ARRIVAL VIDEO: Whitehall firefighters respond to garage fire on Fuller Street

[@MrBullphoto]

Love how when they cut the garage door open there were already firefighters inside. Think they did more damage than the fire.

[@mtnride4930]

Geez guys that was just sad. 30 year career Firefighter now retired Captain. That was a cluster, SORRY. Time to get your crews out and do some serious training. Practice like you play.

[@dionevans95]

Ok I thought it was just me

[@ericharshbarger4397]

The cross lay, starting the saw, garage door construction, venting the roof?? What?

[@RabbahDocRona]

Wrestling the hose pack out of the rig means it wasn't stored right. Leaving charged on the ground unattended - ever seen a nozzle or coupling fly around? I have, it's not pretty. The saw should have started on first pull - no excuse - that means they ignored daily maintenance. Do I need to continue?

[@stephenlunt2251]

The firefighters did more damage than the fire.

[@mark32163]

Thank goodness those inside weren't hurt by the saw.

[@stephenlunt2251]

@@mark32163 crazy techniques.

[@williamgray6209]

@@mark32163 It appears from the steam and or light smoke, that there was a man-door entrance, Was the door open? Did the garage door have to destroyed?

[@daveolson6535]

@@williamgray6209 When they finally got the door apart, there was a firefighter inside already.

[@hihfty]

I’ve never seen a garage without a side door or window. Not sure why entry wasn’t tried through an alternate opening. All for gaining entry anyway possible but with lazy smoke and probably a small Nuisance fire they turned a chicken shit fire into a major headache for the homeowner.

[@RLTtizME]

You could determine all of that from your BarcaLounger with a bag of Cheetos on your lap? (BTW...stop eating the ones you find in the cushion. You could knock off a few pounds too.)

[@hihfty]

@@RLTtizME you could determine half of it by reading smoke color and velocity. Continue on brain dead through your career and let the others use these as training. Which I’m sure you’re severely lacking in what ever hobby house you come from.

[@hihfty]

@@RLTtizME I could determine all that by having more than 2 functioning brain cells. I know reading smoke is extremely hard for some people and you enjoy spamming “ same job” while holding the bare minimum credentials. And sick burn, must of taken you all day to think that one up.

[@RLTtizME]

@@hihfty When did you get that second brain cell into service? A miracle to be sure. Are you Hefty and should you knock off a few pounds? Do you have that fireman's gut and triple chin? A moustache formed entirely of nose hairs? You are quite a specimen Hefty.

[@HannTheftAudio]

I used to live in a house with a garage. Believe it or not there was no window at all, and the only 2 other entry points were either through the house or from the back yard. I'm not referring to the huge door because that's obvious. But there was no side door from the outside. You either went in through the kitchen or from the back yard.

[@bullwork22830]

That’s 4:40 seconds of my life I won’t get back. What did I just watch?

[@dnovids]

Im confused by why the door was already damaged? Warping from the heat? Did not seem like a hot fire. Also when they cut the door you can tell a FF was already inside with the hose line. There must have been a back door. I'm not sure why they were dealing the main door. They could have has a negative pressure fan/smoke ejector vent from the exterior entry door.

[@engineco.1494]

Its done as A second means of egress , ventilation is easier with 2 openings. Most trucks carry positive pressure vent fans. You can never underestimate a fire it can end badly , not likely here but complacency kills.

[@SaltyDawg614]

what did we just watch? someone hasnt done truck checks in quite some time, hoseline pulled like spaghetti, airpack wasnt in service and ready for the job. k12 cutjob was horrendous ..

[@anthonyfarnella1894]

Bro I was thinking the same thing. At first I was like who is that? Oh he’s the driver then he goes and pulls a cross-lay (terribly). Then they didn’t have their bottles hooked up. Literally should have been done that on the way there. Then the guy carrying the ladder? Bruh This was awful. Also why the fuck do you need to vent a tiny garage like that?

