Asharis Argument Gets Dismantled! Shamsi And Ashari Speakers Corner Sam Dawah

[@waressz]

Shamsi struggled and had no clue about asha'irah

[@jojoahmd123]

He didn’t but we can see who is ashari here😂 we will never let you change the meaning of the Quran verses (( I remembered the story of the Jews in the Quran when they tried to change one word and what Allah did to them )) Quran is clear and the prophet explained it ..we don’t want new thinkers

[@waressz]

@@jojoahmd123 lool you re so a jahil. What about works of imam qurtubi, imam nawawi and imam ibn hajar you using daily on salafi madrassa🤣🤣

[@CarFreakk95]

@@Airhawker4and none were Salaf! asharis do not follow the salaf or the sahaba or the sunnah. They follow the Greek philosophy! Clown

[@jojoahmd123]

@@Airhawker4 I am talking about you ……..changing the clear words of Allah to be something else just by using emotions and thinking without any prove from the prophet or the companies…………. while the explanation of the prophet and his companions is there but you don’t want it…… (( sounds exactly like what the jews did in the past)) you think you are better than the prophet and you understand the Quran more than him …or ….you think the prophet didn’t convey the message of Islam and didn’t explain it …

[@ShafiAshari]

@@Airhawker4 this people akhi are hypocrite, Ashaira existed centuries by centuries. this people existed until ibn tsymiyyah came

[@Killermanshanko]

All the asharis can’t take the guy got dismantled so they claim Shamsi is rude

[@waqr9798]

Shamsi’s behaviour when he’s faced with Muslims with actual knowledge is telling. May Allah swt guide us all. I don’t want to backbite him but this is a guy I’d think twice about before taking knowledge from him.

[@jojoahmd123]

The guy isn’t knowledgeable..it shows you don’t really know which one you should learn from…😂 Just like what shamsi said just take the Quran as it is and the meanings the prophet told us that’s it …why you want to change the Quran verses meanings ?! Like who are you to do that ?!🤨🤨who give you the right!!! wake up

[@badbritish2061]

You clearly lost…May Allaah guide you Ameen

[@CarFreakk95]

LOL yea the dude who couldn’t even name a book of the salaf and lied against a sahabi clearly has knowledge

[@wonderingtraveller4786]

💯 😂

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

​@TheMamoun95 that was a clear deflection tactic by Shamsi... it had nothing to do with the discussion. Plus I'm sure the brother knew more about the books of the salaf than shamsi

[@asavlogsalltruthrevealed7483]

The guy was so calm & shamsi goes he doesn't let me finish 😂😂

[@jojoahmd123]

It doesn’t mean he is on the right path..the calm guy doesn’t believe in the Quran as it is or how the prophet explains it ..he thinks his teacher learn something the prophet didn’t know it

[@EmperorDawn]

@@jojoahmd123 so you say Many scholars like An Nawawi or Ibn Hajar Al Askalani (who were ashari) and so many others, don't believe the Qur'an as it is ?

[@jojoahmd123]

@@EmperorDawn Follow the prophet and his companions and what they said in this matter…….if a scholar Said something against them then throw that scholar away

[@EmperorDawn]

@@jojoahmd123 ok so you say that all those renowned scholars who were far more knowledgeable than us, we have to throw their aqida because they seems to be on falsehood. May I ask if you do takfir on them ? Btw An Nawawi was considered Sheikh ul Islam in his time

[@saidibo4294]

@@EmperorDawn as he said, follow the prophet and the companions, as the prophet said in multiple ahadith, follow my way and that of my companions, the ulama you mentioned they are not ash’ari, never claimed to be, read their books dont believe what you see on internet, read the books of ibn taymiyyah and ibn qayyim rahimahollah. For the ulama which you mentioned, it is unclear that they are ashari or that they follow the salaf o salih, but for the companions, we have thousands of books which explains their aqeedah and manhaj, dont lie against yourself and read the books of the salaf.

[@kingeric2468]

You can see the difference in manners between certain scholars at speakers corner and those from the outside. The brother has knowledge, so does shamsi to an extent, but when faced with someone with knowledge he starts stuttering and sweating and doesn't let someone speak.

[@austonpower8168]

@@abdelhalimtarek you are a lier Shamsi manner better than yours may Allah protect him from all evil and keep him and us on the right path

[@ALGfunk]

​ Who cares about behaviour when the bars hit hard.... Emotional snowflakes

[@AA-hi6os]

Be careful of giving anyone the title of Shaykh.

[@AA-hi6os]

@@ALGfunk Adab doesn't make one a snowflake. Don't be a fool.

[@virtualwanderer]

​@@abdelhalimtarekwhat beautiful akhlaq. Take your fill on the dead flesh of your brother.

[@mohammaddanish1991]

The Asharis lying against Sahaba! May Allah's curse be upon all liars.

[@00mr.m41]

May Allah reward Shamsi for always speaking the truth, people on here with no knowledge think the Ashari guy has valid points just from the way he speaks, don’t be fooled by it, go learn the deen according to the Quran and sunnah & not according to your community leaders with their soothing voices, even the devil can sweeten the way he speaks, always seek the truth

[@traditionalmiddlepath3773]

Ok . Please list the points that weren't valid from the ashari guy

[@KingdomOfBoxing]

​@@traditionalmiddlepath3773 he said we didn't know the meaning so added one based on the Arabic language. Clear bidda

[@traditionalmiddlepath3773]

@@KingdomOfBoxing the sahabah did the same so they carrying out a Bida?

[@KingdomOfBoxing]

@@traditionalmiddlepath3773What do u think this is, ur football team against mine or something? This is deen, Its clear asharis fell into biddah by adding there own opinions into the quran meaning. when most of these guys don't even understand arabic. Just drop this mess brother u think I was born salafi? No after seeing they truly follow the quran n sunnah I had to join them

[@traditionalmiddlepath3773]

@@KingdomOfBoxing sorry my brother I don't think you answered my question . The sahabah did this so why is it wrong in your eyes

[@jabbarfaiz6094]

This “shamsi” guy has no adab nor does he even have a point. He doesn’t even let the brother talk. What a disgrace. This has convinced me that “Shamsi” has little to no knowledge whatsoever.

