ARTIST vs BATTLE RAPPER..WHO WORKS HARDER??? ACCORDING TO GEECHI, TWORK & ACE....DROP A COMMENT

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[@Pop-fo7nc]

surf the only one who’s actually consistent and have the #s to be respected. He got featured with Jim jones, Benny the butcher, joint tapes with mozzy and more

[@Cudijay]

Young MA, Don Q, Dave East, Vory, fr fr

[@Pop-fo7nc]

@@Cudijay exactly jadakiss and joe budden too like he respected

[@ahmadmoore4737]

Ahh yess the debate we all knew was bound to occur on this platform!! I love it!😂😂🎉

[@Sko448s]

When he pulled out that pick I automatically said he got a bald head 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I know it’s for his beard

[@Nathan_F_Monroe]

I think the best answer I can think of it : In the building process, it’s harder to be a rapper. They have to make albums and consistent hits. Create a discography that keeps them relevant also. In long term it’s harder being a battle rapper: Because they can’t go in tour and repeat lyrics. They have to constantly create and always put their career at risk. A bad album compared to a DIRTY 30…. Isn’t even comparable in the consequence.

[@L-Dub23]

Artist definitely work harder. They’re more versatile. Battle rappers lose focus on being superstars. Meek is a perfect example. Another example, Math couldn’t make it being a artist so he made a pod.

[@Tuelz...]

big facts... theres way more work as a artist. BattleRap has a small community so iits harder to fall off there. In rap you can be gone after 1 hit song or a couple... to keep it up is wild work

[@yami-kay9099]

Love these back to lifting battlerap culture up again math. Good work.

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

It depends on the individual. But to be the very best in either side you have to put in the work. It goes without saying. Even Mecca would agree

[@acpjr]

Twork, it sounds like you reject the idea of compliment battles 🤣

[@dominicrowe8740]

Pringles😂😂😂😂

[@bluupill]

That song at the beginning 😂 naaaww "pringle" 😂

[@TheRealSTATIK0318]

“All eyes on ME”‼️

[@frankovance2163]

Great show my dude at 5:53 in that shyt got crazy lol still a great show tho 💯 more work to the battle artist tho it ain’t even close

[@omardavis1622]

Gotta listen to different types of music for inspiration. But know what's you listening to.

[@MarcoTooFly]

lol these interviews with Ace are even more hilarious after what Verb was talking about on his podcast lol 😂 😅😂

[@-Ryans]

AYYYY YOH ACE GOT A SEAT EVENTUALLY lol

[@MA-vc5ls]

3:41 we fuckd 🤦🏾‍♂️ he said i don’t want hear good positive thing 🥲

[@Skywalker721]

One thing I’ll say about Hanz is that his verses always sound like he puts a lot of time & effort into it. Some of his verses are legendary.

[@lexdadon]

As far as writing I would say battle rap. Every verse that they spit and write they can only use once. An artist has the luxury of reusing verses. Whether it be a freestyle and then throw into a song. Or an old song that never got release and they can reuse that verse etc etc. Plus battle rappers had to perform a whole verse for like 5-10 mins straight, memorize it and all of that. An artist can punch in whole recording or during a show have the ad-libs in the background.

[@SmokeOne89]

You're bugging. Art imitates life. You ever heard that saying before? Lol. An artist's lyrics are way more profound than battle rap lyrics. Battle rap is a gimmick, very one sided. An album can give so much more insight than a battle rap. Rapping to a beat and staying in rhythm with one is much more hard to do. That's why battle rappers never make great albums which is the goal of rapping.

[@baranda0]

Not alot of great albums these past years, it’s all playlists heavy and most folks have throwback rap songs which speaks more on the current state of rap as a whole when it comes to artistry. The rest of the world is probably taking a page out of the south’s hip hop book. Support your own, it’s why the battle rappers in other parts of the world are selling big in their respected countries

[@Harlem1mentality]

@@SmokeOne89right battle rappers make albums for other battle rappers and super fans of lyrics. It’s all about the bars not the song.

[@mour1s91]

Bro said "I dont wanna hear non of the fred hampton shyt". Smdh, Thats exactly why our youth are lost.

[@JOOSEMAN78]

ONE AT A TIME....THXS

[@geistwar9028]

Hanns should listen to math. He's one hundred percent right. All of hanns metaphors on the song that they got together were reaches that threw the song off.

