with this gacha system but I know many people will screw up there accounts but dumping 80 pulls losing the 50/50 and then waiting for the next banner.

[@randomperson4198]

Say that to blue archive, counter side , heaven burn red and maybe also limbus company

[@nastysoda9212]

NO SYMPATHY FOR WHALES

[@ayoo_wassup]

Its needlessly increasingly complicated. I would be cheering this if it carried over. Just lower hard pitty to 60, keep the 50/50, and let it carry over. The problem for me is you have to DRAGGGGG these companies over the line and they finally make a good change, but they find a way to poison it every time and make sure only their pinky toe makes it over the line

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@randomperson4198 do those games have this level of production and this level to maintain the game?

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@nastysoda9212 here some fun fact, the whale is the one keeping your favorite gamble game alive. Shocking right? I know.

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

This style of fixed hard pity can work depending on the pull income. Blue archive uses a 200 pull hard pity and has low rates with no earlier guarantees like a 50/50 on first 5 star. But you earn enough to get 200 pulls about every two months, so you just treat it as buying a character, and if you get them early it's a discount. It means the game is very stable and you can just select who you want, making it one of the lowest stress gacha. On the other hand, original arknights has a 300 pull pity system on it's limited banners and 300 takes like half a year to earn, meaning if you want to pull on the two limited banners and the colab banner, you basically can never rely on the hard pity frequently without paying a lot. It is thus a miserable system where one bad banner can wipe all your savings and you are punished for trying to pull on any non limited banners, especially with how meta most limiteds are.

[@randomperson4198]

Something people always forgot the part and only focus on the gacha itself is kind of funny. So far i find the rates is kind of fair. depends on the free pull and also the game itself whether u need alot of char or not also cant expect anyone to have all the char anyway since its a gacha game it is to be expeced to have some missing character without paying even in ak i dont even go to 300. The first time i did it 300 is because i want the other limited. So tbh so far is so good and the recent limited got in 18 in a 21 pull. and my friend got it on 60. Also i dont mind arsenal not being able to be converted. Its actually a plus for me now i got a reason to actually get weapons.

[@SmHariii]

what the??? first blue archive have 200 hard pity and no 50/50 that's true but what makes it not that bad is first that you can get a lot of pulls and there's a lot of banners for the unlimited that let you save for your wanted characters and second the rates is high unlike what you said the rates is 3% and what almost all gacha games rates is? the 3d like hoyo's is 0.6% and wuwa and endfield 0.8% and fgo 1% and arknights 2% , it's way higher than others and unlike what you said you can get every limited in BA as f2p , but endfield if you couldn't get 120 pulls in 1 banner you rely on low rates luck and guess what? if you get 10 6 star there's a chance you get a tecton treatment , they can improve it by just making there's a guaranteed after losing and let the 120 be bonus or make the 120 carryover it's easy , don't try to defend this stupid system its bad and we all know it

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

@ For BA, the overall 3 star rate is 3%, but the rate up rate is 0.7%, which is the same as FGO, which is infamous for it's very low rate up rates. The extra 2.3% is just off rate spooks, which is nice to fill out your roster with randoms, but doesn't help with the current rate up at all. What people really care about when pulling on a banner is the rate up, not random unlimited spooks. They are a nice addition, but not important, especially not for limited banners. So no, BA actual rate up pull rates are low for gachas overall, and you will have to go to hard pity very often in the game, as I have constantly. But since the hard pity is easy to reach, it's not a big deal. Unlike FGO or Arknights, were 300 pulls is very hard to reach due to low pull income.

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

@ For Arknights, I had fairly good luck for a long time, then specter alter's banner forced me to go all the way to 300, and my account savings took literally over a year to recover. I missed a bunch of limiteds I pulled on also, like mumu, Chongyue and Shu while trying to save back to having 300 in the bank. Overall, the 300 pity is a joke and the limited banners in Arknights are fairly bad all things considered due to their very slow pull income.

[@randomperson4198]

@@TheEmperorGulcasa Fair i have no problem in ak and ba In ba at worst i usually got it in 100 or 10 or 160 so the 200 i get the other one so tbh its not bad as well if u planned the pull as well. I do 10-60 pull on what i might want that is not limited and do huge pull on limited so. So basically coping to get any new character in other banner is my strat And in ak i just go first pity if i dont get it and rest hope i got it in stray pull So if endfield goes like this ill just apply the same strat its no biggie. Imo this is truly overblown reaction and are too spoiled with pity system that genshin and wuwa havem

[@Lord8-bits]

High pull currency, low pity rates, coin flip (industry standards), hard pity doesn't carry to next banner, you have to pull for characters to pull for weapons, hmm... 🤔 very confusing, on pusrpose I'd say.

[@tempota7792]

What a puzzling move, bc AK was 1 of the first and last on the market with truly generous rates AND simple mechanics. Now Endfield is drastically worse in every way.

[@jeremyyang4034]

​@tempota7792 its a completely different game here. So you cant comparing their generosity like that.. Endfield takes more money to build, of course they need more revenue for that. Its all business after all.

[@starryskyhighway9628]

pity is carried over but guaranteed DOES not meaning even if pity carry over, you will never get UP rate characters as guaranteed

[@DacianGradaMusic]

While it is not ideal, people are as usual over exaggerating. Rumors are most characters will go to standard after a few patches, so if we also get a standard selector that will mitigate the issue a lot. Then you have the pull economy: who says we can't easily get/farm those 120 as f2p? A 10-pull is 5k gems, it's clear that the gem income will be higher if you really want to compare to other games where pulls cost "less". They can definitely do better with the guaranteed carrying over and whatnot, but let's not pretend that if we are used to other games doing it one way, we immediately know how this one will do it too. As said before, the pull economy is different so it remains to be seen. But in the end, as one who actually got to play the game and not just speculate from the side, it has so many game modes, fun interactions and most importantly characters that are actually fun to play, even "weaker" ones, that it really doesn't matter who you get in the banners. I could easily just play the game without even pulling and still enjoy it a ton since the combat is secondary to the main unique point of the game: the base management. I hope people will at least try to make their concerns heard in a collected manner and not just "boo hoo, wuwa and genshin did this so you have to do it too". This is still probably the most polished beta I've seen in a long time, it's more like an early demo if anything; hopefully release is soon then! Hoping for June-July if not early 🤓

[@KABLAMMATS]

I hope people will stay until June 🤓

[@starryskyhighway9628]

true, as ridiculous as arknight gacha rate is 'most' meta character is standard character

[@NoctisStrife88]

​@KABLAMMATS does it release in June

[@NAi2004]

the problem is many complain Just because the guarantee is 1 time only. but they either forgot, ignore, or did not notice that in the current banner shown in many vid the banner for Levitan is labeled as rate up and those not have anything mentioning about the word "LIMITED" meaning it is highlikeyly that similar to arknights, endfield new character are usually standard and not limited. the only reason why gi, hsr, wuwa has guarantee after losing 50/50 is because the characters are LIMITED in the first place. thought the devs should still change it for better, like atleast adding a guarantee when losing 50/50, no need for the 120 pull guarantee to be carry over to others as that would be too much especially if the character are not limited, since they will always be available in other banners