[@RLTtizME]

Your BarcaLounger is out of allignment....you have a a sagging gut.....there are stains on your sweatshirt....you are unshaven and you smell funky. You have a lot to do right there at home. No lectures please.

[@billdacitizan380]

@@RLTtizME What are you, 14 years old??

[@RLTtizME]

@@billdacitizan380 Is that your preference and should we report you?

[@JBart3112]

Par for the course for this organization. Unfortunately.

[@MihirK007]

Bruh the door literally rolled up a bit as he was cutting the door… Like they could’ve literally pushed it up or you know, maybe ask those 3-4 interior guys what’s the situation before ripping out the garage door. Insurance probably won’t even cover it if they deep it unnecessary to have the door removed. Also, who doesn’t tout their SCBA on before standing 6 feet from the smoke? Not a firefighter but i usually see all the crew minus driving having their SCBA on by the time they leave the truck or far away from the house.

[@enid0mom]

There is a reason they don’t just roll up the garage door. It can go back down on on its own. That has been shown to trap firefighters. Opening the door from the inside, if they can get to it, might not work because of fire damage. Also, most people today have garage door openers. You have to disconnect the opener from the door to open it manually.

[@MihirK007]

@@enid0mom but wouldn't it be at least easier to pop it off the tracks rather than cutting it? Or maybe use the guys inside to see what kind of ventilation is needed and if the door is able to open.

[@enid0mom]

@@MihirK007 they have to go INSIDE to pop it off the tracks as far as I can tell. If there was nothing in the way for doing that it would then also collapse if taken off the rails. I have replaced garage doors. They are not all that expensive, but they can be if you have luxury tastes. Believe me, there is a reason for everything a firefighter does and those who don’t follow training can hurt themselves and others. As far as cutting the garage door, I have seen hundreds of fire videos where the door was cut. There are different methods of cutting, diagonal vs horizontal for instance, but that is SOP, standard operating procedure for most if not all departments.

[@wesrobinson7366]

This was tough to watch. We need to get some 2 minute drills going on in this department. Seeing PPE not properly donned is not good,

[@patrickoverzet7151]

What happened to triangle cuts on roll doors? or just push it out. it was already off the track

[@riff2072]

The triangle method has been replaced with the square cut to make the biggest opening you can.

[@davidarnold2633]

First ff pulling the line was struggling. I want to see how the line charged. Scba troubles, ff looking at the saw how to start it. Horrible cut on the door triangle cut all day IF There was no other way in. Good training video what not to do

[@mikep3008]

Man I couldn’t agree more !

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

Man I wish you were there instead of these bozos! Then nothing bad ever would happen! I'm sure you've never made a mistake or misjudgment or followed the wrong order, man I wish I was more like you

[@barrymccaulkener8828]

Try before you pry! Cut the garage door apart to find your other guys already standing inside. (after trying to start the saw for 5 minutes) SMH Put the tv remote down and get out and train boys!

[@robp1316]

Do the US firefighters have to demolish every property that's on fire? They always appear to have more personal cutting holes into the building than actually putting water on the fire.

[@cluckhead1913]

In the US, we like to demolish everything in our own country just as much as we do in other people's countries.

[@nubbyg9096]

$1.1 million in apparatus equipment, 2 people. Sad

[@andyhamilton8940]

Do yall have water cans and haligans on your engines?

[@chrishaakman4076]

Why they cut the whole garage door? The firefighters who were inside they could make the garagedoor open from the otherside

[@nebraskaninkansas347]

Many reasons. First its a point of egress, ooening it could cause it to close blocking the point of egress. Two opening the door can transfer the weight load to the ceiling rafters. Which could be weakened by the fire and colapse on the crew. Opening the door also blocks access to the ceiling to extinguish fire that could still be in the trusses or rafters.

