Armstrong Mid-length 75L Review / Best Wingfoil Board of 2024?

Armstrong Mid-length 75L Board
Armstrong DWP 755
Duotone Unit 6M

[@dragonfly9748]

Nice review Andrean. After 3 weeks I have come to the same conclusion. At 85 kg with HA880/180 the stinkbug was surprisingly easy to start. I had reservation due to the 20" narrowness. But it turns out it is not an issue. The 6'1" length provided a good stable platform and hull water release. At the 10 mast setting the ML 75 board/foil combo came alive. Minimum swing weight. All carving and transitions were smooth. Pumping is actually very good. Just need to get used to the cadence. A true one board quiver from 3.5 to 6.5m conditions. It does work in light wind taxi with some power in the wing. Not the most efficient but doable. You just need to have your feet closer to the middle of the board. At this point wondering if I can make the HA780/140 as my daily driver instead. Can't predict the future the ML shape might be the future for winging? Armstrong hit a home run with this one.

[@andreannovakov9410]

Right on Brother! I share your sentiment, Armie did well with the ML boards. Have you tried the DWP series, specifically the 755 front wing? I strongly encourage you to try them (685 and 755) first before committing to HAs. I sold all my HAs V1 and V2 after riding the 755, it's like the 925 just better in every aspect. I feel the HAs V2 are more for prone foiling than winging.

[@dragonfly9748]

@@andreannovakov9410 Good tip on the DWP 755. Never thought that wing would work for winging.

[@veskupaananen]

My (80 kg) quiver is ML55 and ML85. Epic stuff!

[@andreannovakov9410]

Epic indeed. In retrospect, I would have done the same ML55/85 set as you. Be safe out there

[@andreasonline9282]

Hello WHa for a weight do you have and for what wind conditions can you recommend this board ?

[@eugenek4916]

Nice review. Thank you. BTW, what is your harness line? - nice combination of flexibility and a stiff middle.

[@andreannovakov9410]

Thank you for your comment! I am using WIP Wing Harness 2.0, it's very light and has back padding. I actually have two WIP wing belts, one for each board, this way never forget the harness and each wing has its own harness line. Thank you again!

[@eugenek4916]

@@andreannovakov9410 I did recognize the harness, I was actually more curious about the harness line - which one is that?

[@andreannovakov9410]

@@eugenek4916 I am using North wing harness line 25". I also tried WIP lines but did not like them, North lines are better

[@venomguysydney]

The 55L ML is one of the best boards I have ridden , even for light winds, 84kg, mostly using the HA 980

[@ademirodonto]

hey how's it going? Brother, congratulations on the content!! I'm making my own MIDLEGHT 75 LT for financial reasons. Could you please measure in CM how much is being given from TAIL to TRACK? THANK YOU and CONGRATULATIONS for helping the ARMSTRONG community.

[@andreannovakov9410]

Super excited about your build. The Armie 75L foil box starts 415mm from the bottom edge of the board. The foil box itself is 320mm, so the balance point is 575mm from the bottom edge of the board. Hope this helps.

[@secondlife7976]

I'm living in Miami so sharing similar conditions. Currently I have only one Kt Dragonfly 95l and happy with it for summer days. Soon season will start and I was thinking to replace it with ML from Armstrong. Previous season I was on 88l from North. What do you think about 1 board quiver 65l ? Never had experience with sinker boards. Minimum was equal to my weight which is about 80 kilo. Could you please share your wing quiver and foils for our conditions. I'm intermediate.

[@andreannovakov9410]

Thank you for your comment! Very interesting thought about one board quiver, that's exactly what I am thinking about at 74kg weight to have one 65L board. I went out with the 58L FG board yesterday when it was slight offshore and it was pain to start with spotty wind. Went out today at noon when it was blowing 12kts with the 75L it was super nice. Being 80kg you'll be closer to my situation with the 58L FG and may struggle when wind is lighter. Find me on the local whatsup wingfoiler group, happy to lend you the 75L ML for a day. Thank you again! Andrean

[@flywithandryx-tw9zk]

