How Renaissance artists were trained

[@roseconfectionart409]

I wish that happened in this era. Art needs to be mastered and valued.

[@RealistRatRace]

Not when A.I art exist

[@roseconfectionart409]

@@RealistRatRace 😢

[@RealistRatRace]

@@roseconfectionart409 I am very sorry that was really rude by me.

[@Kirby3585]

Valued yesss plenty people still master their craft tho

[@Coeurlarme]

How the fuck do you think the art department in video games, movies with lots of VFX and animation movies are running. Beside the medium and the fact that people usually aren’t yet in full art training at 10, there is literally no difference. Collaborative work which is highly valued, juniors working on less important task while gaining experience, everyone being highly skilled. The only difference I see is more specialization of labor, that’s all.

[@pijoo_213]

A lot of japanese manga and (if I’m not mistaken) anime productions use a similar model. Artists start by doing less important work like backgrounds and rendering and take on increasingly important tasks as their experience grows, the whole time learning from their superiors and guiding their juniors. Many assistants in manga projects eventually start their own manga projects with their own assistants, and the cycle continues. It’s a great way to keep a craft alive.

[@jensenraylight8011]

not to mention, there are a lot of Japanese Manga with Award winning level of Writing, not only they're making a great art, design and character, they're also the master of writing as well. they're also keep innovating the art of conveying emotion, expression, and energy. it just too bad that people didn't acknowledge them as much, even though they're dedicate almost all of their life to a single craft.

[@angellover02171]

It thinks it is something like that. Also, if a mangaka is not good at everything, having a person who is better at drawing certain things, can make a panel look way better.

[@hemessfell7747]

@@shawnbutchko456 Speed Racer isn't a western cartoon, its original name is "Mach GoGoGo" and originally aired from April 2, 1967 to March 31, 1968 in Japan. Speed Racer is an anime and isn't even one of the first to incorporate this kind of art style!

[@MFDOOOOM]

​@@shawnbutchko456 lolll how tf is it copyright infringement if it's literally the same anime but with different names in Japanese and English? Dumbest comment I've seen in a while.

[@shawnbutchko456]

@@MFDOOOOM what are you smoking? Did you even graduate from a normal high school? Do you even have a job? No, YOURS is well, one of the dumbest comments I've ever received. What an oxymoron! Lol 😆

[@maxnihil604]

this makes me think about how a lot of artists today are "self taught" because of how easy its is to get into things like drawing, and how many of those who are self taught develops distinct styles because there is no one that teaches them how to best capture something in an image and they all find their own special ways of drawing things

[@mayomyam3862]

‘’Vincent Willem van Gogh”

[@chessshyrecat]

Most of the proclaimed self taught artists are not. They just don't count the tutorials, books and watching other people draw and paint and copying from their favorite artists as being taught. Also most beginner artists often make the same mistakes which as a result look similar to any other beginner artists. Every truly skilled artist with a unique style usually has this style because the artist has enough skill to put together something unique combining the knowledge and skill, balancing out the tools used to represent something to their liking and interpretation. Easy to get into, hard to master. It is easier and harder today, because on one hand you have access to all the knowledge you need to get good even for free. Harder because you have navigate and filter to only take from the valuable and useful sources, not following bad or rong advice.

[@PercabethLovernot]

dude this is such a cool look at it

[@djo-dji6018]

​@@mayomyam3862 Van Gogh wasn't self taught.

[@beaver_eater2447]

Book, tutorials and resources is still count as self-taught in my opinions because as you said, it's hard to choose the "correct information" to learn from, putting it together without any help from teachers or courses is a skill itself and the definition of self-taught

[@EllyValentini]

what a privilege to be able to live and breathe the craft that you love 24/7, without having to work a 9/5 to “just get by” 😢❤

[@GoreTheSummoner]

the privilage is to succeed with it lol. theres plenty of people who love art and create art but will never make it their real work, for many reasons. Many who deserve to get recognition. I would say being an artist is even worse this days then it used to be. If u r not in the environtment of art you are doomed by algorithms who will never show your work to the people.

[@EllyValentini]

@@GoreTheSummoner I didn’t even mean it’s a privilege to be successful. Just being able to spend all of your time doing what you love would be a dream come true. As long as you can make a living, sounds awesome.

[@GoreTheSummoner]

@@EllyValentini "as long as you can make a living" is already a success

[@rasmokey4]

My job left me so tired at the end of the day that I had no energy to do my artful paintings!

[@Casey_Truman]

Totally. The fostering of the arts isn’t nearly as valued today as it was back then, especially when compared to how much money & support is put into sports nowadays. Sports have “workshops” and patronage on several levels, but when it comes to the arts you basically have to fend for yourself.

[@coldstuff9784]

I like the idea of apprenticeship. You weren't thrown to the wild immediately after high school. You would already be training and ready to work a job that you were comfortable with and make a living.

[@ot7saranghae124]

Yeah...

[@leroysanchino]

You know apprenticeships are still a thing, right?

[@tattoofthesun]

It still happens today in grants and artist and residency programs, but especially in scholarships for art school. What’s impossible is creating work that gets you solo exhibition shows in major galleries.. and I mean work that gets you into galleries by your own artistic expression and not connections or someone liking your backstory

[@redfo3009]

They started early too as a teenager. Teenagers today are totally undervalued and ignored for the most part. In Australia you can apprentice at age 16 where in North America you have to wait until 18 or 19 .. teens have brains that can absorb so much and come up with brilliant ideas, but they are (purposely?) not doing this. I think they want us dumbed down so we are more compliant. Such a waste of what could be a great society.

