ARMYs GONE TOO FAR?! BTS's Message to ARMYs Over BIGBANG Taeyang

[@HulkVahkiin]

The ignorance of BTS fans, lol. Know your history, BIGBANG did in fact help open the doors for K-pop globally.

[@mzlil]

Ikr! I even end up having a nonsensical argument with my 31 year old female cousin over Bigbang and BTS about who opened the wave for all K-pop bands. Taeyang explained it clearly how I felt but my cousin wouldn’t have it. It was interesting debating with her as she was the one who was a fan of bigbang when they first came out and introduced me to them. Crazy how she wouldn’t acknowledge BB’s history.

[@luzindaausi9412]

How???? kindly explain they opened the doors of Kpop globally . You see there is difference between being inspired someone and it happens alot with all artists as young ones are always inspired by old ones or even admired them. But that doesn't mean opening doors of kpop globally as you are claiming.

[@mkim5344]

@@luzindaausi9412 I’m Korean and if you do some research, you will understand that Big Bang helped open the doors for kpop.This is the reason why other idols respect them. And please don’t forget about Psy too

[@luzindaausi9412]

@mkim5344 That is why most international fans don't agree with that statement that big bang opened doors for kpop globally. And I am also one of those international people from Africa. Hence the reason why I asked you to explain how. Now you my friend as a korean who strongly believe they did, just explain to me. Perhaps use this as an opportunity to educate most of us people from other parts of the world who are not korean like you. Don't be defensive about it.....I hear go do research. You must be able to point out exactly how they did that without feeling ambushed. I mean I can explain to you now how I think BTS did it in my opinion without deflecting. However since we talking about a group you claim to know damn well how they opened doors of kpop globally , I am not wrong to ask you to educate and enlight some us then we can also start to appreciate their efforts. Please don't talk of Psy he was a one hit wonder on global stage just like many other western artists. And for sure it didn't change the way kpop was viewed globally not until BTS came on the scene. And that is a fact. And also no one is dismissing the impact of big bang music on the Korean music market within Korea and perhaps Asia.

[@Dain-zz8bb]

​@@luzindaausi9412that you know this before BB is first kpop group to enter the billboard First kpop artist to collaborate with Western artist First kpop group to won an international award (They had concert in America in 2014 I was also there with my parents ) Say thanks to their bad luck everything stuck in the middle

[@-xtfyfdtsearxstd]

Bts fandom is getting more embarrassing every single day. I hope they learn to touch some grass

[@nikaywright]

While there are some troublesome fans in fandom. One recent new fans are kids 2. Alot of those comments came from fake pages. This is in no way condoning this behavior, because Real Army set those that were disrespectful straight so don't put all in same box.

[@bernadettepetrass7825]

@@nikaywrightthank you well said. 💜

[@eternalgoldenJK]

same as you kpopies hating on bts everyday cause they actually paved the way and are the biggest in the world? i don't think armys are still up to that level of toxic kpopers

[@-xtfyfdtsearxstd]

@@nikaywright whenever any issue occurs, the argument that u always throw at ppl faces is "these r fake pages". Believe me, nobody's that much obsessed or jobless. Its just the fandom that is purely TOXIC. That time armys BULLIED James Corden to dëäth, dont come and tell me it wasn't armys. It was your fandom! Take responsibility. I would say: 35% of the fandom is peaceful and mature and supportive to others. While the other 65% is just unbearable.

[@-xtfyfdtsearxstd]

@@eternalgoldenJK armys r WAYYYY more toxic, seems to me like u r blindly defending the fandom that caused major harm to almost everyone our there.

[@kwekuafriyieoforibanks-yg4yv]

I will say that Big Bang paved the way for all kpop bands not only BTS and BTS is following their footsteps

[@luzindaausi9412]

@kwekuafriyieoforibanks-yg4yv debatable

[@Okie-s1u]

Yeah true~ Most idols we see today are idols first of all cuz BIG BANG inspired them to become one

[@Tangerine-yc2uy]

Exactly

[@bimotok757]

How can a group that never enter Billboard Hot 100 paved the way globally? 😂😂😂

[@bimotok757]

J Cole is J Hope idol, and do not make J Cole pave the way. 😂😂😂 Please use your brain properly. Do you will say King Joseon paved the way too? 😂😂😂

[@kresspqressie7722]

2NE1, SUJU, SNSD, BIGBANG are group who famous international and paved the way for next generation globaly. For solo category we have RAIN and PSY. IF u never heard about them. You just live in cave lol. Even me who live in cave often heard their music everywhere back then, or seeing their face in any imitation merch that people buy lmao

[@Germandjpower]

dont forget wondergirls they were pioneers even if the us was not ready for kpop back then

[@jackiesailo4429]

Don't left out Boa, She was just 16/17 back then. She was famous as hell too

[@AdhvikG-lm5og]

NEXT GEN, they didn't paved the way globally

[@kresspqressie7722]

@AdhvikG-lm5og ah u must only living in western huh. Do love in your mom era or not. At least do u live in your Elder sibling or not. Chil bro everyone has their own time to shine and world know about it. Just if we talk about other filed like anime. Back then Naruto famous globaly and now AOT famous globaly. Why people so salty Edit : typos

[@kresspqressie7722]

@@Germandjpower true, their English version of nobody but u really viral back then. When not everyone have smartphone or PC and social media account

[@RavageX2]