Nice Review! I am getting also the ML 75. Thinking of selling my FG 70 instead. Probably no need any more. I got the HA 980, which has nice glide but not much speed for Winging. Which tails do you use on yr setups and which Shimming. Can you also share your Mast pos.? Last i notice you have a cool board leash can you share the model? Thx Bro and Aloha🤙🏾

[@andreannovakov9410]

Right on Brother! You're going to love the ML75. Since I got the ML I only rode the 58FG once as our winds are pretty light during the summer here in FL. I strongly encourage you to look into the DWP front wings. I sold all my HAs, they're too slow for winging. I personally ride mostly the 755. Harness line is North and belt is WIP, fairly lightweight setup. Mast position is 3.5 counting from back of the mast plate. Aloha!

[@flywithandryx-tw9zk]

@@andreannovakov9410 thx a lot mate! keep it up! 🤙🏾

[@danielkomar6095]

Great review! I am looking to find a new all year-round board for myself and this ML board seems to be the most suitable, I am contemplating between the 85L/75L, I weight about 83kg with gear so not sure if I would be able to get up on foil easily with the 75L with winds ranging 11-13kts... Now that you felt the 75L would you have gone with the 65L one?

[@andreannovakov9410]

That's a tough choice. You're about 8-9 kg heavier that me, so the 75L will definitely get you going in 11-13 kts, but you will be on the water line so the board will feel a bit more pitchy. I would say this - if you're going to use the ML as single do-it-all board then go with the 75L. If you're going to have two boards, one for >15kts and one for

[@maxwroblewski]

@@andreannovakov9410 Good advice. I'm 80kg and got the 75L after contemplating the 65L. Very happy with it! Do I wish I had the 65L on windy days? Yes. But for low wind days this board is magic. For a one board quiver I would go 75L if you're

[@andreannovakov9410]

@@maxwroblewski Right on Brother! And congrats on your purchase! Are you considering 55ML or 58FG as a second board?

[@maxwroblewski]

@@andreannovakov9410 I'll try the 75 as a one board quiver for a while and if I need a smaller board the 55ML would be great but might look into other brands. I've been riding only F one gear up until now. Loving the Armie 75 tho!

[@fafaruman]

Hi Andrean, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the ML75. I'm about the same weight as you and also ride the FG58L. Love this board when the conditions are right > ~15kt but can be a struggle if the wind drops. I can't decide if I should go for ML65 or ML75... What's your thoughts on the tradeoff maneuverability / ease of starting. What would you recommend?

[@andreannovakov9410]

That's a very interesting question! I think the answer would depend on your use case. If you are trying to end up with only one board, then I would say go with the ML65. If you plan on having two boards, then ML75 would be a better choice. The overlap between FG58 and ML65 is significant, the ML65 being more versatile. If you like the FG you'll certainly love the ML. ML takes off easier and carves better, doesn't pump as well. Let me know what you think after you get your ML board. Thank you for your comment!

[@fafaruman]

@@andreannovakov9410 many thanks for your review and answer. Super cool that you share your knowledge and opinion. I went with the ML75 and I love it! My low end improved so much that it gave me the confidence to use my smaller foil and do long rides in our bay. Great carving and I love going upwind and downwinding with the swell with the ML. I am now very curious about trying out faster / glidier foils. Any thoughts on the DWP 685 vs ha680?

[@andreannovakov9410]

@@fafaruman Congrats on your new ML75!! About the front wings, my honest opinion is that HAs are for prone foiling specific, too much kick and lift is not linear. I went with DWP755 and never looked back at the HAs, in fact I sold all my HAs. For my conditions 685 and 680 are too small, so couldn't give you any feedback. I now have one powered type foil kit Armie DWP755 and for light days I use SABFOIL Razor Pro 975 and also 875 for in between days. Hope this helps and congrats again! Let me know which foil you end up with.

[@vintagevibeguitarstechtips6173]

Great video. How are you securing your video camera to your wing?

