Arrma Kraton 4S vs. Traxxas Maxx comparison review!

[@rickdavis524]

I love my Maxx. I got back into the hobby after 10 years and wasn’t very familiar with these new brands. I quickly learned that nitro is a thing of the past. have a T-Maxx 3.3 and a Revo 3.3 that are over 10+ years old and they still run and work. I completely ruined a 3.3 engine when I first got into the hobby and didn’t have my tuning down and Traxxas replaced it for free after a year of use. The customer support I received was great, I hope they are still the same, I see so many Traxxas haters on the internet these days. I think I will be picking up an arma granite or this arma 4s for my dad for his birthday, thanks for the videos and reviews!!

[@freddieparrydrums]

Arrma’s are great, reason why people get annoyed with Traxxas is they are generally very expensive and are seen as too beginner friendly. I like Traxxas but prefer Arrma’s range of RC’s

[@freddieparrydrums]

Also once Traxxas have a beginner customer they lock you in. Make you scared of purchasing non Traxxas LiPo’s and you forget you can get better value for money elsewhere

[@paramedic1988]

Traxxas hast often no fsb inside and old Controllers by their expensive cars. Thats not good. Otherwise I love traxxas.

[@Custnam]

Ive had both and have to agree with most of the video. I just sold my Outcast 4s to a neighbor that I just got into RC and I recently bought the Maxx. I have upgraded a lot on my Maxx and have it perfect at the moment. Wide kit, Traxxas CVDs, T-Bone wheelie bar with the Traxxas wheels, dBoot Backflip LPs, LED kit, and more. So much fun. I also just painted a new Proline Maxx body with white as the final color and it looks awesome.

[@backlashD]

I feel like people undervalue plastic.

[@Smaug1]

Sometimes, engineers use plastic because it is better for the application than metal. Metal tends not to bend back on its own.

[@skyshade9106]

@Zenz Vis like for arms metal arms are wayyy weak0er and cost way more

[@AvgDan]

@@Smaug1 maybe they'll use spring steel in future :)

[@apix88]

@@AvgDan spring steel is expensive

[@trentmarlowe7655]

You're going to piss off a few people with that conclusion. :) Still the best and most unbiased review of Rc out there. Cheers from Oz mate.

[@chantel0408]

They are completely different rc's, i love both. Two of my favourite brands. I would love to see a comparison between the maxx and outcast 4s

[@misterrobato8270]

Traxxas is very proud of their RC. Traxxas does their best to lock you in their brand. I like AARMA all day long. Felony, Infraction, Kraton, and Mojave are very good trucks.

[@freddieparrydrums]

Completely agree, Arrma all day 👌

[@caroltremblay3123]

I did read a lot of comments about arrma tough and arrma lower cost then the Traxxas but when you read carefully, people seemed to have put hundreds of dollars in upgrades for there arrma. So don’t tell me that the Maxx is the same price as the arrma 6s if you put 300-400$ and more in upgrades. From what I’ve seen, that Traxxas don’t need upgrades. And no! Plastic is not bad at all. And no! 6s power is not necessarily better. So all that been said and not really a fan of Traxxas outside the trx4, I think they did a really good job with the max. And remember it’s a monster truck, it’s not meant to perform at racing and cornering. Its built to be beaten. And I think it does perfectly. The kraton is at truggy, wich purpose is off-road performance and it does perfectly. Think about that, would you drift a f1? Don’t think so. So! And that is my tough, if you want to bash hard, get the max, if you want race performance, cornering and control, get the kraton. Cheers

[@skyshade9106]

I AGREEE MAN TRAXXAS TOUGH ARMA KEEPS PUTTING ALUMIN CHASSIS ON THERE HIGH PRICE MODELS LIKE USE PLASTICCCCCC plus the maxx 4s is the same speed as the kraton 6s so technically if you would upgrade a maxx to 6s you get like 80+ mph

[@muscleeatsricer44]

@@skyshade9106the maxx 4s is also technically the same speed as the arrma granite 3s too. Top speed is a terrible way to compare offroad trucks

[@ll.7927]

6s Kraton needs no mods besies a servo n that’s it. Had mine for over a year n beat the crap out of it. The 6s line needs no mores besides servo

[@robertwren2289]

Thanks for taking the time to give an honest review. I have the MAXX, and I hate buying parts. The MAXX has came out with a wider wheel base, that's another $45. They do have it priced a bit high. $450 to $475 for the added beefiness would be fine.

[@John-shreds]

Agreed. The $550 should include the light kit. It's some BS. I love my maxx, but god daym.

[@dcole302]

@@John-shreds Yeah... It's bs. The light kit is $100 by itself... That's dumb

[@gasolinediesel972]

@@John-shreds The light kits are trash and useless. Almost all of the lights on my udr are broken.

[@MrtipRC]

Honest review , mad respect !

[@kylem.4000]

Ive found some axle replacements for the Revo made by Hot Racing all i had to do was file out the inside with a dremel and swap out the wheel washers with smaller metal washer to make them work for the Maxx.

[@RallyandTrail]

Nice review 👍🏻 The maxx is £569 here £200 more the the Kraton 4s which makes it stupid money for a basic 1/10 MT ,on top of that I'd then have to find a low traction surface to run it on so it doesn't tip over every corner . Pros and cons for both trucks but the Arrma wins for me personally for value and the super fun handling.

[@ramtrucks721]

Arrma is weak. Have fun buying all the upgrade parts if you can find them at all

[@gasolinediesel972]

The maxx is a very unique truck... "Basic" is not the proper word.

[@spambunny123]

Bitter comment lol ​@@ramtrucks721

[@ecoriderLNT]

Great Review! I really appreciate how he weighs the difference between performance and durability. I'd probably go with the Kraton since I would be less likely to jump it so abusively.

[@scott112883]

Just picked up a Maxx. It’s awesome. Great review!

[@mezzyshredder]

Try the wide kit with the metal driveshafts. Awesome upgrade. Worth it!

[@shingod700]

Around here the maxx is 150$ more than the outcast 6s/ kraton 6s, so I’m comparing it to the arrma 6s. The choice is easy.

[@josh_rit8045]

It's the maxx then right? The arrma 6s vehicles have paper for a chassis!