[@NajePapers]

I remember Beanie Sigel back in Rockefeller these when he was the the hottest label Beanie Sigel spit a thousand bars on stage the music artist goes through more than a battle rap artist

[@nathaniellebuckley18]

Right. I didn't think it would be this big of a debate.

[@ericmclean4291]

There are ways were battle rapper have it more difficult. Firstly, you can't be carried by anyone else. It's just you by yourself. There is no Just Blaze beat to save you. There is no Drake feature to help your career. Secondly, battle rappers don't get to stand behind bullsh*t raps. They have to get on stage and perform whatever rounds they have. Rappers can release some trash and ignore it when it fails. Thirdly, they get once chance to perform their raps. If the venue decided to not rock with you, than that's it. You can't spit it at another venue and see how it goes. Once you rap it, you throw it away forever.

[@thedaily30]

Hard work is cool, but don’t forget the machine gotta pick you to be an artist first. A lot of people put in crazy work and never get tapped by the record company execs 🤷🏽‍♂️ Marketability matters

[@ALexander-ue3kj]

In order for the machine to pick you, you have to develop an "it factor" and be consistent.

[@eprimetimeshow322]

do y’all think any battle rapper have a potential it factor for a machine to be put behind them

[@ALexander-ue3kj]

@@eprimetimeshow322 Surf had until he got locked up.

[@Thesmellostation]

Battle rappers work harder Frfr and you gotta get bro with the Philly beard on again personally he got a lot of game and needs to be heard

[@parngreeb]

I would say battle rappers have it harder, because half the crowd if not more is there to watch them lose. mainstream artists are there to be praised on their own.

[@KingDavidTBE]

"Im talking about this ✊🏾positive " I aint trying to hear that shit 😂😂😂😂 That fred hampton shit 😂😂😂

[@trentontimes1668]

I usually skip Ace battles he seem like a real one I gotta start watching his shit

[@yangasidziya3245]

I noticed that too... He got the comb with the black power fist, he seems legit

[@YSC_Q]

Math identifies as a battle rapper but inside 😂

[@uknowwhothehelliare7821]

Damn Math done got rid of his girl too and made a song about it Math got new friends y’all don’t sleep

[@-Ryans]

*ONE BATTLE EQUALS ONE ALBUM* It’s not even up for debate IMO

[@ayetreybetrippn8064]

Most of my playlist songs aren’t hits they just fire songs this is why u don’t have to make a hit nowadays

[@_gold_3925]

damn i was gonna say to leave debo in the car initially but he actually asking some good questions these past few clips

[@MrTrigz]

4:42 sad...... they dont know this used to be the standard....

[@nark7mile]

I fw the content Math, but them songs.. I HATE em play a instrumental for the intro outro please

[@mikes3852]

Who doesn’t want to hear positive 💩, to think it’s people out there like that

[@EYEAMNEGUS]

Twork saying he doesn't wanna hear Positive/Political/SocialCommentary/Spiritual/Metaphysical/Holisitic raps IN BATTLE RAP is exactly what's wrong with the youth today. He's 30 though not some ignorant teenager whom doesn't know any better. I'm not saying one has to be a pacifist but goddamn have some balance this goes for mainstream HH and BR. Pac, Nas, WU, MF DOOM, Black Thought, AZ, Styles P, Jigga, Mos DEF, Dead Prez, X Clan, Brand Nubian, Jay Elec etc give you both sides. Pusha T a legend himself, mastered the art of coke raps and it's never boring nor do i get tired of it and he's a lyricist. Twork still owes B Dot that battle from SM10 (T TOP replaced NJT after NJT car collision), that should be B Dot's return battle.

[@angelomarconi1747]

Bdot says he's done.arp might be the only one that could give em enough $$ for another battle or 2.smack ain't paying him more than 20k.but yea I think he tweeted even a few months ago that he was STILL done.who knows.i think every battle rapper like rum and geechi that think they are elite from cuz they have gun bat punches and drug stories should have to face bdot and daylyt as a version of a gatekeeper to see if their pens can elavate/keep up.people say roc is one of if not THE greatest of alll time and I feel like daylyt embarrassed him.the level of penmanship is just levels ahead.sane with bdot.mfs claiming their goats,Rushmore candidates and COTY should HAVE to battle bdot,daylyt,lux,qp etc

[@EYEAMNEGUS]

@@angelomarconi1747 Dot gonna return he's always had a love/hate relationship wit BR the politics, fans etc. He's needed not enough substance all these twork and rum clones.

