Armoured Skeptic Is Running From His Anti-SJW Past

[@MEGATRONCHERRY]

Greg: I regret my part in the culture war Also Greg: all my opinions I had during my anti-sjw era were correct

[@Necromancer1230]

This is why I always hate the whole “there are some points I still agree with” thing when it’s deployed in videos like this, it’s basically just a obfuscation tactic. It’s just a ploy to play both sides of the argument by refusing to actually take a position.

[@babanovac0232]

Yes, my friend. Because, unfortunately, during that period there were many slippages on the left side, and even the integration in a certain ideological bubble did not help much to discern exceptions to generalizations. Plus, the SJWs were extremely dishonest in their relationship with him, just like Jake is doing now.

[@opinion3742]

I have been wrong about everything I ever said or did.... But I am right now! It has arisen in my consciousness so I can assume it is correct.

[@babanovac0232]

@@opinion3742 My friend, I went through that bubble too. And maybe I would have remained a prisoner in it if I had been a little more stupid and had not become aware of the fact that the extreme right does not have a position based on good faith. But how did I get into this bubble? Being worried about the left slips. I thought I was fighting for a right cause, to save the left, when in fact I had become an ultimate idiot in the alt-right army. However, I'm glad that I realized at some point that those slips are exceptions and not the general position of the left. And you should know that I kept the same principles as then, only that I became more disinterested in nonsense and kept my eyes on the ball - on the final goal of what I think is right and good for the world.

[@opinion3742]

@@babanovac0232 Having a good moral sense keeps one fairly grounded I think.

[@Shanesawendsley]

Congratulations Greg you discovered feminist talking points about masculinity that have been around since at least the 70s

[@tonyschannel7438]

Well you can call it "toxic masculinity" if you want. I just simply call it being an a$$hole, (which women are capable of as well, I don't think gender or how much testosterone a person has, has anything to do with their personality)

[@screaminmeani]

You mean- the exact same points feminists kept trying to make but he wouldn't speak to them without smarmy bs.

[@explodingcrack435]

"Did you guys know those anti-sjw channels are actually all just low-tier ragebait!?" Yes Greg, yes we do. We all figured that out roughly a decade ago. They were never anything but that.

[@liamcolbert7876]

and i love how he says that, and points to Bearing as his prime example, someone he didn't interact with at all to my memory, But not Sargon U know his self proclaimed friend at the time, and someone he would talk to and about a lot, he did the exact same shit as Bearing but with a bigger audience. And is my guess as the person in his ear telling him to make certain vids, or not to attack Bearing

[@explodingcrack435]

@@liamcolbert7876right?? "This week in stupid", or whatever that series Sargon had was called, was genuinely the exact same "blue hair person bad!" level content that Bearing made. Weird that Bearing gets the call out but not the much more popular Sargon.

@@explodingcrack435 Nevermind the fact he straight up became a white nationalist...

[@JPH1138]

@@liamcolbert7876 To be mildly fair to Greg, Bearing DID stick out as one of the absolute lowest effort guys on KZbin. Like, Sargon would try and make jokes and stuff, whereas Bearing would just play clips and just say stuff like, "Wow, what a dumb bitch" in response. I never understood how he had any subs. But on the other, bigger hand, yeah, it's quite remarkable that Shoe and Greg literally met one another through mutual friendships with Sargon and now you would think neither of them had ever even heard of him. Since cutting ties they seem to avoid mentioning at all that they used to constantly collab with the guy who was somehow so right-wing he destroyed UKIP.

[@xibalbalon8668]

@@JPH1138 Bearing was one of those first channels where you realized this market was getting over saturated, but also that ANYONE could grift money with no effort. Slightly after gamergate was old news but trump started being everywhere. Another channel that popped up at the same time was No Bullshit, just pure right-wing slop. I think by the time Quartering entered the scene I realized these guys were just hacks

[@alexj-t2331]

As a recovered centrist, hearing “both sides blah blah blah” makes my eyes roll so fuckin hard

[@katyungodly]

Fence-sitting is so cringe.

[@itacklefatkids9699]

@@katyungodlytribalism is also cringe

[@neoqwerty]

@@itacklefatkids9699 Pretending to not have a bias to feel like you're objective is cringier. We all got biases, we can't work past them if we don't own up to having them and keeping them on short leashes.

@@itacklefatkids9699 So siding with science and being a decent human being is tribalism??? Get over yourself...

[@itacklefatkids9699]

No, but pretending one side has the correct answer for everything without being open to hearing the other side is.

[@Chris-Smith]

now that it seems clear that anti-sjw is on the downtrend, he wants to rebrand. this dude took "better late than never" to the literal last minute

[@katyungodly]

@RancorousSea Russell Brand is so crazy these days, he's basically hippie Jordan Peterson 😂

[@petehjr1]

@@katyungodly Did he dry out and that's the reason why his brain broke. Seems to be a common thing.

[@Lo0serx3]

yeah if he was really genuine about this, where was he when Chris Ray Gun was getting blasted for dating Laci Green?

[@trancandy1]

​​@RancorousSea"roight, so vis canaydian from ve new woald ohdah is troyin' to usurp me"

[@pavlovsdogman]

It's just been rebranded to "anti woke" 🥱 at least he doesn't still actively feed the anti woke machine like his ex Shoe0nhead does? I'll give him that much 😑

[@MasterOfBaiter]

"identity politics were dividing everybody" is the biggest red flag that someone will still cause a shit load of trouble. It's the "it wasn't a problem till people mentioned it" mentality of people who think their discomfort from being aware of a problem is the problem and you caused it by making it a topic. It assumes that people just felt like it one morning and started using "divisive" language without reason rather than that language coming from people trying to describe what was going on. It's not that the language divided the language purely pointed out the division was there.