[@sjakjoosten5499]

I went to my hobbyshop to see the maxx. I went home with a typhon 6s wit alu braces en servomount, savox1210 waterproof servo (32kg) a spektrum dsm 2 ch reciever. In total of €50 more then the maxx. Easy choice!

[@ParRagon-]

Easiest choice of my life if kraton 4s or trx maxx: CEN Reeper dead stock more fun than both and more capable used with lipos and pricewise less than the Maxx :DDDD

[@brianmahutga3350]

You must not be to bright you would rather buy an arrma for 150 less than have it brake just like he said in the video and spend 250 to 300 in upgrades just so you can bash it half as hard as the max not to mention all the time you will spend fixing the arrma o in then buy the arrma junk

[@shingod700]

Brian Mahutga I’m comparing the maxx to the kraton 6s, not the 4s. For me the 6s is much cheaper than the maxx

[@jameshoward9700]

Super thorough review, thanks! In the UK a new Maxx is £600+, while a Kraton 4 is £350, ie about £70 less than a Rustler..! Seems like a bargain. Also, with Arma HQ being in the UK, parts availability is good (though so is Traxxas). I was surprised by the breakages on the Arma - other people have found them one of the most durable. Can't doubt the Traxxas though - those things look way tough and the quality is so high. But I'd go Kraton - a zesty package and can get two batteries and a host of RPM for the same ££.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Ooo fanboy wars in the comments gunna be heated

[@RazorRC]

Lawrence Timme flame on! 🔥😎🧨

[@crazycamkalani]

It's like nobody can accept that both companies make FANTASTIC products and no one admits it lol

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@crazycamkalani or maybe they both suck? It's like when people fight over which console is best Xbox vs ps4 when pc master race is best 😉

[@brillywilly2998]

@@LawrenceTimme so true, unless it's the traxxas mini e revo which is shit

[@laflammechristophe4548]

BrillyWilly - William Ratcliffe my friends and one for now 7 years. It was brushed but he upgraded it to brushless and it was fine but after a while, it got the e revo decease ( loosening wheel, suspension that fall apart... now he have an x maxx so he’s fine

[@fishininjun]

I have both. So, i had the kraton first.... found out I hate it. everything about it. its so flimsy for the amount of power it has, 3s is almost too much. so i got the Xmaxx AND the maxx at the same time. Ive had a few days with both. I am certainly liking the maxx more. *gasp* right? well, the xmaxx is just big... and scary... and crazy. but the maxx is perfect size, crazy fast and totally bulletproof. everything you want in a basher. I think the xmaxx will ultimately be my fav overall soon enough, but for now, the wow factor and wicked upgrades availble make the maxx a real score.

[@RazorRC]

you're dead on. the maxx is really good, traxxas did an awesome job on this one.

[@Smaug1]

18:10 - One thing you forgot to consider in the value equation is the parts and after-sale support. The $130 extra is what makes that superior parts & after-sale support possible. To me, the bottom line here is that for the Arrma, it is less durable and you can't get parts. Yet it's still not light enough to race. That puts it in No-Man's Land. Why can't you get parts for months at a time? Because they're pumping out a production run in China every few months; can't just react to demand with that model. Traxxas probably pays more for parts production as a result. I'm gonna look and see if I can find a Maxx vs. E-Revo 2.0 video.

[@mutusdolus]

My thoughts exactly. Parts are hugely important

[@mr.rem2609]

I bought a Maxx. Gonna get the wide maxx kit. I know thats more money but I bought it to drive and play not to wait on parts. If I do need parts my local hobby shop will have my parts in stock.

[@richduperbash2966]

Nice breakdown and comparison 👊. It's weird how breakages can be such a personal experience thing 🤔. My Kraton 4s has had a rough life and has been very durable. The speed and handling is awesome too. 🍻😎💪👊👊

[@RazorRC]

thanks Rich, you probably just drive better than me. 😎

[@RallyandTrail]

Rich Duperbash yeah know denying that after watching your vids bro 👍🏻

[@mds1986ms]

Agreed. You can get an arrma that is a tank right from the get go or its just a son of a really NICE LADY! my outcast is a tank and my kraton trended to broken a lot more often. Still a beast tho.

[@gschaaf713]

Rich jumps his kraton 35 feet in the air.

[@scottthompson8274]

Just bought the v5 6s Notorious for the same money as the Maxx....No brainer !!! Like the Maxx, but too expensive and you have to upgrade it almost immediately. and the Notorious will run circles around it virtually anywhere and you really dont have to do anything to it as far as upgrading, bone stock it is a tank.....

[@westcoastrcsandjetskis4118]

The mini Maxx does take a beating, it's the basher of choice for sure out of these 2 trucks hands down. I bought the wide Maxx kit and have been planning on putting it on as soon as I broke an A-arm, been waiting a long ass time now lol

[@adamrichter4113]

Really great comparison! This will greatly help me in my search for a new monster truck.

[@deusexaethera]

10:19 - If you don't stop blipping the throttle over and over to drive at low speed, rather than operating the throttle smoothly, I am going to take away your toys until you learn how to use them properly. Also, it seems implausible to me that you owned an Arrma Granite and yet you're surprised that Arrma's brittle plastics break so easily. Say what you will about Traxxas using plastic parts where other manufacturers would use metal parts, but at least Traxxas specs high-quality plastics for their vehicles. (yes yes, except for the horrible front caster blocks on their old RWD trucks, we all know about that problem in 2019, but it doesn't apply to their new designs.)

[@RazorRC]

Shawn Elliott sensorless motors cog at about 1-2mph, so you can’t just sit there at 2% throttle, it will stutter. The reason the Kraton arms break more than the Granite is due to them being 1-inch longer and with wider wheels with the same amount of width material at the hinge pin. Leverage.

[@deusexaethera]

@@RazorRC - You were blipping the throttle to at least 25%, over and over, even after the truck was moving. Anyway, stuttering depends on the quality of the ESC. SkyRC's ESCs increase their PWM frequency at very low speed which almost completely eliminates stuttering, a very nice feature to have. I'm giving you a hard time about this, but from what I can tell most RCers (on youtube anyway) have the same problem and it's extremely aggravating to listen to -- especially if the vehicle is nitro-powered. It's like how a little kid drives a RC.

