Armor and Spell Penetration, Spinner and Spriggan useful? - ESO

[@myohokyo]

Overworld mob resistances is half of dungeons/trials (9.1k) so you might want to go over to Asayre "Sorcerer arithmagic" thread and do some recalculations for the PVE parts of your assumptions .

[@byrontaylor2407]

I'm a decent na Xbox sorc and was wondering if jullionos or spinner is better I am having trouble with tankier classes like stam dks but will spinner really help?

[@jeremiahcollins23]

This was the video I was looking for. Thanks Alcast!

[@OnlyGaruda]

I've been unable to get a vma sharpened dagger, i only have nirnhoned..so so many nirnhoned. would it be worth while running 5 spriggans, 2 Kragh, 3 VO and a sharpened axe and nirn dagger(mainhand) my thinking behind it is that the spriggans compensates for the dps loss i get on the nirn dagger. otherwise i run 5 vo 5 leviathan 2 kragh with 2 sharpened daggers and its working for me

[@dannukesem]

I've been running tbs with night mothers. What do you think about going with 2 pieces of heavy armor night mother, keeping the thief mind us stone and glyph the maul with an armor reducing glyph. I hear night mother reduces armor 5000 or so, then the glyph might crit right ? I'm thinking that might be a little stronger, especially against the black Rose crowd

[@matt-stam]

If you where a mag DK trying to set vMA record scores (or at the very least get like top 50), what do you think the optimal gear setup would be? Spinner?

[@ajslav04]

I was thinking of running this set on my stam sorc for VMA, should I run crusher enchant on my duel wield or on my bow?

[@DrivetoProvide]

but. what if because of the extra penetration from those sets you could use precise weapons for more crit?

[@elialentz2430]

do you a video on what to wear for impen 5 or 7 piece and do they have a cap please let me know

[@The30simon62]

Would you recommend these sets if you just have maelstrom daggers in defending? and your group members arent that organized ..

[@anevilpuppy6659]

how much of a damage loss in a trial is a nirn vma inferno compared to a sharpened?

[@eclipze4262]

Major fracture 5.2k , Minor fracture 1.3k , crusher 1.4k , Mace 20% Ignore armor = 6.4k assuming they are at capped resistance , cp tree 5.2k penetration , spriggan 4k penetration , Sunderflame 3.5k , kraghs 2k more physical penetration, Sharpened traits another 5.2k. so yes as a stamina char u can really ignore 100% armor , or u can drop sunderflame and run twice fanged serpent and get 5k physical penetration instead of sunderflame 3.5k.

[@Tetter.]

Alcast, awesome video! I can't tell how the mace weapon passives work with the spriggans set. Would a mace make more or less of a difference?

[@ClanAbLeSquAd]

I'm running it on my stam sorc together with Stormfirst and non-sharpened maelstrom dw. quite good in 4man dungeons and vMA as i dont have any other form of penetration and my groups are not organised xD is it possible at all for a single tank to reduce the armor as much that its below 4k?

[@TheMrSnow1]

Pls do more theorycrafting like this. I like numbers!

[@crimson4241]

Which costume are you using in the video? Looks really nice:D

[@inflatablefish921]

thieves guild leathers, you get it for completing the very first quest in the thieves guild storyline.

[@crimson4241]

Thank you, I couldn't recognize it because of the colours.

[@erock255555]

So what about vMA? Is Spriggan best in slot for a dual wield + bow stam sorc in vMA or are the mobs armor values not high enough in there to make use of it?

[@Vazio3]

I think it is safe to assume that, when he talked about solo play, he meant or included vMA. So yes, it is very good, especially for stamsorcs who don't have major fracture like NB or DK in their kit.

[@kravez16]

erock255555 Hell yes I rock 5 spriggon(1axe 1maul Hand waist & feet) 5 Vicious Serpent (x3 jewellery 1 chest 1 leg)and Veli on my stamsorc. The ads drop like flies imo it's better than your standard vma DW weapons with agility jewellery ect. Try it out :)

[@sampsoh51]

+kravez ESO what traits on your armour bro?

[@kravez16]

Sampsoh Mostly divines infused on 2 big pieces :)

[@matthiasschulz2852]

hadt du nicht das templerlicht vergessen das auf stamina Burning light heißt es glaube ich oder ist das der gleiche debuff wir die glyphe?