[@radcat4317]

Sorry, that's the biggest wishful thinking take I heard regarding this so far. You, like everyone else outside of devs have literally no clue how "generous" the game will be, especially long-term. Claiming that Endfield will surely just give us 120 pulls every patch for free is pure conjecture. Your second paragraph could come up when looking up "copium" and "crying wojak mask". Please stop it, you're making yourself looking like a clown. However, if you want concerns voiced in collected manner, here you go: - 3 character rarities serve only to bloat the roster and diminish chances of getting featured 6* (the only thing people actually are pulling for on the banner) with another layer of RNG in the banner - early 5*/6* doesn't matter nearly as much, as the only time you're guaranteed featured 6* is at 120 pulls - featured 6* character pity not carrying over to next banner significantly reinforces FOMO - when taking into account Endfield's gacha rates, 3 rarities, RNG layering and hard guarantee at 120, it's not hard to notice that is made in way where most featured 6* drops will happen at 120 guarantee. That amounts to: - If we compare that to 2 most similar "big" gachas currently, Genshin and WuWa, then it's clear that Endfield character banner gives significantly better "worse case scenario" with 120 pulls instead of 180 or 160 in Genshin and WuWa respectively. - HOWEVER, this worst case scenario in both of those games pretty much never happens. What we have to look at is average 5*(6*) pity in long term. So it happens that i do have my own pulls archived on tracking sites for both Genshin and WuWa, both played since launch (Genshin up to early 5.3 when I quit). Average 5* in Genshin: 58 pulls, Wuwa: 51 pulls. Even with losing 50/50 constantly, it's still less than 120. Will Endfield end up better, worse or at same level? No one knows, game isn't even out and it will take at least several months before getting any sample big enough to be representative. The only real saving grace of Endfield gacha is the weapon system (esp. compared to Genshin), assuming they'll keep ability to gain tickets and weapon pricing consistend long-term after release. The biggest uncertainty that we don't know the actual value of gacha currency, because we don't know how much of it we'll be getting each patch and we don't know what will be the "shelf life" of the characters. And that is crucial information to know before concluding if 120 pulls for a character is a lot or not.

[@tranquilhearts6230]

Wuwa had the generous and straight to poin gahca system, why this AK make it to complicated.

[@unloyal4847]

@@tranquilhearts6230 money and knowing AK devs its not hard to imagine

[@Dmitrihson]

Only weapon banner. Char banner even worse - hard pity on 160

[@gigashill]

@@Dmitrihson Well guarentee does carry over in WuWa.

[@GokuSolosyourverse-gf3hv]

​@@unloyal4847True

[@doro.enjoyer]

@@Dmitrihson but the guarantee pity counter carries over in wuwa tho while in Endfield you lose that guarantee pity next banner if u did not reach 120 previously.

[@RazShape]

If you play PGR all other gacha pity and odds are shit.

[@taariqmoosa8200]

Kuro are just built different 😅

[@robbiesarkioglu]

Haven’t played in years but imo it was kinda bs because I felt like you constantly needed the membership it also feels bad when you have pvp game modes and really needed that 6* weapon and I lost that 80% weapon on multiple occasions too plus that’s not even including the cubes that were eventually added. That’s just my thoughts tho. (day 1 player btw)

[@P_Eve]

​@@robbiesarkiogluDay 1 player,I spend a lot of money on PGR,but I mainly pull weapon for attacker,but I can compete on hero warzone and achieve top 5% pain cage.not all construct need signature if you want all character with signature and CUB but don't want to spend money,that's on you because unlike HI3 where you need to compete against other player on Abyss you don't need to compete on PGR cause no matter what rank you got,you still get the same BC,but on HI3 you got crystal depend on ur Abyss rank. Not to mention meta characteron PGR can last for up to 3 year,if you know Rosetta, she's still meta character till now,and you know how many years it is

[@blueiru7351]

80 = 1 6* (this carry over to other LIMITED BANNER) 120 = 1 6* of said LIMITED CHARACTER (NOT carry over) So, what I understand is.... If i pull 60x and still not getting 6* and banner is gone. Next time I pull mean I have to pull 20x to get guaranteed 6* (50% normal / 50% limited char). BUT, to get the limited char that is bad. I need to pull 100 more. Why you ask? the 60x pull from the previous banner is not carry over FOR LIMITED CHARACTER. In the new banner, I pull 20x which mean the pull remaining for me to get LIMITED CHAR is 120-20 = 100. So if I'm not getting the LIMITED CHAR after wasting pull at previous banner. I'm fucked up. I will never think that at first 80x pull I will get LIMITED CHAR. That is why this system is somewhat bad for the worst case. This is my opinion after reading the banner details tho. Nothing fix before the game officially release. Have more copium for now. Peace.

[@pinnacle4697]

Your logic makes a lot of sense and clears many doubts it is a really good example. I honestly think they change this, if not it will be one of the most cleverly designed predatory gacha😢 for the non strategists and those with bad luck in general.

[@blueiru7351]

I think this system is the same with Tower of Fantasy gacha system

[@retokazene]

A correction, the character is not limited, you can get spooked by them from other banner

[@blueiru7351]

@@retokazene is it mentioned on the banner too? did i miss it? usually they show it in the banner details if said character will be added to the 6* general pool.

[@thatoneshadyguy_2529]

​@@blueiru7351 If they treat endfield like AK then yes, every character will end up on standard banner after their first banner ends And Limited characters will be the minority

[@ayoo_wassup]

They couldnt just lower it to 120. They HAD to poison the well with it not carrying over. Making an already complicated system even more needlessly complicated. This also ruins alot of the fun of these games. Because what makes gatcha exciting is doong random 1 or 10 pulls on a banner you need to skip but you would LIKE a chance. You always get to test your luck, and sometimes it pays. If you do it right. You DONT loose anything. In this system. The best play is to NEVER pull unless you can garuntee the 6 stsrt THAT PATCH. now as a player you feel like shit for pulling. So it destroys the fun. I wasted 160 pulls on carlotta. Got absolutely reamed. Then did 10 pull for zezhi and immedietly got a 5 star. I LOST that 50/50. But that made UP for the fact carlotta reamed me and now im sitting on a garuntee and 130 pulls. I would have never done that otherwise. Over the long run this system is better for consistant results. But its structure in a way that makes pulling FEEL WORSE. thats the priblem. Just make it carry over. Stop nickle and diming and just make a good change without finding a way to ruin it i swear

[@mickeysuski8367]

Thanks for the breakdown.