[@EXTREMERC416]

Tell me about the shitty 3s driveshafts of the traxxas lineup i dont call those gabarge sticks quality

[@EXTREMERC416]

And their junk escs specially the 6s and 8s

[@RazorRC]

Maybe you should watch some of my other driving videos to see if you still feel the same way about my driving. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3yViKuDmJV0Zqc

[@dtrim7450]

Just got the Maxx, it’s an awesome alternative to the super expensive Xmaxx for a super tough basher. Wheelies on demand even at pretty high speed. Also air control & rotation is really good while jumping. I gave up on ever owning a Kraton, can’t find any good sources of info, parts or support. Sent the Maxx across my yard first time out, suspension is awesome. It’s like landing on a fat pillow, no slapping like my other cars.

[@EXTREMERC416]

just bottoms out stock out of the box needs shock tunning you are in grass of course it will feel like it lands on a pillow

[@TheBigToe69]

Douglas Trimner How can you not find parts for the Kraton? You’re obviously using a computer to reply, use that same computer to find parts. It is not hard at all.

[@EXTREMERC416]

Lel

[@krisrakonza6136]

Appreciate the review. Very insightful. Thanks 🤘

[@johnalbrecht2756]

buy both

[@darrellfelts8895]

Looking forward to the version 2 comparison curious to see if anything changes

[@crazycamkalani]

Now watch those dummies that said you were an arrma fanboy go flip flop and say you're a traxxas fanboy after the conclusion lol, I love my maxx too but sheesh that's a steep price, the xmaxx is my favorite rc of all time so i was instantly sold on it but they really should drop the price $30-50, there's a boat load of value in there but with the competition being nowhere near that much it'll probably be a hard sell for those who don't know what it's capable of

[@radioflitercairplanes1715]

No matter what ..the ARMA kicks serious azzz, best bang for the buck..hands down. the beating these particular truck are subjected too is NOT typical..even if YOU plan on 25 foot high and 50ft long jumps the Arma runs smoother, handles way better , ends up on the lid 80%less than the Maxx does (even in slower turning).. Arma..you WILL NOT be disappointed!

[@thepilotxproject4035]

Value-wise the 3S Arrmas give both of these trucks a very good run for their money! The Traxxas costs almost twice as much as a Senton 3S, is it twice the truck? Not for me...

[@ScottzillaRC]

Great comparison and footage 😎👍

[@SuperGokuSon]

I did get the Maxx for 450 bux amazon brand new that seems to be the going price now and I immediately began upgrading and tweaking things here and there Like The wide max kit. Also, change the tire out with the RedCat Kaiju tires are incredible and super cheap 60 bux for set of 4, and they completely blow the stock Maxx tires out the water in every way imaginable. I went constant velocity steel CVs and Full positrack with Hot Racing MXX125 Front and Rear Differential Locker Spool and upgraded central diff with the full metal diff then plastic welded it to make full posi in addition with the metal pinion 50t gear. I even replaced the plastic bushings in the wheelie bar with bearings 10x15 bearings fit perfectly. Also, replace the fans with R1 Works 30mm Low Profile 8.4v Cooling Fans Huge cooling performance different also indestructible I did add white silicon thermal paste to the heat spreader on the motor and what a massive heat displacement difference / improvement. Replaced the shock fluid with Lucas 80w synthetic silicon oil and I got shock socks and I added the stainless steel under armor I think people forget that part of this hobby if upgrading at least it is for me I enjoy the heck out of it. I went Traxxas because I definitely wanted durability and support and they have that in spades hands down! I think I want to get an Arma to try them out but I do see they brake a lot and I am very clumsy with my rc's while driving / NOT skilled at all and I don’t like stopping once I get going but I am thinking of the 8S Arma not ready to throw out 1000 bucks to X-Maxx -_- All and all I’m heavily invested in this Maxx 4s and its perfect now and indestructible.

[@Rathbone_fan_account]

Hi there, that was a fair and in-depth review. Where I'm from Kraton 4S sits at approx. 400 Euro, while Maxx at 637 Euro. Would that change which one you'd get? Am I better off dealing with Kraton's wore durability and buying stronger replacement parts later on?

[@RazorRC]

At that price difference, I would get the Granite 4x4 3S BLX. I think it's a better truck overall than the Kraton 4S.

[@Rathbone_fan_account]

@@RazorRC I've heard lots of good things about the Granite, but that thing seems to wheelie even if you breathe on the throttle. Is Big Rock 3S with wider wheels also a good option if I want something longer?

[@Rathbone_fan_account]

@Chris D'oulmeth Yes, I'm pretty sure I'd go with Big Rock v3, whenever it reaches stores in my country (and if I have money for it).

[@RazorRC]

It occurred to me today the best analogy for this battle. The Maxx is a clumsy Heavyweight (X-Maxx) that lost a few pounds to compete as a Middleweight. The Kraton 4S is an agile Lightweight (Typhon 3S) that put on a bunch of pounds to try to compete as a Middleweight. The Kraton floats like a butterfly, the Maxx stings like a bee. Enough boxing analogies? 🤣

[@leuktl]

There are endless way to looks at them. These great produces reviews videos is very personal. Experienced youtubers like yourself really helps viewers knows the pros and cons of each trucks if they are in the market of buying. When I first see the release of Maxx, I look at the size and weight and compare them in my head with the other trucks alike in that size and price. Like a fully build Proline 4x4 and losi 3xle, 1/8 6s rigs etc is same price as Maxx, but the weight and handling of those trucks, knowing it by watching videos on youtube, will all be a world of difference from each others. The market is flooded with great trucks nowadays. "In the end of the day, I just wish I have endless money for them all, so I don't have to choose ever! " But I still prefer the "heavier" Maxx between the two, because I know what im buying into, pricing of them won't affect my decision. PS: I wish you could be making more videos like tuning tips on these trucks. Like the shocks pistons and camber links adjustment, with wrapped/ belted tires on these rigs, that can transform the handling etc.Thank you!

