USS Robin: A Desperate Deceit (Part 2)

[@redskindan78]

Here is a detailed account of "Victorious" as "USS Robin". From a thesis by Chris Sheehy at the University of New Brunswick, it is the most detailed I have found. Helpfully, it includes the reviews that USN carrier aviators wrote about Victorious and RN officers wrote about Saratoga. Lessons for each. Notable: the USN was deeply impressed by the FDO, and adopted it. The USN -- including Joe Clifton -- found that the Victorious did not launch an airstrike quickly enough to survive a Pacific carrier-carrier battle. That might have been the source of Admiral King's contemptuous comments. Note, of course, that the USN had been painfully slow in launching at Midway, at least when compared to the Japanese. The US practiced and improved. So did the RN, as can be seen in all the actions before the BPF joined the US 5th Fleet in 1945.

[@rogerpattube]

6:00 Please refrain from strafing your own ship when landing. Thank you for your attention, ground crew.

[@Jmp5nb]

Excellent production, using quality archival footage and extraordinary first person accounts! Sound and video complement each other-masterful work.

[@Housey1985]

What a bunch of excellent gentlemen...truly the greatest generation

[@forthleft]

Thanks for doing these. They're very stylish & respectful.

[@John-ci8yk]

Part two just as good as part 1, thank you , thumbs up. I especially liked how you did not censor the World War II veteran's comments, despite some of them having an R rating.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

It's great to hear from the men who were there. Sadly most WW2 vets are gone now.

[@terrypbug]

These are fantastic docs that I haven't seen TY very different perspective

[@NickRatnieks]

I can remember Victorious in Portsmouth Harbour for a refit- then that small fire broke out, which was used as a convenient excuse to scrap her, a great shame.

[@leehotspur9679]

I was on that ship at the time The fire started in the senior rates mess from a water heater The fire did a lot of damage The bulkheads were like new plate ,the builders marks on the plate showed which would of been white lead paint, I served on that ship for 2 years Actually glad to get off in the end

[@salamanderpete]

Really enjoyed these, thanks a lot 👍🏻😀

[@thomaslawson801]

Suggestion. Make a video about the Royal Navy Submarine service in the Pacific during ww2. Like these videos. Respect from America.

[@ArmouredCarriers]

I may be able to find audio accounts of this. I'll keep an eye out.

[@roybennett9284]

And while your at it the brave Dutch,who took up residence in Fremantle ,was, Australia.

[@dixiefallas7799]

Brilliant history there.🇬🇧

[@redskindan78]

Wonderful to hear these voices.

[@Dog.soldier1950]

The IJN had superior night fight until mid 42 when the Ford Mk 1 fire direction system coupled with radar and gun direction arrived. Brits had a similar system. The axis never came up with a competitive system and the allies thereafter owned the night

[@TheAngelobarker]

The Italians developed decent enough radar right before the armistice. The an italian cruiser were able to engage and destroy a bunch of pt boats at night.

[@Dog.soldier1950]

@@TheAngelobarker that is not the same as the USN system. It was the integration of radar and a analog computer (Ford my 1, later my 2) that could calculate ship speed, direction,flight of the round, atmospheric conditions, enemy speed and direction.

[@CorePathway]

Damn, the landing gear on those F4F’s was narrow. Respect to the pilots and deck crew were brave AF

[@jaybee9269]

Very well done!

[@luislealsantos]

Great documentary. Excelent. Thank you

[@jerryallen34]

Excellent again. Thank you

[@rvail136]

If i remember correctly, the Midway class were built with armored flight decks because of the experience of the "USS Robin". Tha was a mistake the US made witth our carriers.

[@ArmouredCarriers]

The USN had been considering the idea since the 1930s. But the survival of HMS Illustrious against 7 bombs - including one 2200lb/1ton bomb - and the disabling effect of bombs in early US carrier losses prompted the change. www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-midway-the-usn-armoured-flight-deck-aircraft-carrier

[@ErmIDK19]

My grandad served all over the world as a gunner during the war on board ships. I wish I,d of spoken to him about his experience,s as I,m told he had a very interesting war . But unfortunately I was to young when he died

[@robertshaver4432]

Wildcats landing next to Sea-fires????? @ 5:38 thru and maybe somewhat beyond @ 6:04 The best shot @ 6:23 Never seen that before! Am I correct here? Fantastic Video both part one and this Part 2.