[@xibalbalon8668]

It's the most sheltered white guy thing ever said, and I know saying that would make these guys cry but it's literally the only way to describe it. Theyre the "default" so they never have to think about it, and think it's just feelings and not things that affect people materially too. It's not just "idpol"

[@hexum7]

Well said

[@greenamber9827]

I'm bothered when people say both sides are bad, but fail to explain how.

[@PapaSmurf11182nd]

That’s perfect - i.e. that’s a great, succinct way to say it

[@xibalbalon8668]

Because they annoyed gay people online have as much impact on them genocidal nazis in politics. They can easily not think about it

[@trancandy1]

because usually, they don't explain the nuances. i'm a leftist, and yeah both sides have their problems. as does every ideology. but the difference is that the left has problems with the behavior of a lot of their members, while the problems with the right wing are baked into the ideology itself. there's toxic tendencies among a lot of internet leftists like purity testing, conflating offense with harm, and using identity politics to prop up bad ideologies (ironically, typically far-right ideologies like hoteps), and doing apologia for ideologies like stalinism or defending modern-day china, even though both of those are regressive, anti-queer, and anti-freedom (which goes against the fundamental basics of marxism). but transphobia and racism aren't just toxic tendencies of right wingers, they're tenets of the type of conservatism that we see manifested today. the problem with the "both sides are bad" attitude is that "some leftists are mean and annoying" is matched to "conservatism is an inherently regressive ideology that is currently seeking to roll back rights and protections".

[@Astrothunder_]

because both want to take away peoples rights and freedoms.

[@Tedi652]

​@@trancandy1 plenty of left wing problems baked in the left leaning ideologies themselves. And also, plenty of right wing takes that aren't baked in any toxicity.

[@COREcasual]

Defending your identity is not the same as engaging in identity politics to prove some other point

[@hornylink]

Identity politics means and always has meant "trying to make us like/tolerate/normalize non 'normal' (cis, straight, white, male, etc) people and have to see them in more than the just the margins" Identity politics as a term was invented to denigrate people like you(?) and me fighting for our right and the rights of others to just fucking exist in their identity that isn't harmful in any way.

[@MooMoo-q2t]

He’s been crying and complaining about being broke and his channel dying. Anyone who thinks this is anything other than a pivot for new viewers is a fool.

[@DeaDiabola]

He will convince no one he was/is on our side, even a little bit. Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@nitehawk86]

I had no idea he was still making "content". Last I hard heard of him was at least 5 years ago.

[@pepelag7278]

I love how the meme is "Shoe gets all her opinions from the man she's dating" and here is Greg lowkey implying Shoe made him do the anti-sjw content LEL like he was hypnotized by her lololol

[@MooMoo-q2t]

That meme was always super misogynistic. Shoe has been a reactionary loser for YEARS and has not changed much at all.

[@Whispitt]

Its very misogynistic, shoe dont need no man to be a dipshit.

[@ddogvtae9142]

​@@MooMoo-q2t no covid absolutely broke what was definitely a crumbling brain. She was annoying now she's actively deranged, though given how low she's fallen she has yet to hit racism, or terf shit as far as I know so there is hope to shake it out of her she knows how to read.

[@sebicmiel4221]

They were THE Anti-SJW couple back in 2016 lol

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

@@pepelag7278 To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time that dynamic had happened. 😄

[@DragonMaiden77]

Why can’t people like Greg and June ever understand the Tolerance Paradox, which pretty much cancels out the ‘both sides are bad’ argument they love to use? It’s why I can’t be charitable to people like them, that and because they’re super manipulative and obvious grifters, but y’know, mainly because their arguments are kinda bad and easily countered with simple rhetoric.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@DragonMaiden77 To be fair the left didn’t understand the tolerance paradox back in the bad days. It’s why they promoted Islam and didn’t push back against TERFs.

[@DalionHeartTTV]

I always get a good chuckle when some dunderhead responds with "there goes the tolerant left" or some inane crap like that, whenever I call out their intolerance.

[@tiralana8360]

To be totally fair tolerance isn't a paradox. It's a contract. As long as all sides are playing by the rules we're all good; but the moment one side breaks that covenant all bets are off.

[@neoqwerty]

@@DalionHeartTTV I like to liken it to a shitty player in a D&D game trashing everyone else's house trailing shit all over the floor and then not wanting to clean it up but demanding to still play. Or if they whine about it being the internet, I bring up my OG creds: rule Number Two for not catching the banhammer in literally every forum I've been it aside from the chans is "don't be an a-hole" with rule One being "don't argue with the mods". I don't usually hear from them again after comparing them to either That One Player or reminding them that their mythical lawless digital wild west never existed, even mailing lists would kick you out if you ignored being called out on the behavior.

[@the_pseudo_nim]

They could each be possible of understanding a great number of complex concepts but they're just so full of themselves there is no room for silly shit like tolerance, empathy or compassion.

[@zenbear9952]

I trust Greg on the anti sjw gamergate era as much as I trust him on his knowledge of Bill C-16. Which is to say not at all. I used to watch him and I think the last straw for me was when he went anti science on that Bill Nye show. I just can't stand anti science pseudo bs and he was going full on anti sjw at that point

[@poigntless]

Class affects everyone, so it's one of the only ways people like Greg can experience marginalization. He complains about people weaponizing identity politics (even as he attempts to run from his reactionary past), but this is him doing just that; telling everyone else to shut up so we can focus on his problem exclusively.