[@TheLDunn1]

.....with the cost differential between the two, could that $150 or so saving on the Kreaton be used to upgrade it to a point where the durability was similar to the Maxx? Just a thought.

[@Largetalons]

For the price of a maxx you could get a 6s kraton and not even worry about the wide kit.

[@TheLDunn1]

@@Largetalons ....that’s what I meant. The choice seems to be durable+poor handling (Maxx) or great handling+less durable (Kraton).....but the Maxx and you spend time and money fixing the handling, or buy the Kraton and spend money fixing the durability issues. I went with the Kraton v5 route, as I felt that the v5 had addressed many of the durability issues that had been shown up on the earlier versions. I nearly went for the EXB, but it looks like they have introduced some other durability issues into that model with the diffs.

[@TheLDunn1]

@@dirtrider88 ...the above posts were from over a year ago. I ended up with the Kraton (for my son). Got to say it was much bigger & heavier than I thought it was going to be. Sadly, my son has not ended up playing with it that much which is a disappointment, but the product itself is impressive & nothing has broken yet, but that is a reflection of lack of use as much as anything.

[@davidreed3724]

Razor RC, what would you upgrade on the Arrma? Can you make $130 worth of upgrades to fix what breaks making them cost the same and improve the durability? What can be done to the Maxx to make it driveable on all surfaces and make it land better and stop rollover? How much are these upgrades?. You definitely have the best unbiased reviews! Thank you for your honesty!

[@RazorRC]

RPM arms are more durable, but are bendy and will sag. Billet adjustable motor mount mostly fixes the weak cast one. But there are still other weaknesses, no metal centershaft (if you get a rock jammed in there it will shred), shocks are not double shear design, so you can't fix everything.

[@EXTREMERC416]

I think its going to be the same with a metal one my rustler was cheved everywhere while the one on my kraton almost doesnt have any wear a few scratshed next to where the heat sink sits

[@3630FS]

Thanks very informative! I wanted to move up to a 4s but really not sure which to go with ? I know the price difference and some of the weak points, can you tell me as you said ! The parts that had to be replaced on the arma do they come close to the price of the traxx out of the box with nothing replaced ??

[@baddazzgarage2953]

That's the correct question! Upgrade the arrma for same price as max! Then you have a car that is durable and handles orsum! Look at the max as soon as you turn hard it flips! Nothing worse! How can you have fun just driving in a straight line of a jump then go slowly all the way back to start another jump! You want to do turns at speed and actually drive it! I have alot of arrmas and when you upgrade them they are absolutely magnificent rc's and end up costing the same as traxxas! I have only owned arrma 6s not 3and4 s but 120 dollars spare will upgrade this 4s kraton with money left over! Dont forget you can only use traxxas lipo batteries and other stuff were arrmas are so customizable with motors,esc, servos and all plastics and any batteries! Traxxas are a ripp of always have been always will! Your welcome to look at some of my vids I no what I'm talking about!

[@3630FS]

@@baddazzgarage2953 Thanks for your response Since posting I have purchased the maxx . And did apply the wide for $50.00. Up the shock oil in rear and front ! And I have to say I'm very pleased with results!! The maxx now corners at amazing speed and no tipping just leans into turns:) what a difference from stock to the wide !! And bashing has been so far no breakage! Jumps very well and takes a beating! Happy with my decision.

[@baddazzgarage2953]

@@3630FS that's great what works for you but I'd try drive an arrma to see what quality handling is and durability with a few little upgrades! Happy bashing 👍

[@Terry12345]

I just picked up a Kraton 4s. eBay seller opened it, never ran it and sold it to me for $325 ($25 shipping but no sales tax.) So far I'm digging it. I hate the radio, but I already have another so it was only a $15 upgrade for a new receiver. The tires suck but will be replaced eventually. I'm not a fanboy of either but my wallet became a fanboy when I found this deal 🤣

[@Funcentric]

Fast forwarding with price increases on the Traxxas widening the gap even more, do you feel the same way? Also any changes you've experienced regarding part availability from Arrma since this video was made?

[@stevenpaulin448]

What are you thoughts on the Maxx V2, and the recently announced Kraton V2? they seem to be getting closer together...

[@earlmoorhead5555]

Have you had any steering issue with the 4s Kraton ?

[@RazorRC]

Earl Moorhead the servo saver is weak IMO and needs to be upgraded. I also put in a slightly better servo.

[@earlmoorhead5555]

Razor RC ok I got the 4s outcast and servo was bad out the box never ran and broken

[@mocheeze1982]

Yes my servo keeps going out but i have a traxxas rustler vlx and i still love arrma kraton at the end of the day

[@chrislrocks]

Absolutely accurate!

[@mannyfran8024]

In Canada, the Maxx is $800. The Kraton 4s is $539...huge price difference. I can buy slot of parts for almost 300 dollars. But I'm probably gonna get the Granite or BRCC Blx line of vehicles for $429. Already have 3s batteries for my Tenacity MT that died an early death.

[@louiemares1610]

THANK YOU Going with the MAXX I'm a newbie to RC

[@owen8538]

Do chassis break on x maxx or they lot better than 4s outcast

[@FullOnRC]

Great review. Touched on a lot of facts.

[@fetthunderdome]

With the price of the maxx you can easily compare with 6s version of the arrma

[@TheFatAssCat]

Except the 6S Arrmas also need work. Out of the box my Maxx has been far more reliable than my 6S Kraton. Don't get me wrong the Kraton 6S is more capable, but it also needed a new Radio, servo and aluminum chassis braces out of the box. The maxx arguably doesn't really need anything aside from some shock tuning.

[@EXTREMERC416]

Traxxas electronics are mostly junk there is some reports about the esc overheating hope its not true. They already had esc catching fire in the 3-6-8s of their lines

[@TheFatAssCat]

@@EXTREMERC416 Their 6S and 8S ESCs do have problems. I have not seen very many issues with the 2-3S escs and I have seen nobody reporting any issues with this 4S esc on any of the Maxx Facebook groups aside from fans breaking.