[@ArmouredCarriers]

Wildcats (called Martlets in the Royal Navy) did operate alongside Seafires in 42 and 43. The RN asked Grumman to build folding wing versions of the Wildcat in 1940. But the outbreak of war with Japan saw deliveries cut short as the USN raced to build up its own naval aviation forces. The Seafires and Sea Hurricanes were a stop-gap to fill the shortfall. They offered better interceptor capability but the Wildcat had much superior CAP performance.

[@robertshaver4432]

@@ArmouredCarriers Thank You for bringing forth the interesting lessor known happenings like the USS Robin. I'm interested in the specifics of actions of CVLs and the CVEs particularly the "in Battle" usages. Did the Oil tanker conversions CVs see "action" with their Wildcats. Were they limited to Wildcats for the entire war? many questions regarding the smaller carriers. there was a class of purpose built CVLs of that 50 were made in one year. where and how were they utilized? and so much more! Again Thank you, love your videos! Cheers: Robert

[@ArmouredCarriers]

@@robertshaver4432 I hope to find enough material to do some episodes on CVL's in the future. I don't know a lot about US CVE's at this stage. But the RN used them (almost all US built from memory) in combat operations in the invasions of Italy and the South of France (flying Seafires, but also some Wildcats). One or two were also used on strikes by the RN Indian Ocean Fleet. Mostly, though, in the Pacific they were used in support. To provide CAP for the supporting tanker and at-sea resupply groups, and replacement air crew and aircraft for the forward fleet carriers. This was true for both the RN and USN. The USN CVLs (cruiser conversions) saw a lot of action with the main fleet. The RN CVLs (Colossus class) arrived a month or so too late to join combat operations - but their cost effectiveness saw them heavily used postwar.

[@robertshaver4432]

@@ArmouredCarriers Thank You!

[@chrispinkney8182]

Thanks ...

[@roybennett9284]

The Japanese had the long Lance topeatoes with a ridiculous range..agile fighters,and a desire to die for their cause and big cheeses

[@matthewmoore5698]

Really good stuff

[@crusader5989]

One of my top 3 channels on youtube. Can you make a vid about the Firefly and the Seafury???😍 Thanks!

[@ArmouredCarriers]

Heh, yes. I will. They're on the list. Not sure when they'll appear. But I'll get there.

[@StuPony111]

Incredible true stories at first hand,so many narrow escapes, blue on blue

[@joechang8696]

I think in this period, late 42 to mid-43, the Japanese had more than 1 operational large carrier, both Shokaku's and the two new Hiyo's, but their experienced aircrews were expended, or were being expended in the Solomons campaign.

[@razorburn645]

Not just air crew but experienced sailors on the carriers. That's what killed the Taiho. She weathered the torpedo hits but the damage control wasn't very good so it turned into a giant fuel air bomb. You can have the best ships and the best planes but they are useless without the personnel.

[@abizard5899]

prajurit ku yg tangguh tangguh di segala medan tempur...dlm alat perang militer ku...

[@ramal5708]

The video forgot about the USS Enterprise, even though she was damaged, she was only out of action for two weeks tops and she's fully patched up for the next major battle. Saratoga was focused more on transporting aircraft role and more reserve role. Plus they didn't renamed it Robin it was merely a radio callsign or just callsign, they still keep the name HMS Victorious. Plus this deployment doesn't convince the IJN much in leaving Guadalcanal area, the subsequent Naval Battles of Guadalcanal really convince the Japanese to consider their further actions in Guadalcanal During the Victorious service in Pacific with USN, Enterprise was still in the South Pacific area in Espiritu Santo, before being recalled to Pearl Harbor in May 1943

[@davidsyth5330]

Love the videos but its hard to hear, voices sound far away.

[@johnnieharper2221]

They are in heaven

[@billbolton]

Isn't this the same as the last one? Worth watching again.

[@ArmouredCarriers]

Yes: You will experience a few "repeats" as I go back over old files that had especially bad audio balancing and levels. I'll try to remember to turn off notifications!

[@billbolton]

@@ArmouredCarriers worth watching again, it's a rare treat to hear the word 'muckle' used.

[@nole8923]

You Brits court marshal guys for stupid mistakes. I think the American navy would at most just take his wings away for a while and give him spud duty.

[@roybennett9284]

Yes and they used to shoot people at dawn for desertion..when like people were afraid,effected by the conditions,shell shock to the men who were at the pointy end

[@bnipmnaa]

Yes, you yanks do seem to be far more tolerant of crass & dangerous stupidity. Perhaps it's a reflection of the differences between our cultures?