Armies of Numenor - Middle-Earth Lord of the Rings Lore DOCUMENTARY

[@WizardsandWarriors]

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[@pyeitme508]

Bruh

[@0Iluvater0]

Love your lore videos @WizardsandWarriors genuinely sounds like an Elven Lore Naster! Keep up the fantastic work

[@NRV0]

Such a shame what became of the Numenorians. They had such majesty and splendor and lost it all because they forgot the true meaning of the gift.

[@Emanon...]

Well, knowing us Edain, even the Dun'iest of us... We're not good people...

[@dolamrothknight]

bruh just look atm America right now. nothing but entitled r3tards 70 years later

[@bentonday4539]

Lmao and the first and only thing the amazon series does is ignore all of it and does a calvary charge😭

[@corvus2512]

After a training session taking place in a market involving a dozen “soldiers”. It’s such a joke, why would they do this? Long have we waited to see the glory of Numenor yet they give us that? Ugh

[@miketime4290]

They really ruined one of the greatest things in the Tolkienverse. An entire fan fiction series about them would have made so much more sense. Instead they are making up how a pivotal event took place that affects all things and peoples.

[@corvus2512]

@@miketime4290 indeed, I still want to know where the hell Celeborn is, how is Arwen going to exist if her family doesn’t? It’s crazy and even though it should be obvious they will bring him in because how can they not? Yet with these writers, who let’s remember made the elves capable of dying from disease!! I can see them just leaving him out

[@CrimsonAlchemist]

Apart from the big budget and cinematics. Its riddled with lazy writing, diversity craaapp, and just bad creative storytelling.

[@miketime4290]

​@@corvus2512in this Amazonverse it's all over the place. They keep making the elves speak quenya showing me they didn't hire any book readers because they should be speaking sindarin. Galadriel isn't subservient to Gil Galad she actually outranks him(she's a generation older). CIRDAN ferries elves to the west Gil galad doesn't order them to go. Sauron NEVER took a human form, that whole helbrand storyline makes no sense because the numenorians exist and the House of Elros is the only royal house of men at this time. So many errors I could write a book

[@epicazeroth]

Leaving aside all the people complaining about a show that has nothing to do with you guys, great video as always.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For this Guys! Love your content! Keep up the good work ❤❤❤❤❤

[@qg8924]

Great video! The illustrations & story telling are absolutely amazing!

[@ThinkViralShorts]

Can you do the Fall Of Gondolin but in accurate detail? You missed a huge amount of details like how Tuor and Maeglin's houses fought each other, the sally out of the Hammer of Wrath and their Sacrifice, Salgant's cowardice, the great iron drakes the forces of Morgoth use, Glorfindel and his company being ambushed in the eastern market and Glorfindel's sacrifice to save the survivors of Gondolin. There's so much to cover

[@uniboss5306]

Right, I was pretty disappointed with how he covered the battle. It seems like he never read the actual books and used an AI summary instead

[@MalevolentBite]

​@@uniboss5306 he probably didn't.

[@Emanon...]

Seems like you know it all already, mate.

[@ThinkViralShorts]

@@Emanon... I would prefer a visual style like these videos. And would love other people to learn about it too. Not many videos talk about the details of the battle

[@ExtradaemonYT]

A lot of that is early lore and is no longer canon.

[@theawesomeman9821]

Numenor reminds me of Atlantis

[@Ecthelion007]

Numenor actually is a copy paste of Atlantis, and Valars are a copy paste of Greek-Roman Gods

[@CrimsonAlchemist]

Rings of Power single handedly destroyed Tolkien's detailed and fabulous work.

[@w-james9277]

"Rings of Power" what's that?

[@thespyingeyeofmordor]

​@@w-james9277 A heretical sect.

[@jackwei22]

The Tolkien Estate sees every RoP script though and gives corrections in order to green light them and it seems we have will see more lore changes as the second age all cannot be fitted into the series. PJ never respected the lore big time but his story telling was very good and created a cinematic masterpiece.

[@macawileramsay3119]

​@@jackwei22 tolkien estate? You mean the stupid ass grandsoj of JRR tolkien who wanted woke things in it? That estate?

[@DoppelgangerZNCAT]

Only if we let them my friend.

[@CyBromancer7562]

You should totally do a video about Steampunk Numenor, Numenor’s flying ships used to circumnavigate the round world, and the cult of Melkor (including the grand Temple to Melkor in Armenelos or on Meneltarma, based on the Radcliffe Camera, and many lesser temples in the colonies). Basically the industrial and religious period at its very end under the influence of Sauron

[@lordkhunlord9210]

Really love your channel, what is the name of the song that play at 16:00 . It's in most of your LotR video

[@emilio2537]

After Rise and Fall of Numenor and Second Era, this is the third video that we see Numenor corrupting itself and sinking in the sea...AGAIN!!