[@scrub3603]

Let me guess, you're an ashari

[@SaaduddinUbaidah]

akh dont mistake ikhlaq with ilm, ikhlaq is needed no doubt but even a kaffir can have ikhlaq yet not have ilm, so judge this based on ilm.

[@rowiemomo4684]

Fear Allah, lying on purpose. I’m literally watching the video and nothing you say matches with it

[@imfayezmi]

It is not healthy or in my opinion not even Muslims ways to debate such topics in the public like this. Seems like this noor brother planned all this with his team. May ALLAH guide everyone

[@mukhtar768]

What is adab , is lieing adab to u. Or is hiding ur belifs adab according to u. Clear cut liar and shamsi exposed this miserable guy. He only came to speakers corner to promote his channel. Allah exposed him. Alhamdulilah

[@nazmulslater8398]

Shamsi was being rude, interupting him everytime and then claims that the Ashari is interupting him. Typical from madkhalies harsh to Muslims humbe to none Muslims.

[@wallingtonluke]

Shamsi was being interrupted and the other guy was lying on sahaabah. We should be zealous for our religion and if you had ghayrah for your deen you would understand why shamsi is getting annoyed with the lying and making up stuff which isn't authentic.

[@nazmulslater8398]

@@wallingtonluke shamsi was hardly letting him speak, they other brother will naturally interrupt, yes we should be zealous for our Deen in the right way, tell that to shamsi who claims mbs is Salafi who is corrupting the Muslims of Saudi Arabia.

[@wallingtonluke]

@nazmulslater8398 the ashari guy, was afraid to clarify his own beliefs at first, then interrupted alot then to mention shamsi interrupted him especially during times where he was making up lies or claims without evidence or Simply just trying to avoid answering the questions directly. As for MBS being Salafi, if you knew what salafiyah is and how you can't make tabdee based off of sins then you wouldn't be saying that so I'd advise you go study and research your religion rather than being focused on individuals and their own sins or mistakes. Leave speaking about the religion to those of knowledge barakallahu feekum.

[@nazmulslater8398]

@@wallingtonluke Being called a Salafi means your being called part of the saved sect. They will be upon what Our Messenger (saw) and His Sahabas are upon. Did the Sahabas try to corrupt the Muslims by promoting music, free mixing, Halloween? Did they try to reduce Islamic practices? Being a Salafi means being a good Muslim too not just having the correct Aqeedah and acting like a munafiq.

[@nazmulslater8398]

@@wallingtonluke the same can be said to you learn the Deen rather then focusing on Ashari individuals...etc.

[@omarov_1974]

may allah preserve brother shamsi, that's why we should learn aqida and tawheed first

[@MrRiz157]

Yes you’re these dawah guys should stick to debates with non Muslims that’s what’s their really good at. Leave the Islamic discourse to the experts such as this Ashari brother.

[@rq8322]

​@@MrRiz157 يجب أن نناقش الاشاعره قبل النصارى ... لأن جميعهم ضالين

[@SyedAli-md4gx]

Like you and the salafis actually know anything about 'aqidah.

[@wallingtonluke]

Ashairah is bidah, all a bunch of guess work and Philosophy from the Greeks.

[@benjumeda2461]

​@@wallingtonlukeSalafism is anthropomorphist idolatory. Paganism.

[@billykidd5313]

Shamsi is rattled

[@mohammaddanish1991]

May Allah protect Shamsi! Aameen

[@mohsinilyas3078]

Shamsi hearts beating fast, when someone’s come with knowledge he gets shook, and starts stuttering, he talks good to shias and kaffirs but when it comes to Muslims he screams and shouts.

[@squidguard1]

I could see the fear in his eyes from the very start. This is sheikh Norudeen Rashid.

[@squidguard1]

@@mohdsadiq.salafi Shamsi will happily spend an hour talking to the Shiah, Quranists and Christians but made a swift exist in this conversation

[@jalalhaider83]

Sheeyaz say that 😂 are you 🖐

[@waqr9798]

@@mohdsadiq.salafiLmao you’re coping. Shamsi was looking for excuses to run.

[@gibean]

Asharis act like christians, misquote and then when get called out, play victim ... also shady as shitdont want to admit ashari in the beginning

[@kaykastro9302]

I LOVE U BROTHER SHAMSI FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH. YOUR A LION MAY ALLAH PROTECT YOU AND GIVE YOU MORE KNOWLEDGE. AMEEN

[@naimajama8465]

The asharis are maddd in the comments 😂😂 shamsi saw right through him when he refused to claim he is ashari and no shamsi is not ganna allow falsehood to speak

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

Cos shams would bark about another straw man... you madkalis got dealt with hard....

[@RRC905]

What falsehood. Speak if you have knowledge and not copy and paste.

[@aftabyounis4852]

Shamsi wants to be the only one talking and afraid. Defensive and in the wrong!

[@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و]

Shamsi is conversing with Shaykh Noorud-deen Rashid, who dedicated years to studying under renowned ulamah in Syria, including Shaykh Samir al-Nass. Shamsi and other Duat at speakers corner should not engage in debates with Ashari, Maturidi, or Athari Shuyukh because they will be exposed as having no actual knowledge in comparison to scholars.

[@AhmedKdy]

😂😅 Did you see how all the Muslims ( yound and old, africans, Asians, Arabs, Reverts etc ) Walked away when the Muslim left the Innovater to Debate and Talk by himself ( surrounded by few Shaytans maybe ).

[@ShafiAshari]

@@AhmedKdy so your yardstick of studying aqeedah is the people around shamsi?🤣in the speakers corner?🤣omg cant believe salafis is so ignorant as they use their laymen to be the yardstick of their truth lmao🤣.

[@AhmedKdy]

@@ShafiAshari Studying aqeedah? 😂 We are watching speakers for Recreational Purposes Fool, Son of a Donkey Brain.. And yes i made a good observation when I mentioned how " all the Muslims left the Devient to talk to himself 😂..

[@zp1232]

​@ShafiAshari also, on the flip side, when you mention numbers to these "salafies " they start talking about numbers not being a sign of haq. The double standards are mad.