[@firefighterpk2440]

This was a " water can" fire when they got there. Why cut the door apart, it was already off the track and away from the bldg.........a set of irons or a pike pole and it's open. Getting off a custom chassis engine with an open coat, no air pack and not even close to ready to go to work. Show up the same way on a structure with entrapment? 🤦‍♂️ Can't believe they opened the roof too, now the homeowner has to get a door AND fix the roof.

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

God your head is full of air, you sound so knowledgeable knowing this was a "water can" fire (by the way it's called a Can Job not a "water can" fire) yet dont have enough experience to realize that this is actually an attic fire in the space above the garage. "Can't believe they opened the roof too" like really? The fire is in the attic so we should just pull ceiling, put water on fire, and them steam ourselves out? Lmao no, open ceiling, open roof, water on fire and wow! It's almost like vertical ventilation works! Crazy concept

[@samburke8595]

@@ChathamFireDeptfan It was a garbage response. Don't die on THIS cross.

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

@@samburke8595 Was there water on the fire? Yes. Were they perfect when putting it out? No, but no fire scene ever is. I implore you to find me a video of a fire scene that no mistakes were ever made. The fire service has never and I repeat has never been a profession of perfection, we're in the business of getting it done. We can improve in how we do it, but what does not lead to improving is by labelling an entire fire scene as a "Garbage" response

[@firefighterpk2440]

@@ChathamFireDeptfan it was a garbage fire scene. Yes, we all make mistakes and we learn from them ( hopefully), but we also are supposed to get the job done with minimal damage to the homeowners property. Unless you were on this " job" do you know if it had a finished ceiling ( any little storage sheds or garages I've been in are open attic) no ceiling to pull, therefore easy access to what little fire there was on this one ( my trash barrel smokes more than this thing), they could have just forced entry on the man door ( $100 fix) and determined at that point if the overhead door needed to come down. IF it was an open attic, no need to vent the roof...........roll up the overhead from inside and see how " horizontal " ventilation works. That's a cool ( cheaper) concept to. 🤷‍♂️

[@Herbybandit]

Had the firefighters jammed a crow bar in the side of the door off the track it would have popped its runners in under 30 seconds then could be repaired! But no, powers saw through the door first 😒

[@HannTheftAudio]

Was that before or after some idiot backed into it from the inside out??? I'm just saying that's exactly what the door looked like

[@Herbybandit]

@@HannTheftAudio if someone backed into it from inside or not it would still be faster to pop the door if the runner completely

[@HannTheftAudio]

@@Herbybandit I'm just saying that the garage door looks like someone had backed into it while trying to leave for work. And now these goofy bastards are cutting through it. I actually thought it was a cheap rescue mission at first

[@Herbybandit]

@Curtis Sylvester Jr. fair enough 👍

[@davidhelsem8794]

Everyone wants them to roll up the door. Do you know what happens when spring steel gets hot? The door closes. This fire probably wouldn't have reached this point, but if it had...

[@flairball]

That’s why you stand a 6’ rake in the runner.

[@davidhelsem8794]

@@flairball IF you have one. It's just better to be careful and safe.

[@flairball]

@@davidhelsem8794, why wouldn’t there be one on the fire ground? Even an engine company should carry at least one. To clarify, rake= hook=pike pole, etc.

[@janetclark3557]

Why didn't they pull into the driveway and use the trash line?

[@Nycmade_]

Literally on the roof of a garage 🤦‍♂️ wtf . Circus volunteer fire dept ready for duty

[@EightiesTV]

Watch out for the boy scout that just got his firefighting merit badge - he's out on a mission to use the word "BarcaLounger" on anyone who points out the numerous examples in this video that are true teachable moments in what should be improved to better accomplish the mission of saving lives *and property.*

[@andybidlingmaier4466]

LOL, they have those helmets heated up and bent the way they want them ...... Work on some basic firefighting techniques, pulling hose lines, go to work with some urgency, train on opening garage doors.

[@Kilrinstinct1]

But but but leather looks cool

[@ritirons2726]

Exactly! Imagine how much better some firefighters would be if they put as much time into training as they do bending their helmets.

