Builder Base 2.0 Was A Failure.

[@IceColdSid]

PURPOSE - is the strongest reason. Once you get the 6th builder, then there is no purpose left.

[@hufthenerd7135]

I just got the 6th builder right before hammerjam, and I have no intention of continuing with it

[@Auxlixe]

​@@hufthenerd7135thats such good timing

[@Mugchris]

There is still gem mine alongside clock tower. But besides those 3, yeah.

[@ravekiller.]

Clan games is huge, you get a ton of gems from clearing obstacles and you can get 19 gems every 3.8 days. Also you can use the daily clocktower to speed up gem production building

[@GorgiaOQueef]

@@ravekiller.yes but do you need to actively play the base to do any of those? No. Once you do the main things you have no reason to keep playing it

[@Holadrip]

Here are my problems. 1. The made it as 2nd main village but treated like a side base. 2. No updates, No events, No War (not even get hammerjam boost) 3. Harder to spam 4. Too Hard for casuals 5. Upgrade cost and times 6. Low resources 7. Like u said “No purpose” 8. The theme is so depressing

[@prasisDulal]

Only 6 is problem here

[@tafadzwa7688]

​@@prasisDulal the theme is so depressing I don't even play because of how gloomy it looks

[@abodieqwerty4678]

​@@tafadzwa7688that's the dumbest reason I've heard to not like builder base

[@blackmanta66]

​@@prasisDulali think the lack of updates is also an issue, we kind of need BH11

[@madd4799]

@@abodieqwerty4678its dumb, but true, the theme IS depressing

[@EricOneHive]

I’ll admit that I never really gave builder base 2.0 a chance, not because it’s not fun, but because it feels pointless. Great video as usual Ash

[@AshJer_CoC]

Thanks for the support, hopefully someday there’ll be a change which piques your interest, along with many others :)

[@Phoenix-vz8ji]

Builder base 1 was fine the only issue I had was the 1v1 side of it I never really enjoyed it was just frustrating to 3 star someone just to earn nothing while bb2.0 all they did was split the base in half and give everything abilities which was unnecessary tbh

[@monkeyD.yannick]

​@@Phoenix-vz8jiand the loot feels even worse to me. Probably because you only earn elex in defense. Such a stupid concept lol. Wonder how the one coming up with this idea didn't get fired instead

[@monkeyD.yannick]

Also we have to remember that attacks are now taking twice as long. Every aspect they wanted to optimize, they crushed it even more instead. Sometimes I tripple the first base and when switching to the second half, I just give up because it annoys me more and more. Before 2.0 you could lose when getting 100%. Now you can even lose when getting 200%. 🎉

[@nahudhmohamed9775]

I’d play builder base 2, if they gave us a new hero or something to main village

[@noseboi-coc]

shoutout to mans bro he's so passionate about the game. it's genuinely depressing that supercell simply ignores this man who truly loves the game and wants the best for it.

[@GoogleGoog-d8d]

Bro should be hired and the fact that these concepts are really good and he probably spends hours on these ideas just to be ignored by supercell

[@alexx12545]

It's sad when you look at the Clash Royale community struggling with some of the same problems and nothing is being done there either

[@Lucy_595]

He is creating documentaries by collecting info from the web and giving theories using some of his own experiences. That doesn't qualify as an official content creator.

[@NAVI_KIaus_coc]

Supercell will bow down to Klaus, aka the Lord of CoC.

[@Zenced]

Supercell and other great companies have already fell into downfall as they had made “diversity” main priority

[@dr.mayhem277]

One thing that I feel like doesn't get mentioned is that to make your best defenses better, you have to make them irrelevant for +1 week. That's like 10% of your defensive power just gone.

[@gamersreactions9267]

just put them in base 2 lol

[@Hey-zb4jq]

And they could fix this by just adding more defenses, but they just won't do that

[@filipkohout4704]

​@@Hey-zb4jqWell for builder base they want less defenses and number of troops, so every attacking troop has a purpose and the game is strategic(which builder base really is on the hogher level).

[@iamnamelessnfaceless]

Yes this is same as upgrading heroes.