[@bigsarge2085]

One channel to rule them all. . .

[@angryyoungman66]

So are Numenorians like a branch of Men that is mix with a little Elvish genes , so they live longer age slower ,stand taller etc..

[@captainvalourous6668]

Technically only the High Kings of Numenor had a mix of Elvish genes at first but considering the High Kings tend to have many children as the descendants of Elros Tar-Minyatur the younger children of these High Kings would intermarry with the normal Numenoreans hence allowing their tiny Elvish genes to spread across the Island Kingdom and a perfect example of this are the Lords of Andunie, the ancestors of Dunedain Kings of Arnor and Gondor.

[@SkyHawk2137]

Probably the simplest way of thinking about it is that the Numenoreans got a Divine Blessing that 'so long as they hold true to the ways of the Valar, they would live longer, be greater and need fear no illness'. Which naturally meant that as they increasingly stopped following the ways of the Valar, the Blessing receded. And they are Men so it's very unlikely you get perfection generation after generation for even the most loyal of families. I think there is an element of 'bloodline' to it however as I believe the Gondorians lost some of that Gift/Blessing by having children with non-Numenoreans. But there also seems to be cases where the descendants of such a couple then can see the Blessing return to considerably greater strength and stay like that, which suggests it's less 'diluting the bloodline weakens the Blessing' and more 'diluting the bloodline weakens the Blessing and their children are less likely, but not guaranteed, to act in ways which don't see the Blessing renew it's strength leaving them lesser'. Wouldn't say that Elvish blood entering the Numenorean bloodlines had no effect however. It absolutely should have, but lesser than the influence of the Blessing. Something something an Alloy is greater than it's parts, but some of it's parts may still be great indeed?

[@Ecthelion007]

The common people were buffed by the magical power of Valinor that was close to them

[@Toto_Meister_01]

so after the sinking of Numenor the faithful created the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor. how different do you think Middle Earth would have been if they had only formed Gondor, seeing as Arnor eventually fell to Angmar and the Witch King?

[@SkyHawk2137]

Probably not much at all really. If not worse. Because Arnor was founded on some major Numenorean colonies, so you either leave those there thus having the possibility of them falling to the Shadow due to being 'abandoned', have them form Not!Arnor anyway but weaker and more likely to end up clashing with Gondor because they aren't 'Sibling Kingdoms', or evacuate those colonies to strengthen Gondor which then leaves those lands open for the Forces of Shadow to colonise and/or the native Men to repopulate and due to certain Numenorean legacies (especially from the last days of Numenor) as well as the Forces of Shadow around the area, including some Peoples of Men who already had tendencies to serve the Shadow... Well, you either have a Not!Arnor form which at best might clash with Gondor at times, weakening both, you have a Not!Arnor which falls to the Shadow and serves them or you have an equivalent of Angmar emerge uncontested by the Men of the West living nearby. And none of this means Gondor ends up stronger anyway, for concentrating all the Numenorean Faithful in Gondor just means Sauron and the Forces of Shadow focus their efforts on that kingdom instead of splitting them between the two.

[@Toto_Meister_01]

@@SkyHawk2137 ok, thanks. Cool

[@macawileramsay3119]

I think the creation of Arnor was pivotal as it was the bulwark against the planned invasions of the witch-king and his what remains of saurons forces. Without it, shire and those "peaceful" Lands up north would have been long swallowed and the elves would have expendes even more blood to protect what little they have left

[@ilejovcevski79]

What's with the funky sails on some of the Numenorian ships?

[@elvatoz]

Loved it

[@willscrews]

Are you planning on making a special video once the new Lord of the Rings movie comes out? I absolutely love the trailer.

[@Napoleonic_S]

wait what? what new movie?

[@sebastianvelazquez430]

With a land mass so small and lacking modern technology, there's no way Númenor could've produced enough resources to sustain that population. If we assume excellent weather and some trade, we might get to 10 million, but 40? No way man, no way

[@Ecthelion007]

Numenorians were a mix of Romans Greeks and Atlanteans plus MAGICAL WEAPONS...MAGICAL!!!! OMG

[@WatchListConnoisseur]

Best I can do is 3 ships and 300 men.

[@davidmckown3590]

What size are the horses do the tall Numenorians ride?

[@discipleaj]

The number of times Sauron escaped... 🤦🏻‍♂️ *Moral of the story:* Don't play with evil, nor entertain evil, nor negotiate with evil or any appearance of it. Instead, end any of its attempts to advance, decisively.

[@yagizz5421]

If the Eru Iluvatar had not existed, even Manwe would have had to surrender to the Numenoreans.

