ARYAN INVASION - UNDONE BY GENETICS || Ashish Kulkarni

Ashish Kulkarni is one of the foremost population genetics modelling experts who deals primarily with the Aryan Invasion-Migration Theory. In today's episode we go through his blog posts about ancestry and migration across the world, how they match up with the flow of proto-Indo-European languages. Please go through the blogs mentioned during this video below:
a-genetics.blo...
a-genetics.blo...
a-genetics.blo...

[@Trinath_Narayan]

According to Shrikant Talgeris book The Rigveda and Avesta final evidence in which he has shown words from the hymn which is found in new Rigveda are similar to the words from Mitanni records of words and kings name and same to the oldest avestan Gaatha.there are presentations of him in KZbin on carvaka podcast for linguistic case. Plz analayse

[@consequence9063]

Celts druids (druhyus) : worshippers of river goddess danu , who is mother of vritra .... They also have the same seal from indus valley , the horned deity ... Mitanni ( mitrani ) : worshippers of mitra dev ... driven out from india ...

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

Abhijit Chavda fan😂

[@brownvoltaire2722]

Where did the R1 Y-haplogroup came from ?

[@kanhaibhatt913]

Modern R1* samples have been found in the Himalayas by Dr. Rakesh Tamang. Its most likely Indian. Those samples arent out yet.

[@slavman1945]

Underrated Content

[@gravewalker34]

बहुत बढ़िया आशीष भाई

[@consequence9063]

indus valley script is sanskrit ... Period .. Soma , indra and other vedic gods were worshipped in indus valley long before these mitanni(mitrani , worshippers of mitra) people ... Vedic culture continues ... Every migration is mentioned in our religious texts ... Even in puranas ...

[@dharmrakshak6735]

Also beef consumption

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@dharmrakshak6735 Show us the proof.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Written language is Vedic Sanskrit . But spoken language is Prakrit. Sanskrit could mean Classical sanskrit also. So we need to be more precise. I have studied Indus script and also studied Vedic Sanskrit carefully.

[@consequence9063]

@@dharmrakshak6735 But i was discussing about indus valley script and vedic gods in context of aryan migration ... What's this nonsense you're talking about ?

[@consequence9063]

@@ranapratapsingh3416 ivc script is very close to panini sanskrit ...

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

By the way this is a great presentation.

[@s.b626]

What is he saying. I believe R1a actually has more diversity in india and among some populations it is higher than even those found in Europe. Why is he claiming this gene was not evolved in India?

[@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg]

R1a was common in south asia as well as central asia . It is its further diversification as R1a1 that got formed in central asia and migrated to india !

[@s.b626]

Konraad Elst gave an interesting point. It is possible that the people who adopted Sanskrit did not invade but simply were influenced by Indians. They then took this culture and language as they migrated. Its similar to the spread of the Indian number system. The Arabs took it to Europe. The Europeans mislabeled it Arabic number system. Genetics will not answer this question. Look for groups that interacted with IVC and see how thry spread or even invaded and carried Indian cultures. You arent looking for Indian genes in Europe. You are looking for a route for Indian excellence to have spread by others who themselves either intermarried, traded or simply adopted IVC culture and technology

[@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg]

You mean out of india idea ? It is senseless with genetics !

[@PavaniGanga]

Thanks AGAIN for further exposition! Keenly appreciated,

[@sharmavarunadmo]

I have observed that the most of Indian research articles perform admixture without performing balanced stats or can say balanced Q values ....another perspective I have personally observed that there were nine ancestral component forming Indian ancestry

[@TropicOfCancer1998]

Did harappans had contact with BMAC before Steppe contacted BMAC?

[@ladagspa2008]

Yes. Ivc migrant skeletons were buried at BMAC (Gonur) before Sintashta steppe culture even formed. Plus, lots of trade. Shortugai was an IVC trading outpost very close to BMAC.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

There is no such thing as Indo-Iranian languages. Iranain Avestan language = Vedic Sanskrit + Elamite .

[@ladagspa2008]

This is difficult to prove, linguistic science does not believe so, although I'm not a linguist so can't comment further.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

Rubbish

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

People of BMAC ( Oxus Civilization ) are mainly Iranian and Harappan mix. BMAC is heavily influenced by the influx of Vedic speaking harappan people and Elamite speaking Iranian language.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@ramboram03 Did you check the DNA of BMAC people ?.