[@CyberLou]

There... still a thing? You know this right?

[@notamanstudios4408]

I think it's also important to remember that time is a quality filter. there have been artists of every level from the beginning of humanity to the modern day. we preserve and cherish the pieces we find worth keeping, and the rest fade into obscurity. (this is why people think older tv shows and were better than modern media)

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

a valuable and overlooked point notaman

[@habibaparacha5708]

Really poignant!

[@julietted1186]

That´s a great point here!

[@Dmaj089]

I see it in a different light like people from early 1900s to early 2000s pre 2010 had the best combination of talent, art and purity in what they did. And I mean the artists. From movies, music to painting even, I think you truly had to be talented in your work back then now it's too much information around nobody masters anything and people are more for the financial gains in a particular art

[@NinoMesarina]

As a professional artist working on the film industry, I can asure you that the renaissance artists were beasts, legit disciplined people at its finnest (don't take away their effort by calling them "talented"). Art disciplines like Drawing, Painting or Sculpting are NOT innate talents, do not get fed with that misleading believe. Art disciplines have a lot of science behind them, and anyone who wants to become an artist, has to learn them. The problem is, the science behind art disciplines is so complex that most people give up and then say that "they didnt have the talent" as an excuse. I couldn't draw even a simple cube nor any straight line or circle about 3 years ago, but I learned from my mentors that with discipline, analitical thinking and hard work, I could become an artist without a big art school, and thats exactly what happened. You dont need an art school to become an artist or to copy what is in front of you (thats the old way of learning, which is very unefficient today) but you need to learn the "fundamentals" and control them well, and there are books and some pretty cheap short courses for that, so there is no excuse for not making your dreams come true. If you really want to learn how to draw and paint, you need to learn Perspective, no matter what. And I am talking about the science of Perspective, im not talking about "they way you see things". Perspective is the most important fundamental of any visual artist, it gives you the knoledge and tools to calculate a 3D drawing inside a 2D space (aka, a flat paper/PC Screen if you draw digitally, which is the same as drawing on paper btw, sometimes it is more difficult to draw digitally, dont listen to people who say digital art is easy, it is not). I dropped out of college to become an artist and now I earn more than most my friends who did finish college, so art is a good career path, but again, it is a hard one and if you dont have the discipline, then it will be a very ugly path to follow, since Art does not forgive laziness and companies only hire artists that have a proper Portfolio (art pieces online that show that you can design/create and manipulate 3D forms with consistency); and to achive that, you need to study and practice like crazy, at least 5 hourse a day if you want to make it really fast, and 7 days a week (with 3 hours you can do it in 2 years, which is also very fast for this carreer). Follow the steps from Leonardo and Michael Angelo, they were not geniuses, they were clearly some of the most disciplined human beens ever, thats why they became 2 of the most amazing masters of all time. If you like art, try it, give it your best, do not give up, remember that it takes time and art feels like magic at first, but it is only because to learn it, you need to study, draw and then when you sleep its when your brain truly starts to process the information to learn it well, thats why in 1 day you can not learn nor feel like you have learned how to draw 1 subject; you need to wait until next day to feel that new information and skill, and at least 2 weeks to see a big improvement. do not give up, its just like going to the gym, you will not see a big change in 1 week, you will see it in 1 month of study and practice

[@antoniolima1068]

true, full time artist here... with a solid understanding of fundamental and learning modern ways. Persistency, discipline and consistency, now i can reap the benefits of my younger years dreams.

[@bangchittybang]

Thats genuinely inspiring

[@rodrigocarvalho6426]

While I do agree that renaissance artists were disciplined above all else, I think you cannot take the genius element out of the equation

[@carlosngo3338]

@@feralmode true

[@carlosngo3338]

@@rodrigocarvalho6426 I agree. As much as anyone could improve in any field with time, effort, and discipline, there are people who are born with a natural ability to learn particular things much more quicker.

[@MikeLaRock88]

Its rare, but sometimes I come across a YT video and think "Ive never wondered this, but now I'm intrigued." Great video sir, subbed.

[@_aeaesthetics]

Reminds me a lot of a video from the Met called Revisiting Rembrandt: Case Histories in Connoisseurship. They discuss the way Rembrandt's workshop functioned and how curators have struggled to tell the difference by ones created by the artist himself vs the students. Good stuff!

[@isrv]

This is definitely a reason why I wouldn’t mind a time machine ,I’d give all my painting skill just to get a chance to be an apprentice during those times and learn from the masters 😭

[@futurestoryteller]

Yeah, I mean, okay, you should learn a lot before you go, to prepare yourself and them for the dangers of their era. Maybe to start with; teaching them not to use "lead white". Like ever

[@isrv]

@@futurestoryteller 👌 🫡

[@feyrol42]

There are ateliers that exist today that teach old masters techniques

[@isrv]

@@feyrol42 damn where do I sign! Fr I’m gonna look it up thanks 🙏

[@ericrogal995]

Wow! This was fascinating to watch! Artists had to be very knowledgeable and understanding of their craft from materials to the actual piece! Love it!

[@mikesamovarov4054]

You can do it too.

[@Blick_Art]

We think there are lots of amazing artists working today, including many who are faithfully training in traditional methods. Works of the past that have been deemed worthy of conservation and preservation tend to be stunning examples of the very best. This video shows paintings and drawings spanning centuries, from across Europe, and that's what we see in museums and books, and not the many works that haven't survived due to poor quality, bad luck, or the whims of fickle taste. Another thing is that Renaissance and Baroque masterpieces were often team projects, rather than a single artist's expression, and often an apprentice would contribute special, signature touches and fail to be credited at all. Also, while traditional workshops did prepare their own colors in-house, often the supports- the primed panels- were prepared by specialist panel makers/cabinet makers; artists today often proudly make their own supports in-house, so we don't think there's any reason to feel inferior just because you buy colors in a tube! Art materials are higher quality, more permanent, and more widely accessible today than at any time in history, and art comes from real people, real voices, with a diversity of experience that has never before been seen.