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

@@ritirons2726 let's be fair those helmets should be in a museum.

[@fireman031]

They should be embarrassed and shouldn’t be called firefighters. Go back to the basics fellas.

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

I saw water on the fire, how much more basic do you want em? is the wet stuff on the red stuff too high tech for you?

[@fireman031]

@@ChathamFireDeptfan where should I start? Hose deployment was pretty bad. One firefighter had problems with his ba, the other couldn’t start the saw, the cutting technique was horrible, not trying before you pry and you had minimal smoke that you could have brought a water can in through the man door and put it out without destroying the garage door. Are these basic fundamentals too technical for you? “Master the basics brilliantly “

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

​@@fireman031 Once again, was there water on the fire? Yes. Were they perfect when putting it out? No, but no fire scene ever is. I implore you Stephen Hernandez to find me a video of a fire scene that no mistakes were ever made. The fire service has never and I repeat has never been a profession of perfection, we're in the business of getting it done. We can improve in how we do it, but as the old saying goes, the day you think you know everything about this job is the day you retire

[@jakegercak]

Wow 😳. brothers y’all need to get some training.

[@greggarrett785]

How do your vehicle numbers work? I work a rural volunteer dept and our county has a system with them. We use a three or four numbers for them. For example 891 would stand for 8 Barry county 9 Johnstown Township. The last number stands for what kind of vehicle it is 1 and 2 is an engine 3 is a brush 4 tender 7 rescue 0 station 31 second brush.

[@evanbaker8825]

Our number system goes by alphabetically. So 1 is Alpha TWP and 18 is Zulu twp. the next part is where is tricky. So the 20 series is an ALS Ambo and 30 Is BLS ambo. 40's is an Engine. 50's is a tanker, 60's are heavy rescue or squad, 70's are brush, 80's are special equipment I.e Boats and 90's are Ariels/ quint/ladder/truck. The second part is based on the Depts "Line Number. So If they have 3 engines it would be XX41,XX42,XX43. Or they do it by roster number So if they have 5 trucks. Engine, tower, ambo, rescue, tanker. It could read out. 121,142,153,165.... or it could go 121,141,151,161. Sorry im sure this was confusing the biggest take away is First 2 digits are the Dept, the 3rd is apparatus type, 4th is its station or .

[@greggarrett785]

@@evanbaker8825 Alpha is ALS and Bravo is BLS then unit number for us. Could see where that might be an issue if you had a township Alpha.

[@captain4508]

That was an interest training evolution…

[@erichhitchcock3368]

Engine 3711? That must be a large town. Where do you get a budget to have over 3000 engines in your arsenal? (eye, dee, ten, tee)

[@roberttaylor9611]

That’s not necessarily the engine number. It might be station 37 of the district engine 11. Depends on how they code their units.

[@erichhitchcock3368]

@@roberttaylor9611 Robert, I was hoping it was obvious that I was just having a little fun; but, then again, there are civilians that come up with the dumbest assumptions...while on Boston's list years back, I took a job as a tourguide; Boston has one of the oldest firehouses in the country still in service, and as I'm showing the passengers, one of them actually asks, "Is that the only firehouse in Boston...?" (there are 34). But hey, if they don't know than they don't know.

[@roberttaylor9611]

@@erichhitchcock3368 apologies. Between calls for service from civilians, and the KZbin comments, you can never be too sure these days

[@michaelperkins739]

Am guessing that the ACTUAL time of all this without the edits is close to 10 minutes, , , not sure what is going on or what the plan is, but they need to get to it.

[@dug2fire]

This Township is shorting it’s residents by having a all volunteer department working out of 4 stations. They should be a combination dept at least

[@GuyjKite]

We as Americans must support our first responders. Our brave vets serve and protect our country. These brave men and women protect and our communities. God bless you all.