[@ladagspa2008]

Bmac only has skeletons of few IVC migrants. Other skeletons of the local BMAC people did not show IVC ancestry.

[@podaran]

BMAC outlier sites had a handful of samples which contained IVC genetic lineage, different from the majority BMAC lineage and hence thought to be migrants from IVC and so called IVC periphery cline. This is further supported by similarity of IVC Cline to the Rakhigarhi sample. So, BMAC lineage is very distinct from IVC. And Harappan people weren't vedic speaking.

[@ImmortalKshatriya]

Dude what’s the proof that R1a originated in steppe and not in India itself and went to the steppe?

[@apoorvbansal5956]

Most evidence is from Indian region, high amount of remains found of r1a origin in India ,samples were analysed and then concluded, this is as far as i know

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

​@@apoorvbansal5956 nonsense

[@apoorvbansal5956]

@@andreamessiasgomes7118 i guess you can say that but for that you should also read research papers and the research which has been done otherwise what's the point really? Same applies for me.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

@@apoorvbansal5956 I have read that's why am telling you 😑.

[@nikkeipvck8529]

Is the host south african? Cuz I think her accent sounds like it. Im not making fun. Genuinely wondering. BDW great enlightening discussion. Host did a good job is asking all the relevant questions to Ashish sir

[@MrAmit0123]

American history shows west settlers 49ers came from trains either rail or horse/ox. Imaginary steps horses doing anything is not possible. Also silk route beast of burden was camel that why name of Zarathushtra have some relation

[@locomotive43]

the audio quality of the host is worst than the guest..totally not acceptable..use a cheap wired earphone and the audio will sound less robotic and noise

[@jjs90]

If you are so much concerned, place a prepaid order for good quality noise cancellation ear phone

[@theybecameus]

@@jjs90 r u the host. why so butthurt

[@s.b626]

Thank you. I can barely understand anything

[@user-dy7qy9iy8f]

The title is a little misleading. Basically Mr. Kulkarni only seems to be against the steppe hypothesis. He doesn't say anything more in a clear manner. Also, I think he has his biases. He is sure that R is of Siberian origin, but nobody can say that with such confidence. Infact, we can never say the exact origin of a mutation or haplogroup with logical certainty. What we can do is look at the geographic distribution of frequencies and variations of a haplogroup and make probabilistic inferences or educated guesses. And I find it unlikely that R originated in Siberia. It's hard to say exactly where R arose - but it cannot be too far away from India because of 2 reasons. Firstly, because one of its descendants R2 is found almost exclusively in the Indian subcontinent. Secondly, because its direct ancestor P1 is found in significant amounts in 2 relatively isolate groups - Tuvan people and Great Andamanese people. Both of these groups are actually not that far away from mainland India, but in opposite directions. Andaman today is part of India and is to the direct south of easternmost parts of mainland India(pretty close to it). Tuva is close to Kazakhstan-China border(so not too far) and to the direct north of easternmost parts of mainland India. This suggests that eastern India could be could be a good candidate for the origin of P1. Many geneticists completely overlook the Andamanese P1 and give a much northern place as likely origin. Now the question is where did R arise? Only 2 cases of pure R has beeen observed. One from a man in Kyrgyzstan and 1 from a fossil in Siberia. Of these 2, Kyrgystan is pretty close to India. In fact, to go from northernmost India to Kyrgystan, you will only need to walk through a few hundred kilometers of Xinjiang(China occupied) territory. My guess is that the R either arose possibly even in northernmost India or in areas like Tajikistan or Kyrgystan which are very close to India. Because R2 is exclusively Indian. So R cannot be too far away. The Siberian fossil is most likely a case of outward migration. The next question is where did R1 originate? So we try to look its descendants R1a and R1b. R1b is all over the place (including some amount in India) and so it is hard to apply, but according to recent studies of Neeraj Rai and Gyaneshwar Choubey (and even some earlier studies)- the oldest variants of R1a are clearly of Indian origin. And therefore, R1 likely originated in either in India itself or very close to india like Tajikistan, Afghanistan etc.