[@mikesamovarov4054]

Yes, art is more popular and wide spread than ever. Lessons are free or cheap. Many styles and mediums to choose from. Free time to allow creative hobbies, that didn't exist before in masses. Art is definitely democratic now. But its monetary value is practically zero, because there are too many offers and no demand. People create their own art or gift it to others.

[@Blick_Art]

@@mikesamovarov4054 We know thousands of artists who achieve meaningful sale prices for their art, but it is awfully hard to get to that stage and you're right that competition is fierce. We think it's absolutely great that barriers have fallen allowing more people to make art, as a vocation, as a hobby, for self-care, and for the sheer joy of expression.

[@jensenraylight8011]

@@mikesamovarov4054 Just go to Artstation, or play Game and Watch Movie, that was basically are all created by modern Artists, Those guys are no slouch either. it's still Painted and Sculpted painstakingly by hand, although digitally, it didn't make it any easier than doing it traditionally. i don't know why but people tend to think that Digital Art is somehow Generated by computer, and not created by hand do you think that those guys who worked at Film or Game Industry didn't get paid, their work had no monetary value and no demand?

[@EmnM2010]

The 10,000 hours principle really comes into play with apprenticeships. I wish they were commonplace in every industry today.

[@futurestoryteller]

That number is a load of crap, all it does is hold people back

[@SamArt6607]

@@futurestorytellerexplain, I can see where your coming from, but explain further

[@futurestoryteller]

@@SamArt6607 It's creating a causitive link between to a correlation. Small children who are prodigious almost certainly didn't put in ten thousand hours. I'm not suggesting "natural talent" - which can probably be accounted for by other correlations. I'm simply saying I don't believe in an approximate number of hours being the key to expertise any more than I believe everyone has a certain amount of "talent mana" they instinctively draw from to reduce the number of hours necessary to do so. The world is not a black and white place, one of the things a person definitively needs to succeed artistically is self-confidence in their own abilities. Not unlike a placebo, if you will. Asserting to people, convincing them rhetorically, that they _need_ to put in their ten thousand hours, that's a *nocebo.* It risks stagnation when progress is within reach. It keeps people within arms reach of their goal until they do more work on it than _perhaps_ is necessary. The brain has immense interconnected plasticity, any number of things could improve your progress in another, but no matter what, it's all in the mind. There are plenty of studies showing that focused practice, trying new techniques and challenging oneself offer more gains than how many hours you put in, the brain is not a muscle, a workout plan is naive, and it seems there are an increasing number of studies specifically debunking the ten thousand hours rule too. I have probably drawn for more than ten thousand hours from childhood, if I had to guess, and I'm no expert by any stretch, but this "rule" was very obviously a lie the first time I heard it, and I think it's not healthy, mentally, to put any faith in it.

[@angelajsacaartistaffiliatedwpl]

Love the Renaissance days. Beautiful. Glad my husband been an artist with degree in art 39 years. He’s always talking with me about these days. 🙌. Painted Alfresco ❤

[@tyreseanderson8978]

There's also another reason that people tend to overlook which is that unlike today people back then didn't have distractions such as smartphones, social media, television, video games etc so they had more time to focus on their craft without getting distracted so that is another reason why they were so good and why it would be harder for people today to replicate that level of skill that people back then had.

[@nsbsvsvsv5551]

I think art was pretty prominent and we'll respected field among nobles. But now art is overlooked more. The place where I come from, people don't even consider it as a career. As to say about distractions, people who are passionate would do anything to get there no matter what. Distractions too existed back then but in different forms.

[@angellover02171]

No one really wants to pay for art. Unless it's furry art.

[@PortugalZeroworldcup]

Several artists are under appreciated, Johannes Vermeer, Albretch durer, El lissitsky, Victor Vasarely​@@angellover02171

[@just1rando]

@@nsbsvsvsv5551 And back then art was basically the only way to take photos

[@biosavat9475]

This is the most old man I hate modern art opinion I've seen here

[@Impulseartworks]

My thoughts are this stopped because people started to think of artists as having god given talent rather than skills learned and developed along with western culture valuing individualism and one person’s accomplishments. Look at our modern “heros” they are often just one person who accomplished great things rather than valuing the accomplishments of the group

[@gavinreid2741]

It is important to also recognise the importance of mathematics, To use single point linear perspective correctly the artists had to study geometry in particular.

[@cmwHisArtist]

I have seen a lot of statements made by art students in colleges saying that they received very little actual instruction there, the tendency being rather to allow the student to explore their own style and manifestation of it. It results in spending many thousands of dollars to basically rent a 4x4’ space in a room with an easel, and a teacher comes by once in a while and goes hmmmmmm……. The students are disheartened by oversimplified paintings that could be done by anyone, going for millions. Abstract ideas are now valued more than artistic ability. However, there are many talented artists online sharing their skills and information about products that work, and we thank them for gifting us with these videos. But as for the mainstream, high ability art is not valued or encouraged as it used to be. Beauty is important for the soul, creativity is a gift that should not be put aside and wasted.

[@npcimknot958]

Ya.. basically lol.. they don’t teach you anything really.. Exploring is fine. But also teaching hte fundamentals helps you explore more..