[@vivoresu]

As an og Ak player whats really feels scummy are the rates In og Ak its 2 % for a 6* so it actually feels possible to get earlys The impression that I and many veteran Ak players have is that the whole gacha system got purely changed for the worse

[@awsomesauce_licker]

i've already watch some videos about the gacha system. from what i see on the comment section, people who usually defend the gacha system tend to be og ak players, while those who dislike it are not og ak players

[@Berlan_NRML]

Yeah but on 70 pull 6star rate is up to 25%, thats fine

[@erudoritchi2872]

Have you ever thought about 3D models? Animations? Effect? 2d game is easy

[@3lueBerryZ]

​@@erudoritchi2872and how is that related to the subject at hand? hg put up high quality 3d trailers for the limited banner every 6 months anyway, plus a concert every year so i don't think they're short on money.

[@seanwang7239]

This is such a bad comparison. The effort needed ti create a 3d character is so much more than a simple chibi with like 5 animations. No shit the 3d character is going to be more expensive.

[@Kuddochan]

Basically you can't safely pull on any banner unless you have 120 pulls, and you have no good strategic choice trying 50/50 on any character or building pity at all. It's 120 or nothing, otherwise the risk is far too high. It's boring, removes any sort of reasonable player choice, and is quite predatory in general. Also only having one guarantee per banner is terrible for whales and anyone wanting to pull dupes.

[@Dmitrihson]

"Oh, my dupes!" Just reminder for everyone(whales included) - you doesn't need dupes in Arknights. Even in Endfield, yes.

[@mementos01]

Most valuable comment so far, thx a lot

[@unloyal4847]

People are coping if they're saying the gacha system on the game is good, Enfield, instead of improving it seems to be devolving lmao.

[@fiyindk7367]

While in original Arknights six star guarantee around 50-60 pull it is not always the actual banner unit. Always 50/50 not guarantee. It took them a long time before they added a 300 guarantee on limited banner in Arknights without spending spark (which has it's own mileage system) And after 150 pulls the next six star you get is guarantee the actual unit. I made a suggestion that they should make the mileage universal like in nikke at which is more f2p friendly. So if you summon on other banners you can save it for limited. I got told off that the game is F2P friendly because there's a three stars unit clear on KZbin which requires you to follow it to the letter. Lmao. This argument doesn't work on CC stages. 😅.

[@potasticfeii1241]

Thats what an echo chamber environment does to you. Imagine getting mad over people wanting a better system

[@ammarshamsul1217]

Tbf, this system is very close to original arknights (collab banner) where theres a guarantee at 120 so most ak players should not be that mad about it. Regular pity still carries, it's just still 50/50. Hsr is better for guarantee every other banner with 160, while endfield is the same banner with 120.

[@unloyal4847]

@ It being closer to arknight is a bullshit argument and you know it. This game is new and it has x amount of years to learn and atleast make a better gacha system than what we have now, its stupid. Like I said, its evolving backwards.

[@kimyun8797]

Devolving? How? It’s literally the Arknights Gacha system.

[@0kunalboro0]

This is pretty bad. That 120 pity means you can theoretically get an early 6*, like at 20, and lose the 50/50 then another at 40, and lose 50/50 again, and only get the guarantee at 120. This reminds me of sword of convallaria

[@uptoyou6734]

Atleast the character not dupe reliant (for now)

[@0kunalboro0]

@uptoyou6734 yes they are not reliant on dupes, but I'm not talking about that, all I'm saying is you can lose every early 50/50 till you hit 120 and get the guarantee rate up character

[@uptoyou6734]

@0kunalboro0 i see, I don't play SoC so I don't understand clearly. But I saw kyostiv video he managed to hit double six star and get leviathan. (If you say it true then he win 50/50). Did you have or found proof about your comment? (If not just wait for CBT 2 or dev announcement)

[@0kunalboro0]

@@uptoyou6734 the game says you are only guaranteed rate up 6* at 120, you can either get the rate up 6* earlier or you can lose every 50/50 till you hit 120. And if he won the 50/50 that just means he got lucky and that's what i meant. You either get lucky and get the rate up 6* earlier or lose every 50/50 till 120. And if you get the rate up 6* earlier, your guarantee is gone.

[@itsallinthepast2944]

​@@uptoyou6734its clearly stated the 50/50 of 80 pity doesnt guarantee you the rate up after losing....only way get rate up is 120 which only happen 1 time/banner

[@azureclipse70]

Arknights community is now same like genshin, always blindly praise hg despite what they give is worse than many gacha games. 2025 and pity still not carry over. I just let market decide whether Endfield will success or not especially with current saturated market.

[@maj0ga.]

These are the two main issues I have with the system: 1. Going off your example of getting 75 pulls in before banner change. This means in worst case scenario with the rollover you'd have to do 50/50 twice, once at 5 pulls in and again at 85, then your guarantee at 120. Its bad in the sense of losing two 50/50s in a row on the same banner before even getting the banner character would feel real shitty. HOWEVER, its a good thing if you go into this with 120 pulls expecting worst case scenario of going full pity as it is cheaper in comparison. As f2p, only go for this if you know you can reach the 120 mark. 2. Other issue is on the weapon system you're going to get more pulls in the worst case scenario above making the weapon pulls its best case scenario. Worst case scenario for weapon pulls is if you get that 6 star limited character on first 10 pull, getting that weapon is very slim requiring you do more character pulls. At least that's how I'm understanding it?

[@ricecola9609]

I'm glad people are acknowledging it, I've been tslking with other people and they seem fine with it just because its less pulls for a garuntee than other gacha games. If they have the pity carry over while also putting characters in the standard pool it should be fine for the most part and allows players to fall back on their garuntee if their luck happens to just be ass. I'm concerned with how many people overlook that part and put down complaints about that part because thats how you get communities like Genshin Impact where well made criticisms are put down.

[@Sello_mm]

Its crazy how easy it is to see in the comments which people started gacha games with hoyo titles. Image their reaction when they see how it is in other gacha. Still tho improvements are always a good thing so theres still a chance for the better.

[@vyx_the_grole]

People also gloss over the fact that it never says limited banner but rate up banner. They are just used to hoyo and wuwa system they just take for granted they will be limited. But probably it will be just like og ak, so units go to the standard pool after their rate up banner. Meaning that even if you lose 50/50 it isn't absolute shit like in genshin or hsr. Could still be better? Yeah, i think they could still tweak some stuff. But it isn't as terrible as many think. Again, it is that people are too brainwashed by the hoyo system they just assumed they will be limited units.

[@ryusawakenji3469]

@vyx_the_grole when people see "Rate up banner"...OMG it is limited chara but in OG AK it is just yeah new chara banner lol.the TRUE LIMITED banner of Arknight are the Seasonal banner (CNY,Summer,Half Anniv,Anniv) and i am sure as hell Endfield will be using this method too cause it is work well with them for fcking 5 years and counting.Sure they can tweak a bit about this "rate up banner" chara system either in pity or how easy to get currency, i mean it is still CBT1,ain't no way they will release the game after CBT1,they still need at least 1 CBT again before release to take up a suggestion from CBT1.People can be concerned,but direct that concern to the CC or someone that have CBT1 access to give suggestion about this to the dev not bandwagoning everyone to start spreading hate toward the game.Honestly shaking my head seeing all of this people

[@themangaboi4969]

The real question is, can you produce the gacha currency? In the OG Arknight, you can make them when you have the resources. Basically more pulls for free just by doing the factory. Can you make a video about the factory mechanics?