[@andreannovakov9410]

Thank you for your comment! I printed the mount in 3d for boom clamp, but did not like it... it was too close to my elbow. In the process of designing a new strut mount, will test it next week and if it works post the STL file for sharing. Cheers

[@florianspringer7817]

Nice review! I m same weight as you and I wanna downsize from 85l broad for eith th fg70l or this mid length but I live in canaries island wind is rarely below 20kt.. what would you recommend? Thanks for your help! Enjoy the summer!

[@andreannovakov9410]

Thank you for your comment! I would recommend for you to try the 58L FG board first, it's surprisingly easy to mount. I am a beginner/intermediate rider and have no issue starting on the 58L when conditions are right. If the 58L does not work you, only then look into the 70L FG. Mid-lengths are better for light conditions. So stoked about your place...one day will come and visit!

[@florianspringer7817]

⁠you are welcome! Armstrong community rocks😎

[@stveloop9452]

Does the mast position you use account for the swing weight even though its the same position as the FG?

[@andreannovakov9410]

The mast position using Armie's numbering on the boards is the same for both, FG and ML, at 3.5 measuring from the bottom tip of the mast plate. Seems that my foot position is identical on both boards relative to the foot straps. I only change my stance width based on how large front wing is, larger the wing..wider the stance. Cheers

[@deanmayke6959]

I’m wondering if the 85L Mid length would be ok for me I’m 90Kg and ride the 130L fg board now but ready for a change, also have 99L fg too, but don’t use it much as it requires a fair amount of wind ….so could the 85L mid replace my 130fg board ?

[@andreannovakov9410]

That's a tough question. The ML85 would be just below the water surface for you and that would make mounting the board a bit more challenging. Also, nose of the board is pretty narrow...so upward pitch when taxing is a must at your weight. Hard to say on ML85. Have you tried any of the Armie DW boards? The folks here in Miami are absolutely stoked riding them in light conditions. I am a small rider so ML works better for me, please consider DW and maybe borrow one from your Armie dealer for a day. Let me know what you decide. Cheers

[@bobkowalski4153]

I'm 88kg with gear on and have the 85ML. Absolutely loving it. We have only light winds and I get up much earlier and can take a smaller foil. The back of the board is below the water a bit but it quickly raises when you have a little wind. I can only recommend it. I'm an intermediate rider.

[@deanmayke6959]

Thanks Bob, I went to my dealer and he mentioned they are launching a 100L version in September, so may wait for that

[@bobkowalski4153]

@@deanmayke6959 in general, for this board you can take about 10l less of what you usually take.

[@李奕纬]

Hi.Bob.I'm73kg and ride 75l board now.I want to buy a MG board (65L volume).The volume is ok? @@bobkowalski4153

[@Zander-gm5gc]

You are 83kg?

[@andreannovakov9410]

I am between 74-76 kg depending on the day of the week :)

[@wingfoilrentals]

Yeah go close. I’d say the duotone is the better midlength wingboard

[@andreannovakov9410]

I had Duotone Sky Style 65L for about a year and loved the board, construction was as good as Armstrong. However, Duotone foil box is too short for Armstrong foils or any of the newer generation like Axis ART PRO and SABFOIL Razor Pro. Aside from the foil tracks being too short, Duotone makes awesome boards.

[@wingfoilrentals]

@@andreannovakov9410 I meant the sky-brid they solved the foilbox

[@SailingOutventure]

the skybrid is much wider / shorter at the same volume than the ML. It will be easier to get on, but also loses efficiency.

[@wingfoilrentals]

@@SailingOutventure best wingfoil midlength being the topic. I’ve got a few custom midlengths and the optimum efficiency (starts) and waves 🌊 wingfoil useage being neutral bouancy at 23in 6foot 8 long. I’ve gone slightly longer at 8feet for SUPfoil paddle up at 21.5. +15ltrs Could definitely reduce width to 20 in thus situation

[@SailingOutventure]

@@wingfoilrentals yeah, i agree. However, at some point, one may want to factor in ease of transportation. I‘ll go with a KT ginxu super k 6‘1“ for that reason now as i want to travel with it as well (in plane, rental car, RV).

[@Alfonso_111]

KT Ginxu Super K for (mid length) board of the year

[@laurikaapa]

Did you try both? Armstrong mid-length and Super K? I am wondering between the two