[@zp1232]

@@ShafiAshari My brother I was agreeing with you

[@hermano6793]

I wanted to hear what the brother had to say but unfortunately whenever he started brother Shamsi kept aggressively interrupting.

[@HanefiMadhab]

Wahabis always like this 😊

[@maxpain5555]

Despite being an ashari he's probably an actual student of knowledge though. Shamsi is learned to a degree but really he hasn't under scholars as or like a student

[@al_hilali213]

He actually did sit with scholars the fact that you're speaking out of ignorance is telling.. no wonder why you assume this unknown brother is probably a "student of knowledge"....

[@hl8302]

The apparently learned brother has not even learnt that he is Ashari yet. Why hide your beleif. Shia vibes. But why would you hide?

[@OCEAN-fc9wl]

Nah he is not, shamsi clearly schooled him

[@GhaaziWarrior]

a 'student of knowledge' who doesn't know or has a problem keeping a beard according to the Sunnah.....get out of here with your preaching ...when you cant even get the basics right

[@funnymoneys8328]

Br Shamsi is irritated and shook with this one

[@TheMercifulAndJust]

may Allah give this respectful Sheikh immense reward for his great responses and patience

[@abuzakarriya5435]

LOL but was caught lying and dishonest about being an ashari. And secondly it clearly shows they are misguided and wrong😂

[@hasnainahmed6142]

Shaykh Nurudin was calm and collected

[@hl8302]

Maybe the meaning of calm has changed in the last few years

[@hl8302]

Maybe the meaning of Shaykh too for that matter

[@XxABLOxX1]

That sheikh looked like a lunatic lol emabrassed if being a Ashari he tried to hide it

[@hl8302]

@@XxABLOxX1 That was Shia vibes there

[@wxxkong]

Calm. Outwardly smiling. Inwardly burning. hahahaha

[@H4R88N]

*The deviators focus on* and look for those verses that require *interpretation ignoring the majority* of the book; verses which are plain and clear *as there is* " *no room to wiggle* " in them

[@H4R88N]

When they are with the believers they say openly "We believe " But when they are with their evil ones they spend the night scheming against the Prophet of Allah Upon him be Peace

[@sim6c765]

@@H4R88N Haqq!! Ahlul Bidah will never like this Ayah ; [2:285] “The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allāh and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."

[@asavlogsalltruthrevealed7483]

Shamsi doesnt even give guy to talk

[@saidibo4294]

Shamsi pinned him down, because he is lying.

[@ghulamqadiri638]

@@saidibo4294in ur dreams he ran away😂

[@hl8302]

Generally only interrupted when he lied, diverted or misquoted. Only takes an ounce of sincerity to know this....

[@imran_rafiq_rather]

I feel the same way, :)

[@filmyfun1]

​@@ghulamqadiri638Ashari kuffr is afraid to admit he is even Ashari Lol

[@Karim01101]

Guy didn’t get to talk for even 30 seconds at a time but shamsi yapped for the entire video without giving him a chance to reply. And then shamsi asks if he chooses ibn Abbas and the prophet ﷺ as if they were on two different teams. Shameful discussion from Shamsis corner. He acts more aggressive towards the (vast majority of) Muslims than he does with the kuffar

[@hakz795]

Shamsi destroyed the nonsense of that misguided brother with one simple authentic hadith. Alhamdulillah for the blessing of sunnah. Ash'aris and maturidis are not from AhlusSunnah.

[@twatik]

Its not about who talks the longest, it about who is speaking the truth, and wallahi it is clear as day, one is bringing up hadith and the salaf for every explanation, one is lying against the salaf ... And when asked about naming a book of the salaf, he ran like a new born deer

[@hakz795]

@@twatik 💯 👍

[@benjumeda2461]

​@@hakz795dude you are anthropomorphist pagans. You do not even among the people of jizya.

[@mamadoufarissou7312]

True, the extreme pseudo salafiyah are like that, they are the opposite of what followers of muhammah saw should be.

[@MrRiz157]

Not seen this brother before but he wasn’t allowed to speak without being interrupted. He’s got patient and was making valid points perhaps because of this he kept being interrupted.

[@abdullahmahmoodfahim6118]

What was his valid points? Write it down here.

[@AllstarsTheworld]

Can you count which valid points? I'm very corius to know ?

[@traditionalmiddlepath3773]

That taweel is permitted, and the sahabah did this

[@AllstarsTheworld]

@@traditionalmiddlepath3773 really? is that what you call valid point?

[@traditionalmiddlepath3773]

@@AllstarsTheworld yehp alhamdullilah

[@imran_rafiq_rather]

5:44 "Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, put his hand on my shoulder and he said, “O Allah, give him understanding in religion and teach him the interpretation of the Quran.” Shame on Shamsi

[@neomatrix4965]

Brother shamsi machallah might allah award you in this life and after .. this ashari was ashamed to say his ashari

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

Are you madkali?

[@rq8322]

​@@AmirKhan-pm8cb no shamsi is salafi...

[@Mythbuster42]

​@@rq8322wahabi ..

[@imran_rafiq_rather]

Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, put his hand on my shoulder and he said, “O Allah, give him understanding in religion and teach him the interpretation of the Quran.” What are you talking about. Nonsense.... He is shouting only and not letting the other person speak.

[@benjumeda2461]

Did you watch it with your ass

[@treemanagement143]

The title is asharis argument gets dismantled but its more like shamsi just talks over his opponent and doesn't give him a chance

[@cellularenvios2339]

يعتمد الحوار الناجح في عمليته على ثلاث أسس وهي: احترام الطرف الآخر الإنصات وعدم الاستعجال في الرد. الهدوء وعدم استخدام الصوت المرتفع لأنه دليل على ضعف الحجة والفكر. التركيز على الفكرة التي يدور حولها النقاش وعدم التفرع بعيداً عنها. أن يكون هدف الحوار الوصول إلى الحق وليس إثبات صحة فكرتي

[@aktcdc]

صحيح القول

[@vassiliivanovich4079]

آداب الحوار لازمة. و لكن. فالفيديو. الشخص ينسب كلام غير صحيح لصحابي. (يمكن عامة الناس لا يمكنهم التمييز بين الصحة و الكذب) لذلك. وجب على شمسي. ان يسلط الضوء على هذه النقطة. قبل ان يتعمق الشخص فالكلام و يبتعد . ايضا. عندما نسمع. قال الله. و قال الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم. نقول سمعا و طاعة. لا مجال للجدال لا يمكن. مقابلة حديث الرسول. بكلام عالم. لهذا. الحوار الذي دار بينهما. غير متكافئ فنجد شمسي. يقدم ادلة من القرآن و السنة بينما. الأخ. يتكلم بدون دليل.