[@lisaandrews3206]

That’s why ateliers have become the bet place to learn the principles and techniques of representational art-making.

[@Son_of_Gondor96]

Should be at least 30 minutes! It's pretty entertaining. Cheers!

[@kevindominguez2117]

i wish this kind of teaching methods were still around

[@dharmendrarathod7088]

Thank you for making such video... for the first time I can connect to renaissance time and feel how it must be like

[@gavinreid2741]

One painting shown was by Vermeer .100 years after the Renaissance. Another by Courbet, 1855.

[@Narbros]

There are VERY FEW who still practice these styles, we need to keep them alive. My style aside from my cartoons, i choose the older style of inking, with crosshatching

[@levyredmoon]

makes sense, even now, making art collaboratively makes more creative artworks, or even spark more inspiration. Although not to the point of mastering their crafts.. some do, but not the majority as others just view it as a hobby. and even if you did do it solo, I bet it is still FOR someone or something.

[@yeyosilver7067]

Because they knew that beauty was not subjective, relative or a matter of opinion. Beauty is what it is and they knew it

[@chmendez]

Western civilization, regarding visual arts, peaked in the Renaissance and Baroque eras

[@parisasun2541]

These days the motto is « : anyone can be an artist « and usually takes a few classes !! Great video, thank you.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

but anyone can be an artist. i think you meant good artist, right? because a bad artist is still an artist.

[@parisasun2541]

@@Dave_of_Mordor well, you seem to,play with words. Yes I mean a good artist. And a bad artist is not an artist 😅

[@andra5979]

@@parisasun2541it’s a subjective argument. If you make things creatively, you are an artist. There’s successful ones with creativity oozing from their pores, so they stand out from the rest who aren’t as unique. But everyone has an innate ability to be creative, therefore making them artists if they choose to express that ability in their own way.

[@nikhilna5095]

These are too addicting 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@venkatarikravula5748]

Awesome and informative, wanted to know about the process and this video has given me a good exposure

[@andressamaniego]

"Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and an Apprentice"

[@Taktheartist]

😂😂😂good one

[@sidnistandard]

we need to bring this back!!

[@leinardesteves3987]

I wish we still did art this way, or at the very least fine arts. The same way we give licenses to Engineers and Architects, or doctorates to professors and medical practitioners, imagine having the title "Master" in your name

[@willdegra317]

nowadays, in the "postmodern" era, expensive art mostly serves to launder money. People still appreciate great realistic art, but the marketplace is dominated by paintings used , for example, to get dealings with sons of certain vice presidents and now president.

[@leinardesteves3987]

@@willdegra317 I dont see how that's related to anything I said but okay. Yeah modern art sure. But there are still paintings that are sold just for the artist, we just transitioned to the new media. Take a look at djamila knopf, karla ortiz, even amundsen, these are just examples of fantastic artists out there

[@AmeliaMastervally]

We view these people as masters through the lens of time past. One day in the future people will look back at masters of our time. Sadly with art there is not metric to measure it, and an attempt to do so would have to discard some aspect of art. Do we view technical ability highest? Or conceptual development? What about our emotional reaction to artworks? Use of optical illusions? Art is ever changing and evolving, decided who's art is best can only truely be understood in the future

[@leinardesteves3987]

@@AmeliaMastervally what is being discussed in this video is academic art. Not modern art. Therefore we're only speaking of mastery of the fundamentals. Academic art has a certain mastery required, you need knowledge of anatomy, perspective, color theory, composition, and all the fundamentals which was trained to these artists at a young age. Only then are you given the right to paint your own stuff in the studio. However I do agree that there are already artists that has achieved mastery of said skills that is from our current generation, steven huston, kim jung gi and mark maggiori comes to mind.

[@AmeliaMastervally]

@@leinardesteves3987 I know what the video is discussing, I was responding to how you thought it would be nice to give people the title of "master" similar to that of engineer or doctor. A lot of the skills taught to these classic artists are still taught in art schools, form, shadow, anatomy, composition, knowledge of materials and how to use them correctly were all taught to me when I attended art school. You can get a degree in art if you know these things yes, but that isn't what makes you a "master" masters are defined by how their art shapes the world around them, in my opinion. A lot of the time they're also recognised by how they deviate from the norms and rules of their time. What I mean is that a master is only something you can recognise after the fact, once you understand the full context of the time they lived in and the work they created and how it impacted the world. Ascribing "master" to an artist with an ongoing career would be like calling an engineer "the greatest inventor of their time" while they're still working. You can only know how influential an inventor is once you've seen their inventions interact with the world around them, and what is created following them. The Sega dream cast was lauded as an incredible console when released and commercially did well, but in retrospect was pretty much a huge failure. I think there's merit in recognising the work that goes into mastering these building blocks of art, bu the title master holds a lot of weight to it, and it's presumptuous of us to ascribe it to an artist when the future of their work is still unknown.

[@yorusan007]

only one word. Dedication. Are you ready to pursue art your whole life? Mordern artists do for money. They do because they love art and want to express

[@ClabeTickel]

I hope y’all realize that history only acknowledges the pretty paintings, not all renaissance artists were good.

[@intergalacticolive]

Not only that, but this comment section is just full of pompous assholes who say things like “All modern art is bad, and art is not valued enough, blah blah blah…”

[@MelanieFromCanada]

It's funny that in modern art, most of the 'not so good' art is more famous. In today's time you need a gimmick to get noticed. At least back then skill was important.

[@BrokeBoyGym]

​@@MelanieFromCanada fair point.