[@itsallinthepast2944]

It doesnt matter if you can produce gacha currency....problem is how mcuh you get per patch

[@themangaboi4969]

@itsallinthepast2944 I don't understand why is it not important that if we can or not produce the currency ? If we can produce say about 2 to 4 pulls in 24 hours depending on the factory, and dailies from mission and other stuffs maybe is the same as other gacha games, which is already more then what genshin can get per updates

[@themangaboi4969]

@@itsallinthepast2944 to add on the facts, take genshin and star rail for example, No monthly pass you get 60 jades or primo, with monthly you get 150. One pull for those games are 160. So let's take endfield next, if the factory can produce currency like Arknight does, That's 20 currency per 30 minutes for producing and trading it and we need 500 per pulls. You only need the resources to keep them going after you have completely level up your characters. I'm pretty sure with this in mind, you will have enough to get 120 pulls for the characters you want. If you skip one of them. The rate up character will go into the standard banner like arknights does

[@itsallinthepast2944]

@@themangaboi4969 because if they dont do it they will replace it with event that give those pull anyway. And what really matter again as i said is how much they give pull each patches regardless with those permanent currency production the publisher will still count and decide how much pull player get each update

[@Iv9919]

​@@itsallinthepast2944"how many pulls do we get per patch??" Game: potentially has a way to craft the free currency "That DoESn'T MAttEr" God u fucking hope you tourists stay the hell away from this game, and arknights in general

[@claidheamhsoluis3044]

I just hope Azur Promilia won't have these problems if it beta tests this year

[@darkcastle85]

Pity not carrying over is already a red flag

[@KABLAMMATS]

Do you understand their system or do you just focus on the word pity?

[@huyle-ob8rg]

@@KABLAMMATS Yes, because it heavily depends on how much the game gives you currency and your pull management. if they gives a lot of pulls, then pity isn't that much to worry about like arknights. If they don't, then you have to skip a lot of characters to get 120 pulls, winning 50/50 is a luxury.

[@itsallinthepast2944]

​@@KABLAMMATSthe 50/50 is carries over but you will never guarantee rate up,he must mean the 120 one

[@doc4089]

What i don't understand is how is it that when you hit 120 summons why is ut 40 for the next 6*? Since you have to summon the unit at 120 not exchange it doesn't that reset the counter back to 80 more summons?

[@randomperson4198]

My guess is the pity of 120 is a spark system like blue archive so each 80 u get pity and on 120 u can just exchange it The difference is ba doesn't have pity it use spark system and the spark does not carry over

[@doc4089]

@@randomperson4198 yea I get that but there is no sparks shown on the banner just a counter

[@cybercv05]

​@@doc4089It's not. Basically every 80 pulls guarantees you a 50/50 (assuming you didn't pull a 6* early). This pity transfers. The guarantee is after 120 pulls on that banner. Guarantee does not carry over. The guarantee is not part of your 50/50 pity. So let's say you are extremely unlucky and reached 80 pulls to 50/50. Regardless if you get the char you want or not, you don't need to reach another 80 to get a chance at banner character. You're guaranteed to get banner character in 120 pulls regardless of your pity. Assuming you didn't reach the guarantee for whatever reason (let's say 39 pulls) the guarantee doesnt transfer to the next banner, so you still need to do another 120 pulls for a guarantee BUT your 50/50 pity transfers. So you start at 39 pity on next banner.

[@randomperson4198]

@@cybercv05 oh its like the recent arknight limited change huh where if u hit 120 just claimed it?

[@FYoshi15]

Honestly it is too early to judge, but if they make pity carry over then everyone wins, and I doubt a niche game can afford not being generous

[@kkurston]

Pretty much only pull when you have hard pity guaranteed for this current gacha system. That way the worst case scenario is that you get 1 rate up 6* with 120 pulls or multiple within 120 (best case) Planning and saving your pulls is the way.

[@xBLEVx]

More like, if you get rateup on first 10 pull, you just stop pulling then and only need to rebuild 10 pulls to be at 120 again. Or however many pulls you use before winning 50/50.

[@huyle-ob8rg]

@@xBLEVx unless it hits 50/50 sooner than you expected and now unless you have enough to 120th pull or lucky enough, you pretty much wasted all the pulls you spent.

[@xBLEVx]

@@huyle-ob8rg They mentioned multiple within 120, as if you save 120 and do all 120 even if you win early. I was saying if you win you can just stop then and have less saving to do.

[@DelosLogicc]

The gacha system is stupid because because there is no guaranteed to way to max out a limited character regardless of whether having the dupes make a difference or not. From what I've seen from people doing gacha pulls and what makes the systems even more shit is that, your first 6* is not even guaranteed, you HAVE to reach the 120 mark or get lucky. if you win the 50/50 you lose the 120 pity counter and have to resort to 50/50s to gain any more copies. I watch someone get a double 6* pull and their first 6* was not the banner 6*, meaning your first 6* is not guaranteed and is a 50/50 until you hit the 120 mark and i watched another person get the banner unit in their 1st pull and lost their 120 pity counter. Honestly the system would be better if it worked like wuwa/genshin/hsr where its the instance of the 5*/6* occuring that matters and not the pity itself. Meaning that if I'm guaranteed a 6* in 120 then make the first instance of getting a 6* the banner unit and if you want to be shady with how dupes are obtain ill let whales argue over that as long as it doesn't become a requirement to play the character. The idea behind the weapon gacha is interesting cause you summon characters and if you are unlucky enough you can always get 6* weapon of your choice from my understanding. But i wish games would stop with this whole weapon gacha shit ong, I rather just need to farm for gear than need to care if i want a character and their signature weapon that will only ever be used on that 1 character, worse if i have to skip multiple characters i would have also liked to make that investment or open up my wallet. another personal problem (would love to know if others agree ) is that i wish games didnt resort to having large numbers for their 10x pulls, i like games like the hoyo games with 1.6k per 10x pull and Princess connect with 1.5k . Those big number create the illusion of having alot when you really dont and i dont like that honestly. Having 50k oroberyl feels like you have alot until you realize its just 100pulls while 16k gems in say hsr/wuwa/genshin makes you feel like you dont have too much but its also 100pulls. i rather the latter than the former but that's probably just me.

[@randomperson4198]

Wait the 120 is not spark?

[@vyx_the_grole]

There is also the possibility the characters are not limited though. Og ak worked like that. And they say RATE UP BANNER not LIMITED banner. Also some people say that the surveys make you understand that the characters are not limited, meaning after their rate up ends they will go to the standard banner pool with the others. So while i think it could be fixed if it is like this it isn't as horrible as people say. People think it is because they are too used to the system genshin popularised, and so imply that endfield will also have limiteds. But for now it seems like instead the limiteds will prolly be just for anniversaries etc.