[@psychosalad6653]

Haven’t watched yet, but I’ll say this. I escaped the alt right pipeline five years ago, and it took me three years to care about politics again. I was scared about giving a shit again, and the guilt I felt about the person I became and the way I treated some was extremely overwhelming. I won’t hold my breath, but maybe Amroured Skeptic will be able to change over time, even if it takes several years. I won’t expect anyone to forgive him, I just hope people will have it in them to give Armoured Skeptic a chance to be better. But if that’s too much for me to ask, I don’t blame you.

[@AmberAmber]

You're far braver than you know - I've been working non·stop for 35yrs (began at 15) trying to help ppl out of H8. I'm soooooo proud of you & accept you fully with love & huge cyber·hugs❤❤🫂🫂

[@n0etic_f0x]

Nah if he was going to leave he would have jumped ship with TJ, Chris Ray Gun, Jeff Holliday, and Suris. They all jumped ship but he and Shoe went under and became totally insane.

[@idreadFell365]

I was too on the anti sjw bandwagon and now always feel a shame of that fact.

[@idreadFell365]

Though armored skeptic is still both siding this 🤦‍♂️

[@ConsciusVeritasVids]

@@idreadFell365 I had my chud phase too, and I'm lucky I got out of it before the rise of Trump's personality cult because I fear things could have been a lot worse.

[@robertcarsten4050]

The cowardice of Greg to make a collage of "spiffy suit" avatars and not including logicked because he know he swiped that style is so weak

[@JenniSeven7]

Loved how Logicked demolished him for that.

[@zerg0s]

It was hilarious how he made a video about his “biggest fuckups” at the end of the year that had the whole “skeptic clone” saga in it, and he didn’t even mention it or Logicked once in it. Last video I ever watched of Greg.

[@Jermbot15]

​@@zerg0sI like how he hopes we cared so little about the "Sceptic Clone Saga" that he can rebrand it as his only example of rebutting the Alt-Right content mill that he was a part of.

[@Nuvizzle]

Also shoutout to CreationistCat/HeyItsVadim for being one of the few big internet atheist KZbinrs who never even flirted with being a reactionary and continues to be based until this very day

[@xibalbalon8668]

The atheist space on youtube is so different nowadays, generally nicer and more educated, at least when talking about guys like Genetically Modified Skeptic

[@bluester7177]

​@@xibalbalon8668there is also belief it or not, mindshift, among others who are newer and seem to be pretty chill. It used to be hard to open atheists content because you never knew what you were going to get, it seems easier nowadays.

[@kylegonewild]

@@bluester7177 Belief It or Not is a great channel.

[@nonreligionist]

He never once made it clear that Armored Skeptic was a character separate from Gerg and is shocked when people don't see him as genuine. The dude only wants clicks and subs. I'm betting he'll swing further right, whether he genuinely holds those views or not, in a desperate attempt to become relevant again. He's a narcissistic grifter

[@ianking7511]

Any time you hear someone say 'I just want to have an open conversation' the conversation they want to have is 'are these people really human, though?'

[@Laezar1]

And they also perceive conversations about wether they should have privileges or not as an attack on them

[@mmdetoro]

"I'm just asking questions"

[@pepelag7278]

Reminder that Shoe has never apologized for anything, does not regret her old content at all and stands by the fact that she has not changed much since 2014 (that she was always a 'leftist'). I don't know if that's better or worse than doing the trolls remorse thing Greg is doing.

[@puckerings]

Shoe is not self-aware enough to apologize for anything.

[@pepelag7278]

@@puckerings She's also just proud of it. It's so funny she got this reputation for "switching sides" when that literally never happened. She just talked about Bernie for a few months and idiots like V*ush took her in, no apology needed.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@pepelag7278 Shoe is proud of two things, being anti-intellectual and being obnoxious.

[@Sinc3r3ly]

And she still uses slurs

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@pepelag7278 She talks about liking socialism but never about socialism. Like she is who the right is talking about when people say we just don’t want to pay for healthcare. It’s not that I don’t want to pay for healthcare it’s that I believe charging for healthcare is immoral. The thing is Shoe’s brand is opposed to using intellect, being smart is cringe so saying stuff like that annoys her fans.

[@Solstng]

It's so disingenuous to both sides this sort of thing. Even if the left and right where being equally toxic and abusive with their language. The left would STILL be better because they aren't trying to take peoples rights away. Like they really act like because there are two sides both side have equal credence. Also, nice slide there Greezee Greg™. He baited like he was gunna name names on right wingers that pushed him to make videos that he "wouldn't have made on his own", but instead just waffled for a few mins then named Contra Points for a thing that was already public knowledge cuz it was a thing in one of her videos! Absolute freak behavior. Spineless, freak behavior.

[@zenbear9952]

I bet he was contacted the same way Raygun was. Raygun admitted that he was approached by Prager who offered him a lot of money if he would do propaganda for them as a "centrist". Raygun never took the bag but I'm wondering If Greg was approached simialrly. HIs content did suddenly change a bit late into gamer gate. David Pakman also confirmed that Prager was trying to get him as well. I wonder how many "skeptics" were under Pragers payroll?

[@MooMoo-q2t]

Gerg is implying Shoe made him do anti-sjw content lel

[@neoqwerty]

@@zenbear9952 ..........Raygun, as in "a PhD on breakdancing culture doesn't necessarily mean you're Olympic-level as a b-girl" Raygun, or are there more Rayguns around?