[@JustletNustet]

Walahi anta jahil and you are a cheerleader of samsi

[@thecarguy1233]

​@@vassiliivanovich4079صحيح

[@ecw787]

I felt sorry for the people that thought Shamsi was a credible scholar. The true scholars of Islam who are english speaking are Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Murad, Asrar Rashid and Dr Umar Abdallah Faruq. All Asharis, alhamdulilah.

[@acesrusselcloud5676]

Lol. All of those scholars are not even a scratch to SHAMSI. Shamsi is one of the causes through the hidayat of ALLAH swt non Muslims reverted to Islam. If he is not in the right AQIDA he should not have that accomplishments. I bet those scholars you mentioned will pee in dealing with Christian apologists. Shami is knowledgeable not only in our deen but also in Christianity and Judaism.

[@hl8302]

Come on bro, Hamza Yusuf lol. Do u believe in grave worship too?

[@ecw787]

@@hl8302 You simpleton no educated Muslim from Ahlus Sunnah engages in "grave worship". Do some research and learn the position of sunnis before spewing such nonsense.

[@ecw787]

@@acesrusselcloud5676 Sheikh Hamza has read thousands of books literally and studied with one of the greatest Sheikhs Murabit al Hajj. Shamsi got destroyed by this brother at speakers corner and he is nowhere near as qualified as Sheikh Hamza Yusuf.

[@EmperorDawn]

Since when Shamsi can match scholars of Islam ? Did I missed something ? A da'i ok, he gives da'wah but what are his ijaza ? I'm curious about that. Not BCS he is doing great to give da'wah to non Muslim, he is a scholar or can match them

[@funtv7877]

May Allah protect brother Shamsi

[@tawheed1st316]

i’m not a shamsi fan as such but you have to submit to the evidences .. the ashari guy was not even straight forward from the beginning , wasn’t proud enuf of his aqeeda to admit he was ashari.. then couldn’t even name one book of the salaf !! very sad

[@TefaUK]

Imagine Allah says an attribute about himself in the Quran, and the Messenger affirms it and the Sahaba would affirm it and all Ahlu Al Sunnati wal Jama'aa would affirm it through thousands and thousands of books yet someone comes in says, no this means that, Allah says a hand, you say Al Qudra, Allah there is nothing comparable to him, but you're here in the 21th century want to give a description to Allah when he says nothing is comparable to him and he affirmed it for himself, you're doing Tashrii' by yourself? yet people here in the comments are upset, by Allah, between us and you the books of the salaf and as Imam Ahmed said, between us and you the funerals. Seek knowledge instead of arguing.

[@waqr9798]

That last line is something your side needs to take heed of tenfold. There’s no one as argumentative whilst being barely learned on the entirety of this section of social media than you guys.

[@TefaUK]

No worries, you can claim whatever you wanna claim, It still stands, between you and us are the books of the Salaf and the funerals and to Allah belongs the last judgement and to tell us what we differed about, Barak Allahu feek.@@waqr9798

[@jojoahmd123]

That’s why the prophet told us some Muslims will be in the banishment …..they actually try to change the clear Quran verses

[@raimijay4352]

Yes. Ur explanation is simple to understand. I don't understand why they wanted to discuss this topic.

[@TheMercifulAndJust]

Imagine attributing forgetfulness to Allah eating, falling ill, movement, change, garmets upper and lower, limbs and parts , a house , and a camel and then some and likening these to attributes Will Knowledge Power Mercy Might Absoluteness Irresistible .... nauthubillah have you ever heard a Muslim named slave of Yadein or Slave thil Yedein or slave of Saaq or called out Ya Thal Saaq ??? but you have AbdulQadir AbdulAleem AbdulMumin AbdulSamad

[@twatik]

"Name a book of the salaf" "No i dont think so" "Take care" I love Brother Shamsi

[@jkksoutheast4412]

I always admired shamsi but he's super arrogant...no way we support him with this level of arrogance

[@imadkafi2689]

this is not arrogance this is to be angry when someone lie about Shaba in front of you and it's clear that you don't care if someone lie about ibn Massoud in front of you this is your issue not Shamsi

[@geomattech7891]

he isnt arrogant so dont speak out of your emotion, he get too emotionally when some lying and making claims without honest evidence so he tries hardly to refut it but doesnt mean he is arrogant so we shouldn't support him! as you say. tbh your comment is way dangerous and spread out fitna among peoples who making dawah or who watching him, so remove it jazakallahu khairan

[@filmyfun1]

Take ur mask Ashari kuffr

[@sararae5994]

Shamsi is abit crazy if someone knows things about islam on his level or more he dies 10 times lol he is very argumentative and shouting alot

[@mrqas2000]

Not really, the Ashari was rude and had no manners and did not let him finish his sentence, obviously shamsi will get frustrated by that, anybody would

[@saqub2008]

Standard Salafi behavior, experienced it myself many times, Salafi's are well known for lacking manners

[@pyrogunslinger1877]

People saying shamsi got destroyed must have watched with their ears and hearts locked . Shamsi explained this very well👍

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

Sham-si dithered, and got dismantled so bad, he was sweating...

[@pyrogunslinger1877]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb I was there yesterday it was hot 😂 sweating has nothing to do with ut

[@humzdon4life]

7:03 ashari got refuted by this hadith so now they cant say that Allah doesnt have hands etc ashari is an aqeedah full of khara the sahabas are against the asharis and matarudis

[@SonGoku-io7sh]

Shamsi can't debate anyone learned whether Athari or Ashari because he is an actor for the secular Madkhali's.

[@jojoahmd123]

He can actually but I understand your desperation 😂

[@SonGoku-io7sh]

@@jojoahmd123 Good explanation of "how" he can. I can understand your desperation.