[@definitelynotahorse]

one thing that i would like to mention (in my opinion) is how it does not feel satisfying to play on a game design level. my perspective is that of a pretty casual builder base player. with that said, my biggest issue with bb is that troops feel too weak and defenses feel too strong. it has gotten to the point where i feel like if i dont play absolutely perfectly i dont even make it to stage two. made one tiny mistake? say goodbye to a successful attack. this combined with the fact that the progression is notoriously slow and tedious makes the builder base feel more like a chore, rather than something i actively want to go out of my way to do.

[@AshJer_CoC]

this is super interesting to hear. A lot of players, myself included, find the game too easy. It’s a weird thing to try and balance because if the top players could have it our way, we would nerf the troops and buff defenses. But reading your comment, it’s made me realize that yea, if you make a mistake it usually costs you the battle. Even up here, after one mistake it’s usually over, and it takes a lot of skill to recover. I think they should definitely progressively balance the game. i.e the more trophies you gain, the more difficult it gets, that way for newer players it’s not a huge pain, but for pro players it’s not a walk in the park. I’m curious though, what BH are you? I know at lower builder halls, troops are typically worse as well.

[@definitelynotahorse]

@ im builder hall 10. almost maxed. it’s just not satisfying to play like the home village is, and part of me cant help but wonder if this is why supercell puts the bb on the back burner like they have been doing

[@phenom1153]

​@@AshJer_CoCI think skill celling is comparatively low but floor is very high Especially in lower bh, in lower th you could just bring an overpowered cc and clear without any trouble. In bh you HAVE to execute an attack almost perfectly. I'm bh 9 and I don't even look at the bases anymore I just put down 2 giants, 1 bomber with ability and 3 pekka and battle machine and close the game Come back and repeat till I get the bonus and repeat everyday. It's so frustrating that my th13 upgrades are shorter than bh9 Also I was SOO FUCKING EXCITED ABOUT HAMMER JAM IN BH AND THEY FUCKED US OVER.

[@AshJer_CoC]

YEAAA HAHA RIP HAMMER JAM I think builder base is just unintuitive, and throws players in a new system without showing them how to play. I’d love if they added challenge levels to help.

[@AshJer_CoC]

It’s definitely not their main focus due to a lack of general enjoyment yea

[@anthonyowens8822]

Hear me out, what if we just completely get rid of the loot system for upgrading buildings? You select a building to start upgrading, and then it requires a certain amount of stars before it’s done. That way there is much more visible progress being made, and it rewards players who want to grind out a lot of upgrades quickly. Also the quality of the attack still matters, but you still can make good progress as long as you get a few stars. Then idk if this would work very well, but what if the troop upgrades had the same type of thing but for stars defended. That way you are incentivized to upgrade both defense and offense equally, since they each depend on the other for upgrades. Also an idea for an event, we could have a weeklong tournament where you start a fresh new base and see who can progress the fastest. Maybe you could even start at certain BH levels. Have it cycle through the different levels depending on the week, so one week you start at BH 4 and the next you start at 5. This type of event would suck with the current loot system, but I think it would be fun with the star based upgrades system.

[@AshJer_CoC]

interesting concept!

[@Jona-j9j]

this is a good idea, you should raise it up to supercell

[@SontoshBhaktavatsalam]

If they were able to make a new loot system for clan capital, I don’t see a reason why they couldn’t do that here.

[@candice4835]

But then people could drop all pekkas around a base, force close, instant 3. You could make a base in like a day

[@Th3-WhOwOl3y-TrEeNiT3a]

The event idea sounds like warships in book beach.

[@mrmojorisin9068]

Add 'clan war' functionality for BH. One clan competing against another is core to clash's success and longevity. BH and Capital Hall both ignored this and have both failed imo. Without the raid medals no one would touch CH. Also add leaderboards and season resetting for the lower BH's. Maybe 3000 for BH7, 3500 for BH8, 4000 for BH9 with some small gem prizes at end of season and some simple profile badges. And yes fix the ridiculous matchmaking - BH7 vs rushed BH10's is a complete joke.

[@geared2cre8]

Definitely would make it more popular within the community

[@Lamelizard123]

I personally love clan capital, even without raid medals

[@Ratio429]

Clan Capital is a success. We don't need THREE different clan wars.