[@bluehefner426]

Battle rappers getting on that stage with all new material that nobody heard and thousands of ppl listening to every word they say with no beat so the stuff the spitting have to be 🔥battle rapping os probably the hardest thing to do in the music world

[@howiedodat]

Battle rappers are rapping about a person for 3 rounds…they creative but it’s way harder to make music

[@justourthoughts6272]

This felt like a 15 Min of Fame or HHIR interview after a battle, lol.

[@baranda0]

I would say battle rappers are more of a artist since they are actually focusing heavy on real artistry while the pop gimmicks go by the industry standard that is laid out for them no matter how you try to spin it so yeah battle rappers work waaay harder and those are fucking facts 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@PopOutPaulie]

I remember when Battle Rappers used to talk shit about Rap artists about how they lie in they raps and how they weren't gangsta and now its the complete opposite. Almost every battle round is nothing but straight up cap rap. Shit is hilarious

[@RightWingRadioShow]

Literally every single person on Math's side of the screen could LEAVE. pointless waste of air and interrupting people for no reason.

[@muneysa3934]

Battlers got it harder my opinion…. They gotta make long ass rounds and remember and perform em in shorts periods

[@gutterbois]

Battle Rappers, they can never say the same bars twice unless its a slogan while a one hot wonder can make millions performing the same song for years

[@HIGHOCFILMS]

How did Tsu Surf not come up in this convo🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MembarzOnly]

T-Top made history in London how come no media talking about it? *sings singleeeee*

[@nhoodjazz]

What history

[@yangasidziya3245]

What did he do?

[@yami-kay9099]

What song is it geechi has with a feature that twork loves? I want to check it out.

[@mididas2151]

Artists work way harder...

[@GRAFFSWAGG]

Battle rappers have it harder(pause). Rappers can have the SILENCE of the studio..all the concentration needed. They get to enjoy the luxury of the music and people enjoying well before the concert. Rappers can recreate one song over and over until its right before any one ever hears it. Battle rappers get a practice and then they right off to the "concert). Their entire energy comes from the crowd. It can make them. They find out live thats its not likes. Rappers can hide trash bars behind music. Battlers cant do that. They got the crowd and a mic #Hip hop

[@leekotvfilms5236]

Ryda and b dot make some of the best battle rapper music

[@MDAce150]

Too many people talking over each other at one time. We need that structure back.

[@rodneyscott5450]

Artists work way harder than Battle Rappers...The artists have to make music, tour on the road, Attend award shows,etc...Artists rarely have a break to do anything else

[@JeaniusMenard]

Go say that to pro athletes 😂

[@xman0216]

@@JeaniusMenardthis ain’t about pro athletes tho lol

[@JeaniusMenard]

@@xman0216 Just imaging what they go through tho lol

[@yuanxiu37]

A battle is man vs man. You can't battle and be positive you supposed to be trying to beat the other competitors

[@darylclemonsjr.3056]

Battle Rappers don't have to hold Subject like a Full Song. Each, Verse is not a Subject like a Complete Song, it's a battle. The Verse can change during the Battle, No Subject like a song supposed to be. To be able to do both is Special. What Here can do. Htnc.

[@danas916x]

50 Cent said it best. They are talented lyricist but cant make a song to save they life, but there are exceptions. Artists work harder at the end of they because they mutli million companies that want they cut so they have to do a lot of extra shit...touring, commercials, interviews, etc. But it does mean they are more talented

[@robertn1750]

I wanna kno wat song the is gotti I tlkn bout wit lil homie that slid on da beat

[@BelovedMilord]

Surf is an amazing artist on wax and one of the biggest battle rappers ever… it’s possible

[@BigHenshin]

Ngl this is kind of a bad faith question imho. I think everyone who thinks its easy to write 3 rounds worth of quality battle raps should try it and see how long it takes them. I also think everyone who thinks its easy to put together a good piece of music should try it and see how long it takes them.

[@bigloc3442]

Battle rappers work harder. U making music while doing battles all over the country. Respect to both , the artists and the battle rappers. Not easy , either way

[@dominiquesmith7680]

Rappers doing that times two though and have to worry about they image on a mainstream level

[@terrancecrafton5245]

Geechi in his head like Ace yea u been to the feds an Twork u did a few strong arms but y’all ain’t even like that 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@enydreaddy6622]

Hanz get bizzy

[@iDewThis4Yu]

That new snippet so ass😂

[@2waveyy_tv]

Surf the best batter rapper that makes music !