[@xpertdiate9982]

@@SonGoku-io7sh Shamsi already explained but you might need to learn the basic of listening and understanding of oral comprehension. This is why you are in this predicament. Nobody can help you with this if you behave and have the same attitude just like the Christian missionnaries. Take care.

[@SonGoku-io7sh]

@@xpertdiate9982 I did listen, that's why I know his explanation is nonsense. Oh and likening me to a Christian missionary when the likes of you Madkhali fanboys takfeer against Muslims but make the Christians feel super comfortable. You know, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[@hl8302]

​@@SonGoku-io7sh The innovator is more dangerous then the disbeliever in this regard without a doubt.

[@imran_rafiq_rather]

3:00 Zero Adab, Anger clearly on his face. "Manners are among the first pillars of Islam"

[@ShafiAshari]

obviously salafiyyah will not stand on the ashaira if it was properly explain and in a debate manner. Shamsi was trying to interrupt and just spitting his non sense aqeedah. Try to have some debate with us in a proper manner, you will not stand 30 seconds.

[@ShafiAshari]

@@Airhawker4 I’m a nobody, akhi but there are many tullabul ilm that refuting the salafi and exposing their level of knowledge in twitter, so many evidences you can find there akhi.

[@Albani3]

You commented like 10 times laughing and mocking, clearly you have an insecurity in your manhaj.

[@ShafiAshari]

@@Albani3 pointing out specifically the error and falsehood of the innovator is not insecurity in manhaj unless you are jaahil who also insecured on your manhaj because of me commenting 10 times to refute your deviant beliefs.

[@Spark12429]

​@@ShafiAshari Do you affirm Allah( swbt) attributes Real sence like the hand the eyes and face...

[@ShafiAshari]

@@Spark12429 huh? I affirm Allah has a sifatul yad, ain, saaq subsist from his essence while I negate “hand, eyes, feet”.

[@muslimuk786]

I think Shmsi unfortunately projects his own behaviour onto his opponent. He exhibits aggressiveness himself, interrupts and the accuses the other of the same behaviour.

[@saqub2008]

the same way salafis project their Aqidah on the Sahabah

[@tariquekhan7594]

Bro u may have noticed other brothers accent in speakers corner and shamsis accent...shamsi has a different accent ....he is an Algerian that's y he sounds more aggressive than he is ....A person should not only judge by ikhlaq but ilm ..cuz a non muslim can be good in ikhlaq ,but have no ilm ...may Allah guide us all

[@tugi7104]

Shamsi got refuted hard. Goes full on preacher mode. Doesnt adress the issue. Runs away, deflects, interrupts and tries to change the topic. When u press them they squirm.

[@filmyfun1]

Ashari kuffr is afraid to even admit he is Ashari Lol

[@ZEKINOOR]

​​@@filmyfun1mujjasima😢

[@humzdon4life]

How is he a mujassimah? ​@@ZEKINOOR

[@MohamedShou]

You can tell the difference of knowledge between Shamsi and Ash’ari brother. I like Shamsi but he needs relax

[@rayyoplayer5711]

My brother he is algerian , and all algerian talk like this😂

[@firebreak3340]

Shamsi running away constantly, quick to cut and interrupt but doesn’t like when it happens to him

[@Elazhar-qm2oc]

He is an agent of algerian government

[@waarya]

^A hurting lying Ashari right here

[@firebreak3340]

@@waarya lying? Prove me wrong then he doesn’t allow people to talk but is quick to cry when he gets interrupted the boot licker

[@Visible-jb2ew]

@@waaryayou seem hurt bro wish you a quick recovery

[@admirosmani3765]

@@Visible-jb2ew ashari guy was right you think?

[@NoureAW]

Shamsi has shown no akhlaq in this conversation

[@muhammadwoz]

You are blinded by your preconceived ideas. Look past the surface and see who is sincere. Baarak'Allahu feek

[@nasamin5972]

Shamsi doesn't let the other guy talk and keeps cutting him off and then is complaining that you don't let me finish I just finished watching the video. Shamsi runs away 😂😂😂😂😂

[@hl8302]

There is a difference in correcting and cutting off. If someone lies or misquotes or diverts then that interruption is not the same as not letting someone finish a point. Quite simple if one has an ounce of sincerity.

[@ShafiAshari]

@@hl8302then why did you go to speakers coner if you wouldn’t even let your opponent speak. go somewhere and have symposium so no one will bother you speakingg.

[@hl8302]

@@ShafiAshari If someone lies, misquotes or diverts they should be interpreted. Which part of that did you not understand?

[@ShafiAshari]

@@hl8302 if someone lies, misquoted and diverted? why cant you wait til your turn to refute it?isnt that hard to understand?.

[@hl8302]

@@ShafiAshari Lol u cnt be serious. If you lie and the rest of your comments are based on that lie that what's the point. Correct them and then they continue. If some1 misquotes and bases a discussion based on that then what's the point. If some1 diverts and then continues what's the point of the conversation. If the person is sincere they accept the correction and continue. But those here to blindly spread their lies get corrected and still persist with their lie as was seen clearly.

[@yuzu4857]

The adab of Shamsi againt Shaykh Nouredeen says enough

[@firebreak3340]

Title of this video 🤣🤣🤣 should be the other way

[@anglotarjamah]

Shamsi acting rabid 🦮 when he’s on the verge of getting embarrassed

[@kaashee]

No men resembled rabid dogs more than the men of Kufa.

[@equityjustice2695]

Why you slandering, fear the anger of Allah swt

[@aftabyounis4852]

Bro you are raising shamsi too high. Imam shafi said he could debate 100 scholars but an ignoramus not even one.

[@admirosmani3765]

​@@aftabyounis4852where was shamsi wrong?

[@admirosmani3765]

Son of kufa 😅 are you a shia?

[@GorillazINmist]

Same sold Shami when he's losing a discussion he starts shouting and not letting the other guy speak.

[@waqr9798]

“Ashari argument gets dismantled” but that just didn’t occur here. Unsubscribed.

[@mohamedbou1778]

Whoever put the title for this video didn't even listen to the convo loll

[@waqr9798]

@@mohamedbou1778Shamsi made himself look like a clown. I’ve seen him debate Christians and Atheists who are ACTUALLY insulting AND argumentative and shown far more restraint.