[@itsallinthepast2944]

​@@randomperson4198its spark just you dont have the item to claim...it will claim automaticly

[@randomperson4198]

@@itsallinthepast2944 i see no problem then

[@DelosLogicc]

@vyx_the_grole I never played og arknights but from what you are saying it sounds like epic sevens gacha system but worse. Princess connect has a similar gimmick where you pity doesnt carry over however you don't lose your guaranteed pity and also it has higher rates. Another thing common between epic seven and princess connect is that gacha currency is very available in those games. Epic seven is pvp based and if you are smart and lucky you can net a very strong income as f2p. When I last played there was a shop that you could infinitely reset without an increase in gems that let buy gacha pulls into with ingame gold which could net way more pulls than buying the pulls directly. Princess connect as a new player you have so many sources to get pull currency it's insane + they give new players a 3day access to a banner with the most broken units in the game with a decent 3* rate up(3* is the highest base rarity from gacha but you can make a unit 5* with dupes). So you can have amazing start on Princess connect if grind alot in those first 3 days. Arknights endfield chose to go a very weird and stupid route imo. Arknights Endfield imo has some of the best 3d models on the market imo I'd say better than Gf2,Wuwa and any hoyo game. So it very sad that they go and do something stupid when they could have just copied something that already worked. Princess connect and epic seven have similar systems where not every unit is limited but their gacha systems are infinitely better so I really hope that HG changes this system so Endfield can do well

[@TheIsahata]

Next banner, the 120 guarantee reset from 0 each time There is no building pity on that counter. Also if I actually read the system correctly, after you pull the 120 to get the guaranteed 6* you gonna reset the 80 soft pity counter as well, meaning the next 6* is still gonna need 80 pulls after that in that banner (total 200 pulls) Whales get cooked on this one 😂 since it's gonna be 50/50 each time after the first guarantee Non-savers also gets bonked cause it's 120 pull or bust Such an Unfun system tbh, they should have kept the guarantee after losing 50/50 AFTER the initial 120 guarantee 😢 and like ToF (Tower of Fantasy) they could have kept the counter for the next banner instead of resetting it each time

[@MCrknight777]

Idk i personally like being able to throw 40 on a banner in WuWa (even ones that i dont really want) if i win, hey early 5 star; if i lose, hey i have a guarantee of a character i actually want. The guarantee not carrying over is my biggest grip.

[@Zelarinth]

yep, you dont pull unless you want them and have the 120 pulls to get them, no trying to get lucky on units.

[@unloyal4847]

@@MCrknight777 yeah same here which is why I don’t get the morons defending this shit, then again its AK players sooo.

[@TANGER840]

​@@unloyal4847literally, ak players think they are like some kind of elite in the gacha market when they are just as dumb as any other gacha game player. They always get the asshole ripped by their gacha in og ak and then they want to give class to others about what is good or bad

[@randomperson4198]

Tbh if they have same system like ak and ba where every character thrown to standard i wont complain since that means i eventually get them soon or later i would get them. like i could just start splurging on limited. I mean that's how i play ak and i almost got all the character missing like 3old char and bunch of limited since i didn't olay at the time

[@huyle-ob8rg]

@@unloyal4847 exactly, They keep comparing to arknights and praise endfield but didn't mention how higher the rate up in arknights and how much pulls you get. And that's before Endfield makes how many characters that are limited or non limited.

[@nashjewels3961]

As a long-term FGO player, this is miles better😅😅😅 Not saying good, but better

[@NoctisStrife88]

Man fgo rates and summoning is pure hell

[@nashjewels3961]

@NoctisStrife88 Feels just at home 🤣🤣

[@minhsangle9210]

people not realize that this game dont have limited banner, every character will go to standard banner after their banner end so you can lose 50/50 to them in the future banner, this answer in survey

[@RinrinFran]

Yeah, saving as f2p will be hard unless they give enough per patch which I am pretty sure that ain't happening.

[@tenshionslifer3031]

Someone saying just save 120 for good measure is really coping , like sure but what's currency per month are we talking about, they had to give like 50 pulls per month (can't include main story rewards, cuz that can't keep up and will run up/so just monthly/weekly/character progression, etc). And need to considering how often the patches update, is it quarterly?

[@RinrinFran]

@@tenshionslifer3031 It still depends on them, I can be a mintpi- grinder since the combat of this game is good enough for me to last for a while. ED: I am definitely coping here 'cause just like mmo players, I am desperate for more gachas with fun combat.

[@sw4gsmile595]

If they are following the gacha currency obtainment like arknights We would have dailies and weeklies And a weekly annihilation

[@RinrinFran]

@@sw4gsmile595 That'd be neat if they put the good QoLs in Endfield too.

[@Gooseth_]

dailies gives you 400 oroberyl and 1month of doing dailies can get you 24 pulls

[@rein5114]

That literally what ToF system right? 80pulls for 5star, then if not just do 40 more to reach 120 and exchange in shop. Except there is no shop right?

[@beexiong6107]

Sort of but tower banner doesn't reset until u hit 80 pulls so early 5star is a +

[@huyle-ob8rg]

Which is not a good thing.

[@shinigami0288]

The 100% guaranteed is 120 vs 160 on other hoyo game

[@nest2216]

but the problem is this pity is only once per banner that mean if you want to gets dupe it will always be 50/50 that's sucks for people who want to pull for dupes

[@Michael-ur4nt]

the problem is in Genshin I can guarantee the 50/50 on the next banner if I lose on this one. On Endfield I cannot.

[@manyblock4192]

I think more like WHALE not happy And I agree as f2p because they keep game alive, u should think about them too

[@potasticfeii1241]

You see the difference is, if I lose 50/50. I can guarantee the next one in 70+ pulls. I can save that for the next banner. In AKe its 120 or nothing.

[@sw4gsmile595]

​​@@Michael-ur4nt 120 is the guarantee 6* rate up If your talking about getting a copy of the rate up 6* after the 120 guarantee yeah it's all 50/50 hell but the dupes are just minor stat increase

[@hirumi4617]

Honestly it depends on how much f2p gem you can get each week or month to judge whether it's bad or not.

[@doro.enjoyer]

The only saving grace is if the currency we get every patch consistently is high enough to compensate. Because if not then FOMO is strong in this game I fear lol

[@Squashua2727]

Fomo for a single copy of the character is intense, but also it seems you'd be insane to try to max dupe a character with no garauntee that you ever could - so at least fomo only encourages you to pull one copy I guess?

[@thatoneshadyguy_2529]

If it's like AK, 95% of the characters will just move to the standard banner. The FOMO while it exists isn't like Genshin where you could potentially not have banner for that character for over a year

[@baiqazora73]

i have no problem if its goes to BD2 route basically daily/weekly mission only gives you so little, but event gives PLENTY as f2p on BD2 i maxed dupe all limited characters and collab, while only non meta standard character that has minimum dupe ( i do have em all atleast 1 copy). will see what gonna happen on release, games looks fun tho and eye catching

[@oblongquestion]

the math: wish 119 (66 pity + 53 wishes) missed 50/50. next banner another missed 50/50 after 13 wishes (53 from last banner + 13 for 66). how many wishes for guarantee 6 star? 54. why? because you had 53 from last banner +13 this banner and hard pity is a total 120 each banner. 120-53-13=54.

