As Trump gains momentum, Europe braces for a future without its most powerful ally I DW News

The so-called Super-Tuesday has made a November re-match between Donald Trump and Joe Biden almost inevitable. Voters cast ballots in 16 states and one overseas territory. With no substantial opposition in his Democratic Party, Biden's string of victories was a virtual certainty. Trump's wins helped cement his overwhelming dominance over his one remaining Republican challenger.
With another set of Trump primary victories, the likelihood of a second Donald Trump presidency looms large. That's made European leaders nervous - and vigilant. The possibility of a return to an 'America first' policy in Washington and even the lack of support for NATO has forced officials on the continent to prep for a future without their most powerful ally.
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[@pollutingpenguin2146]

Europe should never have been reliant on the USA for anything. Europe should be able to stand on its own, the fact that we can't is embarrassing. We should be energy independent and able to defend ourselves.

[@AverageJoe483]

Can we get our Marshall plan money back ?

[@saba1030]

​@@AverageJoe483 Will USA pull out of all of its about 850ish military bases, it had installed all over the world? 😎

[@Wolfcamp555]

Would you prefer Chinese bases instead? ​@@saba1030

[@ommietheman7894]

Considering us ended 2 world wars in europe, sure

[@saba1030]

@@ommietheman7894 ... and started so many wars all over the world afterwords...

[@chdv5736]

How pathetic is it for an entire continent to be dependent on one country

[@lwwells]

It’s tough for those EU countries to get anything done with their 35 days of vacation.

[@The_Stef]

@@lwwells Quote: "It’s tough for those EU countries to get anything done with their 35 days of vacation." Lol, that has nothing to do with it whatsoever

[@jirikrajnak9047]

that's what happens when that country in question has exploited and amassed most of the world's wealth.

[@lwwells]

@@The_Stef Yes. Yes it does. The EU is dependent on others because the EU does not work. I still cannot believe how lazy people are here.

[@user-tz2ch1im3r]

how pathetic it is for America to shaft there own friends, Australia and Japan should join with China instead and take over GUAM in 2028 they have the capability to do that together... why be friends with the US when they are not loyal to you

[@anettesandgren3338]

For God sake, let us in Europe take care of our own business, the EU have to step up and not depending on USA!

[@AbhishekSingh-jf7co]

ramaswamy 2028 🎉🎉🎉

[@aubreysun3377]

Not depend on, actually it's rip off!

[@mrgoob76]

no what it shows about how much a failure the western soviet union 2.0... I MEAN the EU is .and that the EU needs to be disbanded and each country in europe needs to become its own country again to take care of their own business. THATS what needs to happen...

[@mujur9101]

A little too late. No much option left, just follow whatever the White House want EU to do. EU already lost the cheap energy supplier Russia. In progress losing another cheap product supplier and Big Consumer market China. EU is more dependent and reliance on US today comparing to 4 years ago. EU has lost all the bargaining chips against White House. 🤷🤷🤷

[@IsItEvenWorthIt]

Yes build your own military and try maintaining it and dealing with becoming an opponent to the US

[@ratuls21]

The real question should be : Why Europe is afraid of spending 2% ?

[@Boomerrage32]

It may be necessary to spend that much for a few years and then take the foot off the gas. Or we could fund all of this by selling bonds. Let the factories spring up all over the continent.

[@dano9008]

Let's try to get them all to at least 2% first. That is the NATO commitment that is seldom met.

[@stefanschleps8758]

Social welfare programs that are unthinkable in the USA are common place in the EU.

[@williamwatitwa3534]

do they need to spend 4 %? china doesnt and its quite secure and safe , north Korea doesn't , unless you are planning to police the world nuclear deterrence and securing your borders isnt such a huge task

[@edvinbukvic9564]

They are afraid of loosing voters, 4% means less money on welfare and infrastructure and so on,, as soon as comfortable Europeans notices that their living standards has declined they will vote for opposition.

[@hilltopintegratedfarm1693]

Time for EU to grow up.

[@MsLUFC]

You cannot just adjust over night, we had a deal in place. Trump is not very bright is he, he is egging on a conflict, by creating a power vaccuum. Europe needs 5 to 7 years to build a military industry, or else there is a big potential for a clash in easter europe.

[@ronnie917]

There needs to be a security guarentee as Europe adjusts and produces their own weapons, the next 5 to 7 years. You cannot change the NATO deal over night without creating a power vaccuum for a clash with Russia in easter europe

[@hoolio5659]

The EU? You mean Europe right?

[@amadeuz819]

Someone again that doesn't know the difference between Europe and EU... Do they even know that many weapons are just produced in USA because of agreements, like the brains behind em ain't american its a combined thing. So hope they can afford to support their own industry when the money from Europe stops because we can't place our security on "depending on who sits in office".

[@MsLUFC]

Europe needs time to adjust, or else it will create a power vaccum that can lead to a clash. Americans have gone mad

[@varpen]

American companies kept lobbying in the EU to sell their weapons and aircrafts, so it is one more plus for us gearing towards EU-made weapons and military. We will spend less money paying the US for their equipment and we'll produce our own.

[@Dam-a-fence]

I've been lobbying for the non voter to be included for decades, People don't listen. This tells me they wanted those aircraft and weapons anyway.

[@Wolfcamp555]

Yes, by increasing your taxes, printing more money and cutting your healthcare and social programs, you can build up your military.

[@nekkobarrina8760]

@@Wolfcamp555 🤣🤣

[@nekkobarrina8760]

but without US technology your defence is much much less capable

[@ismaeldiaz9045]

@@nekkobarrina8760this is not true EU is on par with us when it comes to technology,but yes both are dependent on each other us weapons use a lot of EU Componentes

[@maratym]

It’s interesting how for many years lots of people in Europe criticized US for spending so much money on army and not on healthcare, education, etc. While at the same time expecting US to always protect them militarily

[@gumegoz2012]

Exactly! We need Trump and more like him! Stop helping other ungratefull countries, U.S pays more than 70% of NATO.. it is not fair. If you go to europe and mention that you are "american" they hate us.. France, germany, etc

[@Bthdk]

Exactly! That's something that make Europe to be hypocrite. If it wasn't because of Democrats are in deep pocket of the war industry here in USA, would any European country come to aid Ukraine as much as the Democrats? Absolutely not. Germany refused to send tanks until pressured by Biden to do so.