[@mohamedbou1778]

@@waqr9798 That's what happens when you have no ground to stand on. It's unfortunate that they misguide the average muslim by telling them they follow the salaf when they follow someone who came 700 years after the hijrah

[@jojoahmd123]

@@mohamedbou1778 Who is that someone I need to know is it the someone who exposed all the wrong versions of Islam😂😂 please say his name it is the key in this matter

[@saidibo4294]

This ashari got exposed by brother shamsi. May allah bless the brother and forgive him. And guide us

[@waressz]

Unsubscribing from this misguidance channel and misleading title

[@lucifugus1376]

May Allah guide the ash’aris who are commenting ill about brother shamsi

[@HCAli7861.-]

You guys need to stop with the clickbait titles. Shamsi literally doesn't let anybody speak. His knowledge is very limited compared to those of knowledge. His friends literally follow him around like a sheep, very cult like behaviour from them all.

[@Tinolg7]

👏👏 when shamsi comes across someone with knowledge he acts like this

[@Optimist415]

Shaykh Noorudeen alhamdulillah good brother

[@yourstruly5706]

Lol, you got wrecked bro. Tafwid is affirming the word and leaving the real meaning to God after believing it's not literal. It's what ibn Mas'ud did (may Allah ta'ala be pleased with him) did. And taweel is providing a meaning that is worthy of Allah ta'ala. If ibn Mas'ud took the zahir meaning as you claimed a hand is a hand, etc. He would've said saaq is saaq, he didn't say that. What İmam Tahawi confirms of the Aqeeda of the salaf is they deny the apparent for those belong to created beings.

[@imran_rafiq_rather]

10:00 He has no manners what so ever, He is getting angry for no reasons.

[@T-19-]

11:09 “And surely assumptions can in no way replace the truth.” (53:28)

[@kalijasin]

3:103 And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

[@T-19-]

@@kalijasin Stick to the rope of Allah i.e Quran, Sunnah and the Sahaba. Not the ‘rope’ which has shia, ashari, Sufi, Ahmedi, Khawaarij.

[@raku4386]

Sufi's are sunni, and they're not misled ya jahl. It is the tariqats that are misled

[@AzaK154]

I know, dealing with the ludicrous arguments of the Asharis could be very frustrating. But Shamsi needs to calm down a little... Sometimes being too hyped up could really impaired the whole message.

[@TheMercifulAndJust]

That is correct! We are following the Quran and Sunnah (and the Correctly-guided Salaf and those who followed them in the following generations until today, Azhar Shareef being the highest Islamic Academic authority and most authentic along with its sister madrasas and dar ul ulooms, across the Muslim world ) - we reject where the scholars ibn taymiyyah, ibn al qayyim, mohammed ibn abdulwhhab and recent madkhali-fawzani-albanii-wahhabi-taymiyyi saudi egyptian african, somali , ethiopian, sudani, lebanese, palestinian, jordanian, syrian, iraqi, yemeni, emirati, kuwaiti, qatari, algerian, moroccan, libyan, jamaican, canadian, american, european, british, irish, french, germen ...etc pseudoscholars who have differed from from the Quran and Sunnah and what has been the ways followed by all of the Ulama of the AhlusSunnah wal Jamaah !

[@austonpower8168]

mashallah brother shamsi i love you for the sake of allah May Allah protect you and keep you on the right path don't care about hater

[@40alz]

Problem with shamsi is, he is not a alim and keep saying Quran and Sunnah. To have knowledge of Quran and Sunnah we need be Alims taught heart to heart from another Alim , who was taught heart to heart all the way reaching Rasulullah. if Shamshi thinks Ashari and Maturidi are wrong he was accused majority of Muslim scholars deviant . Most probably signs of time fromer accusing latter of deficiency.

[@funnymoneys8328]

I am not an ashari but I applaud this brother for his ikhlaq and mannerism

[@CarFreakk95]

Such amazing ikhlaq in lying about a sahabi ibn masoud.

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

​@TheMamoun95 that's your brainwash madkali opinion

[@salttea8926]

​@@CarFreakk95what he lied about?

[@CarFreakk95]

@@salttea8926 he lied about Ibn Masoud that he made tafwid of Allahs shin but rather he affirmed it! 13:01

[@salttea8926]

@@CarFreakk95 there is another video on that on which he is explaining everything thing after... Go watch that...

[@TruthObserver79]

He who shouts the loudest with his own mic - does not win

[@MrFar80]

He can ask muslim you Ashaari ..but when people ask are you wahabi he get angry 😂 Shamsi sometimes you are arrogant and stubborn bro..Wahabidaah 😂

[@jojoahmd123]

What do you mean by wahabi ?!?😂 I read the man books nothing new there ?! So what’s really going on here ?!?!

[@wardboxer6895]

Because we don’t accept this name. But Asharis refer to themselves as Asharis

[@saidibo4294]

Ahlul bid’ah only say this, remember you will stand before allah swt, as allah mentioned in the quran. “Everything what you utter they will write it down( the angels)”

[@saqub2008]

@@wardboxer6895 Majority of Ashari's and Maturidis dont even know they are Asharis and Maturidis, as their scholars dont give emphasis to these terms or teach these matters to the laymen, they just try to keep it simple for the laymen and not confuse them, i was attending and teaching in a Deobandi Maturidi masjid for 18 years and never had a clue or heard about Maturidi and Ashari, only found out about it through Salafis.

[@TheMercifulAndJust]

That is correct! We are following the Quran and Sunnah (and the Correctly-guided Salaf and those who followed them in the following generations until today, Azhar Shareef being the highest Islamic Academic authority and most authentic along with its sister madrasas and dar ul ulooms, across the Muslim world ) - we reject where the scholars ibn taymiyyah, ibn al qayyim, mohammed ibn abdulwhhab and recent madkhali-fawzani-albanii-wahhabi-taymiyyi saudi egyptian african, somali , ethiopian, sudani, lebanese, palestinian, jordanian, syrian, iraqi, yemeni, emirati, kuwaiti, qatari, algerian, moroccan, libyan, jamaican, canadian, american, european, british, irish, french, germen ...etc pseudoscholars who have differed from from the Quran and Sunnah and what has been the ways followed by all of the Ulama of the AhlusSunnah wal Jamaah ! @@saqub2008

[@fengsports2063]

Where did it get dismantled? Ashari / Maturidi both say the asl is tafweed and taweel is necessary

[@aaquib2010]

you dont know do you? Tafweed people say no one knows and we dont affirm or deny. Taweelis take our a meaning by doing taweel. How can you do taweel after tafweed, its a contradiction in itself

[@saidibo4294]

Wallahi wa billahi shamsi has destroyed this man by allah’s permission, you can clearly see that shamsi is a knowledgable person. May allah bless him and guide us.