[@Alcasthq]

Ja, hab es nun als note geadded

[@merriken56ps4gamer5]

So I want to know if you think spriggons and reactive will do well for pvp. Dk werewolf

[@thatguy7744]

I'm going with Spriggan and Automaton. Or hundings Spriggan! cant wait

[@austinparker5155]

you also get pen. from cp points too so thats even more i think precise weapons are starting to look good

[@aronberns8299]

Im in a guild and i do pledges with them, but we aren't that organized (we can easily do the pledges though), so we won't have al those debuffs up at all time. So, is night mothers gaze better then spriggans? And would spriggans+night mothers gaze+kragh 2 piece be really good? Not really into al that theory crafting but i want my build to be strong.

[@inflatablefish921]

do basic maths...

[@aronberns8299]

inflatable fish i want to know if its a good setup, i dont know if there are a lot of sets that would be a lot better.

[@matthiasschulz2852]

Aron Berns u can run what u want becouse u dont need 110% damge output. No interest is whether 10 minutes for make a dungon or 12 or 15. in my opinion is the best setup is leviathan qhen u have a good heal and tank when not ist hundings rage the best choice ( only my opinion) im on ps4 so i cant see my fuckig dps.

[@ancientlurker5208]

Spriggan and Spinner is BIS if you solo/4-man dungeon.

[@xKrafty--]

Thanks alcast very informative video :]

[@Alcasthq]

Kinda weird, did not really know how to title this

[@AzuDemdonis]

I´ve heard against pve npc its calculated 1%=500, and in pvp against other player 1%=650. But not shure if its really right. And pls stop usin my name for builds xD

[@Alcasthq]

hmm okay interesting, but why would the value change for pve or pvp?

[@DargusMaximus]

At least pre 1T, all enemies, even if being marked as CP160 were technically lvl50 monsters (a band aid fix to possible issues with the 'player has to be withint 5 lvls apart from monster for exp/loot, this could be confirmed by attacking lvl 45 monster as a CP160 and still get exp/loot), if that wouldnt be a thing some of monster trophies would be unobtainable for certain factions as there would be lack of CP lvl appropriate monsters in area.. Physical and spell resistance and corresponding to it damage mitigation is a function of entity lvl. So lvl50 entity will have different mitigation with X PR/SR than lets say a real lvl50 CP160 entity (again, before 1T for example lvl25 player would not be obligated to hit 32k resists to cap mits as tank as it would be impossible for him). Same thing works for critical rating which was also function of player lvl (pre 1T). Because of that, if 1T monsters still are technically classified as lvl50 monsters their mitigation/resistance numbers will be different (PVE) than what is happening when fighting players who are real lvl50 CP160 entities.

[@DargusMaximus]

Old formula i digged up was: Mit%=Resist/lvl*10 If after 1T standarisation monsters should have 18500 resist at most (18200 for normal type and 18500 for resistant type) then their total mitigation as lvl50 is 37% (if CP160 then lvl is 66 and mitigation i 28.03%). Divide each by 37 or 28 and there it is 1% for lvl50 entity being 500 PR/SR and for lvl66 entity being 660.

[@AzuDemdonis]

Dont know if it is/was really true, only read about it in official forums where other voices confirmed it. Maybe they forgot something after switchin from v16 to cp160, should be tested.

[@UnfadingSilence]

great video

[@khagalur4388]

5:33 U reduce enemies resistance by 1% it's not the same thing^^ Damage increase depends of enemies current resists.

[@khagalur4388]

P.S. Thanx for info anyway, rly helpfull!

[@darealrulezbreaker9493]

you have 100% damage, enemys mitigation is 20% => you deal 80% of your tooltip damage to his health. now you reduce his armor by 650(=1%) => mitigation is 19% => you deal 81% of your tooltip damage to his health. so yea, his statment was correct.