[@deluxecapprian983]

Actually you"re wrong when you produce weapons in your own country you can save ten to 20 times money to the budget.Because thats the weapon they sell to any western country .Here its an example one ipad apple pro cost production its between 50 to 200 pounds and they sell it between 700 to 2000 pounds .

[@BohdanMelnychuk]

The US spends plenty on healthcare. But the system is broken.

[@Bthdk]

@@BohdanMelnychuk well yes considering there are tons of illegals here that suck up so much resources. The system was sufficient when the people who benefit from it pay greatly into it. Look at how European countries stopped immigration just now after realizing how much problems are caused as well as resources are being sucked away for illegal immigrations. Look at Germany

[@vijaydavid773]

I wonder whether Europe puts America first???no one will .so why getting upset because of American leader aspiring for America first policies??🤔🤔

[@ddshiranui]

Up until recently, it was a partnership where both sides benefited for the common good. Trump's way of making deals (or rather trying to) is based on ripping off the other as best as possible, just like his companies did with US taxpayers. Needless to say, that kind of diplomacy just doesn't fly with allies.

[@romanr.4821]

Because strength comes only with cooperation

[@vilmathomas5158]

perhaps disband EU so ursula would lose her job.

[@Hungabrigoo]

But funnily enough they do. Hence the support for this war that is horrible for Europe and only the US benefits from it.

[@Iris-hx6ox]

@@vilmathomas5158The EU has become very powerful in coming together. Are you so afraid of its success that you would wish it harm? Some ally you are.

[@imaginedmountains2311]

It's about time Europe stops depending on the USA

[@rose-marievanduyse4905]

And so it will be❤ Europe will be on its own after decades and decades , Europe stop paying2% of taxes for continuing wars and wars for the elite.

[@spacegerrit9499]

Don't worry - you might get exactly what you wish for.

[@artiefakt4402]

The only time article 5 has been triggered was in US' favor... and it definitely didn't benefit Europe !

[@dilucragnvindr130]

As an American, I agree! Europe is warned for years of dealing with Russia on oil and gas dependency. We don't want to get caught in a war that could've been easily avoided years ago. We are tired of our own leaders wasting our money worth trillions of dollars on foreign soil.

[@rouz0]

Sorry, but Europe no more has its colonies to pay for both people's welfare and expanding military. So the only way for them is to make peace with Russia before it is too late

[@melvinegberts2347]

I strongly disagree with the tendency portrayed here. If europe steps up his own game there is no reasons to be afraid. We benefitted from not spending enough on defense.

[@williamanderson4029]

Exactly, you spent on social welfare while the US provided security and we shorted our social welfare programs. That is OVER!

[@melvinegberts2347]

@@williamanderson4029 totally agree...

[@hoolio5659]

@@williamanderson4029European countries overall spending half a percent more on defence wont destroy our social programs the same way not having to spend 2% on defence would ever prevent any country from having social welfare. Youre being ridiculously illogical

[@ronnie5329]

2% is not much of the GDP, at the same time we were dragged in to wars that were not ours in the middle east. And had a huge migration from it that is largely unwanted. how exactly did we benefit?

[@ronnie5329]

You think 2% is enough to build social welfare programs? Those things are not connected, that is just the system that you have created producing the out come. Doesnt matter how much money you pour in to it.@@williamanderson4029

[@eyeofthetiger7]

Europe needs to be independent. Militarily, energy, economically. Europe will never be this weak and vulnerable again.

[@gggmmmxspace]

Questo significa… andare contro gli Stati Uniti… vuoi dirglielo tu?

[@FranzMullerxX]

United States of Europe

[@lg5819]

@@FranzMullerxX 👍 🇮🇪 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 🇵🇹 🇪🇸 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 🇩🇪 🇮🇹 🇸🇪 🇳🇴 🇬🇷 🇵🇱 🇱🇹 👎 🇪🇺 Europe is NOT a country.

[@gggmmmxspace]

@@lg5819 It’s a Club

[@Dragon-mv6vy]

@@lg5819 It's no, so wasn't the Roman empire, but still it was good.

[@FlorinSutu]

For decades, most European members of NATO did not pay the required contribution of 2 percent of their GDP. When Trump was president, Germany paid for NATO 1.3 percent of their GDP. That was the reason of Trump's anger. This should be mentioned here, but what would you expect from DW ?

[@khsh99]

Nor even that , he didn't want their money . TRUMP want them to spend it on their Army 😢 , in case one day NATO members needed their support 🙄.

[@fynx8521]

Germany actually payed over 2% in 2023 before Trump said something. Inform yourself before talking

[@YobeOllipse]

@@fynx8521 ahem Ukraine-Russia War

[@FlorinSutu]

@@fynx8521 - - Quote from you: "Germany actually payed over 2% in 2023 before Trump said something." Who was president in 2023? In what years was Trump president, the same years when he was criticizing the Europeans for not paying what was required? The tragedy is that people like you have the right to vote.

[@fynx8521]

@@FlorinSutuI am gonna break your comment down a bit. 1. Biden was President in 2023 2. Yes Trump critizised europe before, but if you follow Politics then you would know that this Debate only recently startet because Trump only recently stated that under him America wont protect Nato Partners if they dont pay the 2%. 3. I dont know from what you can asume that I am an American citizen because I am not.

[@jotunheim5302]

Europe isn't alone. We have eachother.

[@gggmmmxspace]

Most Americans think differently…

[@vervetech9395]

Europe is like a child. Even India that's a developing country doesn't cry to some big country somewhere for protection.

[@hokavistark7671]

Yes,you have each other to wage war any time 😅

[@Mark-gd2ti]

​@@vervetech9395do you have any idea who founded nato in the first place? Yes when we will ally with China don't cry to us.... Edit: never heard of the belt and road initiative 😂😂😂 China would be extremely happy of such alliance anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't live in this planet.

[@vervetech9395]

@@Mark-gd2ti As if China wants an alliance with Europe 🤣

[@kriskalpa]

the EU should also have an EU first policy. promote EU interests within Europe. It is not surprising that he adopts a US first policy.

[@ravenarrow4631]

The EU though is not a country. It's an agreement. If one country feels it's pulling more weight, it will eventually leave the EU. It's up to each country to ensure that it is pulling it's fair share and unfortunately that never lasts forever as things always change.