[@Itsjettondon05]

@@MelanieFromCanadaas human conciousness expands into more abstract thought abstract ideas will prevail

[@Zagirus]

@@Itsjettondon05 Abstract "art" is for posers and amateurs with no skill.

[@zachyoungink]

I see a lot of similarities to these methods in the modern-day tattoo industry, from the apprentice-master dynamic to young artists graduating to owning there own shops. A lot of people say the tattoo industry is in a renaissance period rn as well, with how much advancement has been made in the last decade or 2

[@kamikazeblackjack]

Tatto artist now have more in common with Renaissance painter than our modern day painter

[@korpakukac]

Where own shop? There? Where?

[@nathanbedfordforrest9546]

Tattoos are ugly and immoral.

[@wizardmongol4868]

@@nathanbedfordforrest9546i agree but i think theyre beutiful on a higher level so to speak. Imagine people 500 years from now collecting each "hides" with nice work and coollecting them.

[@Lorenzconnok]

Ive been obsessed for 25 years, and what ive found is there is no longer appreciation for this today because people dont know the discipline involved, nor the process of drawing and painting. Few care, many allow their ego to stand in the way of awe. To become adept at making marks that convey more as a compositon than as a whole rather than accidental clumsy individual marks is falling in love with living. Then comes the recignition that the lessons of a work of art bestow; the yin yang, the negative space defines the positive, take care the mark (positive) and what shape that isnt the mark (negative) are created simultaneously with 1 act. 1 act creates 2 things. "An equal or opposite" so to speak. Pervasive lessons in our reality. Perhsps people will encounter it in different ways but i say unto the reader - for them to be comparable life lessons they must manifest in our physical reality. When things are made "real" through work, the lesson is engrained (real) because you lived through it, you worked through it, it wasnt just an idea. The same way you fell in love with someone, rather than being told what love is, so too is art creation vs talking about concepts & lessons. If you made it this far, thanks for your time.

[@williambo5989]

they painted for the divine and their works were divine.

[@davidlarson2041]

check out The Atelier in Minneapolis MN where students are trained to paint like the old masters. Also many other ateliers have opened up around the world. Including Florance Italy.

[@vineeldevalapalli6873]

Such an interesting video. Please keep making more!!

[@MattB-el2qr]

Cool video. Interestingly the painting at the 5 second mark is called The Painter's Studio and was painted by Gustave Courbet in 1855. It isn't a renaissance painting but does somewhat refer to the method outlined in this video. The painting shows people in allegorical representations of Courbet's experience in his art training.

[@octobersandwich6209]

Whoa, good catch! You're totally right, that Courbet painting throws me off every time too. It's like a meta-commentary on the whole apprenticeship thing, haha. Thanks for pointing that out!

[@mannydeguzman7053]

we still do that in our art groups here in the Philippines where apprentices start as workshoppers and eventually become assistant art instructors to the master upon finishing the course. Art groups here usually hold exhibits as a group, accepts mural commissions as group collaborative work. Art Masters will influence workshoppers by mentoring them. We hold weekend meetings and plein air sessions with different art masters per week. This activities not only train beginners but develop a fellowship as well among the art community.

[@nanan8992]

I was just gonna comment na sana may ganto sa Pinas tapos nakita ko commemt nyo😭saan po kayo nakakasali sa mga ganyan? So far GP lang group na alam ko... Was an arts and design student sa senior high and sa 40 bata 2 lang kaming nagpipinta max na 5 nagdradrawing the rest andoon lang... No skill, no output... It was kinda disappointing wonder saan ako pwede makahanap ng community na talagang legit yung skills and passion

[@mannydeguzman7053]

@@nanan8992 depende sa lugar mo kung merong art group. Dito sa NCR particularly sa Manila at nearby provinces like Rizal and Laguna.madami. Merong Antipolo Thursday and Saturday Group of Artist. Sa Angono meron silang "Angono Atelier". Yun grupo ko dati sa Antipolo SIKAT group - Sining Kulay at Tinta pero disbanded na yun napalitan na ng "Artipolo Art Group" pero inactive member na ako dun. Yun pinakamalaki at pinakamatandang art group dito sa Pilipinas yun "AAP - Art Association of the Philippines" pero hindi ko alam kung tumatanggap sila ng mga newbie o student artists. The best option you have is to contact an art group in your area and undergo a workshop with them. Kapag natapos mo yun art class nila then you will be invited to join the group, attend their meetings and participate in their art exhibits, plein air session and other activities. Of course you need to be active with them to maintain your membership status. Tutulungan ka nila hanggang sa makapag solo exhibit ka na at maging professional artist. Pero yun bentahan ng artworks depende yan sa quality and style mo at kung meron tatangkilik sa'yo na art collector or dealer. Usually commission basis yan pag outside the gallery exhibit.

[@abhirati]

I wish all these continued even today I'd love to be a part of such a workshop

[@AashayChaukekar]

So the channel has started just 4 months ago. It's amazing to follow you from a point where it isn't that popular. This video is fantastic and I can hope for similar bangers in the future too

[@burningwitchstudio3629]

Without photography ruining the eye, they saw things different. A different expression.

[@GoreTheSummoner]

i'll tell you that apprenticeship is the most important thing and the thing im missing the most. You have no idea how hermit and closed the art environment is. If you are like me, a self tought who didnt go to any art schools and have no contacts from this group, you are basicly alone. You can go to some private schools but mostly the experience is not that good because they make money on you and you will never be treated as an apprentice would be. How i wish i would have a mentor who would share its knowledge and care for its student. Tell you what the only way is to publish on internet and hope, lol, that someone will discover you and contact you. But then you are fked by algorithms that just dont show your work to the peaople..