Saying BTS doesn’t owe Bigbang anything for their success is simply not true. While Bigbang didn’t directly contribute to BTS’s rise, they played a crucial role in expanding the global reach of K-pop. Despite being only the second generation of idols, Bigbang’s influence on K-pop and the world was unparalleled. GD, in particular, introduced the first light stick for Bigbang, known as Bangbong, into their concerts. This innovation has since become a standard feature at major K-pop events. GD also wrote several chart-topping songs that propelled Bigbang to fame, including Haru Haru, Bad Boy, and Bang Bang Bang. At the time, the three major media companies, YG, JYP, and SM, favored carefully crafted songs for their idols. It was unprecedented for an idol to write and perform their own material. GD shattered this tradition and demonstrated its success. As a result of Bigbang’s success, YG finally allowed GD to release his solo album while still a member of the group. At that time, releasing a solo album was seen as a sign of group disbandment. However, Bigbang proved this wrong by continuing to perform together after each member pursued individual projects before regrouping to create even more Bigbang songs. To suggest that BTS doesn’t owe Bigbang anything is absurd. BTS is a talented group with their own achievements. However, these accomplishments were largely built upon the foundation laid by Bigbang’s work. BTS, the epitome of the ideal manufactured idol group, embodies all the criteria for success. While Bigbang undoubtedly has its quirks and flaws, they also excel in the same categories as BTS, albeit with a distinct personality. Imagine Bigbang as Lightning McQueen and BTS as Jackson Storm from Pixar’s Cars. If BTS’s choreography falters, it’s noticeable, but if Bigbang’s is off, it’s almost expected. When was the last time GD was perfectly synchronized with anyone else? TOP was notorious for his lack of commitment to choreography. Does this suggest that we hold BTS and Bigbang to different standards? Absolutely! We expect BTS to be flawless, and they consistently exceeded our expectations. That’s why BTS is so incredible! However, their success serves as a testament to the foundation laid by earlier generations, particularly Bigbang. I attribute BTS’s rise to two key factors. Firstly, while Bigbang was fulfilling their military obligations, BTS’s popularity was on the rise. Secondly, the world was recovering from the COVID-19 pandemic, and without the presence of their idols, people were experiencing a form of idol withdrawal. They yearned for the next big thing to happen immediately, and they couldn’t wait for Bigbang’s return, if it ever came. This coincided with the unfortunate Seungri and Burning Suns incident, which undoubtedly caused concern and worry if Bigbang would ever come back. This contributed to BTS’s sudden rise. Despite this setback and the fact that they haven’t heard any new Bigbang songs in half a decade, Bigbang continues to exert a significant influence on the K-pop world. Bigbang’s impact was most evident during the MAMA 2024 event. GD’s “Home Sweet Home” declared to the world that they were back as a trio and Bigbang was met with widespread acclaim. Some even referred to MAMA 2024 as a mini Bigbang concert! BTS is not without its merits. Thanks to BTS, Big Hit grew to such an extent that it managed to transform the Big 3 into the Big 4 and rename itself as Hybe, which now owns several other prominent new generation idols. This alone demonstrates the profound influence that BTS has had on the K-pop industry. Future generations of idols can truly appreciate the impact that BTS has made. BTS has proven that success doesn’t necessarily require a major media company’s backing. If you’re dedicated, passionate, and able to connect with your fans, you can achieve significant success on your own merits! So, while future generations can express gratitude to BTS for providing them with options, hope, and inspiration, it’s essential for BTS and, more importantly, BTS Army to recognize, respect, and appreciate the foundation laid by Bigbang and all the other earlier generations of idols. If BTS Army genuinely considers themselves fans of BTS, then they should know that the entire BTS group are fans of Bigbang, including Suga, who once acknowledged Bigbang’s significant influence on BTS’s success. There’s a reason why Bigbang is called the idol of idols-because they truly are.

[@genesisdeguzman9074]

Bigbang is the blue print tho they share platforms so BTS can copy and enhanced

[@RendyFudoh]

Great explaination

[@RavageX2]

@@genesisdeguzman9074 BTS acknowledged their success thanks to Bigbang’s inspiration and copied and improved upon their success. However, BTS Army fails to comprehend this.

[@guiledazen44]

Only the new ARMY's are always in denial of this fact. But the real ones are quite mature. BTS literally used Bigbang to market themselves for like two straight years just to get noticed. So much that the public got annoyed that it was the VIPs themselves that had to defend them from the toxic knetz. They would perform street shows for free singing Bigbang songs all the time. RM even went as far as stating that their aim is to be the "Second Bigbang" on live TV.

[@RavageX2]

@ ​​⁠I totally agree. The issues are rarely with the Idols themselves, but with the fan base. The fans can easily remove an idol from their group and the entire industry if do something as innocent as dating someone. Like what happened to Seunghan with RIIZE. I wonder how the new BTS army will react to the Suga DUI incident. BTS is not Bigbang, which has enough reputation to recover from three controversies (Seunri, TOP, and GD).

[@MumtazBegumRetina]

Taeyang replied in very humble language. Bts fans bullies other artists for no reason. Bts members are fans of BIGBANG they wanted to become idols because of BIGBANG. I'm sure bts members will be mad on their fans if they sees this.

[@mzlil]

Some Army fans shucks as they are not knowledgeable in K-pop history. SMH

[@Tereg..]

Lmao we are far from being bullies UNLKE you and your has been favorites

[@MumtazBegumRetina]

@Tereg.. stop being toxic. Female idols got bullied by your fandom just because their emojis matched with your idols. Stop being delusional.

[@Tereg..]

@ Lmao you nothing about being an army and as being toxic that WOULD BE YOU ALL

[@Tereg..]