[@Megasty15]

@@TheFatAssCat I haven't put aftermarket aluminum braces on any 1/8 Arrma, or any car with that sort of chassis design. But of course, with the stuff I'm able to do those braces would just get in the way. I have literally burned 2 of those radios (in a 50gal drum 🔥🤣🔥) They're not even fit for being garbage . . . & my whole fleet is using DS3225s, cheap, fast enough, & perfect for bashing.

[@TheFatAssCat]

@@Megasty15 "But of course, with the stuff I'm able to do those braces would just get in the way." What. Also how? My chassis bent and broke the rear brace on my Kraton whenI was I was fairly new and shit at air control. Pounded it flat and added aluminum braces, no problems, even with far worse landings since then. Basically the entire Arrma RC Arrma facebook group agrees you should replace braces out of the box.

[@Capy-K]

In my opinion the maxx is better especially if you also get the widemaxx kit as it makes it wider reducing traction rolls and it lands better , but it is an additional 60$ ( 590$ ) ...

[@RCDRIVERSTUDIO]

Avesome video, liked and subscribed :)

[@CTS2469]

I dont own either rig so my comment probably wont pertain fully to this comparison. But I have owned 2 arrma and 2 traxxas. The traxxas I never had to replace 1 part on either rig and both the arrma I swear I would run them a couple times and something would break. And half the time I had to wait for parts to be back in stock so they sat more than they ran. Once again, different vehicles than in the video, but I've had great luck with traxxas. And dont get me wrong, the arrma were a blast when they werent broke and I'd say they prob they had better handling than the traxxas but I'd go durability over performance but that's mostly cuz I get annoyed having to wait for parts haha great video though! I've actually been debating between the maxx or an arrma so it gave me a little insight on them.

[@chantel0408]

Cool detailed video, but i think the Maxx should be compared to the Arrma granite. Kraton is more like a truggy type Erevo but i think the granite is still better then the Maxx if you upgrade it with a 4s system. The maxx is a mini monster truck.

[@SoleEpiphany]

Would a HW Program card or WiFi Express work with Arrma Electronics or is the firmware in house as well as the BLX branding?

[@RazorRC]

the older LED program card will work, none of the other ones do.

[@johnallenit]

I use a hw card from an Ace /1080 and with works great. Just need to find the code list (though it makes reasonable sense without it).

[@rcaddictgarage]

Great review!

[@redbeardrc1452]

Interesting. The Kraton 4s won most categories, but you still chose the Maxx in the end. Kraton gets the nod in electronics, performance, value. Maxx wins in durability. I wouldn't even consider the radio as a major buying decision for either. Many people will just put their preferred Spektrum, Futaba, Sanwa, Flysky, etc receiver in these trucks anyway. You're saying that the Maxx is SO MUCH more durable than the sum of all the advantages on the Kraton? I'm not sure I'm following the logic, but a preference is a preference. 🙄

[@DanHovarter]

RedBeard RC the MaXX will dump on any other truck. I own 3. They don’t break

[@rezzgoatrising1829]

Nice. But which 1 would you pick after all upgrades and mods?

[@seanmcpherson7962]

? Maxx with widening kit and LED kit ~$750. Or Arma 3s Typhon AND a 4s Kraton for $700? OR a 6S Kraton with an m3c chassis and whatever other small upgrade you want for$750 For me 1 choice is clear to not make. Not to mention..the 6S Redcat Kaiju for $400!!

[@troyflanagan173]

What BATTERYS And charger ARE good FOR THE Tyron 6s or 4s buggy?

[@JimmyB55]

I agree with your conclusion. I have the 4s outcast shocks leak stripped rear diff just had to replace all the axles because they kept popping out. If you add style to your list arrma would win with style and price. Still not spent 130 bucks extra on the outcast but I'm sure I'm not done.

[@EXTREMERC416]

2 words too tight slipper clutch and you did not understand the concept of it

[@JimmyB55]

@@EXTREMERC416 I did and do but it would back off every run. I ended up putting an extra lock nut on it and that's fixed my issue.

[@EXTREMERC416]

One turn and a half backed out. Same was backing out everytime but since i used red locktite its justs a souvenir now

[@smokefast90606]

Left the hobby a long time ago got tired of things breaking everytime I took it out. Got back into it i chose to go with arrma notorious beat the crap out of it and it comes back everytime in working order. Then got a talion by arrma and same thing I bash and bash and it just takes it fast great handling no more will I go with the old guard brands

[@leuktl]

maxx if im buying between the two. its just a quality 1/10 truck period. A out of the box 10lb basher design. This company got a lot of interesting engineering with their rigs.

[@RazorRC]

I feel like they had a PhD design the drivetrain, and an intern design the suspension.

[@EXTREMERC416]

You know heavier truck the worst it is. Not for nothing people try to make their rc lightwair as possible

[@leuktl]

@@EXTREMERC416 That's for sure bud, that is one of the reason why the Tekno mt410 is so durable, It's so light compare to similar size truck. Maybe because I don't jump sky high, so I don't really mind, and kinda like the feels of heavier truck myself. I often time drive it over tail grass and brushes, (like a field full of 1-2 feets tall grass and brushes)so the extra weight really help pushing through those trail/bash spots. Maybe that's why I like the 10lb+ Maxx more. Thx

[@gasolinediesel972]

@@EXTREMERC416 The sad part is that despite being heavier it's still more durable...

[@EXTREMERC416]

@@gasolinediesel972 costs also 150$ more.

[@jamiefox8670]

Would any armma shocks be close in size to the maxx shocks! The maxx likes to chassis slap to easy would like a better shock set up for mine..

[@iftibashir]

Great comparison!

[@philthyco1]

4s Kraton would be better if it came with the DX2E Active..IMO

[@EXTREMERC416]

True

[@nobodynoone3428]

That's a fact.

[@philthyco1]

The Hobbico Arrma builds were better..The plastic on the arms are not the same as before..They seem more hard and brittle..Holding the 4s arms next to my Hobbico built Sentons and you can see a difference in texture..I sent back my 4s Outcast..Horizon changed the plastic and transmitters ..LONG LIVE HOBBICO!!!!!

[@LawrenceTimme]

Would be even better wihh a ttx 300 which is probably the best rtr remote. The dx2e sucks in comparison and I paid £45 for mine. Sold it recently and got a flysky gt5 for £50 instead. The difference is amazing. Now the gt5 is an actual upgrade.