[@thederpydude2088]

Have you considered joining online art communities?

[@jocysatu1038]

4:01 I was surprised this painting has existed HAHAHAHAHA. That had me burst out laughing

[@XAVIERCUERVO]

All the time one needs for practice has been taken away by tablets and smart phones and before that by radio and tv , there was a time when artists would work on their craft 24/7 working diligently to improve their abilities, learning from mistakes, and striving for excellence and that time was the Renaissance

[@sabya_m]

Magnificent. Brilliant. Content. Wow!

[@SydVesper]

It makes me think of the way lot of mangaka create their manga, surrounded by young assistants who sometimes end up being masters too.

[@erikeriks]

I believe that the guild is on its way back tbh. Art is becoming increasingly more valuable to the general public, it'll be a matter of time before generations of artists walk around sharing their studies with the world.

[@misha_bloom]

Wow such an informative, eye opening video, it all makes so much sense!!! Dude the video itself is beautiful with all the paintings, and how you explained the whole process, made me look at art just like any other business, some sort of factory, profesional, collaborative environment, with some structure and plan. Before I kind of accepted the idea of a talented genius, who is born and just paints very well right away. Now I see it completely differently. Wow great work, you video is an art! thank you!!!

[@TheresaShuman]

Sounds a lot like the Law industry to me nowadays. How I wish this still exist, deeply appreciate the time and effort they put in learning Art!

[@heneedsloveoooh]

sobbing my eyes out cuz i wanna learn to draw like that for The Vampire Armand reasons

[@SRVaintme]

The apprentice-master dynamic seems similar to how someone like Hans Zimmer works.

[@Greg.Lacoste]

This was really good. I’d love to see this implemented in the church

[@SarahAndBoston]

Great video! I learned a lot, thanks.

[@MatthewTheWolf2029]

Amazing video. There is MUCH to be learned from history. That's for sure.

[@incognito3620]

The training of the “ Master” cannot happen today. It was arduous and painstaking. As an art teacher, many who come to me don’t want to go through the process of drawing from casts. Following a master teachers advice or understand painting skills take time and effort. Constant effort. Did I mention Time! Most don’t want to spend all that time learning. Instant results are wanted. They want the “ secrets”. This is why many go straight to abstract painting. No skill, no effort, no time and no talent. What child of nine or ten will devote his/ her life in an atelier to learning to paint? Their parents will invariably push them into sports. Or computer technology. There is no money in art. Which is the reason much art today is inferior third rate trash. So your answer is we are not equipped to be masters today. Few have the time, the will or desire to accomplish what it takes to be a great artist. And even if you become great, few are educated enough to appreciate what it is you do. This isn’t sour grapes. It is a fact of today’s rush, quick, now mentality. I fear the possibility of becoming a great artist is no more.

[@ARYAN-db8ho]

This channel is goldmine for artist

[@jojojo8835]

Paper was super expensive back then, so I’m convinced the apprentices started learning to draw on something temporary like slates/blackboards/wax tablets. Is there any documentary evidence of their basic training in draughtsmanship?

[@thepolymathmafia.]

Such a interesting video thanks for sharing ❤🔥

[@bobxbaker]

i would have loved this type of apprenticeship growing up.

[@Bob-Sacamano314]

Forget training sure that helps but these guys had respect for their crafts and the masters that came before them..they didn’t just pump out as much bullshit as fast as possible for money while totally disrespecting the ppl that came before them…. Could u imagine if todays artists took years and years to finish 1 painting or an album?

[@solomonrivers5639]

As a fan of “A Song of Ice and Fire” I don’t have to imagine. We’ve been waiting for around 12 years

[@skoruno1]

Sadly artists if Not extremely succesful need to work in a factory like manner to makes end meet.

[@deusex9731]

artists today still take huge amounts of time to finish art this big and realistic. We didnt magically make fine art faster, but there are more ways to create something with varying timings

[@Bob-Sacamano314]

@@deusex9731 right right id never expect someone to do a peice like that quickly just a generalization of ppl pumping out hot garbage to make a quick buck

[@gavinreid2741]

Artist workshops of the renaissance had the apprentice workers making multiple copies of successful works for mass consumption, particularly small domestic religious images.

[@Morethanwords-o2d]

Respect to those who created them

[@darkling-studios]

so copy others daily and use that to learn... got it

[@lifequotient]

Salvador Dali has some of my favorite works, because he clearly had the talent and respect for the process, but was simultaneously unhindered by expectations and let creativity run free

[@MaiOConnor-wf3xb]

I wish art was this valued now. I am an aspiring artist but I know I will have to work a 9-5 job the rest of my life because you can't make decent money from it unless you are very famous.

[@SamArt6607]

Sadly, this might sound corny as hell, but just keep working at it, you’ll make some amazing things, cool things, maybe one day, even if that day may be years away, you could do something with your art:)

[@rasmokey4]

20 looks at the subject and one look aat your drawing said my european art teacher!

[@chisathot750]

Why were they so good?: They started early in their childhood and got taught by art masters themselves

[@OP_SB]

I appreciate the time you took to make this. Thank you. 🙏

[@menoyuno8430]

AI ain’t got nothing on real art.

[@podhoubishit]

this all could be an analogy for 2016 soundcloudrap

[@jomanthekiller]

So college try's to replicate this but fails to do so in most cases with art programs. Every time I step into a studio we are all very anti social and uncollaborative. I think more about if I become a better artist and go to teaching I want to teach artist to work together to learn I feel like it would make the process go by much faster.