@ Lmao I find it hysterical how you’re here making yourself so big behind your damn phone siting on your a$$ ??! Hating on female idols hmm that’s truly hysterical as well

[@gladysfiestan885]

If they are truly army they already known that bts is a huge fan of big bang .before where bts are bts right now

[@aishwaryagwyneth5075]

That's what I was thinking, I remember many time I saw BTS mentioning big-bang in their interviews

[@Sonia-vv5pe]

Yes!!!😃

[@emacarvalho7889]

Even I love Big bang

[@zazzue5131]

And so I can't like BTS? That's absurd.

[@aishwaryagwyneth5075]

@@zazzue5131 u can but you should not get into fight with other fandoms coz armys spread love , standing up for BTS is different from hating, n those who spread hate shouldn't be considered as Armys

[@iagreewithyou3478]

I don't understand how BTS can stomach their fans. They must hate these toxic people secretly for sure.

[@katerichock3371]

I'm an international army and I even know how BIGBANG paved the way... Even listen to their music after BTS. It's such a shame that some Fandom don't listen to other kpop groups or even do a research on kpop history to know how it all started. At the end embarrassing their kpop idols with such hateful comments. I'm just glad to enjoy... Although a bit late... Some great kpop music. Greetings all the way from Panamá 🇵🇦🫰😘

[@lilaroxary2686]

A mi me gustaba mucho bts antes de que fueran tan famosos una vez se hicieron famoso los fans se volvieron tóxicos sus canciones se escuchaban como one direction y los dejé de seguir. A excepción de suga

[@eternalgoldenJK]

BTS PAVED THE WAY TO THE GLOBAL. stop lying you vip losers

[@moshimic5628]

Ikr. BIGBANG is essentially the reason why BTS got members who came from an underground scene. If T.O.P wasn't included in BIGBANG, and becoming the first underground rapper to be part of a K-Pop group, then I can't imagine BTS without Suga, RM, and J-Hope.

[@GabrielaRomo-f7p]

I started listening to K-Pop because of BIGBANG, and that was back in 2012! I also started buying all of BIGBANG’s CDs (I have them all). I am from Mexico, so yes, us Mexicans have loved BIGBANG from the start! They gave a concert here in Mexico City some years ago, and the concert hall was completely overcrowded. Everybody enjoyed the concert very much. There were also other groups that were very famous (and some are still very famous), like 2NE1, EXO, SUPERJUNIOR, GIRLS' GENERATION, and many more that paved the way for K-Pop around the world. But for sure, BIGBANG is one of the greatest!

[@markcruz359]

Sorry to Armies but the first kpop groups that became popular in Australia was Wonder Girls "Nobody", SNSD, 2ne1 and Big Bang. BTS and Blackpink came over a decade later

[@yadiaag7771]

Imagine the embarrassment of having to apologize to you idol because of what fans say to your Senior. I would be horrified as a junior. I’d be so embarrassed I wouldn’t be able to put my head up in front of them. Especially because Big Bangs has been one of those groups who have always been humble about never saying that they are better than other groups even if their legacy is has been phenomenal. They have always said that they are in no position to give out advice to others even if they’re literally the most famous and recognized group in their country. I totally remember that Bobby had to apologize to contestants in SMTM3 and he felt so ashamed.

[@pangkouxiong1244]

Let's just give credit where it's due. Big bang definitely paved the way for BTS and other groups and now BTS is planning the way for the next generation(s). Why right over it. Smh

[@nikaywright]

Exactly eventually every generation is going to have a group that contributed to this genre.

[@eternalgoldenJK]

the difference is : bts paved the way for everyone globally. that's a fact

[@unknownfancy]

He didnt even say they were the first or took anyone’s thunder. He just said he was proud of theirnpart in it. And they did have a great big part.

[@kreyaSun]

We all understand and know for a fact that BTS has achieved unprecedented success, and that they're now "more than just a kpop band" (which armys never forget to point out). However, if there was no kpop there wouldn't be bts to begin with. Previous generations might have not been as successful and globally known as bts are, but it is still wrong to diminish their hard work and success altogether. Boa was the first kpop idol to debut in Japan, and she also was the first non Japanese singer to top the Japanese Oricon chart, and stayed there even after other artists started branching out into Japanese market. Although YG was already known for some of their artists, Big Bang were the once that turned YG into the almighty company they are known today. Though yg wasn't on the verge of bankruptcy back then (like BigHit once was), Big Bang still had their own share of struggles. They were also the first idol group to write their own songs and music. Also BTS weren't the first group from a small company to achieve success in kpop. Shinhwa, Brown Eyed Girls, Epik High, Infinite, Kara, Girls' Day, B1A4, EXID, just to name a few, all had huge domestic success as well as success throughout Asia and to some extent in Europe and US as well. All coming from small companies. Yes, Shinhwa debuted in SM, but back then they weren't as huge as today. Nobody says BTS isn't successful or that the boys' achievements are not valuable. Other fandoms and especially long-term fans (such as myself) are just asking for some due respect for the artists that came before, for the artists who made it possible for their younger peers to get all these opportunities they have today, for the artists who were the once that inspired your biases to fight for their own dreams, for the artists who were the once who started those dreams.

[@shernicew7052]

At least found some rational comment here 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Coredance1]

More than a KPop group? I know they're famous these days but can you explain that? I only know one of them from a period drama years back. What else are they into movies?

[@kreyaSun]

@Coredance1 what armys mean is that bts are expanding their music genres beyond kpop, and that they don't just do usual kpop stuff like other groups from other companies do.

[@craziijowie88]

To all ARMY out there, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT 2ND GEN IDOLS PAVE THE WAY. WHEN KZbin AND OTHER ONLINE FLATFORM WASN'T A MUST BUT THE QUALITY OF MUSIC THEY WILL RELEASED. Accept it. BIGBANG, 2ne1 and PSY are some of the IDOLS who made the KPOP well known. THEY MADE WORLD TOURS BEFORE YOUR Idol made.