[@waressz]

😂😂😂

[@kiy5278]

The copium here is crazy. No one destroyed anyone. They argued and made no points for twenty minutes. Anyone who says this person destroyed that person here is a disingenuous idiot. The fact that you said Wallahi aswell lmao

[@zp1232]

What kind of jaahil makes kassam for this?

[@Abu_Saalih_Sfiso_Duma]

"I am speaking for myself"....

[@manbetterunderstand]

Glad to see you have changed the title. Perhaps don't be so hasty in the future.

[@manbetterunderstand]

And you changed it back. Unsubscribed.

[@shafiqazizi]

Shamsi is ragging He’s calling brothers liar and hypocrite Guy is pure mujasemah🤦🏻‍♂️ I used to love this guy 🥲

[@filmyfun1]

But don't die as a Ashari kuffr

[@ArwikyPlayground]

Masya Allah, Brother Shamsi,,, i love you for Allah SWT.

[@imran_rafiq_rather]

5:44 What is Shamsi talking about. He shouts and has a lot of Anger while talking, Is Ibn Abbas(RZ) nothing to him (Na,ouuzubilLa) Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, put his hand on my shoulder and he said, “O Allah, give him understanding in religion and teach him the interpretation of the Quran.”

[@mukhtar768]

8:04 Ashari wouldn’t let shamsi talk coz he knows he will get demolished.

[@mohammedumarsiddiqui1944]

This is an absolute joke. The patience and knowledege of the brother with the kufi is praiseworthy. Bro Haji and Sp files is right.

[@gibean]

1:43 these asharis are like christians man ... just come out with it ... slimy shady for no reason

[@gibean]

@@Airhawker4 lol typical ashari snake ... trying to 'trap' ppl to do tasybih but instead projecting their own kuffarness

[@aaminakhan2332]

You do understand that the Salafis have a closer belief to the Christians. We do not believe Allah is in his creation nor do we believe he comes in and out of his creation. We don't believe Allah has hands or feet or eyes or a body.

[@givingmyresponse]

Shamsi bidah creed of nadji wasabi is just lacking understanding, and then when he’s wrong he runs !

[@soorayabamath489]

May Allah SWT protect my brother Shamsi

[@ShafiAshari]

Imagine pointing out to us? the ta’wil of the sahaba isnt the same with Ashaira?where did you get this knowledge shamsi?😂😅.

[@casacm2381]

He wants to tell you,which from Sahaba did tawil as you do???no one...if you as ashara ,think that you are more educated than Sahaba then go repent.

[@JustObserving7860]

it’s common sense ashari creed and definition isn’t the same as the salaf. very simple

[@ShafiAshari]

@@casacm2381 🤣, the Ashaira’s tawil are based upon the sahaba jaahil mukarrab who has no idea about the Ashaira. Thats why the point here whether the salaf is upon only ithbat and no ta’wil. the ashaira has the view of the salaf that it is ithbat and ta’wil.

[@ShafiAshari]

@@JustObserving7860 🤣omg people just commenting without knowledge. The Entire 1200 years of the Ahlussunnah its built upon by the Ashaira ulama be it maliki or shafi’i. the Ashaira are the successor of the salaf, jaahil mukarrab like you should learn ilm and stop blindfollowing your salafi scholars.

[@casacm2381]

@@ShafiAshari ok,mothakef ,where did sahaba Didi tawill on the hand ,eye,face ....of Allah...tell one sahabi who said the hand is the power of Allah??you repeat what you don't understand and your way to call me and others who disagree with you "johal" is not the way of salaf...it shows your ignorance rather than any thing else..poor man.

[@zaxzaman]

When ppl start lying when u want to talk abt truth (haqq), then it's time to move on. No point in engaging.

[@zp1232]

I have said this many times, shamsi is very good with his dawah. Same as shaykh uthman But when they come in front of people who have actually studied they get left stuttering

[@mrqas2000]

That’s how shamsi talks, he destroyed this guy, he got shamsi frustrated as he had bad manners and wasn’t letting him finish what he’s saying, so how do u want shamsi to be with a donkey like this Ashari

[@Letusbeguided]

These speakers Corner duat have their place but debating other learned Muslims is not it. Stick to debating kuffar. Mohammed Hijab is more learned at least to have a sensible discussion

[@mrqas2000]

@@Letusbeguided this Ashari was clearly lying from the start, and then lied upon a sahaba too and got caught out, the innovators who distort the religion are worst then the unbelievers at times, the unbelievers don’t believe but they don’t distort the religion like the innovators do, so it’s very important to teach and refute innovators especially in public so people can see their deceive and then follow the haq, instead of falsehood

[@zp1232]

@mrqas2000 shamsi didn't destroy anyone. This brother was trying to discuss a very specific topic on taweel and instead of engaging shamsi went from issue to issue. You take shamsi, his teachers from spubs and such as abu khadeejah and abu iyaad and they would schooled at pretty much any darul uloom in this country They have all studied very little and built a following beguiling those who.know even less.

[@mrqas2000]

@@zp1232 shamsi is a student of knowledge not even a shaykh or anything lol and still destroyed this Ashari sheikh or what ever he is meant to be lol the guy lied on what the sahaba said and even lied about being an Ashari from the start lol 😂 debating with an insincere person does not benefit shamsi or anyone

[@mukhtar768]

Yes shamsi rattles everyone. He lied when shamsi asked him r u ashari and he tried to hide.

[@acesrusselcloud5676]

People here are hitting on shamsi about his loudliness. Though it's not proper to become too loud I believe he just does it positively. Ashari is wrong.