[@Obankenobi]

EU already does. Look at EU import tariffs compared to the US. When a move is made to equalize tariffs its called a "trade war"

[@JohnCSmith-lp1qr]

Too late for that they lost cheap Russian energy and materials

[@tuuliajohannabbruno9212]

​@@JohnCSmith-lp1qr Trump wants to loose your sheap working force latin americans....how much you will pay for food and many other things when you don't have anymore underpaid latins.

[@michaelk4896]

Europe will never have a Europe-first policy, because every time one European country became "too powerful" and wanted to unite Europe, it was crushed by perfidious Albion and its spawn, the USA.

[@1Reddd]

Europe can afford the best services, public transit, free healthcare, all because they can rely on the US for defense instead of investing in their own military. So essentially the US tax payer is paying for Europe to have all of the benefits they should be receiving themselves.

[@tedcrilly46]

No thats wrong. 1.4 million active personnel in EU. 2 million reservists minimum. 300 million population advantage. 10x Russias economy. EU already collectively spends 3x Russias budget, while barely trying. Russia can't get past east Ukraine. Natos budget is fixed, costs are on individual basis. US pays what it pays regardless. If Germany pays more, US spend doesn't change, if Germany pays less, US spend doesn't change. As a Nato member US gets bases in Italy, Romania, etc. Bases from which US mid-east campaigns have been supported. We dont need US here, and personally I dont want you guys here. No more EU bases for American militaries, and no more listening to Americans. Hit the road.

[@mickqld3003]

I could say that Europe should've done more about its own security concerns. But I'm in Australia, where I think the same applies anyway. It would be interesting if we ever have military conscription here, which apart from likely being for no good & distant reason, would soon reveal just how unprepared we are. Mentally, and in most other ways. What pisses me off most, is pretending all is OK, right up until the hammer drops. Then stories can fly so thick & fast, any dumb reactions are justified.

[@VshapeDino]

You can recruit foreign legions like France and United Kingdom does.

[@user-tq2kq7xk7j]

@@VshapeDino The current Government in Australia seems to be reducing spending on defence, some is okay but the rest is not.nnn

[@rolandmaxwell2947]

European should work on their own self

[@stevehancock7925]

Trump may be crass, but is he wrong? Time for Europe to pick up more of the tab for its own security. The wolf is at the door, and outsourcing security was never a good plan.

[@vidzorko4492]

Trump doesn't want to stop supporting Europe because they need to be more self reliant. He wants to stop supporting Europe because he wants to maintain good ties with Putin and let him do whatever he wants. Russians will tell you this on their own television. You are supporting someone who will make your enemies stronger.

[@ddshiranui]

He's not necessarily wrong, he's just an opportunist twisting and omitting facts, such as that spending has been on the rise since 2014, and that the 2% goal only comes into force in September this year. More importantly, European defense spending last year was $350bn, compared to Russia's $100bn; how much more is actually needed to defend against one country that since two years has been struggling in Ukraine, and is projected to have lost 100% of its MBTs and IFVs by next year if their losses continue at the current rate? The most hypocritical is of course that Trump acts as if US defense spending would be much lower if the Euros would pull their weight, with more dollars left for American taxpayers, when it was his own party that kept pushing the US' military budget to its current ridiculously inflated level, more than twice above NATO's guideline due to the influence of the military-industrial budget. Famously, Congress kept buying tanks the Army didn't even want -- they just went straight to the depots. This is helping no-one but some General Dynamics execs and Republican politicians receiving "donations".

[@frankt.1391]

why he at the table with the wolf giving up european interests, money and land then?

[@arnodobler1096]

Even a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day. Drump just doesn't understand how NATO works and keeps talking about the bills that the members don't want to pay. Nuts. 🤪 There is also a NATO budget, but Germany pays in just as much as the USA, i.e. 4 times more per capita.

[@leonardoorellano6652]

hmm there are several flaws and errors in your chain of thought.. the patent one is comparing $350b to $100B. That is a first of all a fiat currency .. not really relevant to war. Russia has a nuclear arsenal bigger than all NATO countries combined. An active army that is bigger than the US... the second part "has been struggling in Ukraine " there is only a crew of 600K or so russian soldiers there..The russian objective is to grind the ukrainians down (and Europeans).. trust my on this if they wanted to finish the war they would have blown of those 7 bridges that connects western and eastern part of ukraine..@@ddshiranui

[@riz1q2]

Every 100 days usa national debt increases by a $Trillion how that's even sustainable?

[@gaborrajnai6213]

They are printing money, thatshow.

[@gggmmmxspace]

Sono spendaccioni!

[@kraze5407]

Thats currently being hyper inflated due to our involvement in funding this Ukrianian war

[@Chr0n]

Do you really think our boomer leadership cares? In 5-10 years, they'll all be dead.

[@Axeminister]

Just pay your fair share Europe and everything will be fine

[@1Reddd]

Exactly, he’s saying pay your share and you won’t have anything to worry about. Which is what was agreed upon in the first place.

[@fuxkag3908]

Eh That rule is just a rough encouragment not a legal requirement per Nato Guidelines Also a Lot of EU nations pay their encouraged share its just a few developed ones arnet (Germany, Belgium) But usually those who arent paying are less developed Also If i Recall theres no "Paying" fair share Its just a encouragment of how much the EU should spend on their defense budget

[@fuxkag3908]

​@1Reddd They are paying thei4 fair share to NATO He's just trying to make it seem they aren't The 2% is how much they are encouraged to spend on their own defensive budget and its not a legal requirement Also spending on military is unecesarry in some countries (such as Luxembourg because it's tiny)

[@varpen]

In the long term, Trump winning is actually positive for Europe and the EU. Less dependency on the US and finally gearing towards a common EU army, something that the US themselves never wanted. So it might just turn perfectly for all of us, exactly thanks to Trump. Cheers!

[@jacobsmith7114]

I imagine the French will be the military power of Europe, as they seem to want to take charge and have historically been the continental power. Britain will continue to be a part of the Angloshpere, and I’d bet the Nordics likely won’t be a part of the greater Franko project. So I’d imagine a more divided Europe reverting back to historical trends

[@leonardoorellano6652]

yes and lets not forget that the US has a lot if legal influence in german military doctrine as they lost the war.@@jacobsmith7114

[@kurtwicklund8901]

Well we will never know because Trump has no chance of winning in Nov.

[@sueprator9314]

No its not!!! Trump will allow Putin do whatever he wants!!! Crazy?