[@slurp3194]

Pointless buildbase isnt popular enough for that. It would only cause more problems. Home village just had years more of development and fan base. It would also spread the player base thinner causing more problems down the line. Main base should stay main base and build base needs a whole rework again. Maybe allow the transfer of resources from home base and builder base. Maybe take out the whole base building aspect of builder base and actually do something more unique with it. But Clan wars is absolutely not the solution. Supercell doesnt have enough resources to continuously release compelling update for both bases. The time needed for builder base needs to be reduced heavily

[@masterlegend6189]

The fun aspect can be extended in the following ways. 1)Practice modes which reward a good amount of loot based on your builder hall. Top players could help a lot here by designing the layouts and challenges catering for each BH and it should be interactive 2) Builder wars should be a temporary feature like the Goblin builder and it boasts a ton of rewards in itself including home village ore rewards. These rewards should be similar to the star bonus. 3) 2x star bonus every now and then. Disclaimer: This has the potential to be a problem since players can buy and abuse the Star Jar magic item. So a manual check of 24 hrs timeline should be implemented. 4) Ores in star bonus. Incentivises players to push more and get much better rewards. There are a lot of Th12, Th13 players in Titan league in HV due to the increased ore economy they get in those higher leagues. 24hrs check must be implemented here as well. 5) Ore mine new building in stage 2 which was built by Otto from the help of the magic crystals he had found. The master builder will be explaining how it functions and daily challenges will be available to claim 2-3 starry ore everyday or once every 2 days. 6) Versus battle return event to bring back players who loved the legacy of the 1st builder base. This is a temporary event and players can have all the fun they want. 7) A new trophy animation for someone who reached 5K trophies and the leagues beyond that. The league icon is static and should be animated for higher leagues. 8) Temporary events to try different armies other than just Baby drag and pekka spam in higher BH and drop ship minion and NW spam in lower BH. LOVE YOUR PASSION FOR THE BUILDER BASE ASHJER. IF YOU HAVE TIME PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS AND YOU MAY GET FURTHER INSIGHTS.

[@AshJer_CoC]

🙏🙏🙏 THANKS FOR DETAILED IDEAS i will write these down 🫡🫡

[@Gravy4]

Supercell just doesn't care about the builder base. Let me explain, town hall 17 is around the corner with hammer jam right now and their Clash Of Clans YT account mainly posts about the home village. When was the last time there was a night village video? Honestly it feels like it should be a separate game along with some caring supercell staff, even if the group is small. At least they would care. i don't know if it's too late but would the people even notice that the night village is gone? The lack of updates and the lack of the competitive scene makes this mode lazy. Supercell didn't even bother to give you a full refund when you accidentally start an upgrade in the night village. Back then they implemented that mechanic in the home village because people were holding their extra loot from attackers. But in the night village it doesn't work that way and you would think a supercell employee would of noticed that a long time ago. It's sad that this mode doesn't get as much attention but if the bugs keep going and nothing changes, then i don't see a future with this mode. At this point its only on here to fill your seasonal challenges and clan games.

[@RealKingFloppa]

No pls i like the 6th builder :(

[@Victor-ko6rj]

​@@RealKingFloppathat's the only reason why people play builder base to unlock the 6th builder and then stop playing that's what I did too

[@Connoisseur-xr6di]

@@Victor-ko6rj some people do enjoy builder battles , but I have never in past 6 months got a bh that is the same level as me , always higher bh,i like pushing both villages . I have been at titans 1 since th 11, but maintaining any trophy level in bh is simply too hard ,I am stuck at 2600 as a bh 8.

[@burgerkinghofer6916]

Same with upgrading walls. In the normal village it has a purpose that you need an builder when you want to upgrade a wall so you cant hide your loot but in the builder base its just annoying. Especially at season begin with goldpass when youre full of loot but you dont have a builder free and waste much of it.