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

Oh the brother is wrong cos you said so...

[@acesrusselcloud5676]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb ashari aqida is shirik

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

@@acesrusselcloud5676 OK bro... move on.

[@acesrusselcloud5676]

@@AmirKhan-pm8cb shamsi Through him many reverted to Islam. How about that ashari scholar? You can tell by the efforts who are sincere to our deen and not.

[@AmirKhan-pm8cb]

@@acesrusselcloud5676 May Allah give him reward for it. But he has mislead many like yourself to the Mad-kali way.

[@TomKatzman]

If Americans did this ....oh wait we have Congress and Politicians and Liberals and Conservatives and the beat goes on.......God/Allah save us all from radicals and zealots.🎉

[@YousafKhan-pv7fy]

Shamsi under pressure

[@Mohammed-lf7bk]

Point to be noted... how all the time you hear salafis saying they follow the quran sunnah according to understanding of the sahaba, but then when ibn abbas does taweel, shamsi says should we follow the Prophet or ibn abbas.... so when the companions opinions agree with the modern day salafis, they take them, but when it goes against them, they reject it..... this is called following desires and opinions

[@AbuZee1]

Deceptive and dishonest video title. Shamsi dismantled nothing but his own aql! He gets really agitated when his deviant wahaabi beliefs are critiqued.

[@molveees]

Guy came with taqiyyah, didn't want to say his ashari aqeedah, got burned and bruised within 5 minutes. Rest is history. So much dishonesty

[@filmyfun1]

00:05 from starting Ashari guy is more rude than Shamsi in video. Brainless ppl in the comments saying Ashari guy is cool Lol what a lie. We can hear Shamsi voice bit loud bcz he is wearing mic

[@AbdulHalim-zz2dn]

Why did shamsi run off

[@SaidEgypt]

Brother shams is brining forth clear evidence and the other guy is keeping on cutting cut

[@thevigilantone5902]

He always does that, He makes a point and declares victory and he runs way without giving the opponent a chance to reply while his yesmen yesmanning him

[@konstantinosskordos8645]

@@SaidEgypt no evidence at all..its how the pseudosalafis wahhabis behave...they dont even have a real method....

[@HanefiMadhab]

​@@SaidEgyptthey dont let him speak hahah and then shamsi ran

[@abdulwahid948]

I'm a just a neutral Muslim doing the basic by reading my salah etc. But 16:35 shamsi has been rocked. Why doesn't he let next man speak??? So cringy.

[@NoeticMuse]

Hmm. Hardly dismantled. Shamsi not on the level

[@jojoahmd123]

He is but you didn’t like what you heard

[@abdulwahid948]

8 minutes in, shamsi has had 7 minutes of time and also saying to the new guy in the hood, " you don't let me finish" shamsi approach is sooo bad wallahi!!! He doesn't allow other brothers to talk.

[@Qasimkhan-ng8jz]

Naa can’t lie I’ve always followed shamsi but this one made me rethink he lost this discussion lol can’t lie

[@DubSalvation]

Im glad you said you cant lie brother. You sound so much more truthful after repeating it again in the same sentence. I cant lie.

[@Qasimkhan-ng8jz]

@@DubSalvation aww sorry did it hurt your feelings shall I give you some painkillers you joke man

[@kotlianz]

You should watch more of sheik noorideen he has he's own channel a very learned and humble brother

[@mukhtar768]

19:07 asharis have no patience. Ek ghareeb utu batameez.

[@muhammadjameel4240]

Shamsi just kept repeating that he couldn't finish his sentences, yet he spoke for absolutely ages. And then he tried putting Abdullah Ibn Abbas in opposition to the Prophet ﷺ. Crazy

[@saqub2008]

Thats Salafis for you, they only follow the Salaf when it suits them and reject the salaf when it suits them

[@MUSLIMWARRIORhgtyjksn46892bskg]

"The ساق mentioned in this ayah has nothinf to do with Allahs ساق since the sahaba differed if this ayah is part of the Sifat or not". So asharis fail again.Ibn Abbas himself affirms Allah's attributes such as Allah's literal face . والثابت عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه إثبات الوجه لله تعالى ، فقد قال رضي الله عنه في قوله تعالى: (للذين أحسنوا الحسنى وزيادة) يونس26: (الزيادة: النظر إلى وجه الله). [اللالكائي (3/ 459) والبيهقي في الأسماء والصفات (ص133)].

[@AbbasAli-dm7lg]

Shamsi makes sense to those with a very narrow minded thinking, however people with a more broad intellectual mindset will understand why he is incorrect

[@hl8302]

Lol Yes it's very narrow minded to follow the Salaf and their teaching and leave out the innovations. Very narrow minded indeed. And the so-called intellectuals drown in philosophy and please themselves thinkin their understanding is better then the Salaf. You are quite right here.

[@Nuclear_Weopon]

​@@hl8302"salaf" lol😂. Isn't shamsi claimed that salaf didn't know fiqh, because no fiqh book was written then..😅 Seeth Saudi slaves

[@hl8302]

@@Nuclear_Weopon You obviously have the most basic level of comprehension.

[@mukhtar768]

21:06 shamsi asks its about haq the ashari says no no i wana talk about something else.

[@IronicIrony.]

This guy don’t let the other guy even speak more than 30 secs 😂😂😂

[@fw_uzayr2196]

Nah the ashari kid isn't answering shamsis question and going around in circles + he doesn't admit to being an ashari

[@IronicIrony.]

@@fw_uzayr2196 Clearly the Madkhali doesn’t wanna talk bro. Be genuine

[@Mohammed-by7ul]

Look at shamshis discussions in the past, he preaches then runs off

[@salttea8926]

​@@fw_uzayr2196love them both but Shamsi was talking sometimes let me finish and sometimes step by step.. What do you mean by that?

[@bigboywasim]

Shamsi got destroyed, he can’t pronounce the Quran correctly.

[@fuo228]

Muslims should have speaker corners in their original countries

[@Nuclear_Weopon]

Our governments will not allows that..as enlightened people may turn against their deep state

[@sofianee3580]

Shamsi in great danger ! You can see him drowning in his own sweat 😅