[@sueprator9314]

@@kurtwicklund8901 THANK YOU!!!

[@VitoDepho]

Even if Trump loses this year, there could be an isolationist as US President in 2028 or 2036 or whenever. Time for Europe to stop deferring to the US as so-called leader of the West and do what it takes to stand on its own.

[@razorburn7745]

He’s 70+ and not exactly fit. You honestly believe he’ll make it that long?

[@VitoDepho]

@@razorburn7745 Trump's VP choice (relevant IF he wins) could be an isolationist too. As to, "2028 or 2036 or whenever", that's the possibility of a future President who most likely won't be Trump but be an isolationist like him. So, Europe has to be strong and stand up for itself henceforth, whether the Pres is a Dem or Rep or MAGA Rep or whatever the future holds.

[@_loss_]

@@razorburn7745 Ideas don't die like that

[@cinpeace353]

​@@razorburn7745Look at the number of supporters Trump has. There are politicians who want to grab those supporters and follow the same direction as Trump. You will still worry about the result every 4 years. US don't respect agreements when it conflicts to its own interest, especially when adminstration changed.

[@davidrink1291]

Do you understand what a mutually beneficial alliance is?

[@jmajors5946]

Europe has the economy and potential to finally become the democratic leader of the free world. As an American, I, with remorse, say, “Don’t trust us!” Build your own army, nuclear deterrence, world class navy, etc., and tell the US to shove it!

[@joebloggs6131]

Europe had it's time, even before the U.S. did, now it's time for the rise of Asia, undeniably - and no, I'm not Asian

[@jeffsterling2809]

@@joebloggs6131 China is developed now and facing a stalling economy. India is a Western ally. The world powers won't be shifting anytime soon.

[@PepeCoinMania]

Leader of wastes 😂😂😂😂

[@akattau]

​@@joebloggs6131The rise of Asia has nothing to do with the rerise of Europe.

[@appstratum9747]

I've no desire to tell our American friends to shove it. 😊 But it's with great regret we can't fully trust the US at this time. We have no choice but to do everything you've suggested militarily, however. I think that's a given.

[@brandonwhite9331]

Other countries put themselves first for generations, why shouldn’t the USA do the same?

[@alika5771]

What do you mean?

[@romanr.4821]

Because we only can survive through cooperation. nationalism brings only war and total distruction.

[@brandonwhite9331]

@@alika5771 for decades countries have relaxed their own military infrastructure so they could pay more into social services, if America didn’t have to patrol the world we wouldn’t have to pay so much towards other countries and build ourselves up. This country is falling apart and yet we’re still the ones paying out the wazoo to other countries and protecting them. It’s shenanigans.

[@alika5771]

@@brandonwhite9331 How much of the military spending do you want to cut off?

[@brandonwhite9331]

@@alika5771 I’d say in the current state of affairs 10%. Hold the pentagon accountable for the billions they misplaced, and start spending money wisely so we don’t have literally billions missing 🤷🏽‍♂️. Unfortunately we need to keep up spending until other countries take their own safety more seriously.

[@patricsswenzky3523]

Why didn't the DW correspondent ask a followup question to Biden supporters "Are you willing to vote for someone who forgets who their enemy is or forgets the nuclear codes"

[@WhiteSerpentine]

Or, flip it the other way, would you want to vote for someone who aspires to shape ur democracy to hold the same absolute power as your enemies

[@patricsswenzky3523]

@@WhiteSerpentine Why do you think president TRUMP demonstrate attempts to maintain power akin to our adversaries? Critiques like yours are influenced by biased media narratives. Your dislike for him may stem from personal feelings rather than objective assessment. Consider examining his America First policies for a more comprehensive perspective.

[@nbrader]

6:37 Ha she's eating crisps while they answer her question :D

[@bloggalot4718]

Europe needs to get its act together and strengthen its defences.

[@jamsbong]

Trump is already striking fear on people who are guilty of getting a free lunch. 😂

[@ddshiranui]

Those people need to take a long, hard look at how "dangerous" Russia actually is then

[@kurtwicklund8901]

Says the typical American who could not even name six NATO allies

[@tuuliajohannabbruno9212]

Actually is Trump who would like you to pay for him...prison is not a nice place to pass time

[@lt.scheisskopf3712]

​@kurtwicklund8901 Soon enough it will not matter if they can name one of the NATO vassal states or not, the US is broke and NATO is probably not long for this world as it currently exists.

[@hummingbird6427]

😂😂😂

[@davidgaston738]

this is what happens when we disarm thinking you can rely on allies its time to re arm after all the years of neglect to our defences

[@harveyhype]

The comfort zone is no longer comfortable

[@drnick40]

Europe needs to be left alone in order to mature and start building its own security structures. The times of the free lunch are over. A 450 million population and the world’s most powerful combined economy should be able to take care of itself.

[@grimaffiliations3671]

it can take care of itself. Nato is pefectly capable of stopping the Russian threat without America

[@dirunbekannt]

@@grimaffiliations3671 Without Americas nuclear weapons? Without their well equipped and well trained troops? Without their satellite systems? Especially without their funds? Complete nonsense. NATO without the US is worthless. Of course that needs to change. And it can! Europe has the undeniable potential to build a strong force and ward off military threats. But it finally needs to grow some balls and make use of that potential before someone takes advantage of our weakness again, like Russia did (more than once). In fact that should have happened years ago, at the very latest when Russia attacked Ukraine. But this is about the 10th of those so called „wakeup calls“ we‘ve had over the last couple years and nothing of substance has happened since. It‘s beyond pathetic and really makes you ashamed of being european.

[@HamburgerHelperDeath]

@@grimaffiliations3671 hahahaha

[@kingericson490]

Lets not forget about Canada needing to pay up too, they have no plans on getting to the NATO spending limit anytime and they have no plans to change either

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

This is a important shift onto politics, really nice to see a big change happen irl

[@VitalityMassage]

In order to come to the center there has to be a REASON. Now you have two!

[@joedavidson6556]

Yea Europe. How dare you??? Haha it’s about time Europe fended for itself.

[@donbrabo]

The last time Europe had one country with a good army in it took half the world to defeat them, so i'd say pull out indeed but then don't complain later if some crazy dicator stands up one day and takes over the world again XD

[@nape8198]

And we already set up the stage for world dominance! Behold the mighty EU! Where everyone sends their most capable politicians to the council to maintain...whatever they are doing over there in Brussels😂

[@josejorgefarias3728]

That's the point,we can't go for a big war like that because of a dept. a dept should be treated on it's own.