[@zenbear9952]

@@neoqwerty lol no Chris Raygun. He was a HUGE anti sjw youtuber. Like way bigger than Greg or Sargon. He's since recanted all that stuff right around the same time as Hunter Avallone did

[@bobbybooshay5388]

This mofo acting like he wasnt Actively an insitgating force for the culture war. Talking like he didnt and hasnt picked a side. Hes definetly just trying to hedge his bets now that anti woke stuff is increasingly viewed as cringe.

[@xibalbalon8668]

It's still a whole grift industry, but one hostile to atheism and "skeptics" these days, I guess he can't really live off that

[@LaBlueSkuld]

Greg is literally the guy holding up the "Compromise?" sign while being between the Civil Rights Movement and KKK.

[@katyungodly]

I stopped watching him when he started doing anti-sjw content and didn't push back against the right wingers flooding into his community.

[@dannydorito1]

Me too. It was disappointing

[@Mangacide]

There's so much Both Sidesing going on in that video. Like; he's like that meme centrist where they're saying "How about we compromise and just do a LITTLE genocide". And then gets mad when the progressive side doesn't agree. Also sounds like he got video suggestions and did 0 actual research into the topics before running his mouth. "Men and women's issues should be worked on" ... That's LITERALLY feminism. He is describing feminism.

[@soistngcatstritchfavor]

@16:20 "I'm against sexism, racism, homophobia." Conspicuous leave out

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

He forgot agoraphobia. 😱

[@the_pseudo_nim]

Oh poor thing! Greg don't leave out Agora! I mean she smells a little funny but she's perfectly lovely.

[@puckerings]

Meh. He was talking about the Atheism+ movement from years ago, which predated significant discourse on trans issues online. So you're reaching here.

[@soistngcatstritchfavor]

@@puckerings I mean if it was a clip from back then yeah you'd have a point. But this is meant to be an apologue video. This is supposed to be him admitting he was wrong. There's no way he doesn't know that he contributed a good deal to early online transphobia (at least on KZbin). There's no way he doesn't know that a lot of people are still upset about that and that he hurt a lot of people with the things he said and videos he made. Even if trans issues weren't the focus at that time he should have thrown it in. You might have noticed that he didn't really mention it at all nor did he say any thing recanting any of his transphobia. So naw, I don't think it's a stretch. I think he made a choice to not include it cuz he's actually transphobic.

[@kylegonewild]

@@soistngcatstritchfavor I don't recall a single video about trans issues at all from Greg so maybe you can catch me up on what he said and the videos he made. Otherwise you're just stamping your feet because he only spoke to the things he was most vocal about which...is a thing you can do I guess.

[@TBTabby]

He's taking a step in the right direction, but he still has to accept that neutrality towards aggression is ultimately no different than siding with the aggressor.

[@kylegonewild]

Pacifists btfo with logic and reason

[@Nuvizzle]

"I wasn't attacking people for having progressive ideals, it was just the SJWs that were the problem" has big "I'm not anti-immigrant, I just think they should come in legally" energy.

[@WilliamBrowning]

Distinction without a difference

[@IndieLambda]

To be frank, about immigration, that was my stance, and then I learned how difficult it actually is and my stance now is that people who say "Open Borders" are stupid and should actually look into how fucked the whole process actually is.

[@kylegonewild]

@@IndieLambda The phrases "open borders" and "closed borders" are meaningless culture war distractions. There are 3 possibilities: high immigration, some immigration, no immigration. There's an argument to be had about whether high immigration or just some immigration is preferable, the only incorrect answer is no immigration. This country wouldn't exist with no immigration.

[@IndieLambda]

Well, technically a closed border is the Berlin Wall or the Korean Demilitarized Zone, so, a literal closed border is not good.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Who misses Creationist Cat?

[@Woodwhittling66]

Me!

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

@@Woodwhittling66 Me too!

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

Same here. The last time CC / Vadim posted anything was two years ago.

[@JPH1138]

Me, big time. I was actually googling him the other day and came away worried about if he's still alive.

[@pavlovsdogman]

He's very sick and has serious medical condition that prevents him from sleeping and gives him migraines and light sensitivity. He's too sick to make vids now! 🙏🐈‍⬛🐈

[@joearnold6881]

“I wish I was a bit nicer with my bigotry that I still believe”

[@klausd.6285]

I will forever hate it when people complain about violating someone’s free speech. So, one person is allowed to voice their opinion and never have anyone interrupt them or form an opinion to their opinion. That is not freedom of speech. You are actively saying that another individual isn’t allowed to say ANYTHING all because of someone else’s free speech. People who complain about others freedom of speech are not pro free speech.

[@Soopahperry111]

Yep. Getting publicly shat on for saying something stupid/racist/tonedeaf/etc is not a violation of freedom of speech.

[@xibalbalon8668]

Because they never cared about free speech. They just want to say vile shit without push back. It's more anti free speech to say someone can't call you racist

[@SenariXarn]

Ooo, I get to say "first"! Love your stuff man. Been following loosely since the first few Bible Reloadeds and have enjoyed your content the whole time. Cheers!

[@marsfeathers]

I actually cant stand hearing people "both sides" things anymore. It makes steam start shooting out of my ears as my brain works not to fucking explode from the cognitive dissonance

[@Lovehandels]

Ugh, that both side bullshit is bullshit

[@orgixvi3]

I think Greg can absolutely be saved and absolved of his dogshit positions of the past. If he can just let go of the centrist "middle ground" mindset, let go of his conspiratorial thinking, and take accountability for his actions, I think we can fix him. And I think this video, as wishy-washy as it was, is a small step in the right direction.

