Bisu vs Soma -- what more can you ask for?

Bisu (P) vs Soma (Z) on Retro.
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[@monkleyt]

I did watch until the credits rolled. This game was truly epic

[@pkscolax9480]

Definitely. I wonder how at 32:00 abouts would the game swing back in Toss favor. Maybe attacking the middle of the map bonus resources patch.

[@Xaan-lm4hb]

One thing I'd like to comment on is Bisu's upgrades. Back in 2017 when Remastered came out we still had the leftover dogma that Protoss should prioritize attack upgrades only. Then that evolved to getting attack and armor (with double forge, even) as pros came back to the game and figured out any economy savings from not getting armor were outweighed by how much weaker hydras are against high armor upgrades. Then finally we're in 2024 and Bisu is getting shields over +3 armor for a stronger late game vs plague. The game is 25 years old and keeps evolving strategically.

[@Z3nt4]

That DT play gave me massive chills. That's how I always imagined DTs as a 12 year old playing the original campaign back in 1999. A stealth assassin that could somehow tap into the swarm's mind, outmaneuver the Zerg, wreak havoc among the hives and seemingly vanish into thin air like he was never even there.

[@Dtt4]

Not without the help of the Corsairs.

[@ryanlutes9833]

those two guardians were probably my favorite play of the match. Not a lot of kills but the sheer value they got in terms of damage just plinking away at the archons moving back and forth was awesome.

[@mapro3948]

yep!

[@fencserx9423]

Spoiler blocker

[@steinarmathisen3015]

You are doing Gods work.

[@abzzba926]

❤

[@djinn_tseng]

stop it.

[@steinarmathisen3015]

@@djinn_tseng what?

[@bradyhicks5994]

Beautiful game. Brood War is so amazing at the highest level with the comeback potential and the multiple engagements across the map.

[@Ziegfried82]

Love to see guardians being used properly! Both of these guys showing a masterclass of ZvP.

[@ivankuzin8388]

@@Ziegfried82 Guardians won the game this time for Zerg!

[@conorquinn9245]

so damn true about what bisu manages to get done with a handful of dt corsair

[@godlyobject6509]

Definitely made it all the way to the end; very back and forth game. Another great cast, Artosis! Love the channel, keep it up.

[@00Noontide]

Loved the tone on this cast, Artosis. Very serene and self composed. So professional!! 💯❤️

[@furlisht]

Wow that was one hell of a game! Watching your casts is quicky becoming an evening routine for me and I love it!

[@cerebrate8285]

Watched the whole video, this game was absolutely insane. Thanks for the casts, Arty!

[@user-vm7bx1bq4s]

That game was a freaking gem

[@AceBadguy]

Great work once again with your knowledgeable casts.

[@MrLecksy]

one of the best games I've seen in the last 6 months, gotta love the swarm!

[@patrickburden8257]

Great game. Thanks for bringing us this epic battle Artosis!

[@TheBryceWade]

Epic lategame battle. Great cast. It's nice to have BW content that's high quality outside of ASL.

[@iiroaro808]

Fun to see the intense micro battles towards the end, even though both players know the game's been over for a while now

[@lockdown969]

Made it to the end. Fantastic game from two legends. Thanks for commentating.

[@stephenchyau6486]

Made it til the end. Got to meal prep for the week in the process. Thanks for the cast

[@Fanelan053]

Watched until GG, it was awesome to see the hold right until lurkers in the top right. Great game, awesome to see him come back after that opener!

[@graemebooth6685]

Made it to the end! Great game and great cast as always

[@jamesimeson8554]

You're awesome Arty. Keep up the great work as always!

[@petersu4869]

dude, love your channel, I didn't play broodwars back in the day, just learning now, your videos are very instructive.

[@SamN428]

Impressive game! I didn't touch this game for years but always a pleasure to follow your casts. Gg!

[@Hazling-nq6p]

Ooh, I was the 1000th like, XD hype! Thanks artosis for all that you've done in the Brood War community! Also made it to the end!

[@alexpinard-bineau2745]

Thank you Artosis for all those great games. I haven't played starcraft in over 20 years and just started watching games on your channel. I could never really figure out the game as a kid but now I feel like I want to play it again!

[@tacticalchunder1207]

Amazing game from the winner!

[@ConstantineIII]

God I can't get enough of high level broodwar. So glad to have these casts!!

[@coryallen2863]

Always appreciate your content arty

[@BillyTaylor-eu7vc]

Love the channel and content and love everything starcraft. First time commenting and I just wanted to point this out and im sure most of us know this but I know its hard to actually pull off depending on map and layout but whenever facing zerg their biggest weakness is that they only make 1 building to access or unlock the troops they need right such as zerglings, hydra, etc. while Terran and protoss can make multiple buildings when making troops like marines, medics, etc.with barracks and zealots, dragoons, etc with gateway. Anyways take out the spawning pool and hydralisl den and defiler mound and stalls zerg for abit and then u can attack elsewhere simultaneously picking at fresh bases and back and forth. Yes, you would have to sacrifice some troops for it via drop or air attack but more than worth it imo. Don't know why i don't see it more is all from other players. Love everyone here btw and our love for then game. Awesome😊

[@VicViperBW-sh2mr]

Amazing game. Watched til the end effortlessly.