[@Unique_hyung]

Psy himself says that BTS pave the way

[@miyuryuu7260]

When we still in 2018, i already can see at that time, with toxic Army get increased each year, someday, they will the one who will destroys BTS name. And i was right.

[@archanamishra8326]

Army's are only reason bts get hates

[@kresspqressie7722]

The amount of jealousy or envy really big to our bigbang member lol. Top, taeyang, even GD also in sensation that recently people bullied them on media. Top on YT and twitter, Taeyang on Instagram, and GD on Tiktok. Do they feel intimidated with dragons of kpop appear on media and being active together again lmao.

[@AdhvikG-lm5og]

Ngl wht r u on? Its called as fact correction bigbang didn't paved the way globally

[@kresspqressie7722]

@AdhvikG-lm5og not only bigbang, but indeed they also paved way. It's make 2nd gens disgrace if u say only bigbang or none from that generation did. Bigbang the first KPop group did concert outside Asian countries. If im not wrong too.

[@eternalgoldenJK]

what jealousy? they are simply lying and taking what achived. an unknwon group like bigband and their toxic fans VIPs need sto read history first. lol

[@eternalgoldenJK]

@@kresspqressie7722 BTS PAVED THE WAY TO THE GLOBAL, not accepting this known facts makes you jelaous! not armys who are correcting a fact , as always kpopies are child and stup'd

[@eternalgoldenJK]

@AdhvikG-lm5og bignag paved the way for next gen just like other 2nd gen groups, but they never paved the way to global, something bts (worldwide legends of all time) did

[@shizuzsu]

no hate to armies but like some of these immature, stubborn ones are honestly so infuriating not specifically in this situation but in other cases when they cant stand when other groups get better achievements or when bts isnt even mentioned they like to drag the topic in there and compare them to others.. like yeah theyre on another level but respectfully stop🙏 also starting hate trains on other idols isnt really a good move for them judging by the way their perceived in the kpop fandom just digging their own grave atp 😮‍💨sorry for the yap sesh😧😞

[@theresamultistan4549]

There are disrespectful fans in every fandom. Many ARMY, including myself, respect BIG BANG and appreciate their music. Don't be so quick to lump all ARMY together. Showing BTS giving love to Big Bang helps spread the word to misinformed ARMY. TY.

[@Brilovesroses]

This is about a majority of armys that were toxic, if that’s isn’t you then ok

[@raeinroserainbows8115]

Bit it's common consensus that armies and blink are toxic and you stay away from them cause they are mad, rabid and crazy 🤪

[@QueensGambit9876]

Thanks for showing Bigbang love. I'm a BIP, but I also listened to bts songs as well. I know thag bts r good guys. But please tell those toxic army who are bullying Taeyang to stop disrespecting him in his ig page. Thanks. ❤

[@kristinelson5894]

I was a huge fan of BTS when they started but in the last few years I've lost a lot of interest in following them simply due to how toxic the fandom has become. So sad, they're great guys but I just can't handle the constant hate put out by the Army.😢

[@chariza13]

i hope one day Armys will be mature enough. Doesnt matter whos more popular or whos first. RESPECT is the KEY.

[@emacarvalho7889]

A true Army doesn’t bully others

[@shannonslutzky4754]

Unfortunately the most toxic of the fandom are the loudest. Not all of ARMY is like this, I hate that they make it look like we are all awful

[@nikaywright]

Yes, you're right! Alot of them are these baby Army and fake profiles perpetuating as ARMY.

[@savokisan]

Actually they aren't the army that we are talking about. They are this term I always says which is a "come and go fans" So what is come and go fans ? Basically they did not really tap into the background, daily updates or even interested in all the content of the group. They are just audiences that will listen to their new comebacks, look at their news if it happen to pop up on their feed/nortification. Or they are only reminded of the group if it appears on social media trend like tiktok, youtube shorts etc. Of course these type of fans will never understand the full background of kpop since they are so limited by their knowledge therefore because they believe in what they saw, they assume the case and argue if someone contradicts their view.

[@nezaeya]

As a Stay, and still quite new to kpop, This is so true & this goes for EVERY fandom. There's always going to be a much higher percentage of GOOD ones in each fandom, but it's the toxic ones that are the loudest & most obnoxious that they give the actual fandom a bad name, & that's not fair. This is why I despise when anyone generalizes an entire group/fandom/etc.

[@nikaywright]

@nezaeya well said 👏 I totally agree there's toxicity in all fandoms, but they can't see that.

[@eternalgoldenJK]

what? by saying a fact that written in history? of course bts paved the way to the global

[@wjhlver]

these armies are pandamic armies and new to bts and also new to kpop , so they dont know about kpop , i dont see them as army either a kpop fan . Bigbang is every male idol idols . They inspire lot of our legends idol nowadays. And had their own path (bts) .

[@Dzion5050]

Excuses and excuses . Teach your brats how to behave

[@deadmanThorTempest]

Only legends knows Bigbang before pandemic & squid game 2

[@PratibhaBinni]

I really like way you said Army's are pandemic of kpop

[@bangtan_style_uknow]

no offence, but not all armys right? Even tho we may b "pandemic Armies" some of us have done a great research so pls, don't. Even we take efforts being fans, ok?

[@Tereg..]

Lmao NO WE ARENT 😂😂😂😂😂

[@chihayaayase1299]

Sometimes I wonder if BTS members actually feels embarrassed of their own fans behaviors, or at least, people who call themselves ARMY. BTS members themselves seem humble but but why are their fans always act like entitled karens?