[@Spyderinagourd]

That's a lot of hope and charity in that statement

[@orgixvi3]

@Spyderinagourd I used to watch Greg back when he was doing atheism stuff, long before the culture war bullshit. I fell into some really shitty incel beliefs, partly because of him and June. That being said, I got out of it. I learned better, and I've grown as a person. I want the same for him as well. I believe anyone can change. The first step is introspection, of which Greg seems to have done at least some. Maybe not a lot, but we all gotta start somewhere.

[@MooMoo-q2t]

Are you guys dumb? This is a last ditch effort pivot for views. He constantly complains about his dying channel and about how poor he is. He’s 5 years late to what Hunter and h3 have already done. He’s manipulating people like you.

[@G1gaChan]

Everytime Jake calls religion "wacky" I remember westsidetyler calling him "bigoted" for not liking religion. Makes me chuckle, the persecution complex is unending.

[@themajesticmoose8147]

Is Westside the dude who keeps trying to do exposés on left leaning people like Demon Mama?

[@liamcolbert7876]

It's crazy to me that Greg is talking about how he felt like people were attacking him for being associated with the "Anti-SJW Skeptic clones" and for being a part of the culture war that he felt he was being misrepresented, and "tried so hard" to put forward his true self And at the same time he is literally admitting that people were right and he was listening to those right wing people in that circle and it was affecting the kinds of points he would make, and the kinds of videos he would put out So... they were right, why were you mad? You were influenced by the Billionaire Right wingers that were paying someone else to tell you what to say, and who you shouldn't go after, but its not his fault he's just a sensitive guy P.s. post receipts coward, Chris Ray Gun did a better job of saying his piece about a lot of the Anti-SJW space being paid out by rich right wingers with an agenda, he has a you tube short just saying basically "they came to me with the offer and I turned it down, but it became real obvious who took the money"

[@xibalbalon8668]

I wanna know more. There's the gamergate era guys making vids in their room, but then there's people like Steven crowder who had huge oil barron money propping them up early on. Almost all those guys had some connection to thr wilkes brothers or koch brothers, right wing dark money

[@grackyeck]

My heart sank a bit when I heard Jake say Rebecca Watson sucked. Glad that mixup was realized quickly. I thought Elevatorgate was a bit blown out of proportion when it first happened, but then a lot of anti-SJWs immediately started showing their ass, including Richard Dawkins. Rebecca is pretty much the only oldhead YT atheist that I still follow and respect that I was aware of in that era. (TBR didn't have any obvious proximity to the A+ stuff, and it was only a couple years ago that I realized Jake was THAT Jake.)

[@page8301]

What about AronRa?

[@grackyeck]

@@page8301 AronRa hasn't done anything I'm aware of to lose my respect, I just never followed him too closely. I could have worded it better to not seem like I've written everyone off, sorry.

[@page8301]

@@grackyeck I see, thanks for clarification. I thought that maybe you were under the impression that he had been part of the anti-SJW crowd so I was just probing a little. Hope you did not mind too much.

[@hornylink]

I also thought elevator gate was blown out of proportion at the time. Like I got the woman's complaints (I'm bad at names), they seemed reasonable, but the severity of her reaction seemed disproportionate, and then the chud reaction knocked me flat on my ass in how horrifically disproportionate it was compared to her complaints. I was also like 18 at the time, and in the 15 years since I've learned about how constantly being harassed/needled/marginalized and having to keep it bottled up causes a person to explode and have a disproportionately strong reaction to what still ends up being a reasonable complaint.

[@grackyeck]

@@page8301 Not at all! It's hard to remember the timelines clearly, so I didn't want to be too specific, but I ended up making the comment more vaguely judgmental than I intended.

[@joshuahensley9395]

I can still remember the video about post modernism that set off all the alarm bells in my head. Had no idea he would be a green man thou.

[@ragingdevi]

And also: Jesus. AND also: the Joker? 🤔

[@sparky8878]

Thinking back on the anti sjw stuff i feel so embarrassed i was on the side of Sargon and undoomed, feel super glad that i got away from that side of stuff.

[@readmarx420]

I was in the anti sjw crowd back in the day. Now I'm an out loud and proud trana woman. Safe to say I've recovered from the brain rot

[@Iban-Underground]

The hardcore right wing to trans women pipeline is surprisingly popular. Glad you got better!

[@sbushido5547]

_"If I'd have known this film had existed back then, it would have changed the course of my career."_ I'm glad he admits to building a career based on abject ignorance of a topic basically any of the blue-haired feminists he spent so much time mocking could have told him the truth about.

[@LyzLocked]

29:31 does... Does Greg not know that the furry community has been dealing with Nazi furs for decades? Greg, you are so very very out of the loop on furries, holy shit

[@kylegonewild]

The gay furry/femboy to uwuwnazi pipeline is real

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

I mean most people don't know much about furries

[@nerium.nerium]

Whenever "men's rights" comes up, I always think of this quote from Appleseed that goes something like "they're people who build their own cages and hide in them." The patriarchy hurts men too, but men are also the ones who built the system, so they're hurting themselves while elevating themselves at the same time. It's so disheartening that Greg doesn't realize patriarchy/toxic masculinity, and capitalism is the root of most of his woes.