[@DARÉ_REBELO]

Verb, Cal n mackk myrron, heard some dope shit from Jc n t top too.

[@thatguy2.09]

Battle rappers stand on stage sweating and screaming like theyre bout to fight for 20 mins. Artist don't do all that except 69, onyx etc

[@nakwonpatterson5611]

Put Hanz on the show

[@Swissceo]

Battle rappers work harder to me cus they have to keep coming up with new material and they have to remember it on stage

[@micahbinns2740]

Being an artist you have could have made 1,000 songs before ppl even discover you. There is way more competition, to be an artist.

[@kevin084life]

3:50

[@NoAlliance]

Shoulda got t pain to sing that hook broski

[@BigWoo-fi9rs]

You need t-top on your show

[@mauricefears1430]

What song is Twork referring to of Geechi's at 6:53 ?

[@lewinhisbag]

That’s what I’m tryna see

[@elgerone]

Battle rap is bragging preaching…making melodies and cadences much harder

[@reasun_pgh]

I think we need more deep and thought-provoking music. We have enough of the other stuff. And I know these emcees are capable of it. Many do seem to have a hard time making the transition to making & performing music, but I do think the same amount of effort & passion has to be put into the music. For example, if you wouldn't battle rap over a pre-recorded track, why rap your songs over the pre-recorded track? It comes across as lazy

[@Nathan_F_Monroe]

Easy answer : Gunna got called a snitch and went number #1 after getting out in a few months Adi Boom got called a snitch after doing years…. And can’t battle rap again. Rappers work harder or atleast it’s harder to be a battle rapper

[@lewinhisbag]

What song is he talking bout

[@eeds8860]

I get self promo but these music clips are too much. Especially when it's just promoting your relationship status man....cmon

[@Skywalker721]

Math & other battle rappers sound like haters when they say they’re only inspired by like 3 rappers. There’s way more skilled MCs than that. That perspective & closed minded mentality stunts growth. It also perpetuates the cycle of black people devaluing our culture which causes others to do the same. Industry artists downplay battle rap & battle rappers downplay industry artists, then fans believe that bs & it causes unnecessary division.

[@jayden2410]

boy dat intro song so ass u can’t keep forcing us

[@RockNRollJeezus]

aint that dude in white cassidy's navy seal lol

[@bigloc3442]

Lol. Nah bruh is about dat foreal. He well known in the industry. East New York/ Brownsville Brooklyn nigga.. he's phreshers homeboy

[@giovannicarter3076]

Keep Twork off camera if he not rapping

[@MatthewMoscotto]

Battle rappers are the perfect example of store employees while artists focus on the bigger scale like upper executives. They both need each other though.

[@crooklyn58]

Skip to 0:38 .. thank me later.

[@MightieDuckie]

Where my dogs at is crazy! “Mingle” is worst 😭🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑

[@Yoitsseb]

Having a conversation with Twork about who works harder is hilarious. Hes the laziest battler in the game.

[@GRAND60N2]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joseph5589]

Facts lol

[@kingkennedy8961]

It’s Hoffa that song ain’t it my guy 😂

[@GiftedDee]

Battle rappers really can’t make music lol

[@NajePapers]

Cassidy was the only one

[@kingleake12ml]

@@NajePapersTsu Surf’s music is way better than Cassidy’s.

[@actionpack7429]

Tsu and chess both got shit I listen to till this day !!

[@NajePapers]

@@kingleake12ml no it's not he don't have no hit records but he does make good music out of today's generation of battle rappers

[@sweetbuttergeminine4756]

Lux, Surf, Cheyna, 40, Ryda.. keep goin??

[@bernardtyler526]

What math is this? Not feeling this sh...t at all

[@docwash3921]

Do y’all think Battle Rappers struggle to make hits because they are built to focus on lyrics-over-everything while the common listener is focused on the vibe-over-everything? Are battle rappers oblivious to the Purpose of a hit (to get butts moving)? Ain’t nobody trying to pause the party to stop-and-listen… lol Have to align intention of song to approach to making the song.

[@abpodcast140]

No disrespect big bro but that song aint it