[@mechaman7818]

32:40 We gotta hoooold oooonnn, to what we got! It doesn't make a difference if we make it or not! We got templar and storm and that's a lot... For wasting tiiiiime!

[@nifarious]

The beauty of that arc...

[@ashuael5732]

insane game

[@sayanator]

Fun game. Thanks for casting.

[@bOstik210]

Zerg swarm in full effect! You love to see it

[@cleitonfelipe2092]

Impressive game, thanks for casting so well that even me as a non player can understand what's going on at all times

[@FlymanMS]

Super fun game. Two pros at their best.

[@Juch1]

What a game! Thank you for showing..:)

[@badbeat787]

lol my jaw dropped and i threw my hands up in confusion when he pulled the dt away before even killing a 2nd drone. such discipline

[@MrReborn8u]

Ty for these artosis

[@BreakTheIce222]

those 2 guardians were lowkey trolling the archons

[@nrednred5524]

Love these last stand kinds of games.

[@christopherwoodjr235]

Wow. What a game, that was a blast

[@jrodtopo]

Nice epic match. Loved seeing the near 180 degree guardian arc haha.

[@macewindont9922]

Bisu maelstorming zerglings is peak Starcraft.

[@Kurvits]

Yessssssss. Looks like its gonna be a niiiice match

[@MrReborn8u]

Im thinking the Zergling speed into lair is just because Soma respects what Bisu can do with just a few zealots. Especially taking the quick third on a 4 player map, and knowing bisu scouted it.

[@KoIossov]

Watched to the end, what an amazing game! Seeing the Guardians come out was brilliant :D

[@pounds1212]

Great cast 🎉

[@zukunftverstehen]

Wow, this was an exceptional game! One of the greatest games I ever seen!🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@buneuocheng678]

Wow, what a great game! By reading those players before the game started, already knew it was an exciting game fighting head to head. Bisu, very good kill in the beginning opener, almost kill off Zerg’s base. On the other side, Soma, had a very strong map control plus very strong defense made Bisu very hard to break in. Plus some great Guardians used towards the end. This was so fun and enjoyable to watch. Thank you Artosis!

[@greenwave819]

just saw this a couple days ago on Falcon Paladin lol. Still watched it again all the way cause it was pretty good!

[@onarass6321]

What a crazy game.

[@Winnetou17]

Game too short! WE WANT MORE!

[@KuKuKlock123]

Ask for it to be 2009 😢 watching these guys in their prime.

[@taemeister9302]

What a match!

[@yellow6100]

having 2 dark archons will be a norm 3 years from now.

[@levonschaftin3676]

what a game!

[@Icthi]

I made it to the end! This was a great game!

[@yellow6100]

WHAT A GAME

[@MrZebub]

As if anyone didn't make it all the way through to the end.

[@Zyzyx442]

Really awesome game, thanks

[@damagednoob]

Made it to the end!

[@TehJed]

I made it all the way to the end! Do we get t-shirts?

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

I think not hunting down the overlords early game really hurt him Also why do I always think red zerg is the most elite zerg color? Reminds me of those story hunter killers.

[@InkySquid17]

Minor correction: Maelstrom does not work against burrowed units.

[@nicksterba]

Let's go!

[@chedca]

one of the best game of sc2 i ever saw

[@mateog5362]

Awesome game! Lategame PvZ is really amazing to watch!

[@The_Audiobook_Channel]

Edge. Of. My. Seat. terrific game!

[@mattfox5933]

Insane match wow

[@2slick4u.]

8:18 POG !!! 👁👄👁

[@Freefall282]

epic game, love to see late game pro play.

[@ignantxxxninja]

sc is like the chess of online real-time strategy game... Bisu was just playing out the checkmate.

[@flyingwalrus7831]

Good morning Artosis! Got the day off, cup of coffee and see Bisu vs Soma -- what more can you ask for? And think TRUE, COMFY STATUS 10/10

[@jonasdainauskas6004]

Hi Artosis, very cool cast as usual. My question is about the ghost lockdown ability. Why is it nearly never used against carriers? I would say from the first look it is just as powerful as maelstrom, just requires more ghosts instead of one dark templar. Any arguments on this? I've seen a couple of games where 10-12 carriers were caught and completely annihilated.