[@Iridescence93]

to be fair after 2 hours of waffling he did sort of at least seem to be edging in that direction at the end. Even if his brain has been poisoned against the concepts of patriarchy and toxic masculinity it's what he was describing.

[@pavlovsdogman]

I think his moved further from the toxicity of the patriarchy than June has at least? She's simping for the new cool crew of anti woke KZbinrs that look kinda hip! Also I didn't build my own cage as a man, it was built for me by previous men 😑

[@Beelzeboogie]

This would have been more believable Greg, if you weren’t hanging out, often physically in person, with people like Lauren Southern and Carl Benjamin.

[@Iban-Underground]

It definitely feels like he's mentally unwell. The bits about trauma especially feel like projection from Greg. But combined with the past videos of "the ELITES run FOOTBALL GAMES during IMPORTANT EVENTS" feels like he's having a mental episode. Not sure what, not sure if it is, just really feels that way.

[@Meow_Tse-Tung]

I've been subbed to thunderf00t for probably 5 years now because he stopped making anti-SJW videos and has stuck to dunking on Elon Musk and calling out pseudoscientific bs. If he has other social media that he still does that stuff on, let me know.

[@zenbear9952]

Same. I like his channel for science and debunking con artists

[@Julez60]

Yea he got swept up in it years ago but he wasn't a reactionary and didn't go all in on the BS. He just seems like a liberal and does great job dunking on musk

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

Me too. Those videos are very entertaining.

[@bryanlinsmeyer3521]

He still did a little bit on his side channel for awhile after he stopped on his main channel, but I think it's been quite awhile since he's done any of it at all. I think he's honestly just a liberal who's kinda old and didn't really get it, but seemingly realized that all the people who agreed with him on anti-sjw stuff disagreed with him on basically everything else.

[@sorcererCermet]

his elon dunking content is good, but even still he has this weird stench to him. like i think he still has sympathies with the anti sjw shit, just chooses not to speak those idea spublicly anymore. if you want good elon musk critiques, go watch donoteat01 or the well there's your problem podcast

[@Ellie_deMayo]

Ha, Greg realizing his fanbase grew up and out of their edgy teen phase. And the new teens think he’s old and cringe.

[@audiebridge3103]

I rewatched the old armoured skeptic chick tract video the other day and saw that Greg commented on the video saying how funny it was only 7 months ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was up for a conversation with Jake, selfishly it would be great content for me to watch.

[@DalionHeartTTV]

I used to watch Armored Skeptic, until ShoeOnHead started making herself more present in and around his content, and I noticed he had started mirroring her really stupid takes. I checked out of his content so long ago that I stopped getting notifications from his uploads. Like I only just noticed I was still subbed to him today, and yet not once have I seen a single upload from his content come across my page or notifications. Guess KZbin just sort of figured out I wasn't into his crap anymore and blocked his content for me. I've unsubbed to him now, but it was funny that I didn't have to, in order to avoid his crap. The same thing happened to The Amazing Atheist, after he started shilling for Trump in 2016 for the "lol memes" then slipped into full throated endorsement like a bunk idiot the longer the election went on. I doubt Hillary helped her case much, with her weird fake enthusiasm and cringe mannerisms.

[@xibalbalon8668]

TJ is more on the left nowadays. I guess it's because of the drunken peasants and being exposed to people outside the right wing echo chamber. I don't really watch him so I'm not sure how better or worse he is than Greg, supporting Trump "for the memes" will always be embarrassing

[@kylegonewild]

@@xibalbalon8668 TJ always had some left-leaning tendencies but I know his type. Grew up around a few of them. Stubborn as fuck when he thinks he's right but willing to do a heel-turn when he finally thinks he is wrong.

[@SidheKnight]

@@kylegonewild _Stubborn as fuck when he thinks he's right but willing to do a heel-turn when he finally thinks he is wrong_ Isn't this how it's supposed to be? Why would you change your opinion if you don't think you're wrong? To fit in with the crowd? That's a very bad reason to change your views. He eventually decided he was wrong, and changed accordingly. And _how.._

[@nitehawk86]

@@xibalbalon8668 I haven't watched TJ in years either, but I don't believe a single person that says they supported Trump "for the lulz". 100% of the time they are just sorry they got backlash and are deep down are a racist motherfucker.

[@MooMoo-q2t]

I like how he’s doing this like… 5 years after Hunter, h3 and many others have apologized and tried to move left. He’s so late, it’s crazy. I really cannot help but think this is just for views because he fell off SO HARD. Also, it must suck to see his ex married and having a kid with someone else while you are posting about how alone you are and begging your fans for rent money. Greg is so tragic. Someone needs to make a long lore video about him.

[@orinjayce]

Greg striving to be aggressively mediocre since day 1.

[@TheCountOfMommysCrisco]

I once made the mistake of joining a politics chat channel on a Furry server. Holy shit how does that community harbor so many flagrant Nazis?

[@neoqwerty]

....soooooo did you accidentally find a nazifur server???? Because while furries have a problem with some groups, nazis are generally the one group they're most on the ball casting out, as far as I know.

[@Shadowman4710]

Just about every online group has that many flagrant Nazis.... ..because Godwin's Law is dead.

[@artemismeow]

Both sides? Only one side was calling the other side groomers as a blanket statement with no proof 😅

[@JLP802]

Trying to get rid of reactionaries by being a centrist is like trying to get rid of black mould by spraying it with a little bleach and literally doing nothing else. Cue the cries of "I sprayed it with bleach but the mould came back!"

[@androocifer]

Rebecca Watson is based a f. You must have meant someone else. 😂

[@Shadowman4710]

Yeah he meant Brianna Wu and corrected himself once chat pointed it out.