[@ChaosRune]

The gacha rates and pity system is really not doing any favors to the game, everyone and they dog are copying this system

[@okitaluc]

Tbh going against the current standards of the market is the concerning part raising a red flag for me (Why?). If the chances were higher than 0.8% we could cut some slack but it's the same as WuWa I value guarantee carrying over and "if you lose the first 50/50 the next is guarantee" very high (many times lost the 50/50 early which brought the hard pity down). On endfield if you don't want to be wasteful you will pull one at time and only if you have 120 ready with their system (who the hell wants to pull one at a time?) also early loss on the 50/50 means nothing, meaning they are dead set on more people hitting their hard pity (120)

[@pilu4242]

So lets say I get a non banner 6* character in 10 pulls and then after another 80 (total 90) pulls I can still lose 50/50? So i can keep losing 50/50 until 120 hard pity?

[@awsomesauce_licker]

from my understanding, the answer is yes.

[@randomperson4198]

Yeah basically but if the standard is constantly being filled i dont see that as a bad thing since that mean i get more chance to get new other characters

[@pilu4242]

@randomperson4198 in this term, Yes. But when you start to get dupes of charaters you dont want you will start to see the problem. The more there is character, the harder it gets to get a certain character. Look at blue archive, the standard pull is so big that getting new characters are not easy. Still if they at least change the 120 pity to carry over i will see this as a W

[@mahdibd]

​@@randomperson4198it's a big problem for early days endfield. Dupe system is shit, and you can keep losing 50/50 multiple times in a row to 6star you already have

[@randomperson4198]

@@mahdibd well i heard some people say that dupes are like arknight where the change are so minor that it doesn't matter.

[@DeswaraAssan]

gambling addicts when you can get guaranteed for less effort:

[@stuntkid1870]

120 guaranteed is better than wuwa. Soft pity starts at 65. Weapon banner free unlike wuwa, where you could either pull for character or weapon. Character banner gives you only characters unlike wuwa where you mostly get useless weapons. Pity carries over , guarantee not. Character rate could be better. So it is not better or worst than wuwa , it's just different. Little reading comprehension doesn't hurt.

[@aawsome69]

It's just beta and thete isn't enough characters yet to guarantee a 6* on first pull. Also the daily and login rewards seems fair as it guarantees 20 free pulls monthly.

[@randomperson4198]

Tbh that's sound terrible with the 0.8 rates if that's the amount. Even if u win 50/50 u are left 40 which is a 1/3 of what u saved While in ak in the 60 u get 5 chance to get it early so u can left 4/5 if u get early so even if u compared to their own game. Here for same comparison 10/30 24/30 -(6/30*every fail) And u got around 5 6* compared Endfield 1½ rarest Tbf arknight is 12 team game so u will need the extra 5 6* So depending on the gameplay it might be better so who knows also im not watching any endfield game test since im too lazy and i prefer playing it myself

[@biolucker4245]

Havent played the game but as far as i read the opinions, the gatcha sounds similar as the Epic7, 120 for guaranteed pity and banners don't carry the pity, but also the dupes only give minor stat increase, meaning 1 dupe is much more "value" as a bunch of dupes for constellations. Seems fine to me

[@kyori75]

This game is a must play! Every 10 pulls guarantee at least a gold reward!!!

[@Taz-111]

Until you realised gold or 5 star characters are actually 4 star in this game and 6 star are the real 5 star, other games have that 4 star guarantee in 10 pulls too.

[@Power-tj8uy]

same method as i usually do, i dont pull, just saving

[@Xandlerz]

the pity and also, the fact u cant carry over the pity for the next banner is a nightmare for me xd

[@starryskyhighway9628]

AK always been this way and there is no 120 guaranteed before and they add on endfield now. what people are suprised for like its not been there for years haha

[@Waku491]

man the way the banner system works makes want to be a bit more stingy with my pulls since there is no way guarantee the banner character unless i go for the 120. They made it more complex than needed, for some people the way the banners work dictates whether they play the game in the first place, hoyo and kuro more or less set the standard on how this types of gachas/banners work.

[@Ripperdingo69]

Its just GFL 2 gacha system but without the stupid weapons lol what matters to me is not the pity system but how much currency will you get for pulls monthly as F2P

[@aquilafavolia9936]

Theres a roguelike game mode that gives you a whooping 5k wp currency per week (6 issue of weapon pulls per month) though i dont know if they will nerf it after the release

[@randomperson4198]

​@@aquilafavolia9936u sure its 5k? Or is it its a first time reward that's sound a bit much for free pull

[@deadjokerz7445]

Wait so this worse than old A9 or better? I remember almost Uninstall A9 after saving 300~400+ pulls for W but ended up got nothing and have to trade her from the exchange shop

[@windows7877]

This gacha system is trash, espessially compared to Arknights. They just went with hoyo system which i will never accept and wont be playing the game if gacha system doesnt change. 0.8% for 6 star unit is fucking abbysmal and i will never be okay with it. Going to pity in gacha game just feels bad, espessially if you are not lucky and that is the case on every banner. Petty much the reason i quit all gacha games with this trash system.

[@5342-i4u]

So it’s basically 120 or nothing. Not a single more, not a single less. Seems like they are targeting hard on low spender or dolphins (depending on currency income)

[@stuntkid1870]

Have you ever played gacha. Soft pity starts at 65. Wuwa guarantee is at 160

[@5342-i4u]

@ What are you even on about? 120 is the guaranteed and it’s not even wuwa.

[@solfireflame]

snowbreak banner still the best

[@seanwang7239]

If, you are a f2p player who never pulls for dupes, this system is definitely not as bad as everyone is saying. 120 hard pity is alot less than other gachas and they get put into the 6 star pool later which means that players will eventually get alot of the 6 stars that they didn’t initially pull for. Not to mention you get the weapon for free if you hit hard pity. That being said the gacha makes the pulling experience itself extremely boring and rigid. You are basically forced to only pull when you have 120 tickets. Not to mention pulling on a banner where you only want the 4 or 5 star becomes extremely unsatisfying since it wont contribute to the hard pity of your next 6 stars.

[@tdof7217]

The players are GREEDY

[@danieltanamal6195]

If you don't happy,it means you don't understand how gacha system works in Endfield

[@SaffetHocamiz]

how do you join the beta?

[@jettlatoo781]

So many other gachas like Blue Archive and Counter Side have this mechanic yet nobody complains about it. This isn't a big deal at all.

[@jettlatoo781]

In fact i would argue how much better of a system this would be, meaning its either you get the guaranteed character in less than 80 pulls OR 120 pulls at worst.

[@huyle-ob8rg]

@@jettlatoo781 yeah it depends on how much the game gives you. I haven't played BA but counter sides not only gives you so much stuff but they also gives you a lot of freebies units and awk units (depends on which server). If endfield gives you enough pulls then you don't have to worry about the pity too much. If endfiled doesn't, then I wouldn't have half of my characters in hsr ACC due to guaranteed safety.