[@NotFalco]

The best part was when artosis spoke

[@smithmdmd]

Made it to the end

[@Snomittt]

damn feels like protos dont have a chance in this matchup early agresion where he killed a hatch oh and he killed zerg hatch on top right and all this tight defences amazing storms, and zerg just comes with more each time, loses entire army => switches to guardians and has a max out atack again AND he is like 2000 resources ahead all the time. Its like this campaign missions to hold for 20 min and by the end you feel like zerg is getting units out of his ass. Not to mention protos was like a bad storm away from losing a game most of the time since zerg's army feels like on crack 1 lurker or a few zerglings/hydras and most of your army disapears. Crazy

[@hal4297]

Soma knows everything to make efficient trade with protoss

[@ZeRaOutlands]

good game

[@lronSky]

Any chance of you casting some old school legndary games Artosis?

[@Mathos93]

Epic game, Soma new nickname the survivor

[@ChickenC3]

POG

[@cubandarknez]

made it to the end. Very surprising game. Thought it was surely over after that 9 oclock went down for zerg. Think toss got too cute, should've pushed forward with a storm timing since they knew zerg was behind on their timings.

[@dainbaril2934]

Soma played like a true hivemind. What could bisu have even done after soma got those 2 bridge positions with lurker/defiler?

[@sti8116]

These dragoons can do literally nothing. Well turns out they can do something, really clump up and get plagued.

[@MrLecksy]

I realize Artosis must have found pepcid in his life, haven't heard him burp in weeks!

[@TwirlingFern]

Good game

[@user-sc1qq3yg8y]

Yes

[@AqoCyrale]

Soma had 78 drones at one point, this is the true power of zerg, the macro machine is activated and unlocked at full power, neverending swarm of units

[@WickedServantEbay]

this wasnt really that kind of game though; Soma had to be really efficient at trading which is why there were so many skirmishes instead of max army clashes when zerg gets a couple bases ahead THEN they can swarm you and just steamroll (need a lot of hatches first of course) but Bisu did so much damage that they were basically on even bases

[@JonTietz]

@SaiyanKCM casted this game a couple of weeks ago I'm 99.9% sure. Funny how closely you both casted it.

[@yellow6100]

almost each other game casted we have a new best protoss and zerg.

[@freehatespeech6804]

People mocked me when I said that dark archons are good, and that they will eventually be used xd back in the day

[@user-wn1lv7tk6m]

I did!

[@usmh]

Would've LOVED to see more zealots late game. They seem so much better under swarm than archons.

[@JakeGittes84]

Plague + lurker and zealots just evaporate sadly

[@drewwalbeck6006]

All hail the algorithm

[@grigorsamsa6564]

A fun game to watch. It was nice to see Soma pop Guardians at exactly the moment when I thought "this looks like a great place for Guardians". Of course he thought of it before I did, it takes some time to get the Greater Spire after all. I wonder if there's a use for Mind Control in breaking Lurker setups. You'd probably prefer Reavers most of the time, especially when defending a static position, but for poking, a Dark Archon in a Shuttle would get you guaranteed value every time it popped a Mind Control.

[@Pico141]

This is completely impractical because: -you need about 1,5 - 2 minutes for first cast and then about 3,5 for another, in the meantime it's dead supply which leaves you with a weaker army -It loses all it's shields when casting mind control, so you're not guaranteed multiple uses which are necessary to even get any value -Dark archon costs 200 gas and 4 supply - pretty expensive (and toss NEEDS gas in this matchup) and also lots of supply to use up, and Protoss is already much less supply efficient than zerg until reaching reaver/archon/templar composition -only works against lurkers, while reavers/archons/templars are good against every zerg ground unit - reavers/archons/templars can kill multiple lurkers in a fight, while a dark archon can kill only one - requires lots of micro I'm not even referencing value of getting a lurker, because in realistic situations it'll just get killed off before it deals any significant damage. This is just something you could do for fun against a much weaker opponent

[@grigorsamsa6564]

Of course all those points are valid for the vast majority of cases, which is why you do see Reaver / Archon / Templar. You wouldn't see mass Dark Archon the way you sometimes see mass Queen vs mech. I'm wondering about a very specific use, when you already have the Dark Archon (e.g. in this game because of Mutas), and for poking / raiding. Reavers take time to fire after dropping out of a Shuttle, while Mind Control pops just a little quicker, can hit something from behind terrain, insta-kills (well, takes-over) it, and no Scarab shenanigans to worry about. Still extremely specific, but it's like when Tasteless put out his tier list for Brood War units and I commented that the Scout is probably not E-tier but closer to D because there's gotta be some edge case use for it, and then Mini builds two in an ASL finals and holds off a Terran push with them. That said if you're at this point, Maelstrom is already researched and generally more useful, and on top of that Mind Control is ridiculously expensive. I wonder though, as players experiment and get better with micro over time. It's like how keeping your High Templar in Shuttles is now more common than it used to be.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

Cool. Still suggesting louder game volume.