[@Laezar1]

This video is fascinating, he seems to be getting close to getting it right over and over again and then conclude the stupidest thing or veers into conspiratorial thinking. He seems incapable of owning up to beinh wrong. He has to be manipulated, tricked, or he thinks he was actually right but just didn't present thing the right way. The part where he says "contrapoint said I was bullying that person and then I went and bullied that person" ... well yeah??? clearly you were being a bully then, nobody forced you to do bullying. Imagine being in court like "your honor I can't be accused of murder. I only murdered that person because I was being accused of attempting to murder them". Also when he starts whining about him struggling with his identity and feeling pressured by people wanting him to be some way. Tough shit. I'm trans I know the feeling. And if I have the courage to be myself when it doesn't affect anyone but me you really have to be a coward to go and abuse people you have nothing against just to please others. Again, so close to getting it but somehow not getting it at all... really sad to watch.

[@dcluvspie5777]

I remember when he made that big self indulgent video with all the other creators at the time where he like rode horses and searched for Logicked. I remember seeing that and thinking ok this guy thinks he's the shit...

[@kroostyjuglerrz8635]

Holy shit I KNEW I recognised your voice from somewhere Congrats on getting out, or maybe not being as deep as I was. Very glad that I grew out of my edgy atheist antifeminist "I'm not a feminist, I'm an egalitarian" phase

[@Spectra651]

So basically Greg's "No, really, I'm not like other anti-SJWs!" video.

[@omegahaxors9-11]

"I used to be a nazi, now i'm not, join my patreon"

[@xibalbalon8668]

Peak mediocrity

[@artemismeow]

Ok so if my dude is “skeptical” then how did he end up with a bunch of bigots and religious fanatics? He had to give up on intellectual honesty at some point none of this shit was rational.

[@left4twenty]

Alienating your audience speedrun: Step one: build an audience off skepticism of religion and the religious influence on society Step two: swing to the right with skepticism of social equity and universal rights Step three: disavow your swing to the right Congratulations, you now have only the dregs of scoiety left in your audience, as you have alienated everyone else

[@subaru4920]

I wouldn't call out the anti sjws for bullying children, I was to scared. BUT I WOULD FALSELY ACCUSE PEOPLE OF RIPPING OFF MY UNORIGINAL CHANNEL!!

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Ahh Greggy, i wonder how he feels about the audience Shoe has amassed after dumping him

[@ravani_]

greg: "i'm trying not to pick a side" also greg: "it made me angry it made me very angry" if you know about where he said that you know he did pick sides and it wasn't a good one also his maligning of bill C16

[@MakooWallinen]

When Armored Sceptic says banned, he means banned from the Atheist Conferences and their community pages. If a conference was supported by Atheism+ they required that they had members in the boards etc, and this enabled them from having banning lists move from event to event.

[@subaru4920]

I can't believe that all these years later Armoured Skeptic, the guy who used two copyrighted PNGs to imitate a style that skeptics were using for years, is STILL insisting that these other channels all copied him despite being called out by the channels that came before him. "Your not original in any of the ways you think you are, and I for one have known it for years and kept quiet. But at this point you've allowed your z-list internet fame to go to your head worse than I've ever seen it happen to anyone before. To the point of becoming completely delusional, and delusional is the nicest thing I can call this because my only choices are to question your sanity or your honesty." -Logicked

[@mikeyahl7363]

Like many, Greg was a formative figure in my post-highschool "Le Reddit Atheist ™️" phase. The last straw was Greg saying "...Fascism is a Left-Wing ideology..." & I just snapped. I didn't even consider myself Left-leaning yet, but I knew that was off.

[@shamebegone]

He's soo whiny like a child

[@polihayse]

I used to watch this guy a lot, and now I feel so far away from him politically and in my understanding of politics. It's crazy how much I have grown compared to some of the creators I've watched in the past.

[@Spyderinagourd]

You put in the work to grow and better yourself, many of them never felt the need to or committed to it

[@polihayse]

@@Spyderinagourd When he talks, it is clear to me that he is trying to find a lane. However, in his attempt to find a lane he makes it so obvious how little he understands. It is obvious from the language he uses that he has the understanding of an enlightened centrist. Despite presenting himself as a skeptic, his thinking is confined within the current system.

[@polihayse]

@@Spyderinagourd I'm sure audience capture was also a factor in this. There is a monetary incentive to not grow as a person.

[@subaru4920]

Holy shit this guy is manipulative. Honestly tried the shotgun approach to justify his past actions 1. The were probably mostly bots, so it's not like I did much harm 2. Other anti SJWs bullied me 3. My comment section bullied me 4. I was feeling depressed so I decided to bully others 5. You know, the other side was bad to 6. People don't even know what I really believed 7. The KZbin _ALGORITHM_ ect ect.

[@amyallen6863]

wow he just cannot help himself from going into conspiratorial thinking

[@opinion3742]

Above all else I hate dishonesty. Why are there so many people so full of crap?

[@pepelag7278]

Oh wait this is yet ANOTHER video from Greg where he copes about not being popular anymore lol. "The algorithm stopped recommending me" no dude, your content is just really bad, weird and boring now.

[@Havelinakyle]

Greg seems to believe that more pop filters make the audio better

[@AmberAmber]

Love you so much @Actual Jake ❤❤❤❤

[@Andy-br1hq]

Did Greg become anorexic after the breakup?