[@topokonkd1629]

😏.. well.. hopefully CEO BighhHit Hybe, not behind all those filthy words towards BigBangs... coz..Its happened to EXO before.😌

[@kresspqressie7722]

Woaa thats wild the CEO to artists from other company? Dirty

[@mmmqua]

Stop trying to shift the blame. You know darn well it was toxic army "fans" behind all of this!!!

[@mmmqua]

Stop trying to shift the blame. You know darn well it was toxic army "fans" behind all of this!!!

[@eternalgoldenJK]

BTS PAVED THE WAY TO THE GLOBAL.

[@jeanerasmus7]

Honestly this "paved the way" BS should be voted out of kpop lexicon if immature fandoms are just gonna misuse it all the time. However, if there's one are artist that TRULY paved the way for a whole ass generation, it's none other than BoA.

[@Abril-ve5xz]

Bigbang paved the way to timeless music..meanwhile BTS paved the way to most hated toxic fandom

[@thisisme4006]

Something I've noticed and this probably the newer army's, is that they have a need to interject bts everywhere. Bts is on hiatus so they not active thus the won't be mentioned but those army bring bts in it. They don't realize it does more harm than good. Not only is the fandom seen as toxic, immature and embarrassing. The good name of bts is brought down. The hash tag bts paved the way, is so over used that it lost its value. Now for the toxic haters thats going to take this as a personal attack. Note this is not an argument, is something that I've noticed, you are welcome to your own opinion but im not interestedin it (I've seen enough hate/toxic people). Other fandoms seem to mind their own business, they don't care or they mature enough. So people when commenting be positive, if you can't then rather not say anything.

[@mmmqua]

YES!!! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@lilaroxary2686]

I feel sad that K-pop fans nowadays like to figth out for the groups before we listen to every K-pop group with the same energy. I hope skz fans don't become like that

[@takecareyoself5379]

BTS didn't pave the way, ARMY paved the way FOR BTS

[@Bhatt_Sabahat]

It's so simple if our idols are huge fans of Bigbang who are we to judge or look down on them (Bigbang)🤷🏻‍♀️ i think Army love what BTS loves but here they failed... Not all army_ point to be noted👐🏻

[@NinaJayy]

Of course they deserve credit. If it werent for BigBangs music style, no one would've dared. Everyone had cutesy boy group music. Everyone started to follow BigBang's style. Otherwise international fans would not have taken notice. And i mean that in the nicest way possible, other groups 'copied' BigBang but because they looked up to them so much. Kinda like they set the standards that boy group music can be aggressive and fun(?) it doesn't all have to be cutesy. Thats just how I view it.

[@nakkuzee]

Some fans are even flexing BTS' Spotify numbers against Bigbang's. Saying that the debate is "settled". Going by that logic, that's like saying Fifty Fifty's career had a bigger impact in Kpop than the combined influences of pioneers like TVXQ, 2NE1, SNSD, SUJU,Boa 😂.

[@GUILLANBALONGA]

I hate this fandom very toxic,, ignorance

[@savokisan]

This is why I am always proud of starting my kpop fandom journey from the 2nd generation. At least I witness the progression of the industry compared to fans that started in the 2015 era onwards. I started out as VIP then proceed to being a hardcore army. Reason being that bigbang releases and content starts to get lesser in the late 2014. However Bigbang is definitely the one that build up the foundation and pave the way. I think these fans who get agitated must have started from the 3rd gen which is the generation where groups like BTS, TWICE, BP, mamamoo, gfriend, svt, nct, redvelvet were in. Which is why they were so ignorant and did not know the contribution that bigbang made in the early era. Honestly, to these fans, I guess everyone knows the term nugu ? Nowadays we always says nugu groups but little did we know that during the start of the 2nd gen era like bigbang, 2ne1, snsd, suju, Not just individual group but the whole entire industry is nugu. Maybe it wasn't really unknown to that extend but to be recognised internationally it wasn't the case. And it was these legendary 2nd gen groups that bring kpop from nothing to something. Maybe because during the mid to late 3rd gen era, kpop starts to get more popularly that is why fans are ignorant and assume that it was because of the groups in that era that contributes to it. For 3rd gen group like BTS, TWICE, BP etc. Yes definitely what we see is the hype of kpop during their era but actually what they did was to flourish the foundation that has already been established by their seniors by making this industry even more attractive and bring about more audiences. But no matter what they aren't the foundation builder. Foundation builder do not need to be as big as the one that work on it however they are still the pioneer of what becomes the system that they initiate during their times

[@Alwaysstanofthebests]

I am an international kpop fan and I can honestly say "BIGBANG PAVED THE WAY". Come on guys we cant give the full credit on a group just became popular at 2018 exactly when Bigbang and Exo started to go to military

[@sadiqazia5100]

This is the only reason I left this fandom long ago However I respect artist and listen their songs but can't be part of this toxicity

[@MarkeriaHerrod]

I'm sorry for what the other army did. I'm also an army and I respect bigbang because of them they made the best group ever bts so thank you bigbang. now I'm a bigbang fan and 2ne1 fan thank you bigbang and I'm sorry for what the other army did please forgive them on our behalf us good armies who ain't like this

[@Sonia-vv5pe]

Hasta Suga sabe quien ayudo hacer lo que es Bts el mismo lo dijo, que humilde al igual que mi Taeyang. Big Bang forever👑😍

[@Dain-zz8bb]

ARMY crossed all the limit Didn't know why but because of fandom toxicity I stopped to supporting the artist

[@lilaroxary2686]

Me too, but like 6-7 years ago (2018).