[@philthyco1]

@@LawrenceTimme The DX2E Active is a good transmitter ..It offers many features..Horizon does not own Tactic so there will never be that option anymore,sadly

[@AvgDan]

I just picked up a used Maxx with WideMaxx kit installed and 3s battery/charger for $500 in really good condition. Not sure if I want to get 4s battery or upgrade ESC/Motor to 6s since drive train can apparently handle 6s.

[@SOTOSKAWASAKI]

No one noticed the front shocks are mounted to different holes in front lower A arms?

[@yyckey5022]

Since day one I run the maxx 4s till now, I fine that I like to fly my rustler4x4 Vxl more, caz is fly nice, easy to control in the air and it's light weight. For arrma vehicles, I will still hold back until they fix all the bud. cheetah I will give it fill more try if my parts is here, that's what I don't like about the cheetah and arrma vehicles , is the waiting of parts.😫

[@reynorpadilla]

The real comparison is between the Kraton 6s and the Maxx because the have a closer price point.

[@colbywishneski5800]

He contradicts himself so much, here's an example: 10:54 "in the air the maxx is easier to control." "So in the air the kraton is better, it just is easier to control in the air" Besides a few moments like these, overall good review 👍

[@RazorRC]

That was a little contradictory, here’s the full explanation - the Maxx rotates slower and does not do anything weird, and is easier for a less experienced driver to “control”. The Kraton flies through the air better, like a buggy would, so would perform better say on a racetrack. It is capable of doing things that the Maxx cannot in the hands of a good driver.

[@owen8538]

What you mean ring pinion gears on kraton.Can you explain show us video all parts that you broke

[@andyb9994]

I.gotta be honest I'm a big fan of Traxxas, BUT I'm sure I would have a ton of fun with any other Quality R/C....they are all pretty awesome....

[@80texansfan]

Nice comparison and 2 of the best trucks to date

[@ragsixracing]

Does the maxx have a center diff?

[@EXTREMERC416]

The maxx feels like it doesnt even have shocks it just bottoms out like mad i can just ear the massive slaping when it jumps

[@TheFatAssCat]

It needs heavier shock oil out of the box. I've found the tire foam also compresses very easily which essentially means that from any sizable jump it compresses and just results in chassis slap. Even with 100wt shock fluid I had chassis slap. So I had to change tires. Drive's much better with the Maxx Chevron tires from the original Erevo/Emaxx

[@ashleecason8915]

Yeah I'm want to get the maxx

[@freddieparrydrums]

Kraton. Maxx Kraton (all round rc) > Maxx Bashing Kraton < Maxx Overall for me Kraton > Maxx

[@theirishaxe9405]

Arrma for the money for sure. If the maxx was exact same price would be different story but 150 bucks more uhg.

[@SebastianLong]

If the Traxxas Maxx wasn't so expensive, I would have purchased one for my brother. TBH, I think both are overpriced for only being 4s capable out of the box. I compare the price based on my Losi LST 3XLe. Mostly all 1/5 scale parts on a 1/8 scale truck for $499. I get it, something that big isn't for everyone. That being the case, I'd take the Stampede 4x4, Slash, Rustler 4x4 or 2wd. $530 is a lot of money for what you get. The E-REVO is barely much more and the only downfall of the Revo is the rear links and misaligned twin servos. I don't think either of these trucks should be more than $400. Yes, the Kraton is close to that price point, but that damn servo is (in my opinion) worse than Traxxas servos and that's saying something. Anyone who owns a Traxxas product (I own 4) knows what I'm talking about. Guess it's just a RTR thing. That being said, the Spektrum servos in my Super Rock Rey, as well as my 3XLe work great for me and they are RTR. I've still got the original servo in my UDR still and it's a yr and a few months old. We all get lucky at times I guess. None of my other Traxxas RCs still have the stock servos. At least steering servos. My TRX is still running all stock micro servos, the two locker ones are buzzing and grinding and the shifter one is fine at the moment. I haven't changed the servos out because I'm not sure if I just want to install spools front and rear, one spool in the rear, or keep the selectable lockers all around. I know of a few micro servos that reviews seem good on, but I've lost confidence on micro servos and am doing more research. Anyways, I don't personally think either of these RCs are the better buy as a few dollars more you can get a 6s capable machine, and a few bucks less a far more durable machine. Just my opinion.

[@EXTREMERC416]

Stock servos are pretty much useless most of the time there is cheap servos who does the job

[@SebastianLong]

@@EXTREMERC416 yes, there is, but more often than not, the more expensive ones last longer. Protek "Black label" is a strong and great quality for $159 while something like a Power HD 25kg is good. The BL will out last the HD in most cases by at least 3 times the amount of time. You get what you pay for in most cases. You are right though, there is a lot better quality servos for cheap than most ready to run servos. The S904 servo found in my Losi 3XLe is $47 and is 496 oz inch. That's not a bad RTR servo while a Traxxas 2075 servo is $46 and only 125 ounce inches. I can guarantee though that the quality Black Label will out last 3 of each unit and still cost less at the end of it's life than the RTR replacements would cost.

[@RazorRC]

I think they're losing sales with the high price tag. If they sold it for $450, I think they'd fly off the shelves like hotcakes.

[@TheBigToe69]

Razor RC Agreed. Way too much money for only a 4s mt. 30$ less gets you a 6s Losi 3xle, same price point gets you a Kraton/Outcast 6s, or you can spend substantially less and get a 1/10 Granite, Rustler, etc.. Even Hobao has great options like the Hyper SS truggy which is 6s and a blast to drive. It’s almost 100$ cheaper than the Maxx as well

[@JacesOwnWorld]

This is like European cars vs. Japanese cars. If you want performance and technology, go European. If you want reliability, go Japanese.

[@AudhaX]

Hi man, i would like to know your thoughts on HOBAO RTR products. Please review the 1/8 Hyper VSE buggy or Hyper SS truggy. They sit at the same price point but have better value than Arrma and Traxxas "toys". This might interests other viewers too

[@Doggy-B]

Agreed, Hobao are awesome and deserve more air time

[@RazorRC]

my first video was on the Hyper 10TT. Don't have any other Hobaos unfortunately.