[@Jgs239]

Maybe Europe should let American companies keep their App Store / search monopolies, or start paying tribute?

[@fernandoribeiro7738]

The first Trump visit to Europe as president he demanded that all Nato members should honour their duties particularly Germany paying their fair contribution to Nato. And media says Trump wanted to weak Nato ? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@beasley1232]

The EU doesn’t like Trump because he forces them to beef up their own defense lmao 😂 Trumps biggest problem was that the overwhelming majority of nato members do not pay their 2% spending military spending in nato. Ofc Trumps isolationism tho is more than just forcing Europe to pay for their defense, but Trump wants to bring all US troops overseas home.

[@fuxkag3908]

​@beasley1232 Finnaly someone who seems to understand that the 2% is not a legal nato requirement and it's actually how much NATO countries are encouraged to spend on their own defense not on Nato

[@patolog2675]

Not sure why are we depending on US anyway.. US is not part of Europe..

[@fangtom9128]

If EU can be independent, it will be much much better now.

[@nre992]

It's high time europe grew a pair and become self reliant for its protection rather than protection from uncle sam.

[@abdiganiaden]

The world is much bigger than Europe now, tough

[@qn3734]

Paying the bully to stop other bullies from taking your lunch. This is what this is.

[@nikhilsonawane5250]

If you don't want to pay then be like India.

[@yuejiang4601]

@nikhilsonawane5250 I think that China's military industrial capacity is stronger than India's, so it is better to learn from China. However, it took a long time for the Chinese to have an entire industrial production chain

[@nikhilsonawane5250]

​@@yuejiang4601 don't worry, we are working on that. And please don't run away from Arunachal borders.

[@yuejiang4601]

@nikhilsonawane5250 I appreciate the confidence of Indians, but in the end, it depends on strength

[@nikhilsonawane5250]

​@@yuejiang4601 I agree, we are old powers that's why we should not fight. Instead we can work on Asia's better future.

[@El.Duder-ino]

9:17 & 13:09 r EXCELLENT and very true POINTS, thx DW!

[@peterkfduh]

It’s interesting how the European politicians react to such a question just like their Chinese counterparts recently.

[@enkephalin07]

For the US to neglect Article 5 obligations would devalue it to the extent that there is no alliance. This would benefit no one but our enemies. As little as I like Trump, I think his claim was simply playing hardball, and that when the time came the US would come to the aid of our allies. But I wouldn't be willing to gamble on that; the stakes are too high, and the potential outcomes of a NATO collapse are too terrifying to contemplate.

[@_muse__]

Why is Europe so afraid of a country focusing on itself a bit? Why should any one country have the burden of taking care of another country? If your country is so scared and is so reliant on the US support than shouldn't we have jurisdiction in Europe as well? We might as well take that sovereignty. I would feel so offended if I was a European citizen watching this.

[@Adski975]

It's not about that. America CAN focus on itself while maintaining NATO. Trump and many Americans act like NATO is a burden on America. it isn't. NATO is a mutual defense treaty, not an "America defends Europe" treaty. Guess when the only time article 5 of the treaty was activated. It was on 9/11, and all of NATO came to the aid of the US. Keep in mind that at that point, no one knew where the attack came from but NATO was ready to defend the US from any foreign attack. Do you know what keeps American pockets stuffed with dollar bills? American dominance backed by the largest and most powerful military alliance in world history. Maintaining NATO is as good of a guarantee as any that China or Russia will never subplant the US and threaten world peace or nuclear armageddon.

[@vellarus6581]

The US made that commitment when it joined NATO and its cessation sets a precedent that endangers the entire organization.

[@_muse__]

@@vellarus6581 a country shouldnt have to take care of another to be fair. And what is the point of Nato? Isn't communism over? oh wait there is China......but for some reason nato has been antagonizing Russia for 20 years. If the US cecedes from Nato again, do you really think the US military wouldn't go and defend you if Europe was under attack? OF COURSE THEY WOULD. But putting the needs of US citizens and their country needs first economically is something Europe shouldn't be worried about. And I find it embarressing that their news org is running this piece. Really shows how weak the nation is.

[@tsosie671]

America first 🇺🇸 pay your dues Europe

[@MKK520]

Why do you delete the comments?

[@aryo6264]

Trump is the only person talking about peace. Is not something worth mentioning?

[@WhiteSerpentine]

Chamberlain talked about peace. That went well.

[@deanosaur808]

Peace for who? I think you mean Ukraine surrendering to Russia 😅

[@mahamadoutraore1077]

That is what you get for being dependent! Blackmail, patronised, disrespected, diminished, humiliated…! When European leaders beg the US to send help to Ukraine, instead of taking care of it themselves shows that Europe is the little brother or the poor party in the US-Europe relationship

[@Richard-xu8to]

Why can't Europe take care of its own problems? When there are wars in Nicaragua or Cuba, does the US beg Europe to take care of it?

[@user-tq2kq7xk7j]

USA is one of the countries which convinced Ukraine to get rid of its nuks declaring that those countries would protect Ukraine. the US along with the other countries are obliged to protect Ukraine or is an agreement between countries is only as good until the next Leader?

[@Evemeister12]

Europe hasn't been an independent power since the Second World War. It's relied on American aid and military protection. In fairness, the USA didn't do this purely for altruistic reasons. The USA wanted a successful counterweight to Soviet influence in post WWII Europe.

[@markg3169]

It’s easy to blame others for your own weaknesses

[@thomashunter5645]

American taxpayers are not going to pay for the European defense anymore. It's time for Europe to grow up and become an adult.

[@grimaffiliations3671]

taxpayer money doesn't pay for anything in the US

[@TheGersh18]

@@grimaffiliations3671if not from taxpayers where does the Us get it’s money? Taxpayers money pay for everything in the US, including European defense.

[@Kubizan]

„Grow up and be an adult” says a child to his father xD American taxpayers will be delighted to handle China on their own then.

[@grimaffiliations3671]

@@TheGersh18Not true, taxpayer money is debitted out of existence in the US. It's deleted. The government only makes americans pay taxes to create demand for the dollar, not to fund the government

[@johnaliu5453]

😀

[@DRKrust492]

There was an America First movement in the 1930s. War still came. A world war. Isolation didn't stop that war. It may have accelerated it.