[@mikesamovarov4054]

Art lessons are free now, teaching art won't allow you to earn much. But you can make art skills upgrade to learn something practical, like graphic design or architecture, so you could earn a living.

[@CapturedByKen]

I had the opposite experience during my art classes at Uni … everyone was so friendly and social, always helping each other and giving critiques …laughing with the professor and everything. We had our more serious moments as well but it was overall awesome

[@rynsart]

@@mikesamovarov4054 exactly, you don't necessarily need classes to learn art now. you can just go online, find some good videos, take their advice, start practicing and try doing studies of photos you found online to develop your skills. That's what I've been doing for the past 4 years, I've also went to college and did a few courses but the at home work I did in my free time was more beneficial then the courses i took. Luckily i didn't have to pay for them tho

[@TheAlison1456]

Isn't that true for everything today, besides art study programs? The social collaborative part has moved elsewhere.

[@HkFinn83]

A lot of the great artists were apprenticed as young children. Imagine now, trying to become a great musician but you start learning when you’re 18/19. It’s impossible to catch up with people who start young.

[@parisasun2541]

I am an artist: I m subscribing. Just discovered your channel.😊

[@Braxtonhawkins]

Since the advent of photography portraiture and realism has died in modern art, but tattooing has created a mini realism renaissance. Once again there is demand for portraiture and realism artists. We stand on the shoulder of giants, barely holding a candle to their abilities and intuitions.

[@SquidShield]

Photography had an impact, but it wasn't the only thing. Modernists had completely different philosophical views than traditional artists, specifically materialism. This is summed up in the famous, "form follows function," viewing beauty as a mere human construct. The masters of the renaissance viewed beauty as a transcendent part of our universe.

[@aryldeiparine]

Realism didn't die because photography. There is still many artist who made realism even there is photography.

[@PamelaTitterington]

Just come across your channel and its great,it opens up many ideas ,and how people see different aspects,i find this channel interesting and instructive i personally think,that there is room for many forms of art, and each to his own ,i also think its good for health, like many art forms of are,👍🏻🎨🌹

[@nicklegend4547]

Very good watch, and informative! Thank you 🎉

[@nonebc]

having high IQ or innate talent are weird things to focus on for what makes an artist. The less collective structures of the modern working world leave traditional fine arts undervalued and more reliant on passion instead of training. While dedication is definitely the most important building block of becoming a great artist we shouldn't ignore the immense level of support and community it took to foster the artists we revere from history

[@GreenLeafUponTheSky]

I mean high IQ and creativity make for a better artist. They are the ones who are capable of making excellent art while being mostly self taught. Improving and learning requires trial and error. Able to spot exactly what went wrong and many ways to improve. Study real-life, etc.

[@MicaFarrierRheayan]

They have the motivations to do that. Apprenticeship is part of it; but also the commissioners

[@labeller2182]

i want to do painting so bad :((

[@snoteleks9955]

You can still do it. I would first look into the process to study it then find artists of styles you love. After that buy the paints and supplies.

[@arcadia-art]

Thank you for the exciting insights!

[@Peacechild1]

I like that Korean paint splashing girl more

[@gideonros2705]

Naah, the guy who taped a banana to the wall now that’s an artist.

[@Peacechild1]

@@gideonros2705 well ofcourse, but paintings

[@pedrosaintsaenz]

4:00 that painting has some very strong meme potential

[@xtanpx]

For anyone wanting to know how the art guilds, apprenticeship worked, I'd recommend reading Manga named "Arte". Its a masterpiece on its own but most importantly shows the beauty of Renaissance artists.

[@rrevh12345]

Or you could read a book instead of learning from an anime

[@hellogoodbye4402]

​@@rrevh12345so many words, so little time

[@dearest.ymeri1892]

This is such an interesting thing to learn about and I dare say life-changing. I'm no artist and other than merely admiring other's talent on display, I have any drive to create something of my own in the arts whatsoever. However, I do like to write above all things. The idea of this apprenticeship system is fascinating to me because it speaks of the dedication, passion, humility, mastery, even obsession to be able to master something. For some, it takes a lifetime. It inspires me to hone my craft in my own field of interest. Thank you for this video. I also wonder why the same, realistic art styles are no longer relevant to day. The invention of photographs and the rise post-modernism (an art style I admit I hate with a burning passion. I'm sorry) certainly has something to do with it but what a shame! They were beautiful.

[@daemon1143]

However they were trained, you can be sure it didn't involve being told that they could throw any jumble of crap together, or spatter a canvas with any old rubbish, and tell the public it had meaning so pay for it.

[@АнастасіяСташук-е7ш]

Artists were talented. Their drawing are frank and very interesting for my ayes

[@mono4171]

4:02 OMG GUYS JESUS SPOTTED???!

[@arx48]

and now art is taken for granted.

[@An_odd_X]

I'm gonna be honest, the thing that turns me off about the mindset of many industry artists is how "career driven" they come across at times. As a selftaught artist myself, just listening to talks like that makes art seem a little less fun, less free, less creative to me. As if art was just like maths, all you have to do is to learn the foundations by practicing so very hard in order to solve more difficult equations. But really, that's mostly where their suggestions stop. Besides the reminder that something like talent does not exist. It has been said before, but it's just worth to remember that art has evolved beyond classicism and renaissance for a reason. Yes, learn the foundations, that's how you get started, especially when trying to make it in the industry. But is this the safe and sure way to become a good artist? An excellent one perhaps? I don't think so. They usually deny it, but it's true. It does take something other than endless practicing and studying anatomy in and outwards to achieve this. Something different than just being great at every type of classical drawing exercises. Something that cannot quite be explained with words, nor rules, nor logic. It's not necessarily talent, but it's that little something that, I think, is the most valuable thing to have when it comes to making art. And that little something you cannot learn.