[@crystalsnow1138]

I get not not wanting to deal with toxicity in the fandom, but why stop supporting the artist? You can be a fan without calling yourself ARMY.

[@lusilarobu9527]

I stopped supporting bts because the fans are very toxic and embarrassing

[@eternalgoldenJK]

so you were NOT a fan at first place,, as always excuse of loser kpopies ,, say something new and stop crying jealousy hurts?

[@eternalgoldenJK]

@@lusilarobu9527 lol you are also very embrassing, stop pretending, you were not a fan at first place kpop stans

[@ridita5221]

They are the idols of BTS, we should respect that.

[@gls1864]

Fandom can be so toxic. Once their idol have bigger stage, more awards and more fame they just think they are the most something fandom. Crazy that the idol are nicer than their fandom. 😆

[@mshumai]

Younger generation fans are ignorant or have no respect for those that came before their favs. Everyone just needs to sit down; be humble. If you know, you know

[@xibi011]

These fans don't see what their idols would feel. BTS love Bigbang, how can they be rude to their idol's idol especially when Taeyang said it the most humble way. I agree to Taeyang coz many Kpop groups of 2nd gen contributed to it, so basically I really don't get the hate

[@Bhatt_Sabahat]

Army is known to love n follow what BTS does but here they failed, aren't they aware about how BTS follows Bigbang.... They totally are huge fans! Don't disappoint BTS👍🏻

[@mmmqua]

Yet time and time and time again, toxic army ALWAYS feels the need to attack BTS's own friends, peers, seniors, and juniors.... 🤔🤔🤔

[@Dain-zz8bb]

"ARMY is known to love "😮

[@mmmqua]

@Dain-zz8bb Yes, you are right! They LOVE to bully, harass, and insult others!!! 😂

[@mmmqua]

@Dain-zz8bb Right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Bhatt_Sabahat]

@@mmmqua Love what their idols do but they failed when it comes to Bigbang🥲 so indirectly army are disappointing BTS👐🏻

[@lusilarobu9527]

I stopped supporting bts because the fans are very toxic and embarrassing

[@Tangerine-yc2uy]

Same

[@mellyrillaz9269]

Same

[@DapperDubuOT9]

EVERY SENIOR GROUP HAS HELPED PAVE THE WAY FOR EVERY JUNIOR GROUP BUT DON’T FORGET THAT IF IT WASN’T FOR THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF K-POP NONE OF THIS WOULD EXIST. LEE SOO MAN (SM), YANG HYUN SUK (YG), HIT MAN BANG (BIG HIT MUSIC), JYP (JYP ENTERTAINMENT) and PSY (P NATION) DESERVE ALL THE PRAISE AND CREDIT!! WITHOUT THEM OUR BELOVED KPOP GROUPS / IDOLS WOULD NOT EXIST.

[@anjalik275]

Dude I've never seen such toxic and insecure fandom🤦‍♀️

[@ShanDaR778]

Yes I'm a BTS fan aka Army.....and I'm also a VIP love me some Big Bang. Although I was a BTS fan before Big Bang, I respect the hell out of Big Bang [G Dragon, Daesung, TaeYang and my Bias T.O.P.] 👈🏽 he's still a member in my heart. 😊 When you're a true KPop fan no matter what Fandom you are in, know the history. Respect the artist's that came before, after and now.....etc.... Just know that who ever Fandom you're rocking with, they would be disappointed in the ones who are blatantly disrespecting their seniors and juniors. There is no need for all the hate. Remember, Idols represent positivity not hate/disrespect.😮

[@patriciamurashige6879]

I didn’t know who BIG BANG was til BTS kept mentioning them… so I had to check them out could totally could see why BTS and other groups loved them!!

[@morningglory8720]

I've been army for 7 years and didn't really know much about bigbang .. but after listening to vibe ( taeyang and jimin ) and sugas interview with taeyang . I listened to bigbang and I've been listening to the since . Maybe immature armies need to do the same and have some respect for them and their achievements !!

[@shernicew7052]

Ironically some toxic armies claimed the credit goes to bts for bigbang to be seen globally by mentioning them frequently…😂😂😂

[@kmajor2490]

I still remembered how young bts tryin to put bigbang name in every of their interviews... They want to be next bigbang.. even GD not nterested in them cause GD hated people using their names... Even all the media thise days portrayed bts as a copycat of bigbang... Even until now i don't really knew even one bts songs cause it didn't suit my taste as bigbang.. even all 2nd gen music better than bts .. bts no individuality...

[@WhatReally980]

I’m a Bts fan TAEYANG PLEASE DON’T APOLOGIZE TO THOSE IDIOTS YOU DID OR SAID NOTHING WRONG

[@AkikoMeh-EE-v7g]

I hope each and every bad comments of ratmy's towards other artists will reach BTS( them reading it)

[@KendraM87]

I'm not an army but I like BTS music. I also like BIGBANG music. I think EVERY group out there is paving the way, especially the ones that are known internationally. It's a process and it's working. It's making the way into the hearts of people all over the world and that's what matters. Every single one of these groups are so freaking talented and they're amazing. They ALL work so hard and practically give up their lives to do these things for their career. It's okay to show love and support to specific groups but it's not okay to tear down other groups in the process. If you don't like them, just shut up and don't say anything at all. Mind your own business. "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all." Kindness is free.

[@Psukhe_katharos]

It's always the fandoms fighting each other while theirs idols are vibing together.....

[@damlos103]

fans are wild 😡they are not true fans because they spread hate....

[@zehra20t]

He said the truth why armys always barking

[@humanely]

He said that himself no one forced him to said or acknowledge Big Bang influence on kpop industry...