[@khagalur4388]

No, mate=) You are wrong. You deal 1000 dmg, enemys mitigation 20% => so u deal 800 dmg to his health. Now u reduce his armor by 650(=1%) => mitigation 19% => you deal 810 dmg that means that ur dmg was increased by 810/800*100%=1.25%. ez XD

[@darealrulezbreaker9493]

ahhh i see! the damage that you dealt before reduction gets amped by x%, dependent on their resistance and not 1% youre right! but if you just look at the tooltip, 1% less mitigation means that you deal exactly 1% more of your tooltip damage(see my comment above)

[@TheOctavianAugustus]

Wow some of these responses. Good video Alcast , nice simple math spreadsheets most will probably not understand anyways. Lol

[@jdetres01]

another thought to add, spinners v tbs. tbs is stats + 2 mundus, spinners is 2 max mag damage and will let you fight a naked boss without sharpened weapons. all divines pieces gives as much crit as tbs with thief, extra 1k magic, spell pen and spell damage with nirn weapon must out number the shadow mundus. so... drop the tbs? please help here, theres alot of console players that want to know the numbers on this one.

[@jdetres01]

(precise or nirn weapons right? that extra crit has to be worth something)

[@tymatthi]

where do i get tje stam set for penatration

[@g-fapador3618]

_Matthe bangkorai

[@FearShadows1234]

Can any1 tell me his armour dyes??

[@lock-on-taranteso9384]

Great info 👍

[@chasroberts3613]

Very useful thanks!

[@espica]

+Alcast I thought Fracture & any form of lower resistances debuff and Penetration were calculated separate not additive. Also, why copy my costume color scheme? :p

[@DoccEff]

I think it's 660 Resistance = 1% mitigation for players and for mobs it is 500 Resistance = 1%.

[@TheOctavianAugustus]

Forgot power of the light also being a possibility.

[@hvdiv17]

armor pen is good for those black rose stam sorcs and any other black rose pvp set up.i run sword singer and spriggans my self as a stam night blade.uppercut from stealth,Onslaught with a 2hd sharpened mace.......rip.

[@hadoken7280]

Also sollte man als Magicka Build IMMER geschärft tragen da man ohne Spinners sonst nicht auf die 18k kommt?

[@2turron]

G933, it is dangerous? I say this for your battery attached to the brain, waves or radeacion can probocar health problem

[@Mubzander]

have you got xbox one? I think I saw a GT with your name :s

[@chrisxl2828]

so in short alcast, is spriggons worth it for open world pvp? or is not as viable as rocking heavy?

[@Alcasthq]

Combine heavy armor with spriggen :P

[@assassinzakral7023]

Chris xl Ive been using it, and it's good for ganking I believe, makes it seem like light and medium armor players are naked lol

[@chrisxl2828]

Assassin Zakral yea i just feel alot of ppl are running mostly heavy this patch. i dont run dual wield so the rings necklace and weapons wouldnt give me the 5 pc, the undaunted sets are too good to pass on.. so that rules out head and shoulders. im mostly a solo player

[@assassinzakral7023]

I hear ya, try it with a bow if you can, Im currently running hundings, spriggons, one peice kena. Mainly just till I find a good replacement for hundings

[@chrisxl2828]

Assassin Zakral i think 7th legion would compete with hundings, still missing 1 piece. its heavy and gives you just under 500 weapon damage when you take damage yourself. 10% chance, but we all know its more like 20%+ lol. id give that a try brother.

[@jdetres01]

all i heard was "use nirnhoned, decisive or precise weapons because sharpened is kinda useless these days" lmao love ur vids man! im gonna try my different staffs out and see how it plays out, sharpened maelstrom inferno might get the boot over decisive or nirn shit even precise or defending would be more useful

[@darealrulezbreaker9493]

decisive? eww

[@jdetres01]

it would be more useful than sharpened tho...that trait is broken tho, my mageblades shooting star has like an 80% up time with decisive. that's quite a big tick of damage to discount. I suppose if precise or nirn offers more than an increase of like 13k dps than they're better but don't discount decisive quite yet.

[@predaR6]

tank punkter ore nightblade seprice atack

[@SheyESO]

just use reactiv armor and you have 100000000000000 penetration so those sets are only good for non dk classes

[@CharlieEst1981]

sounds like somebody doesn't like stam builds 😂

[@aharmlesszombie]

16th!

[@אלמוגאזולאי-ח9כ]

hello i farmed spinner for week got bis items. i can talk only about pvp. its totaly shit set. and i feel sory making all of it golden. so imo spinner is aint good. u can get penetration from other places

[@SkoomaIceCoffee]

spinner set is not good in pve because your traits and enchants give spell penetration also which diminish the benefits of spinner set. So fuck it up...

[@agerestricted3056]

:)

[@Shrooms50]

hello alcast. One of the firsts

[@agerestricted3056]

guyfromfinland70 me too