ARNOLD CLASSIC 2004 I Pudzianowski vs Savickas

[@Brandon-qd2lb]

Thought mariusz didn't go over to IFSA?

[@yan3066]

It was before IFSA and world strongest man separated I think.

[@GiantsLiveSTRONGMAN]

That is Correct. The split that IFSA did on WSM was actually in early 2005. Which means WSM 2004 was under IFSA - but 2005 was not. This Arnolds in 2004 was IFSA (so too was the Super Series in 04, but not in 05). In mid 2004 IFSA had signed almost all of the top 50 athletes exclusively to them. IFSA's hope was that WSM would then collapse after they pulled away from WSM in 05 - the goal was to create a massive void of and athletes) would collapse. IFSA wanted WSM to end as they wanted their own World Champs, and they didn't want to share it with the Super Series either. So, in the end, WSM turned to a man they knew well - Colin Bryce, his partner Odd Haugen brought over the Super Series to help WSM. They helped build WSM back up from a near death blow. Therefore, despite 2004's Super Series being the IFSA World Championship Series. In fact, this was probably the last IFSA event for the Super Series. And thanks to Mariusz, who was the one man who rejected IFSA and went to WSM, there was, and is now, a strong strongman sport. IF WSM had ended at that point I reckon it may have stunted the strongman growth fairly heabvily. The modern sport would be drastically different and worse off for it I think.

[@yan3066]

@@GiantsLiveSTRONGMAN wow thank you for the explanation, it's appreciated ! 👍

[@TL13579]

@@GiantsLiveSTRONGMAN Colin, is that you? :D And how come Mariusz continued with WSM? Was he under some sort of contractual obligation? In Big Z's book, he mentions that IFSA paid a pretty hefty retainer to the athletes. Doesn't make sense that Mariusz would reject this without good reason/obligation.

[@barath4545]

@@TL13579 > Doesn't make sense that Mariusz would reject this without good reason/obligation. Easier to get 5 titles, when BigZ isn't around for 3 of them during BigZ's prime years. Edit: Without the split, BigZ would have taken 2 or 3 of those WSM titles as well, leaving Mariuz with 2-3 titles total and BigZ with 6-7 WSM titles and the GOAT title in all major comps.

[@garrettjohnson907]

Savickas just finished the Arnold's uk. 18 years later. What a legend.

[@GiantsLiveSTRONGMAN]

its insane - he is a miracle man

[@cfields8507]

Z is such a legend of overhead press He hit the Apollon Axle for 5. and then hit the Austrian Oak for 4 reps years later. Him lifting the 205kg oak 4 times like it was a training day is like, top 5 most impressive moments in strongman.

[@roybatty-]

Pudzianowski was around 100lbs lighter then Zydrunas and he still got 4 overhead presses. That's absolutely ridiculous.

[@Tenenwasser]

Savickas was how you would imagine a strongman in the stripbooks

[@GiantsLiveSTRONGMAN]

BIG! 🤣👍

[@ianonthego1355]

Zydrunas always smiling, always happy. Love that guy.

[@cs-bi8wy]

I have to say Colin Bryce is a total pro commentator , love the sense of humour he adds to the show

[@fiddlebender88]

20:09 Jeez, is that Pudzianowski with the absolute barn door sized back?

[@bagaskarahadjarputra6070]

At this time around we knew that Big Z is known more for the static strength favor whereas Mariusz is known for his body conditioning, intense and fast movement strength. Any type of super heavy comp will always be on Big Z's favor whereas faster movement comp is Mariusz's favorite (just like many WSM events at the he was time competing from 2000 to 2009, even no max lift like Max Deadlift or Max Log Press back in the 2000s WSM)

[@roybatty-]

Mariusz didn't train for static lifts. He trained to win WSM titles. If he stopped his grueling cardio training and packed on another 80lbs, his static lifts would have been massive.

[@Vipinnnn17]

​@@roybatty-Those are just IFs from you, whereas Z improved and beat Mariusz at the events that favoured him, whereas Mariusz didn't improve to beat Z in the events that suited Z.

[@roybatty-]

@@Vipinnnn17 When you say "beat" we can only look at the times Mariusz and Zydrunas went head to head. It's like 16-8 lifetime in Mariusz's favor. All we have to go by, is the times they directly competed against each other Anything else that either you or I can bring up would be an "IF." My point is simply that IF Mariusz cut out all the cardio he did and packed on 80lbs, he would have improved his static lifts but it would probably have cost him WSM titles. The format of the Arnold vs WSM from 2003-2009 was WAY too different for any single athlete to win both in one year. As a matter of fact NO ONE won both an Arnold and a WSM in the same year between 2003-2009. Zydrunas did not compete in the Arnold in 2009 and instead focused to win the 2009 WSM. Around 2010 the formats of both contests became much more similar, however it would not be until 2014 till Zydrunas could win both despite competing in both. Likewise, Mariusz could not win both in the early 2000's despite competing in both. Brian Shaw and Hafthor got both but in 2011, 2015 and 2018, but during these years the contests were nearly identical in terms of lifts, allowing athletes to be prepared for both all year. I'd like to also bring up the point that Mariusz competed at the Arnold Strongman Classic in 2006 despite the split between the IFSA and WSM. So, cross competition WAS possible. So the excuse that Zydrunas could not come to WSM during the split does not hold water.