[@gaemer3967]

Need it for clan games lmao

[@648]

the passionate speech at the end really hit hard - I'm not even closed to being maxed out yet, so this doesn't affect me that much, but I really wish the best for you. I hope they add atleast one more builder in builder base or add something else to do, when the builders are blocked

[@DaAbsoluteUnit]

Bro builder base 1 was actually mad fun idk why lmaooo I feel like I’m the only human who actually liked that shi tho😭

[@blackmanta66]

You are the only one who liked that 😂. Vs battles were so annoying and the attacks were just spammy because you needed the fastest 3 star possible

[@anthoox89coc8]

@@blackmanta66Non pas du tout. C'était bien mieux

[@blackmanta66]

@@anthoox89coc8 how was it better? Getting a 3 star 2 seconds 2 slow and dropping trophies? Spamming hogs in a circle to 3 star as quickly as possible? Not having to put 2 braincells together to do an attack? Having to actually use strategy and plan around limited troops and abilities improved the builder base so much, and that's not to mention the fact that if I six star and my opponent 6 stars I don't lose anything, before you'd lose 30 trophies for planning an attack instead of spamming

[@anthoox89coc8]

​@@blackmanta66En tant que joueur de l'époque, je peux vous affirmer ce que vous dites est non seulement offensant mais faux et réducteur. J'étais l'un des seuls à maîtriser les cochons au monde et c'était une technicité de haute voltige et des mois d'entraînement. Quant aux autres compos, il fallait simplement aller haut niveau pour les voir jouées correctement( peut-être cela vous était-il impossible ;) ), ce qui n'a pas changé, pas plus que le spam n'aurait disparu puisqu'il y a des attaques pekkas à foison, ou bien bb drag, qu'il y a des archers et des charrettes...bref

[@anthoox89coc8]

Enfin, au niveau du gameplay, s'il y a quelques améliorations indéniables malgré tout, la mécanique du rush était 1000x fois plus efficace avant, ce qui aujourd'hui est à regretter et qui est sans doute pour beaucoup dans le faible engouement qui existe autour du mode

[@Lushnia]

I am currently trying to max out the Builder Base on my alt TH4, and I've never struggled on my main TH14 like I have in the Builder Base without using any potions or hammers. It’s my second month on Builder Hall 6, and I haven't even gotten close to maxing it out yet, I keep getting crushed in wars because of the matchmaking, my loot pool is so small that I usually only average about 400k of each resource, while upgrades often cost over 1,3M+. I had to rush my TH5 walls, because I could only manage to upgrade 2_3 walls a day, plus I couldn’t use elixir for wall upgrades, so it was just piling up from a maxed-out Laboratory. I am currently taking a brake, but it's an absolute nightmare to enjoy it, the only thing that motivates me is that I'll get the 6th builder on my th4.

[@luckygaming2156]

Dude, the easiest way to max Bb is just do the walls last, i'm max Bh 10 with lvl 6/8 walls

[@Lushnia]

@@luckygaming2156 I did the same thing on my main, but I want to play BH as it's intended.

[@Ariel1039]

​@@luckygaming2156 heyy that's not maxed..

[@JustSomeDudee]

What I use the builder base for: 1) gems - both the gem mine and extra space for obstacles 2) 6th builder - I mean… 3) resources to burn for capital gold - why not, I’m not using it for anything else and it’s generating anyway

[@sayantansen6732]

17:29 Lack of Purpose. This just sums up the whole builder base . As some one who maxed it just for the sake of it , it's garbage without any reason. Gem mine , obstacles ( that's it ), nothing more .. Supercell needs to make the attacks and rewards connected it some way such that it impacts the main village, like they were able to sustain the clan capital .. Why not just add 3 ( an approx number) starry ores on the star bonus of builder base..., It would be an insta hit.... Personally, I don't think builder base being hard is a problem as long as it's rewarding . Annoying sure , but it would still work as long as it somehow impacts the main village . AND I Totally agree, 2 builders with week long upgrades with almost no loot is garbage . ( Just force quiting like a maniac , is not gameplay )

[@Abb-g3y]

I'm wondering at what trophies can yoube when you're maxed out ? 4000? I know it depends on your attacks skills but I wonder when defenses start to be difficult.

[@sayantansen6732]

@@Abb-g3y I was an avg attacker .. (Pekka spam for 4-5*) Walls took the longest... I landed around 5100 trophies while maxing my last wall piece .