[@Noaxid]

Weapon system is pretty good for me you can get 6 *weap for free if you pull for a long time . Like every gacha other lower tier weapons are good enough so getting better one for free is nice ! Unit banner tho is hoyo system all over again ...

[@P_Eve]

Why is it so hard them to make carry on pity,been following Arknight since launch and as far as i love Arknight,dev always ignore global player

[@shinwa9230]

In og Arknights, you can farm gacha currencies. You cant do that in Endfield? If it farmable, gacha is the last of your problem, because hard pity in og Arknights is 300

[@fallenqiqi4840]

it feels like the same as tof

[@melonter7994]

it is good if they give you average ~100 roll per patch it is bad it they give you lower than that.

[@the_anonymous6366]

It is understandable to want the 6 star rate-up guarantee to carry over to other LTO banners. Like if you really and i mean REALLY want that character, that's unfortunate but hey, prays to hoping you lose the 50/50 in the next banner and get laevatain over there after this banner goes away. I wonder how many complaints there will be once the limited banners start appearing and will most likely also not be carrying over it's guarantee. So most likely I think this'll be where whales, will be going all in, instead of the LTO banners in endfield because who's going to be whaling for the "standard banner characters" anyway. It would be really funny though to get spooked by laevatain in a limited banner after said whaling for them though. Well i do hope they will give a free 10 pull when banner drops and one free single pull everyday til the banner goes away like they do in OG AK. Also it's quite nice that you won't need to spend the pulling currency on the weapon banner though because you'll just be getting the pull currency from the character banners and also like when you go at 9:40, you'll be just buying the 6 star weapon instead of gambling it and it resets in like 8 days in the timer, albeit it isn't the current banners 6 star weapon but hey there's like 4 anyway so take you're pick on what you'll be gambling on but 3 are permanent so it might be incentivized to pull for the timed one , it is 25/75 so do take that into consideration for all of the weapon banners.

[@seink9163]

Asuna Tickets? ;p

[@ddean1]

I don't know what people are not understanding. The traditional 50/50 80 pity DOES CARRY OVER. The newly added system guaranteed 6* limited character at 120 pity does not carry over. Imo, it sucks that winning 50/50 at 80 pity remove 120 pity of that banner.

[@randomperson4198]

Does the dupes even have crazy buff like genshin or just minor stuff like arknight. I dont see any reason for being hated if dupes barely change anything

[@purepure8950]

Yeah but then if you want more copies y of the 6* youre screwed

[@phatasm6351]

That is why when AK players themselves said that their banner system is good are literally coping to the max. Look at the mess that Endfield has brought to their gacha system. The devs thought just cos everything is "doing well" on AK they think they can pull these stunts in Endfield thinking that it's 2019. No one wants to wait till the 120th pull to see if they can get an SSR. Furthermore the 120th pull pity doesn't carry over to the next banner is utter nonsense. For all you beta players out there y'all better feedback about their lousy gacha system cos if they don't fix it, the game is dead upon arrival.

[@phantomblade89]

arknights gacha better then wuwa and genshin combine.

[@erudoritchi2872]

Man just dont play 😂😂 you guys dont read, heck i dont even think you can build the AIC until people make guide for you

[@phatasm6351]

@@phantomblade89 sure keep telling yourself that 🙄

[@phatasm6351]

@@erudoritchi2872 your point being? work smart. not be a dumb individual who spends countless hours tryna make sense of garbled text which unfortunately for you happens to be the latter 🤷🏻

[@thatoneshadyguy_2529]

There's 2 parts to it The pity (80 and it transfers) and the guarantee (120 does not transfer) You will still be getting 6 stars even if you don't roll 120 pulls every banner

[@blobbbbby1715]

No carry over pity huh. Sounds like Pokemon Masters then.

[@meguri6424]

Rip f2p this is worst than hoyo games that really greedy

[@R-R07]

Dooods and shitty pity ? Paaaasss

[@FabzP96]

WuWa really has spoiled us, lol

[@daebaksiot5154]

idk why people confused abt this😂

[@jackhammer463]

Another shitty gatcha system. Is that hard to give us 100% banner like in Snowbreak?

[@fiyindk7367]

It's not that. At least give the ability to carry over pity.

[@levikekman5979]

Yeah snowbreak has pgr system

[@veesatriani8546]

easy boii, just make sure u can hit Hard Pity before pulling :v

[@veesatriani8546]

this one actually good since on the other games u need around 160pulls for Hard Pity :v

[@erudoritchi2872]

As f2p they want to gamble. Lol i've never seen a stupid logic than that. I play wuwa as f2p only buy monthly 2 times. I never pull if my currency is not guaranteed me a character in worst scenario

[@LONKULADE]

​@@erudoritchi2872 smart way to play these gacha games

[@Meowkowhy]

So you can lose 119 50/50s before getting a limited character. Good game.

[@kurniawandelima]

And if you don't do the 120th pull (guaranteed), next banner comes/reset, lose another 119 50/50s. What a whacky guarantee system lol.

[@96kami31]

The game simply encourage people to save up pulls instead of building pity. 80 pulls for a guaranteed 6* isn't generous enough? 120 pulls for guaranteed featured 6* isn't generous enough for you? Why would you need your pity to carry over anyway? Are you "building pity" before the banner or something? Are you going into the banner expecting to get lucky at the 20th roll with a 0.8% rate? Gacha and luck go hand to hand but it isn't always about luck, saving up enough rolls to guarantee the character is the better approach if you're serious. With 120 pulls, you can still get the featured 6* even if the first 6* isn't the featured one. In other games where you need 180 or 160 to pull, in Endfield you only need 120. I do agree 50/50 will make the gacha system better, but people are too focused on that aspect that they disregard other aspects that are better compared to other games. Besides, you can get 24 pulls per month just by doing dailies, let alone possible events, daily logins, weekly missions. Its an entire system that benefits f2p. As always, Lowlight is too intelligent for his own good that his games filter out bandwagon tourists and people with low IQ. Its exhausting seeing people doomposting because they aren't capable of logical reasoning.

[@Ace-taimanin]

why everyone hate this? or did i misunderstand the system?!. because its a really good system for F2P players, guaranteed 1 copy after 120 that's amazing its only bad when you want to max out the character and at that point its the whale's problem not me xD

[@tempota7792]

The hard pity is at 80, but losing 50/50 doesn't guarantee you anything. You will have to do 120 EVERY SINGLE BANNER for a guarantee at worst case scenario. And the 120 guarantee applies only once, and is banner specific, no roll overs. Even the granddaddy of shitters Genshin is neither this restrictive, confusing, nor req this many pulls for guarantees across consecutive banners.

[@Zelarinth]

its bad because you need to commit 120 to get a unit. many have units they like but not enough for 120 pulls but are willing to see if they get lucky after 40 or so. many characters in HSR I did that on where I said I want this character but don't want to go over 40 pulls trying to get them so I put in 40 pulls if I did not get them, I just built pity up for the next unit I must have. You cannot do that here. You either want them or dont.