[@elvikingobarbaroja]

More Arnold Strongman Classics please!!

[@fitvaibhav]

Congratulations in advance for 1 million

[@darylkanofski9327]

I think the events suited Mariusz more in WSM but when it came to the Arnolds where it was real weight it was Big Z that came out to play

[@andrew98115wl]

Wow, the Space Cowboy is so young here!

[@jurekcc9162]

Big Z, the greatest of all times 💪💪💪

[@Ronald-rp8vo]

After Mariusz 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 💪☝

[@jurekcc9162]

@@Ronald-rp8vo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mariuz never won any Arnold Strong man Classic. Big Z won 8 of those titles 💪💪💪 So, next time switch your brain before commenting bs🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Ronald-rp8vo]

@@jurekcc9162 It was Impossible to win WSM and the Arnold same year!!! You have to be really in shape for WSM?!!! It's not only powerlifting!!! All around!!! Pig Z lost so many times to Mariusz!!!

[@jurekcc9162]

@@Ronald-rp8vo well, in your imagination Mariusz is first, but if you go to statistics Big Z is the one and only 💪💪💪

[@Ronald-rp8vo]

@@jurekcc9162 If Mariusz weighed the same as Z he would have won the Arnold hands down. Then he would lose at WSM because do would too heavy.

[@yan3066]

Spoiler Alert: Big Z won and he was very happy.

[@GiantsLiveSTRONGMAN]

😂

[@timbraun5258]

It's probably largely due to the language barrier... But Mark Philipi interviews fantastically.

[@TL13579]

The Hammer thingy was so cool! Would be awesome if Giants Live brought it back... *wink wink*

[@jetjames420]

5:02 I need to be taking chalk more seriously

[@oceanbanana4341]

It's odd seeing the clean and jerk method being used on the axel. Considering almost nobody uses it now

[@HashBrownDoyler]

I think most of the guys from the early days came from Olympic weight lifting so double overhand cleans were normal, now I think its about using as little energy to clean.

[@oceanbanana4341]

@@HashBrownDoyler yeah it makes sense

[@cimerio602]

GREAT 👏👏👏

[@barnetthejosh]

To be fair Mariuz really impressed me on the pressing there

[@magnitorfasson9238]

Do you have the 2003? Its the only one i didnt watch

[@lordmegatron6145]

yeah i didn't watch only 2003

[@samotargos5199]

Magni Torfasson sounds like a future WSM winner.

[@abhinavkumar547]

@@lordmegatron6145 Bro asc 2002 is also not available on internet.

[@adielstephenson2929]

Bill Kazmeir is so good in this role.

[@RCD295]

I feel like the frame carry event is a bit dangerous since the platform that they walk on is so narrow. Or is it just a camera perspective?

[@sotnasoigres315]

Savickas is the greatest!

[@everythingstrength1485]

I bet Big Z is very happy

[@gotzvonunentberlichingen1452]

Shame on the commentator for doubting Big Z😂

[@FeedThemCake]

How did Svend get 3/1/4 while Mariusz got 4/0/4 on the overhead event? What does that mean

[@josecg6990]

my god Colin couldn't just stay quiet after being wrong 10 times in a row could he...

[@nostradam4594]

WSM dead lift 2007 344kg. Ifsa 2007 340kg Pudzianowski 10reps-344kg savickas 340kg 10 reps.

[@Marcel16DM]

"You gotta clean it before you can jerk it" yes Colin, every man learned that in our puberty days 😂😂

[@nabilh.6357]

I liked Svend Carlison

[@HashBrownDoyler]

Gross commie.

[@adreskorespondencyjny1551]

those events do not check if you're stronger but if you're heavier

[@barnetthejosh]

Commentator was clueless

[@Saskatchetooner]

Baby Colin

[@mindaugasvaitiekus8057]

Pliak mouth looks like chicchek can he make kakarieku

[@ahmedgardezi5598]

I'll always be a fan of Pudz since he was so goddamn jacked and not a bloat lord like Big Z. Thats why he will always be more impressive overall.

[@mindaugasvaitiekus8057]

Poliak are profecion not nationality