[@h4cbdmusic]

Never ignore it to the point that the main village has a cool UI for every buildings or troops but BB doesnt have it 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@syeddabeer184]

I like how much nostalgia it give us

[@h4cbdmusic]

@syeddabeer184 me too but it makes builder base look forgotten

[@infernoml5839]

Supercell really needs to see this video

[@humbertolopezdimitri2593]

I wasn't even aware that leaderboards were bugged. That's crazy

[@foomer5943]

First of all, thank you for the video. As a returning player, who remembers build base being exciting (when it was added), it was a disappointment to learn they changed it. I am now in the process of rushing for the 6th builder and just feels like a chore, compared to the main village. It sucks that the upgrades are longer than upgrades in my main village. Also i want to thank you for including gameplay in the background, I learn a lot about higher level attacks.

[@FutureThrone795]

Ever since builder base was introduced, I've always felt like there was real potential with it. The small defense count really works towards a party-like game, and that's something that neither the Clan Capital nor the Home Village can replicate. There's a serious niche where the Builder Base lies, and I wish supercell would go into it further. Your idea of seasonal challenges and partylike gamemodes sounds so awesome, and I think the Versus battles, while flawed, had a lot of potential as well. Dynamically creating a base or utilizing an insane army of semi-random troops sounds incredible, and like I said- there's a niche there. Great video, I really hope Supercell can improve the Builder Base over time. I would love to play something like this.

[@cxst0r715]

Heres a concept i found pretty cool a story mode thats unique for every player. there will be certain tasks that rewards you. easy task = potions, resources and stuff (for home village). and as the tasks get harder u get more and more things like hammers, ores, builder boost for a certain time period, treasure chests, etc. these rewards MUST be home village focused cuz thats the only thing the player base cares about. the tasks can be as simple and fun as the events you mentioned, but also as unique and hard like fighting against a strong boss using ur heroes. the story mode can be something a bit twisty. like the master builder gets kidnapped and u have to find him, otto becomes evil, the battle machine loses control and breaks apart, night witch is taken over by an evil spirit. the possibilities are literelly endless. and after u finish every single thing, maybe u get a permanent hero im the home village(that can be used a replacement for another hero) if supercell does this, then BB will feel less of a grind, and more of a place where you can just relax and take a break from the 16 days clan castle upgrade. Just how it was meant to be.

[@n2ld3]

Despite the lack on competivity or purpose to invest time on BB, one major issue is just that's not fun at all and you don't feel personal skill progression unless if you lose hair trying to play CC/baby drag attacks, and pray every single moment to not hit a push trap..

[@AshJer_CoC]

it’s definitely annoying to learn how to play, it’s a huge amount of learning how to avoid traps / getting good enough to bring a camp or troops to test for them. I would be interested in trying to make it easier to learn how to play because it does get easier with time, but it takes a while

[@interalf6730]

A couple months ago when i was still a builder hall 5 i ended up being matched up against 3 max builder hall tens and 2 builder hall nines and ended up dropping 160 trophies which kicked me out of my league. It was very annoying, match making needs fixing.

[@dylan9924]

1. Make the daily bonus no longer daily, just make it an unlimited 12 star bonus. To incentivize playing. 2. Make clash royal style events, I love the idea of signing up for 50 gems with the potential to earn bb and normal base rewards per win. For 3 wins get some loot or a clock tower potion, 6 wins get a rune of bb elixir, for 12 get a legendary chest. Etc. 3. I love your ideas for events, similar to some clash royal events having everyone the same level bh with the same level troops makes it fair during events. 4. Love your ideas for having premade armies you have to figure out or again clash royal style you choose a troop your opponent gets the other. 5. They can keep the upgrade times so you don’t fly through the base and quit at bh10 but make it where when defending what you’re upgrading isn’t upgrading so you’re not significantly weakened. 6. Instead of the daily loot bonus maybe a daily chest bonus so there’s still a reason to play the bb that benefits regular base players beyond just the 6th builder as well as a reason to keep playing once maxed outside of trophy pushing. 7. As a casual player I do not like the idea of having one of the resources locked behind a specific stage because I may want to upgrade something but keep failing attacks and eventually I’ll get frustrated and quit. 8. I love your idea for leagues, as I pushed for trophies and would be matched against higher bh I would get upset and quit. But again ultimately the problem is more bad matchmaking than a bad trophy system but I still love this idea. 9. Walls. Possibly the worse aspect of the bb. I don’t know anyone with good walls. Bh10’s with lvl 3 wood walls. Don’t even have a suggestion just plz fix this. 10. Practice maps such as in the regular base, this would show players new attacks, they would earn rewards, see what maxed bases at each level are like. Moreover, this might be disliked but in lower trophy leagues such as under 4k, some bot bases. You don’t have to wait for an opponent, you won’t be mismatched because the bot will be equal to your base/ troops, similar to how you have to attack the master builder base in the tutorial. Hope these suggestions help. Feel free to critique them or add to them. 32:33