[@hatchu5477]

@@Zelarinth I'm not a 100% but I think after the banner ends the unit or units will get added to the permanent pull, unless stated limited otherwise. I'm only assuming as per the of arknights system

[@randomperson4198]

​@@hatchu5477i really hope this is the case. Since that mean i can always just splurge on limited and and the 50/50 becomes a plus so passed character i have a chance to get them

[@thatoneshadyguy_2529]

​@@tempota7792Why are you pulling every single banner? Maybe this will help you learn impulse control

[@nazirulramli956]

No carry pity no play easy...plus the fight gameplay feels so lackluster. Well its probably wuwa and zzz fault bcoz of their gameplay style.

[@AndoaintheMartyr]

Dupes aren't essential in this game unlike some other games, so i'm kinda fine with this character gacha system, although they can improve on the weapon gacha

[@unloyal4847]

@@AndoaintheMartyr that is such a stupid argument here, like a total goal post change. Face it, it’s a trash system and say that it is. Who’s to say that after a few patch after launch that those dupes become broken? And hello? Unless you didn’t play AK that long dupes do matter specially on the later parts of the game specially when we talk about Chen alter and this is on their first game.

[@hatchu5477]

@@unloyal4847 Since when did you ever NEED dupes at all? Apart from Challenge runs where you don't even get rewarded for going that far and more so for content, I don't really remember any at all

[@botcchidotcchi]

@@unloyal4847 Huh? Which "later parts of the game" you mean? Explain? Prove? Without that, this is just BS hate and misinformation

[@randomperson4198]

​@@unloyal4847which character there's no character in arknight that have HUGE improvement when u have pot like YEAY I GOT PLUS 17 ATK as far as i remember.

[@indomaretlawrence1069]

​@@unloyal4847 dude talking about Chalter in 2025 lmaooo But sure, let me get my max pot Chalter who has the advantage of -2 DP cheaper and +27 ATK more😂

[@VictorYohansen6989]

Yeah Glad They Do Testt First Or Else.... BUT Iam Not Happy Chen Qianyu ( Even Yeah Not Real CHen Maybe) WHy Her Purple not At Less Yellow !

[@Berlan_NRML]

AS Arknights player can say this same like og Arknights nothing wrong for this, You just hate this game imo

[@MCrknight777]

The issue is that arknights has a 2% vs this which is a standard 0.8% i.e hoyo rates

[@Berlan_NRML]

@MCrknight777 can you read? There if you hit 65 without 6star, the rate up to 5% per pull. in the og Arknights aftter 50 without 6star rate up 2,4,6 . That same. In Arknights Endfield if you hit 70pull the rate up for 6* up to 25%. it think is fine for paying development

[@Raymart6543]

Brother, nothing wrong if people have opinions. I'm also an og AK player like you and together with them, I just don't agree with the gacha system pull rates.

[@Berlan_NRML]

@@Raymart6543 pull rate is comparing with any 3D game right now, i can take that. Og Arknights is like 2D game. I think dev need more effort to make 3D models thats fine brother. 65 pity and up 5% its good (so you can get in 75) its still better than Hoyo game on 80 and if you not luck you cant get on 90

[@mahdibd]

The banner system in Endfield is shit, especially for whale. Honestly, open beta with banner system like this might actually kill the game hype among whales pretty fast. Did they never consult on whales if this system works or not for them?

[@offnet6934]

Same system as first game. But if dupe are more important than normal AK then this is ass.

[@RikinxHoh]

So at 120 pulls will be 50 percent getting 2 limited character and another 50 percent getting 1 limited character and 1 standard banner character?

[@Zelarinth]

120 goes away once you get the limited.

[@TheIsahata]

Unlike ToF, the guarantee goes away after you get the first of the LTO on the banner

[@Barry9-11]

Just make the guaranteed carry over and maybe if they feel generous boost the 6* rate to 1.something

[@daesz]

thats VERY f2p friendly impo

[@Nyan354.]

No it the same as og ak but it change up rate drop from 50 to 65 2%/5% and have guaranteed at 80 instead

[@tempota7792]

Don't underestimate that 50 pull soft pity. The difference btwn 50 and 65 pulls is a lot of f2p saving, let alone the psychology of it. But the biggest drop off is the 0.8% rate bruh. No more 20 30 40 pulls early Xmas surprises nor double triple 6* bags. Also, no more bag opening suspense or fire. The last of its breed.

[@mujadid9170]

Waifu selection banner :v , pick your choice

[@ExDik1]

New predatory gacha 💀

[@DaedLizrad]

Oh thats a lot worse than I thought. I thought it was still a traditional 50-50 where the next 6 star is the banner if you lose, but if you drop 120 in a single banner you trigger a separate guarantee. So the 50-50 has no guarantee, thats bad, we might not want the devs to cater the game to whales but systems that abuse them are bad for everyone too. They either need to carry over the 120 pity or make the 50-50 a traditional guarantee as well otherwise this feels more predatory than the current trend and will hurt longevity, and possibly if they piss off whales, profitability altogether.

[@fanmao8718]

Well i was think genshin gatcha bad but from bottom knocked enfield

[@render0624]

I hate 50/50 system🥲

[@SydneySeth0816]

It reminds me of fgo pity

[@WirzZ]

the graphics are good but the combat is mid honestly they need to speed and spice up this ....2018 combat style fr

[@DannyJ3636]

holy fck, insane toxicity in comments

[@SiegDaisuke]

WHATT ?? pity banner did not carry over ?? Thats big nope and minus point mann

[@Berlan_NRML]

Same like Arknights system,

[@SiegDaisuke]

@Berlan_NRML but og arknights we don't have to think about weapon banner, and the rate for 6 ⭐ ops is 2% which is significant higher than endfield 0.8%

[@Corteslatinodude]

edit: nah this is horrible system the weapons banner only works through the characters banner. So if I pull for a Character banner 120 pulls Guarantee, I get on average 14,300 Arsenal Tickets. 6star- 1,500 * 2 = 3,000 5star- 500*12= 6,000 4star- 50*106=5,300 14,300/2980= 4 pulls Meaning if I lose that 50/50 on weapon pity. I ain't getting the weapon during that Characters banner and my 40 pulls doesn't get carried over for next weapon banner. So I'm either forced to do another 100 Character banner pulls. Which exceeds the 120 and doesn't get carried over to the next Character banner. Or never pull for weapon until I have 23,840 for guarantee. I would have to pull for 2 different Character banners to be able to get enough for one guarantee. Only obtaining the 2nd characters weapon 1st Character 120 pulls = 14,300 Arsenal Tickets 2nd Character 120 pulls = 28,600 Arsenal Tickets 2nd Character gets there weapon. This sucks. Your forced to hoard your stuff, play the Character without there weapon, or risk losing it all. The exchange rate is horrible for Arsenal tickets (9 cert for 100 tickets)