[@sandielo156]

Big bang the best of the best. Basically, did open the doors for other Korean k-pop.

[@BlinkonceBlinkonce]

How can they hate the great artist like this i know bts is very famous but respect others

[@JBeechem]

Like most are new fans of BTS and probably don’t know the history of K-pop and where it came from It all started with 1st-2nd gen groups Which paved the way for 3rd gen groups and 3rd gen groups paved the way for 4-5th gen groups 1-2 gen groups paved the way for 3rd gen groups 3rd gen groups paved the way for 4-5th gen groups There’s a history of who really paved the way for Groups like BTS and many others

[@nathongvang1003]

The army is young and they have no clue about the history of kpop. Give credit where it’s due. The main groups that paved the way were big bang and 2NE1. BTS wouldn’t be popular internationally if big bang or 2NE1 became didn’t go international. PSY is a big one too. His song actually made it to the radio.

[@krystalbernier234]

It's obvious how the guys (BTS) look up to the one that came before. Big Bang was and still are big role models for them on how to aim for longevity in their careers. Suga said that Jimin molded his performance after Taeyang. I'm an ARMY, but I can still appreciate Big Bang as artists and VIPs as a fellow fandom. 💜

[@Coredance1]

Well I'm over the debate which must be from the youngest people.. I consistently appreiciate the artistry of BB since hearing Haru Haru. Before that I only knew of Pansori and Trot. So Bigbang kicked open the door to KPop for me.

[@DD-yi2dw]

We dont care about who followed who.bts so respectful to their seniors so they mentioning them .iam sure michle jackson also have one inspired idol from his own country .that doesnt mean his idol will ever achieve anything like michell did.like wise bts maybe inspired by their homecountry artist that doesnt mean the success bts have or the way the made their country this famous only becuase some works of their seniors

[@just_exo02]

Some army's didn't watch any of this

[@daughterofkakuing6884]

First generation inspired and paved the way to bigbang and other next generation group, next generation group pave the way to 3rd generation group and 3rd generation group esp BTS pave the way to 4th group locally and globally..

[@sunshine_275]

Me who stan every single kpop group that exists in this universe, just chilling in my room watching some immature babies arguing who's better, I just laugh it off and proceed to dance to fantastic baby after vibing to fake love 🤷🏻‍♀️ y'all don't know how to enjoy this life

[@jeanerasmus7]

Same. Music is just music. Fandom culture is so dumb lol

[@mira.9162]

BTS fandom gotta chill, some of you are crazies

[@lilliewong9708]

I am ARMY and believe that if I am critical of someone that BTS looks up to, I am also being critical and disrespectful of BTS. Doesn’t make sense to me. I love and respect BTS because of their talent and positivity.

[@zexken]

ARMYs dont know their fav that much that they dont know Bigbang is BTS's idol. EMBARASSING kids

[@Bangtan_queen16]

These are just toxic Armies trying to ruin the reputation of all Armies 😢

[@asepban1002]

Army? Oh yeah the idiots that know nothin bout kpop and only know BTS? Yeah im not surprised Also their behavior isn't their fault alone it's also BTS member fault too for being silent after these whole time when army being the pain in the ass lol Instead of scolding the army they just silent and said will protect army even tho army are known for being trouble maker in kpop scene lol

[@tantryhelius7908]

True Army never speaks ill of BIGBANG

[@WilliamsAK07]

There’s different generations, BTS has acknowledged all. Who has made the biggest impact? Big Bang, Exo, Psy are good artists, but not all have true global impact and that’s not a bad thing.

[@KatjaSchmelzer-x9e]

Wo lest ihr diese Kommentare? Ich sehe und lese das erst garnicht und hoffe, dass beide BTS und Bigbang das auch nicht tun. Und wer Suwitchita gesehen hat, weiß wie sie sich gegenseitig verehren. Mehr Respekt für diese großartigen Künstler 💜

[@Nightsky-star07]

Bts indeed paved the way but bigbang, psy's gangnam style, snd were the one who began it they were also part of paving the way since they took the steps first and bts followed those steps and succeeded in global level we should not look down neither to bts nor to them Foreign army do go overboard but that might be because they are newbie and doesn't even know the ogs

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Took step's but they didn't help other's gain attention, most thought Psy was Chinese and BigBang disappeared as quickly as they appeared

[@shizuzsu]

@@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine idk what ur on but im pretty sure bigbang's fantastic baby was super huge in most countries and was apart of most peoples childhood🤷‍♂

[@Nightsky-star07]

@@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine they were still known because of their hits they started it that's the point people get to know kpop more after bts but let's not forget that they also contributed first

[@teodora2979]

Tbh it was more then one group that “paved the way” for kpop. I think bts was the most successful with it but other groups definitely have contributed not just bts.

[@Nightsky-star07]

@@teodora2979 I completely agree

[@PunkRockEomma1]

Anyone who is truly ARMY knows that BTS are and always have been huge fans of Big Bang and recognize the truth in Taeyang’s statement. We wouldn’t have BTS without the earlier groups paving their way. BTS returned the favor by expanding the road for newer generations.

[@natashaaliven1548]

BTS army need to humble themselves, sorry but Big Bang are known as Kpop Kings.

[@Abrams109]

Bunch of 🐖 nobodies hating on Bigbang is crazy hahaha

[@bebottrinidad9133]

Did BBC went to SK to interview BigBang before BTS. Did the American tv shows invited Bigbang as their guest before BTS. Just curious because i once saw Wonder Girls and Girls Generation as guest but i think that was only once. Never seen any kpop idol in the American tv talk show and tv news before BTS.