[@avalonvt]

01:20:10 ish the saddest part is that up until this point in the video he's playing a character then here he drops the act and you can see genuine discomfort. He goes from hands moving around and displays with his whole body to almost retracting into himself, covering his mouth, and hands in front almost covering himself. I don't put much stock into that kind of stuff because it can just be staged, but it kind of feels genuine in that moment. I bet he sees that as the moment the fire nation attacked. And I guarantee he doesn't know that it was entirely caused by him.

[@artemismeow]

Dark matter doesn’t do anti saw content anymore. He even apologized for the crap he did post. :/ It’s actually a really wholesome channel now

[@mvg5767]

Shoe dumped him and he's been doing his best to distance himself from her since, dude has constantly been taking swipes at her and the genre, especially now she's got a very conservative husband

[@choo-choo4922]

Wait you mean the late 2010s breadtubers were just right about everything and the channels spreading misogyny, racism, and harassment were wrong? Who could have known this? Who could have foreseen this strange twist of fate?

[@unclegumbald989]

21:09 Niiiice Overdrawn at the Memory Bank reference

[@n0etic_f0x]

You know it is weird but I don't really regret Jake's role in the era being talked about. I feel the same way about TJ, Chris Ray Gun, Jeff Holliday, and Suris. The left was lame back then but it has not been like that for about five years. This is engagement farming please argue with me. I can name people on the left that use ID Pol a lot. Xan, President Sunday, Steve Shives, Essense of Thought, Lilly Orchard, Peter Coffin, and DJ Muel. There are a few more that did but are so irrelevant they don't matter or have basically no leftist politics Sh0e and Jimmy Snow are two more that claim to be leftists that are just Libs and hold to no doctrine of leftism granted Xan is now with them.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

Lilly Orchard... ugh...🤢🤮

[@ConsciusVeritasVids]

Calling Shoe a liberal is being pretty generous to her

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@ConsciusVeritasVids Shoe is a right wing libertarian. So… yeah, you are correct. She is at least not a fascist.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

Lilly Orchard... ugh... for so many reasons... just ugh...

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@ExtremeMadnessX Yeah and I was told she I leftist KZbin… no thanks. Her and Coffin got promoted so hard as the biggest leftist creators and I am so glad they tanked.

[@TBLIVIN]

Armored Skeptic is REAL!?

[@CorndogMaker]

Those you mentioned have always been pretenders. Amazing Atheist Rabidape and DPR are the real skeptic KZbinrs from that era. Their arguments are still the best against the secret weapon of modern fascism, namely evangelicals. Their brand of antithism is desperately needed.

TJ's old fire died when Trump took office. He was ok for a while following 2016 but he and Paul's Ego turned into a doom-pilled loser.

[@themajesticmoose8147]

I feel that 2016-2018 was the last hurrah for a lot of those old true skeptics like TJ. While their arguments do hold up extremely well, I feel like the political scene has changed so much that they had to either adapt or die. Not to say that conservatives and their ilk have changed. Their mask has changed or more appropriately, at this point there is no mask. Like how can you debate the ideas of a person that just wants to put you before a firing squad? You can't, there is not debating this stuff anymore with those people. This is the reason I think people like TJ and others are not as relevant as they used to be. Debate is dead, or at best it was just for conservative to bide time for their eventual purging of the 'undesirables'.

[@MrPiotrV]

"real communists don't like freedom of speech" gonna need a source on that, mate

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

Dude thinks that communism is when you have a dictator

[@adamplentl5588]

I literally do not recall Greg being associated with Atheism+ at all ever.

[@adamplentl5588]

Like I think he's straight up lying.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

Yeah I straight up don't think he even mentioned it in his content at the time.

[@kylegonewild]

I don't think he was affiliated with his public persona. If I'm remembering correctly, and I might not be it's been so long, he was mostly a lurker.

[@melbatoast.]

Women do have a responsibility to not uphold harmful standards for men and accept that they can be vulnerable and that’s okay imo

[@maxflow151]

Rebecca watson is awesome

[@nonesuchone]

“You forced trans people to essentially become posters to survive” is a damn incisive take - never thought of it like that 🙌 🌽🙌

[@BrickGriff]

Sabine H kinda sucks... thought that's whom you were thinking

[@DefinitelyAPotato]

God the guy's SO CLOSE to getting it and can't stop saying "both sides"

[@williammullinax6130]

I wouldn't include thunder foot with the others in the thumbnail. The dude reigned it in quite early and never did the both sides thing.

[@steppman2]

1:56:00 probably the video he’s saying was “hidden” lol, it just wasn’t in his center-right bubble and now it catches up to him.

[@christopherwilliams9418]

I straight up thought the title of the documentary was "The Masculemon" until I heard Jake pronounce it lmfao

[@tristanband4003]

The long haired whose name I forgot...I liked him when he took on Ray Comfort. To watch him and so many others go off the deep end was a heartbreak for this atheist.

[@nahmate6584]

I’m only 30 minutes in but god I wish he would have brought at least 1 receipt. His revisionist history is infuriating and the 1 example thunderfoot was horrible. A+ was such a minor movement I’m surprised any of the KZbin atheists even knew it existed. Even Matt Dilihunty was anti-A+ and had a famous run-in with them.

[@HimslGames]

When the video just devolves into him recommending movies.

[@Thunderjames]

I do genuinly hope that this is the first step in Greg's road of development and that he manages to grow and move more to the left. Sometimes it takes a long ass time to come to terms with these things an hopefully he'll do it!

[@qwellen7521]

Despite how hard you scrub greg; you wont get the blood out.