[@Warrior1_]

Amen god bless

[@paulp96275]

The door went so we could see his mate in side Just for the camera I’d like to have been on the debrief 🤔👍🇬🇧

[@dionevans95]

Ok guys, light smoke showing in quantity and color, and y’all fucked up the garage door. Classic cluster fuck

[@samburke8595]

WTF did I just watch!!! Embarrassing yet again for......

[@Michtario]

I hope they pay for that garage door!

[@benthomson9397]

If your home or a trusted neighbor with keys and a fire starts somewhere in the house open the front and back doors and garage door before the firefighters arrive because if they find find them locked they will open them up their way...if you get my meaning.

[@stevekenyon7541]

That is horrible advice. You will create a wind tunnel and the house will be gone by the time the fire department gets there, especially this one in the video

[@paulladuke2259]

If you already have men inside why would you cut up and remove the garage door? Just open it.

[@andrewcook334]

Little boys and their toys - firefighter makes a hash of cutting open garage door, didn't even try to lift it first. Eventually wrecks door to reveal a colleague who had the brains to use the side door is already inside with a ladder. Do these volunteers get any training at all ?

[@sirwhitecrayon2499]

What a mess.... the response, not the fire. These guys needs to train more. Especially that captain with the saw. It's a residential garage door with standard construction. This stuff is taught in the basic fire academy.

[@rico334]

Oh wonderful. They just destroyed some poor persons entire garage door and there was not even any fire in there. They could have just been patient and waited until the fire burned a hole through the roof and then shot water down into the hole and put the fire out......

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

I'm sure the homeowner with the illegal weed grow house as a garage is super worried about the damage the firefighters did lmao

[@dug2fire]

Hey we got this saw let’s use it!! Moronic

[@kennethlang5480]

I don't want to be mean - But why weren't those guys bottled when they at the Fire. They are on the Trucks .

[@joelmumie519]

Run Forest run!!!

[@jimmysafstrom7878]

The circus is in town. Please do your training......

[@phi11ip_mox77]

👋 Bill, got some videos this week.

[@JS-zb1vv]

Geez what a terrible engine company !!

[@nebraskaninkansas347]

I for one didn't see anything majorly wrong with this. Maybe a little work on crosslay stretching, maybe could have cut a smaller hole. Was the fire extinguished, yes. Was anyone hurt or killed, no. Every fire is a learning experience and a means to improve. No fire is the same, no structure is the same. We only get one perspective from the camera lens. We have no idea on the department policies or staff or equipment. We are not in scene only observing. For us to cast severe judgment is very pretentious of us.

[@ChathamFireDeptfan]

I feel many of the commentators think every fireman should be Superman, it is almost like these armchair quarter backs expect every fireman in the entire world to never make a mistake, god forbid your saw doesn't start on the first try! To them that is the end of the world

[@austintransportation4746]

We cann doo ittt!!!!

[@itstheoz1]

there is another way to open a locked garage door other then cutting it all up i would like to tell you but i would be teaching kids how to break in garages

[@riff2072]

This is one of the better posts. Gives the armchair, internet Fire Chiefs something to make themselves feel important. :)

[@adriansims1596]

All the stupid fools had to do was pull on the door. Facepalm.

[@michaelperkins739]

No need to be on the roof!!!~

[@austintransportation4746]

Let's goooo Whitehall!!!!!

[@mickhoddy]

Very very yiiiiiikes..

[@tedkulinna9093]

What a joke!!!!!!!!

[@Matt-mo8sl]

RAGING inferno !

[@小島敏子-y4i]

need more water!

[@JBart3112]

OR, get the FF inside to pull the release and roll the damn door up.

[@anthonyfarnella1894]

Guys this was bad

[@Flerg3]

meth lab?

[@JBart3112]

More like meth at the firehouse.

[@Hi.malone]

👀👍🍻

[@ParkerHarrington]

what an embarrassing effort by the poorly trained clowns

[@matthewwada1696]

Byc

[@MR1977.]

Lol guys on the roof?

[@ItsTheCostanza]

Lets go