[@WOOOOWWOWO]

It not an overstatement when it is mention that ARMY is full of mostly teenages girls in their 13-17 years of age. Cyberbullying is simply a thing for teenager in their youth so it is kinda expected this would be the outcome coming from ARMY fanbase. I believe 70% of the fanbase is thise typical teens meanwhile the 30% js the mature ones that really dedicated to being a respectful fan. I know i put a huge percentage because with all due respect, BTS does have a big fanbase compared to bigbang since the era of normalized internet and social media is what brought up BTS popularity and fame of the boyband pretty boy outlook which is what many young teenagers loves. Bigbang success is different from BTS success. Bigbang was in a era where internet and social media wasnt the norm and they became a big kpop group from that, BTS utilizes the modernity to become successful after kpop breakthrough with PSY and more.

[@genesisdeguzman9074]

Without bigbang opening the doors BTS cannot enter now who paves the way?

[@Lizille97]

I will never understand ARMY.

[@beamDiego-y7w]

Dati d ko kilala ang kpop pero dahil sa nababasa ko sa fb tongkol sa bts na nakakatuwa ang content nila at dahil dn sa maganda sabi nang army tongkol sa bts na pa research ako sa history nila at masasabi na nag work harder ang bts para makilala sila at doon ko dn nakilala ang kpop na iba.magagaling pariho ang group nila

[@joanncollins2477]

Stop saying ARMY! Not 1 true ARMY would ever bash another group. That is not Our boys! We know how in awe of BB they are….and we’ve seen them together. Please stop blaming ARMY. ARMY maybe be BTS bias but we also 💜 other groups because our 7 do!!! Place the blame on the haters pretending to be ARMY 🤬🤬🤬

[@mmmqua]

Then you must live in a vacuum.

[@GUILLANBALONGA]

I've encountered a lot of armies who bullied Bigbang even GD will about to release a new single last yr they bullied GD on Facebook,if and especially and twitter,,

[@GUILLANBALONGA]

I must see how they bullied Taeyang in twitter,,in his CNN interview

[@sp26890]

I miss those times when Army's weren't toxic and ovey obsessive- i guess the more fame the more pain 💜

[@rubencayabyab8307]

Before bts became famous or popular, kpop vibes viral famous or already popular around the world.. Psy fully paved the way.. Pls check the gangnam style music chart records.. I checked the records of bigbang in terms of album and songs sales, views, stream and most of music chart around the world - no much or far far behind or not even close to Psy records.... Pls check the data.... 😂😂😂

[@AestheticGirl_roblox]

Bro Army's is not seeing the back ground of it they gotta shut up!

[@jassbep3934]

To attack the most kindest and humble BigBang member army is just garbage 🗑️

[@asiarules85]

Armys don't love Bts, they are just obsessed, there is not real love.

[@phylisbrown1181]

I love this so much

[@leoblueyes]

I’m not sure what the fuss is all about. BTS themselves credit Big Bang with making them work harder to accomplish what they have so far. Give them their credit for gods sake, there is enough to go around. BTS will be heartbroken to know their fans have become so petty to others. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@hixelmorgans5024]

when toxic Army still hate Bigbang, BTS still love Bigbang... 🔥😎👑

[@NAMMedia2014]

The fandom so called Armies make BTS in a situation they're not comfortable with. They complicated things for BTS

[@SashaPark-u8o]

I'm ARMY but actually taeyang is right. And army is being evil here.

[@cpncq3509]

BIGBANG 2ND GEN KING AND BTS FOLLOWED IT IN 3RD GEN .. SIGHS* ALWAYS HYBE STANS (ARMIES)

[@rejdavid]

The Army fandom has the most toxic fans today... don't get me wrong I'm an Army too but some Armys are just too much and needs a big reality check.

[@marionwilliams2436]

I'm I new to Kpop music So I don't know it's completely history,But BTS is more known in America then BigBang guess Korea music is not played here as much if it is not in English.They might have given BTS a push towards their success,but BTS was able to go further and achieve more in a mass market that would not have been achieved if they did not speak English.This is good for all acts because of BTS more Korea acts can cross over to larger markets that otherwise would be Closed to them Older act need to respect the fact that the members of BTS themselves are now trailblazer .

[@Abril-ve5xz]

luh? america is not only the place around the globe..does not matter if BB songs doesn't play in your area.. america is not the standard luh

[@Abril-ve5xz]

and literary you were just born yesterday

[@marionwilliams2436]

​@@Abril-ve5xz that right they are probably and popular in other countries,But even BTS knows to conquer the American market is crucial.Thst why they learn English and record on English. Not as Big in America.which is a market that most Artist still try to conquer. Facts.

[@marionwilliams2436]

​​@@Abril-ve5xzNo,just an American market is major.Thry are popular Just in select markets. Like I say most people are now interested in South Korea because of BTS. Facts.

[@Tangerine-yc2uy]

Do you know the light stick the fashion trend the hair color hair style. Breaking the norms . Style, trend of mini album to typical kpop sound music was brought by big bang. G dragon literally made kpop. And just because they are famous in America doesn't make them superior to big bang and give credit like BTS paved the way. No way. It was big bang and it always be big bang and this is coming from ex army

[@tkirk2799]

I’m an American BTS fan but I’m also an adult and not ignorant. Everyone with common sense knows BigBang actually paved the way for KPop! If army, or whoever thats being so nasty towards Taeyang paid attention, they would see the respect and acknowledgement BTS members gave BigBang then and now. Jimin forever has looked up to Taeyang and Suga was star struck when meeting Taeyang. I wish these folks would stop being so opinionated on BTS’s behalf. They don’t need it!