[@drastikchange]

With this many people both disliking Trump and Biden I would hope that we start looking more into independent parties in the future.

[@tomhenry897]

Time for Europe to pay their own way No more free lunch

[@vojtanovotny9111]

free lunch... European conscripts paid with blood in Iraq.

[@ronnie5329]

Europes only problem is it takes time to rebuild military industry. You cannot adjust over night, so pulling the rug results in a head on clash with Russia. Some americans seem to be cool with it, understand who we are dealing with here, americans are no longer our allies.

[@global.citizens]

Based on trolls and bots în the comment section?

[@razorburn7745]

Bingo. Let them sit on the other side of the Atlantic and fawn over their orange king. They’ve lost their way.

[@merjakotisaari9046]

We can buy airplanes from Sweden (Grippen), and we can buy ships from Sweden and Finland, and tanks from Germany and other weapons from different parts of Europe, we also have our own arms industry.

[@fnorgen]

@@merjakotisaari9046 Again, it takes time to build new capacity.

[@x-men69-96]

bc you take advantage of the American people. Pay for yourself

[@sa.377]

the more technology advances, the more the world goes backwards, interesting...

[@jasonmonge9969]

Not really ! Only EU losing power and influence badly while the Global South keeps getting stronger and ritcher..it’s called Karma and it is just the beginning. Get used to it 😂

[@dirunbekannt]

Meaning what exactly?

[@sa.377]

@@dirunbekannt 17 people who liked my comment understood what I mean, but I guess common sense and logic aren't that common after all

[@dirunbekannt]

⁠​⁠@@sa.377 Avoiding an explanation by immediately going on the offensive and resorting to cheap insults is definitely the better alternative and a sign of supreme intelligence. Thank you for this remarkable demostration of civilized discourse - you really know all about common sense, so much is obvious.

[@sa.377]

@@dirunbekanntmeaning that the more technology advances, it so happens, curiously, that narrow mindesness and the extreme right ( racism, fascism, conservatism) is on the rise and the world moves backwards to the middle ages politically and ideologically. And that the more technology advances the more societies move far away from the principles of the 18th century illumination, of humanism / democracy, of inclusiveness, of human rights etc. Is it clearer to u now?

[@zinktomas8251]

You should really stop calling it an “American First Policy.” 1) It’s intentionally misleading and not true 2) It’s an isolationist policy. That’s it

[@kraze5407]

Bro with my very eyes the US is imploding in itself in real time. We need to focus on our own people FIRST. Then we can help EU later.

[@zinktomas8251]

@@kraze5407 Our security guarantees to our allies and our commitment to defending democracy globally has endowed America unrivaled economic and security benefits that has led the U.S to being the sole global super power on earth today. We didn’t become the global currency reserve or the most powerful military on earth by allowing communism to run roughshod around the globe. Reversing course, pulling out of NATO, and being what the U.S was before WW2 (with isolationist driven policies) would be catastrophic. Being the “leader of the free world” isn’t a favor we confer upon other countries. It’s what actually puts America first. Republicans like Mitt Romney and John McCain (RIP), and even many that support Trump out of fear for their jobs (cowards), understand this. And outside of our southern boarder, there is nothing to suggest America is imploding (strong economy, record low healthcare costs, strong military). Fox News or NewsMax may say something different, but it’s mostly garbage (as is CNN/MSNBC)

[@kraze5407]

Yeah besides the border issue which is huge and due to Biden ripping away border laws made by Trump in retaliation. Billions of our tax payer money is sent out to protect a none NATO country half way across the world causing national debt taht further increases inflation rates. Sending money will not eventually let Ukriane beat the moutian that is Russia. We either stop the funding or send all our troops. There is no half assing it by just sending the smaller country our money. I don't see the USA any time soon sending our military to strike on behalf of Ukraine. So now we are just stalling for a loss and now billions in debt for forgien affiars. With the societal infustruture of America at a all time low. It would be the perfect time to attack America at that point rather than if we took the "isolationist"/"America first" approach it would produce better results for people of the states. I promise as a Repulican that if a actual NATO country were to be attack even Trump would not isolate. You need to see through the BS that this is a tactic to get EU to not be dependant. Our monopoly on defense is not sustainable for the betterment of the American citizen @@zinktomas8251

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

Weird how the guy who said Nato countries should pay their bills can't come up with the money for court fees and is accruing wicked levels of penalty late fees

[@Bjonnet55]

stop freeloading on america tax payers okay why would europe depend on usa when china is the problem America First

[@kraze5407]

Who has more of the potential to get thing really back in order in the US? a politician or a business man

[@vojtanovotny9111]

@@kraze5407 little donald actually sucks at business. it's common knowledge.

[@bjolie78]

Good

[@tecsmith_info]

NATO countries have had years to step up their game, why are they counting on America to rescue them?

[@godzosioda]

“What we are currently experiencing is the brain death of NATO” - Emmanuel Macron Nov 7th, 2019

[@Chr0n]

Europe mad they can't leach off the US anymore.

[@GreenIsland38]

The only one leaching here is the US, who are only interested in selling their weapons world wide. Europe can make their own weapons and defence system if they put their show together.

[@alextran2490]

they will continue to criticize america for everything we do though

[@morningsunshine0216]

Exactly they love to Brad about their low cost healthcare but are silent when trillions of our tax dollars are going to support their country. I’m all for America first! 🇺🇸

[@fuxkag3908]

​@@morningsunshine0216 The Us doesnt pay for EU's social programs Eu Pays for Nato Already The 2% is how much they are encouraged to spend on their own defense not to Nato

[@Whxterose8060]

U want to pick a fight with Russia and want U.S. to fight there war

[@FlorinSutu]

DW used to have a Comments section on their website, in 2015...2017. Then they closed the Comments and talked to themselves ever after.

[@merjakotisaari9046]

We can buy airplanes from Sweden (Grippen), and we can buy ships from Sweden and Finland, and tanks from Germany and other weapons from different parts of Europe, we also have our own arms industry.

[@Adski975]

Yes I agree! Even if the US doesn't abandon NATO it is wholly irresponsible for us to rely on them. We need to be able to protect ourselves in any case.

[@lore00star]

Italy makes all three much better than sweden and finland

[@deanosaur808]

@lore00star we're not talking about pizza and pasta 😛🤣

[@lore00star]

@@deanosaur808No we are not. The italian industry is much more advanced than sweden and finland. Italians have top notch companies both in the naval industry and aviation industry, also in space industry.