[@ladagspa2008]

Siberia and central Asia has both Q and R, which formed from P1. India hardly has Q, whatever we have came from the north. R* already found in Malta boy from 25kya. It's because of Q that we can say that P mutated into Q in Siberia. If that is so, likely that R mutated in that region.

[@acaydia2982]

We have found WHG with R1b, which is shocking.

[@acaydia2982]

@@ladagspa2008 What’s confusing is that R isn’t supposed to be that only. I’m trying to make sense of some WHG already having R1b.

[@joydeeproy1580]

i hope you are aware inter caste marriage was strictly prohibhited only from guptas in 400 ad. also isnt it true that tamil and sanskrit have common root language ? no comments about sinauli graves ?

[@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg]

What coomon root for tamil and sanskrit ?

[@antoniotorcoli5740]

David Reich's works solved the mistery

[@kanhaibhatt913]

No, they coped by showing half baked models as fact. The fact is that steppe ancestry didnt exist in India before 800BCE.

[@tb795]

What's up with Sagorika's audio/accent? Sorry, but it's annoying!

[@tysonesh898]

i spent 20 min watching this and you have not shown me anything to prove your title ... try watching robert sephneir

[@keeya_ks]

Why when she is follows pseudoscience like graham Hancock

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@ashish Kulkarani we have evidence from IVC seals that some Uralic people were visiting IVC. This is how R1a-L567 may have entered India. I can get you the seal number and the details.

[@ladagspa2008]

L657 is not found in Uralic people (ancient or modern), so that's very unlikely.

[@ImmortalKshatriya]

Uralic people genicially and linguistically did not visit IVC, but the reserve is proven if Indians influencing Uralic

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@ImmortalKshatriya I don't understand what you are saying . We have seals showing foreigners visiting IVC.

[@ImmortalKshatriya]

@@ranapratapsingh3416 you have seals showing Uralic visitors 😂 yes please share the seal number and the article that is interpreting the IVC so the world can know of this awesome decipherment

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@ImmortalKshatriya Hello over action master. Did you read my comment carefully ?. I said foreigners not Uralic.

[@gigilolo4660]

Still doesn't disprove the fact that Prithvi Raj Chauhan was a Gujjar

[@utkarshpandey5699]

Contact Dr. Niraj Rai - a scientist at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow, INDIA. He is a geneticist specializes in Aryan Invasion/Migration theory.

[@utkarshpandey5699]

@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Yes. He can explain the technical concept more lucidly.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

​@@utkarshpandey5699 he's a fraud 😅

[@utkarshpandey5699]

@@andreamessiasgomes7118 Undestanding genetics requires intellect. Leave it, that's beyond your comprehension.

[@ImmortalKshatriya]

This presented Ashish is a poor spokesperson, he is extremely apologetic and while he might be aware of the facts and how the AIT/M is flawed, his ability to drive the point confidently is awful and lacking clarity in his own mind in his communication skills

[@human8454]

What evidence do u guys have that they moved into Bharat none. archeaglogical record show that there is no foregin culture or different kind of pottery in ivc sites.same culture Contiunity by archeaglogical evidences.oldest language is vedic sanskrit.there is zero evidence of pie language only just made up reconstruct from vedic sanskrit and eu languages.

[@aquestioningmind]

Perhaps you missed the point. Much of the argument is that the evidence already existed in Bharat. It would help if you watched the entire episode. Thanks for tuning in!

[@dineshsharma6125]

You should have decided this into multiple parts

[@aquestioningmind]

Will be putting out smaller edits soon! It's really hard to break up the research with complete context, though, so working on it!

[@dineshsharma6125]

Sorry, I meant divided into timestamps. It becomes easier to follow the video when you don't watch it in one go.

[@vats_chauhan]

Prior to Mittani gods in Syria Ashur God was worshipped there. Ashuria became Assyria now Syria.

[@shadowhymn5162]

fake accent

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Atleast she is studying ancient India with a fake accent🤣

[@dineshsharma6125]

Doesn't matter to be honest.

[@jjs90]

No one requires your approval for accent. We are eager to listen to your english accent. Can share your blogs link here. We can also get to know how your accent is

[@nikkeipvck8529]

THE profile u have is of a FAKE SOCIAL JUSTICE LEADER, THAT NEVER WON AN ELECTION

[@owenvaughn9613]

💔 Promo-SM