[@jeffmaxwell8790]

The Maxx is a way better truck with out a doubt obviously. if money is a factor then go with the Arrma. I have the kraton 6s and xmaxx 8s . Which I love both but my next truck is the Maxx . And then maybe 8s kraton

[@jarrettmaltry6305]

Does Traxxas ever have Black Friday deals or anything? 😅 the Maxx with a wide kit and steel driveshafts is my wet dream but the price tag on that setup (new) is over 700$

[@RazorRC]

No, they have MAP pricing, the best you can do is hope a hobby store has some kind of deal.

[@tangarz5357]

why did you not compare the Kraton 6s and the Maxx they are the same price 550 USD. I feel that this is unfair because the 4s Kraton compares to the stampede 4x4.

[@RazorRC]

I do comparisons based on vehicle class, not price. The Maxx and Kraton 4S are both 4S, 12.8" wheelbase plastic monster trucks. They are the same size, have the same motor/power, and same Lipo capability. The Stampede is a totally different vehicle, it's a 10.7" wheelbase, 2-3S monster truck, much smaller and less capable. Similarly, the Kraton 6S is a much bigger, all aluminum, 14.8" wheelbase 6S capable truck.

[@tangarz5357]

@@RazorRC ah I guess that makes sense. I was going off of pice points and was so confused why you picked the 4s model

[@Largetalons]

It probably should go off of price when the difference is that big. A lot of people look at what they can get for their money vs. caring about a specific wheelbase. At the end of the day these all get bashed the same.

[@xmaxxfan1857]

I have the Erevo 2.0 the xmaxx and the maxx and traxxas is high on cost but the durability is worth the price

[@43rocket]

can you put the kraton 6s shocks on the 4s kraton or typhon shocks on it?

[@MelinsRCTech]

Yes you can. The 6s typhon shocks are a perfect fit. Have them on my outcast 4s. But after upgrading the shocks and that awful stock stx2 radio /receiver and the slipperclutch it has cost me more money then the Traxxas maxx. So in the end I would get more value for money if I went with the maxx instead for sure 😊👍

[@Crewchief227]

I love your videos, I'm a basher & racer, I listen to the race guys when it comes to setup. I have no comment on either truck as I've never owned either a 4S Arrma or TRX. I do own a Revo 2.0 & fully upgraded Arrma Notorious. The Revo I gave to my Step-son for his 14th birthday (it says on the box 14+😂). I gave it to him cause it's a good truck. Has diffs I wish I had, a good esc that I've never had problems with, has monster driveshafts, over twice the size outdrives (although they bend easier), and I upgraded it enough to be a solid truck. But it's not the beast my Arrma is. Now to be fair I spent a serious amount of money upgrading it, RPM A-Arms, skidplate, front bumper. m2c chassis, rear tower brace, ZRS shocks, motor mount. GKA chassis braces, Ackerman plate, Voltage Hobbies servo mount. JBI-6MM Towers. Hobbywing Max6 ESC, 4975 1650kv motor. Tekno shock perches/locking rod ends, pinion. Fast Eddy bearing kit. Anyways you get the point, basically the only thing left stock Arrma are the diffs, bulkheads, turnbuckles, driveshafts (although I converted the rear to CVDs), and plastics. I have so much left over I could build another truck😂. But I think that's what people love about the Arrma's, they use a pretty universally adopted layout. AE diff seals & shims work on them, Tekno parts work on them, not locked into a certain battery, doesn't have all the TRX exclusively. I can use many parts found on other vehicles that I can't on the Revo. That's why I don't have a 4S Arrma, they just aren't as "upgradable", and I think a lot of newcomers to the hobby see a KZbin video of an Arrma going full send (or TRX) and see us all happy like they never break. All RCs break, I spend countless hours keeping up the maintenance on my RCs. I found the Arrma easier to work on, and that was the huge deciding factor. I remember buying the Revo after being out of the hobby for over a decade, a Kraton 6S was sitting right next to it. I looked at the Kraton and it looked flimsy to me. I bought the Revo, and after re-educating myself, I bought an Arrma for $150 less on sale so I'd have the best of both worlds. The Revo ended up sitting half the summer, I kept going back to the Arrma, it doesn't roll over (seems to be a problem on a lot of TRX vehicles), like I said easier to maintain, and ultimately I baby it less, and therefore have more fun. And isn't having fun the point! 😁

[@RazorRC]

nice, thanks for sharing! I definitely need to get an Kraton 6S, that's high on my shopping list

[@MrtipRC]

I'm all about performance and a racer so I run LOSI but these are great for bashers !

[@rcplayer7581]

You mean horizon, u run horizon 😆

[@blazinextreme]

rc player same thing

[@Megasty15]

I'll take the JLB Cheetah or even the 6s Typhon over both of them. The Cheetah if I want to play around with 3-4s & the Typhon if I want to screw it all, having something to endlessly mod & run 6s all day. I just love overpowered stuff & I can't get any of that out of the Kraton which is at the max its drivetrain can handle already & paying even more to upgrade a Maxx is silly. The Cheetah can even handle a blx185 system too but that's in no way bashable power.

[@RazorRC]

thanks, the Cheetah actually looks pretty good, might have to look into that more

[@Megasty15]

@@RazorRC The roller is on Banggood for $159, I couldn't help myself & bought 2 of them. Any cheap 4s system will make the thing go crazy. It's slightly lighter than the Maxx & is nearly the same size. I might revisit that 6s project I tried last year. I might be able to make it bashable this time . . . or wreck it while trying 🤣🤣 🤣🤣

[@yyckey5022]

Jlb cheetah over the maxx 4s, just don't land the cheetah worry, or you will be like me, one jump and you're done. Watch me test video on my cheetah at the skate park, you will know what I mean?

[@Megasty15]

@@yyckey5022 I don't run cars at stake parks anymore. Too many kids plus I don't have off time when they're not there. My wallet is a lot fatter too. Even the preserves in my area have hidden spots for high flying action so I don't need the concrete deathtraps any more. Also, the JLB has a cheap aluminum diff case option since I also wrecked my rear spool once while jumping when the case bearing hole ovaled out. I never had a problem since using it.