[@stevenhanly4412]

Cladding their ships in iron would make no sense, unless cannon were available. They would be much better off cladding their ships in copper, which would reduce barnacles and shipworm, and thus protect the hulls (and the speed of their ships). Iron just doesn't make any sense militarily or economically. Wooden ships were robust enough against the weather, and against any weapons their enemies might have. However, metal hulls would be lighter, which would be a benefit if the ships were being powered by steam engines, but steam engines in wooden vessels would be done first, and only later would the Numenoreans realize that it would be helpful to lighten the hulls using steel. Also, Numenorean ships are illustrated using a twin-masted design. Sure, it looks cool, but it's twice as expensive, and, more importantly, as soon as the wind blows on the sails, produces a twisting moment in the masts, which would likely increase the chance of the masts snapping apart. The uneven wind loading would cause increased failure chance. (Although I must admit it looks cool, and sets them apart from "standard" sailing ship designs.)

[@Civtex]

Golly long range bows and horseback archers at the same time..unstoppable military! ..combining English long bows with Mongol horseback archery would be conquerors before the invention of gun powder

[@orktv4673]

2:59 Axe of WHO?

[@kacperszafranski2983]

While I love the story of Sauron's armies fleeing on sight of Numenorians and him having no choice but to surrender, it's quite likely a ploy of Sauron from start to finish. Notice how this all started because Sauron declared himself the king of men and lord of earth, and that his armies didn't instantly flee from Numenorians when they first met in battle years earlier. Sauron most likely planned to be captured from the very beginning, and arranged things in such a way so that this glourious victory itself pumped their pride.

[@TurinStark5]

Sauron's army was totally destroyed by the Numenorians shortly after his invasion of Eregion. His army had no chance so he decided to surrender instead

[@kacperszafranski2983]

@@TurinStark5 I know. My point is, that this whole situation was quite likely planned for from start to finish. That, from the moment Sauron declared himself 'king of men' until Numenor started to sink under his feet, it all happened exactly as he envisioned.

[@macawileramsay3119]

He mightve thought of brute forcing his way through as was the practice of his overlord against much greater armies of the past. But seeing hulking 7 footers in heavy amors capable of decimating his orcs without sweat, we could say he had his back up plan of "surrendering" A viable option

[@Joeslipknot1]

RINGS OF POWER REALLY COULD LEARN FROM READING LORE...

[@stevelebreton3489]

❤

[@claudiocanfild6445]

ATLÂNTIDA !

[@repaks00]

And why in the Rings of Power, there were just a platoon or a squad. 🤣

[@CloudSephiroth]

Black numenoreans were cool. Wish there was more stuff about the South or the far East islands.

[@MalevolentBite]

Are you still doing Conan Lore ? I enjoy all of your Lord of Rings content. Keep it coming. 😊

[@Ar-Pharazon21]

Conan is trash lore!

[@MalevolentBite]

@Ar-Pharazon21 Dude, grow up and get out of the basement.

[@mohammeddaanish6520]

Spunds like kings and generals

[@joseloures7701]

Numenor is like the Roman Empire on double steroids. Arnor is more like the Western Roman Empire and Gondor is the Eastern Roman Empire.

[@Ecthelion007]

Nope it's clearly a copy paste of Atlantis

[@Uhtred-the-bold]

The sea is always right…… 😂😂

[@jwagner4050]

Watching this gives me a sad lament for what we could have seen, had Bezos actually been the fan of Tolkien he claims he is.

[@Uhtred-the-bold]

Um.. they sucked so bad they needed Galadriel to come over and show them how to kill an Orc.

[@maddogbasil]

*Yo W&W can we get a video on the Shinobi wars* *theirs literally so much lore in the narutoVerse*

[@richmondlandersenfells2238]

*Et eärello* *Endorenna ùtulien* *Sinome Marüvan* *AR HILDINYAR* *Tenn ambar -Metta*

[@idontgiveasht9766]

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[@kolsveinnskraevolding]

AYOOOO, TURNER MOHAN MENTIONED.

[@KonradvonHotzendorf]

2:17 Rustproof😅

[@ultramarinechaplain88]

Numenoreans were peak of humanity. Tall, wise, life span up to 250 years old. Made an army so vast and majestic to fight sauron. Sauron at his peak instantly surrenderrd. And amazon shat on all that.

[@Emanon...]

"Los Numenor"? What the hell...!?

[@Ar-Pharazon21]

What are you talking about

[@matthewhart9610]

Armies? Clearly you haven't seen the totally 100% lore-accurate Rings of Power. Obviously Numenor, the greatest and most powerful nation to ever exist in Middle Earth, has to rely on a couple dozen volunteers to staff their military. And of course they wouldn't have any barracks or anything either, it makes total sense that they would train their soldiers right in the middle of a random street.

[@alanmike6883]

And need a she elf to train them for she is the Messiah 😊😅

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

​@@alanmike6883Just too many shenanigans for me, stopped watching after I figured out Halbrand was Sauron. Actually Sauron is the best written character of them all in ROP.