[@GlitchedBlox]

I'll sign up just for the "referencing poses" part.

[@tennoio1392]

It seems to me, important part was not how they were trained, but the way art was judged. There was no subjectivism and ridiculous abstract shapes on the canvas that are presented as art today. Difference is in esthetics, in ideas of people of that time. And even better was art and ideas of later time of enlightenment. This is why today's artists look at the past for inspiration instead of being even greater artists with all the new technology we have. Ideas shape society~

[@augustlovesjosh]

very collaborative and depends on community. stark contrast to the individualist bootstrap approach artists are pushed into by our economy and society today

[@OctopusContrapunctus]

I like the video quite a lot and i would love to hear more about the process. the ony thing I dont really like is how it celebrates this kind of exploitation of labor. And in the circumstances of today you could say the apprentices get limited and indoctrinated into the style of their masters. I think thats the main reason also why the art histories development was so slow. I think in the first part of the 20th century they did a better version, with the Bauhaus, a more comunal and free. Sorry for the rant. I hope i dindt bother anyone. Have great day.

[@antoniolima1068]

revise your values before making this kind of statment, laxation is what is getting modern societies in problems, even worse, letting emotional reasoning amok and redefining meaning of crucial human endeavours.

[@OctopusContrapunctus]

@@antoniolima1068 bruh

[@antoniolima1068]

@@OctopusContrapunctus bruh what?? it is crucial in formation years to have a good teacher, want to revise history based on modern moral compass? this people here proud of their effort, do not project modern values into them, recognize their struggle and celebrate. it seems you bothered me or i simply have enough time out of historic slavery and exploitation to waist in here. oh... by the way, full time artist here.

[@OctopusContrapunctus]

@@antoniolima1068 firstly, chill: i just made an observation, and my point wad not to make you this aggressive. Secondly, i am not Critiquing the fact of having a masters. I'm critiquing the way the workshop functioned. And why not project moral values into the past? Why is it wrong? Of course I don't mean: "they were stupid for doing this" I meant that current methods of education are way better and give more freedom. To summorize before you learned a craft, now you learn a form of expression. Thirdly, by the way full time octopus here

[@antoniolima1068]

@@OctopusContrapunctus no need to tell me you have no spine, it is glaring modern woke revisionism narrative, current methods of education are a fraud, are you oblivious? does education debt have any meaning to you?

[@wafflefries9153]

I saw this great anime called Arte on Funimation and I can’t believe how accurate most of this is! Obviously not all of it it’s still an anime after all but still😞!

[@octobersandwich6209]

That's awesome! I haven't seen Arte myself, but hearing it aligns with the video about Renaissance training makes me even more curious

[@rickrandom6734]

Artists of Middle Ages were producing comically bad looking art. Then suddenly their apprentices started to make masterpieces. Go figure...

[@dylansearcy3966]

You can find really good art from the middle ages

[@umcaraqualquer3640]

Because these Middle Age artists were mostly forced into drawing that bullshit lol

[@lorenzo_renga]

The main reason is philosophical and scientific rather than artistic per se. In Italy during the renaissance, artists were financed by the "lords," who granted more freedom, their only purpose, was not to spread the message of christ but to appear as the best. italy consisted of a multitude of city-states, very rich and powerful, competing with each other. Free market if you will. From a practical point of view, on the other hand, the scientific approach to art made it possible to translate, through very precise mathematical formulas, the inputs that the human eye receives into signs and lines on a sheet of paper. Recall that the invention of perspective is by Alberti and Brunelleschi, and that they are also the inventors of the first "camera," artists exploited it to copy landscapes and people back to the paper. There are other reasons of course but this I think are the most significant.

[@scarecrowjones1]

This is so interesting 😊thanks for posting

[@AndresMartinez-dw5sn]

Art was even more of a luxury back then because only the rich actually experienced the renisance.

[@bmona7550]

Not really. Craftsmen (wood carvers, carpenters, house makers, hat/shoe makers, ect.) were technically the local artists for the commoners and also the rich (if talented enough). The standard of items/structures back in the days emphasized art more than items/structures we have today (more industrial made, practical, basic). Things were made to last and with artistic taste. So if the wealthy has artists that evolved art and culture obviously the craftsmen affected by that trade would apply a similar environment to meet the demands for the common people who would want to emulate the items and structures that the rich and wealthy have. Basically even the common person experienced the artistic movement because craftsmen being in the art trade would also be influenced by artists to some degree. It is more of a luxury now because now it is more expensive to pay a professional craftsman to make your shoes or an artist to draw you a street portrait by hand. Back then? Nah it was less expensive and quite common (no machine made stuff yet).

[@gabrielaribeiro6155]

That's exactly what I was thinking. At 1:37 it is stated that "now we see fine art as a luxury" and that back then "art was something society required and utilized" - fine art was and is to this day a luxury. The only fine art the common people (the overwhelming majority of the population) had access to was the one in churches. Common people in europe had barely any belongings compared to today, much less art pieces.

[@mikesamovarov4054]

Yes. Art is now wide spread and an awesome hobby to gazzilions of people, it's extremely accessible and democratic. However art is dead as a business, because there are too many offers and no demand. Art is an easy and affordable hobby now, but that's it.

[@JoshuaShipton-g7j]

The people of that time were studying creation.... they were interested in the higher self. The inner was important. Today, people are in love with an empty image of themselves

[@94462]

Always two there are lol 😂 A master and an apprentice….