[@yyckey5022]

Since day one I run the maxx 4s till now, I fine that I like to fly my rustler4x4 Vxl more, caz is fly nice, easy to control in the air and it's light weight. For arrma vehicles, I will still hold back until they fix all the bud. cheetah I will give it fill more try if my parts is here, that's what I don't like about the cheetah and arrma vehicles , is the waiting of parts.😫 traxxas I break it today, i can just go buy parts right away at my local hobby shop and go again.

[@imserious2187]

Will the traxxas transmitter and receiver work In the arrma.

[@RazorRC]

yes

[@wallyk9188]

You forgot to mention the cost of replacement parts, the kraton parts are extremely expensive and it breaks alot more so it's definitely a more costly rc

[@gschaaf713]

aside from the physical differences of the two trucks, you may want to consider the ethics of the company your purchasing from. Traxxas has several lawsuits against ARRMA and others for supposedly stealing "their" cantilever suspension design. This design has been used for over 100 years in many different applications and is certainly not traxxas intellectual property as they are claiming. They are a patent trolling corporation that stifles competition and development with their bullish patent enforcement. All things being equal, try to avoid traxxas. The RC hobby needs all the competition it can get right now. ARRMA is keeping Traxxas on their toes, which is a good thing for consumers. Prices are driven down and innovation is accelerated.

[@danheckman8265]

Well said.

[@philliplyn2692]

Loving this one thanks for sharing very important information giving thanks blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work I'll take the arma very tough truck can definitely take the abuse traxx maxx is a very good truck just go for what you really want 🙏🙏🙏🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲💪💪💪

[@timmaier9174]

what battery would you recommend for the Kraton?

[@d-nice2866]

Lipo

[@gasolinediesel972]

@@d-nice2866 He was asking for a specific battery...

[@gasolinediesel972]

Spektrum smart batteries are what is recommended.

[@brianchan5402]

That Durability on the Maxx is way better. I have both and managed to trash the Kraton twice, both times the lower wheel arm. The Maxx Ove taken time numerous skate parks and haven’t managed to damage more than the shell. For $130 more, you def are getting something that will last. If you value your time ordering parts, $130 is nothing. Also, getting the iLink turns the Maxx control into one of the best transmitters on the market. I literally dialed my 4 year old to 37% of max throttle.

[@Largetalons]

Glad you like it but I find it a bit underpowered and it handles like a slob compared to an equally priced 1/8 scale. Arrma 4s line has had issues but I think you standard 3s granite would outperform this in nearly every measurable way.

[@islandrc-duke1972]

Great comparison,nice video

[@RazorRC]

thanks!

[@anthonybarlow7658]

I like both companies a lot and have some from both but I will have to say better bang for your buck going with the arrma 6s over the maxx

[@anthonybarlow7658]

ESP when the 6s arrma is the same price as the maxx

[@baddazzgarage2953]

@@anthonybarlow7658 it is

[@gasolinediesel972]

@@anthonybarlow7658 I'd rather my chassis didn't bend on the first jump.

[@SPEED-7]

Hi nice compare this 2 car, can u do a kraton 4s and arrma vorteks .tq brother

[@GreatLakesRC]

That's actually a good endorsement for the Maxx. You started out at the other end of things, lol! I still can't justify either 🤣

[@RazorRC]

you got too many nicer cars to get one of these "cheap" cars. 👍

[@GreatLakesRC]

@@RazorRC lol! Yeah, race kits turned bashers are expensive. My Tekno ET has a ton of M2C parts to make it durable 😱 I was just meaning that on my 3s line I can't keep the slipper set so I don't want a 4s and I just got a used Xmaxx so no need for the baby one 👍

[@markc3571]

I’m still wondering which one to get

[@baddazzgarage2953]

Do you want a car that does not break alot but handles horrible or do you want to buy a car that needs a couple of upgrades and handles like a dream? No point having a car you don't enjoy driving but is a little stronger than a car that you love driving that will be perfect with a few upgrades!! Go the kraton and upgrade the weaker parts and it will end up same price as max!

[@BoyFindsTako]

Either way you can’t go wrong, both are bad ass trucks. I’m an Arrma guy, been doing RC for over 30 years. But Traxxas came a long way. I lean towards the Arrma because it’s easier to work on, and it has better electronics and handles better. But...the Traxxas is a bad ass truck, love that it doesn’t have body clips. Anyway, probably didn’t make your decision any easier. Good luck and go with your gut feeling on what you want. Then get out there and start bashing and represent your truck well by driving it hard!!

[@kinglothar4262]

mark c me too lol

[@markc3571]

King Lothar If I stick with Traxxas I could use the same battery charger and batteries that is one of the reasons why I would want to stick with Traxxas

[@smitheshn6637]

Good review... 👍🏾

[@joshdunbar9721]

Arrma has a 2 yr warranty!. Not a hard choice here!.

[@John-shreds]

That's Cool! I really want to get a arma mojavi exb. But parts are an issue. I have a Traxxas Maxx and a slash 4x4 and I can just waltz into any store and be fixed right then and there. I really don't want to break something and be waiting a week every time. 🤔 Trying to convince my hobby shop to buy more arma stuff. Or I might just have to guess and buy a bunch of random parts that might break.

[@Itz_littlebear]

@@John-shreds which one do u like more, I've always wanted a slash 4x4 and then the maxx came out and it looks just as fun?

[@John-shreds]

@@Itz_littlebear The maxx is very expensive. But you are paying for durability. And holy cow this thing is durable. It's also extremely easy to work on. The slash is more fun to drive around on gravel and dirt. But the maxx is a true basher. It doesn't handle the best though. If I had to give away one, I'd keep the maxx.

[@John-shreds]

@@Itz_littlebear I have a mojavi EXB and it's actually a pain to work on. The design looks nice compared to Traxxas. But I can tell why Traxxas looks like a toy and arma looks more like a race buggy. Traxxas cars are so dam easy to work on. And I think that goes a long way.

[@John-shreds]

@@Itz_littlebear I also would like to add, that my slash 4x4 vxl kept breaking stub axles. I needed to buy $60 front and rear steal driveshafts from tekno.