[@alanmike6883]

@@c.antoniojohnson7114 Sauron went back on the dark path because the Messiah broke his heart. We now know the ring's and everything Going forward was because of this 😅 Plus in seriousness they cut sixteen hundred years out. At the time of the rings the numenorians hadn't fallen Into shadow yet and most of the human characters like elendil hadn't been born yet. And celebrimbor was the greatest Smith since feanor yet apparently he didn't know about alloys 😲

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

@@alanmike6883 That part,Celebrimor is done so wrong. He doesn't even seem like he's Fëanor's grandson. No fire in him at all,and not knowing about alloys is ridiculous.

[@alanmike6883]

@@c.antoniojohnson7114 I know right. He Just looks confused all the time And how is it he looks older then cirdan

[@CitrusMind]

Rings of power Numernor’s are a shadow of the original lore. The show Numenors can’t fight swords needing to taught by Galadriel, rode horses, very short and fat. Eru was right the sea should eat them all.

[@DoppelgangerZNCAT]

The sea should eat Amazon.

[@cg8442]

Ohh are these the guys i am skipping through while watch rings of power?

[@Jacobarch1981]

Tell me Numenor isn't America...

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

No, not America. Numenor is more like Classical Greece.

[@Jacobarch1981]

@@c.antoniojohnson7114 I wasn't being literal, the parallel can be used for any country or society that rose to power and then fell. It's the same old story. Power corrupts.

[@c.antoniojohnson7114]

@@Jacobarch1981 Very true,all great empires whose reach exceed their grasp do suffer the same fate. I agree.

[@Ecthelion007]

its clearly ATLANTIS

[@Jacobarch1981]

@@Ecthelion007 you clearly didn't read the other replies to this thread. It was meant to be applied to any society that has risen to power and then fallen

[@MicaiahBaron]

As always: Lord of the Rings is a story that seeks to create a world where the Divine Right of Kings is valid, Atlantis is real, and some men are just bigger and better than others. I love the world, but sometimes it can be a little... 🤔

[@cjthebeesknees]

Hits to close to home, purposeful reinforcement of status quo? Yeah, one of a handful to notice, I commend you.

[@kennethvilla4547]

To be fair, Numenor did get karma, which is the moral lesson of their story

[@wolfmauler]

Go actually read LOTR, read the chapter "The Houses of Healing" and then reconsider your opinions about blind faith in the divine rights of kings. And some men ARE bigger and better than others; that's called life. Yet in LOTR, the "bigger and better" men all take a knee to the diminutive Hobbits, even the King, for achieving something they couldn't have done. Merry & Eowyn take down the Witch King FFS... Just sounds like you reject the divine, however you define it, you reject mythology and you reject masculinity. This all sounds like "You" problems, not Tolkien. But don't worry, you are 100% the target audience of Amazon original, Rings of Power.

[@kennethvilla4547]

@@wolfmauler I blame shows like RoP for ruining fantasy. It seems that fiction can't be fantastical nowadays

[@bankaltthree9139]

People reading a fantasy series and thinking it has anything to do with the real world views of the author, actually read about his political views before you come in here spouting nonsense.

[@russgaartexastrainingandbo949]

infantry is simply not amphibious warriors, just say Marine, Marines are amphibious soldiers of the sea, saying infantry marine is like saying “boat, vehicle that travels on water”. or “sword, double edged steel weapon with sharp edges and a handle”

[@josephkavanagh7665]

Numerorrrrr-r-r-r-r. I could apply to Amazon.

[@highelf6086]

Lol i see what u did there

[@vladionescudimancea2069]

"Hey, let's listen to this dark-shaped figure that now we enslaved but now seems to be noble because that went well in our history. surely it will not happen as before as with the elves..." 🥲

[@matthewhart9610]

Armies? Clearly you haven't seen the totally 100% lore-accurate Rings of Power. Obviously Numenor, the greatest and most powerful nation to ever exist in Middle Earth, has to rely on a couple dozen volunteers to staff their military. And of course they wouldn't have any barracks or anything either, it makes total sense that they would train their soldiers right in the middle of a random street.

[@SilvershotStudios]

Hey Super glad you chimed in with this- It's mentioned in that episode that the Nobles of Numenor wouldn't support aiding an Elf openly, so Miriel decides to personally 'escort' Galadriel back to Middle-Earth, and as such could only take volunteers, have a lovely day my fellow Tolkien fan :)

[@dolamrothknight]

@@SilvershotStudios stop defending garbage. that so called non cannon Galadriel isnt going to fk u white knight

[@Tereyoc]

And combat armour of someone from the stone age

[@SilvershotStudios]

@@Tereyoc I'ma give you one chance to rescind that, you think they had any form of metal armour...in the 'Stone' age?

[@Tereyoc]

@@SilvershotStudios a breast plate is not how the numenor armour was described in the book