[@p.d6084]

Pay and you have no problem! Nothing is free! What are you pretending , you take us support with not pay or not pay your percent! What a joke!

[@gggmmmxspace]

Racket?

[@fuxkag3908]

Is it that hard to do a quick google search the 2% DOES NOT GO TO NATO AND IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT ITS HOW MUCH THEY ARE ENOCOURAGED TO SPEND ON THEIR DEFENSIVE BUDGET aka THEIR OWN MILITARY

[@saiedahmed5289]

Europe saw the writing on the walls many years ago; they did nothing to build their own defenses. Europe should rely on their own weapons “Made in Europe”.

[@goingfreenow3297]

I assume it will happen. The "Europe must pay their share" will lead to it. I really don't think Europe is "afraid" and dependent on USA like the americans say it is.

[@alex.laurent]

It just makes sense to pay for protection, doesn’t it ?

[@dirkhouben9960]

Would that mean that the US will also remove all its military bases in Europe and finally (after 79 years of occupation) leave this continent?

[@realDunalTrimp]

I hope so, the European countries should shut down all the American bases. America can’t ignore Europe and still want to keep its military bases there. Thats absurd.

[@TacticaLLR]

Trump does not have that much power, he can’t leave NATO, he can’t make Europe “pay”, he is just one part of the U.S. democracy, he cannot get through the senate and the house on any radical decision.

[@coke2679]

There's no "occupation", stop being ridiculous.

[@dirkhouben9960]

@@coke2679 Ok, please give me another "more fitting" word for a foreign state having military bases in a sovereign state. The Poles called the Russian bases in Poland also "occupation"

[@coke2679]

@@dirkhouben9960 Are you dense? It"s what we call a "military alliance". An occupation is done without the consent of the occupied country...

[@jensencuervos6288]

In any type of alliances everyone has to contribute to security purposes together. Thats where strength is built.

[@Mark-gd2ti]

Who said that was an alliance? It was a way to control the world for the USA. Europe+usa is more than double China... Let's try China+Europe against the USA..... And let's see who end up getting sanctions...

[@el7105]

tell that to the Euros. the LOVE their austerity at our Expense in military spending.

[@fuxkag3908]

The 2% is how much they are encouraged for their own defensive budget not a legal requirement

[@michaeljamescaneza382]

Why prepare for war????humanity are consumed by greed and power😔

[@animallife1877]

inevitable just prepare rather than do nothing.

[@ogbonnaurban4424]

Contributing 2% to your defense is not anti-Europe. Grow up

[@gaborrajnai6213]

I think a 1 trillion annual tax on Google alphabet and Facebook would be a good starter in Europe. They dont have too much choice, their market value without us would be virtually nonexistent, they were evaluated from the very first day with the mind that they will have a significant share in European markets, so they will pay.

[@gggmmmxspace]

Sono convinti che siamo noi a dover pagare… se riesci a convincerli…

[@inupisjg]

Businesses do not pay corporate taxes...consumers do. Businesses have no money that does not come from others so they will just charge more.

[@jimoolakintan6959]

Lol… France tried it and US retaliated with tax on French wine until Macron backed out.

[@STEP107]

Then the usa would start taxing european companies, the usa is a much bigger market than europe you cannot win this fight. Btw europe already has horrendous brain drain because of their anti-business policies they do any more and every company will just leave.

[@e.t.theextraterristrial837]

😂😂😂 Good luck with the economic depression that will follow if you try that Mr Stalin😂

[@KRS-ro6oi]

No military No kids No young folks No tec companies No energy And EU still wants to be a world leader. Hmmmm

[@UpRisingDown]

So who do you cheer for to be the world leader?

[@iam_joshua_bcxvii]

they want to freeload on US military wealth and money. 😂

[@KRS-ro6oi]

@@UpRisingDown Its not about what one wants, but what one can achieve. EU dont have what it takes today.

[@merjakotisaari9046]

We can buy airplanes from Sweden (Grippen), and we can buy ships from Sweden and Finland, and tanks from Germany and other weapons from different parts of Europe, we also have our own arms industry.

[@darkbozo11]

We have knowledge and power... those are more important

[@Iamusertoo]

Jo had to think twice before supporting genoside

[@grrttr]

Maybe theres something I dont understand here, but the military budget of the EU is many times larger than that of russia for example, so why spend even more?

[@benshephard5573]

It sounds like delinquent countries in NATO should pay what they agreed to pay

[@razorburn7745]

Trump first. E Jean Carrol is getting her $100 mill tomorrow. Can’t wait to watch it. 😂

[@gaborrajnai6213]

Says the guy who pays 800 dollars per year as taxes, while living in a palace in Florida.

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

That is apparently a shocking concept to the EU Leftists "wah, the US should look after us and wipe our botties for nothing"

[@fuxkag3908]

How many times do i have to say this the 2% DOES NOT GO TO NATO AND IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT ITS HOW MUCH THEY ARE ENOCOURAGED TO SPEND ON THEIR DEFENSIVE BUDGET

[@fuxkag3908]

Okay so listen up here for a small educations lesson the 2% is how much they are encouraged to spend on their own defense not to NATO And its not a legal requirement

[@prosimulate]

Nordstream: Good luck Europe. Russia: 😂 Germany: 😭

[@samthesuspect]

Pretty sure for every EU member who doesn't want to rely on America, there is 5 more who would rather avoid relying on Russian energy.

[@janoskovacs9406]

Nobody will laugh, when the chain of events will lead to devastation. Not even the russians...

[@prosimulate]

@@janoskovacs9406 True, so the art of diplomacy needs to be resurrected. Or mankind needs a threat from space to unite it, like an asteroid. It seems like we can’t share and be balanced therefore if this tempo continues then maybe mankind doesn’t deserve to live. Question: I wonder why the media on all channels never interviews random common people on their opinions, are the Governments acting out the will of the people?

[@janoskovacs9406]

@@prosimulate It is very naive to think, that the average joe's opinion matters in global politics. I know that people vote for the candidate who promises the most, but to be reasonable, I doubt that the common people see through politics. Let alone global politics. So you can interview people on how to make a fantastic turbo engine, but apart from the engineers, everybody's opinion is false. This is how the world works. Mankind cannot unite, while it is occupied with fighting one another, and it is the rule of the universe, that the strong will survive. In our case, the most witful, and adaptable. Regrettable, but this is how it works.

[@prosimulate]

@@janoskovacs9406 It would provide some insight. The media is not independent and the government has an agenda. Spend so much on defending your country from a threat that we ourselves created…we baited Russia…did it attack any country in 45years I mean compared to the US…Iraq…WMDs was an animated artist impression of what they had…had nothing. Need more flower power…

[@rogerleonard5351]

Maybe Europe should pull their own weight on defense spending? Time for the free ride to end.

[@gggmmmxspace]

No… tu ci odi!

[@romanr.4821]

It’s not a free ride they are spending money and also allowing us to use military bases and more

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

​@@romanr.4821Are they paying what they agreed to? No, that's why they are crying now. They know they are free loading off of the US taxpayer.

[@corujariousa]

Europe must stand on its own. Leaving critical aspects of our lives at the hand of others is never a good option. Alliances must add to our capabilities nor create strong dependencies. I want to believe we (Americans) will not allow that cancer to return but he served to show several areas in which we (the world) need to strengthen and never allow weaknesses to make is vulnerable (security, laws, governmental processes, etc).

[@OldHickoryAndyJackson]

I seriously doubt the USA are just going to go away, even with Trump in

[@right_eu]

Thats so true, if people really think that US will allow Europe to grow they’re a damn fool tbh. But what do you expect from weak politicians in Baltic countries or Finland

[@Boomerrage32]

Yeah I doubt it too, tbh, but we can't rely on the Americans anymore. That doesn't mean that we can't continue to be allies but we shouldn't rely on them.

[@lovyrituraj]

I doubt Americans draftees being sent to the trenches for some unimportant counties like Estonia or Latvia etc

[@user-sg1lt3kz4b]

@@right_euif Europe can grow then so can the US, if the US no longer funds Europe then they can focus on themselves and maybe bring their country back from the brink or mass immigrational ruin

[@stompysnake8233]

Europeans have grown way too comfortable. They are focused on trivial matters like climate change and have forgoten about real issues like security and economic growth.

[@user-xw1ui7so6v]

Europe Ceep cheep cheep

[@user-tq2kq7xk7j]

Australia is even worse. The current government has gone nuts.

[@user-jo5qj9tx7t]

Question: was Europe ever united as a single entity? It appears to me that the concept is foreign to the Europeans, as it would be to those living on any continent. For example, would it make sense to say: one Africa or one South America. Is that even a possibility? If no, then neither is one Europe.

[@commonsense6611]

What this mostly means is that the EU needs to step up their own defense, and funding for defense, to a more fair and reasonable level.

[@shoelessjoe428]

"We really need a business man to get this world straight" ..Didn't Trump plunge the economy into chaos last time he was elected?

[@urkiddingme6254]

Too right. Trump only ran for office the first time because he was a failed businessman and needed a new and bigger grift op to pay off his debts.

[@kraze5407]

wtf even the democrats know the economy was effected by out break of covid. We were thriving in 2017-2019

[@amythomspon956]

Bro you must have missed it the us economy was booming under Trump and with inflation

[@ceejay4284]

Can you cite any statistics to support your claim or question?

[@fuxkag3908]

@@amythomspon956 What about for the Average Joe I know it was good for companies doe

[@RorkesDriftVC]

Putin is once again helping the Trump campaign. Trump's stance is repayment.

[@maebusgaming7913]

i hope call of duty ghosts doesnt play out...

[@masterroshi8812]

Time for trump and putin bromance begins again.

[@jscarpa2002]

Get ready for more riding horses with their shirts off. A la "Brokeback mountain".

[@iam_joshua_bcxvii]

​​@@jscarpa2002id take the horse riding sheenanigans of putin and china china china narrative of trump than a war any day. 😂

[@razorburn7745]

Yep. The US is done.. They love Trump because he speaks with a grade school dialect they can understand. He’s so blatantly corrupt and they can’t see it. It’s hilarious. 😂

[@Sokon2011]

Powerful men are usually among powerful men. No wonder Putin bromance with Putin. This happens also between Obama and Trudeau

[@Usamaalbelda]

Why EU leaders afraid America first policy candidate

[@rizalitosurigao6647]

Europe must be strong own its own

[@EliasGurmu-ls8sp]

No more great Europe. It's time for Africa.

[@agfitts]

Don’t want to pay your fee but needs support of US arms what are u lord ?

[@global.citizens]

What fees?

[@JohnSmith-ux3tt]

​@@global.citizensThe NATO agreement that all members signed up to. Freeloaders now don't want to pay what they signed up for.

[@global.citizens]

@@JohnSmith-ux3tt There was no such agreement, mainly a hypothetical mark many of the members currently reached nontheless

[@fuxkag3908]

How many times do i have to say this the 2% IS NOT FOR NATO AND IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT ITS HOW MUCH THEY ARE ENOCOURAGED TO SPEND ON THEIR DEFENSIVE BUDGET

[@fuxkag3908]

@@JohnSmith-ux3tt That 2% is not a Nato Requirement its how much they are encouraged by NATO to spend on their own defensive budget Its not a legal Requirement

[@SawSaw-zd1cy]

Weak Europe: Rich Africa.

[@UpRisingDown]

You mean more money for the rich in africa. No mather how much money africa gets, it will still be chaos.

[@Berndr]

the only thing Africa will be rich with is a water, in 20 -30 years if nothing changes entire continent will be under the ocean lol

[@Aniruddhpal_]

Europe needs to be independent. Militarily, energy, economically.

[@suzgozimba8480]

That's the danger of depending on others........be self reliant. This is what happens when you depend on big brother to defend you from the bullies ......

[@mr.heisenberg1570]

You do know that the US also depends on Europe right? Europe is one of America’s biggest trading partners.

[@kraze5407]

National security > International trade@@mr.heisenberg1570

[@MysliusLT]

It's not "America first in US". It's Mike Johnson's carrier first and America last. Selfish speaker

[@leonidasarisari5266]

Say no to WAR.

[@Blanka1100]

tell it Putin

[@mgordon1713]

Do you think Russia will accept your "NO"?

[@artiefakt4402]

It's not always your choice to make...

[@davidchabashvili6848]

Ok and if other side says ### of what will you do ?

[@mgordon1713]

@@Daniel2.44 Bullshido 6:66