[@bybenzo9699]

The reason why upgrades take much longer to farm is because there are much less buildings in builder base. If you wanted to farm for an upgrade within 1 day then you would max the entire base in like 6 months. Supercell wanted to make upgrades in builder base to have more gravitas, thats why it is harder to farm for an upgrade but there are 10 times less upgrades there

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Yeah, but it still feels terrible to play. There's a good reason main village build and lab times have decreased over time.

[@ReeBoi17]

When I first got Builder Base and started playing. I thought "Man. This is a ton of fun." and I started upgrading everything. Walls included before moving on. Then the witches came. I get 200%'d 80% of the time from straight witches. Which is kind of a bummer. Makes all my time and effort feel wasted, but I love grinding and attacking on it. Nice little break from the main Clash of Clans which gets too intense the further town halls you get. I love the mini base, and I will keep playing on it, because it's still so much fun. I am almost a maxed Builder Hall Level 7. Star Bonuses are plentiful, especially since I don't play it every day. I have multiple accounts running, and I play Builder Base on all of them. More consistently with my main account though of course, but I find it super enjoyable. Also, the progression is slower because there are less builder halls than town halls. They have continuously slashed the times on the regular base to make it easier to get up to the newer Town Halls. After you get the 6th builder. Try to max out your base. Once it's maxed. Wait for more updates. You can even use your Builder gold and elixir for Capital Gold and work on Capital Peak. There is a lot more purpose than you think. I actually like the Gold upon attack, elixir upon getting attacked method for things. Not every trophy pushes, and cool for those that want that, but it's not important to me. I'd love for them to create a 3rd base too in the builder base. Just- Keep on going. Or even having it to where I have free reign of where I can put my stuff. Like all walls on the first base. I want to have more freedom. If they added a base that was just for pure enjoyment, and not any rewards, or progression, or upgrades. I probably would not play it. Unless it had upgrades and you could just play all the time. Then I would definitely play. I need progression. Not just a standardized way of playing. I think the point of having wait times is to ensure that there is always something to do, instead of just instantly getting it. Having Builder Base Clan Wars would be fun too. I feel like that would push people to stop rushing their bases. A 1 minute build your base and attack with the same troops may be interesting- But I wouldn't play it. I don't like luck or chance, or heavy skill. I like to over level in games and play it that way.

[@Coronavirus-yl7mq]

When the builder base initially came out, I played it a lot. I played it to pass time while waiting for long army training and building upgrades in the main village. But now there is just so much going on in the main village, that I almost don't have a moment of boredom that I want to skip doing something else.

[@vince_sad]

bro you eloquently just put all my frustrations into words. thank you 🙏 i’m glad i’m not the only one who feels this way

[@smft9147]

amazing video, hope they will hear you out

[@ShinigamiGrin]

It was supposed to be a time killer while you had nothing to do, when training an army took hours and there where not all the goods we have today to speed things up. It was the biggest mistake, made when they were smaller and didn't have the current resources to better develop the main village, with stuff,events and everything. It's a secondary feature and it should always stay this way. By this I mean sure it can be improved, but never as a priority and while waiting for such improvements nobody should really care, coc is the main village.

[@sebastianlindebark5982]

Nice vid, we've missed you 🫶 Lowkey new troops in stage 2 would make it pretty neat, or the removal of one of the reinforcement-camps 💪

[@larshaver8561]

Stage 2 sucks because attacking serious just take to much time. I want to attack one base for decent loot and not 2 for not even that much more loot

[@nope9183]

I agree with adding more and giving it time. They should experiment in the builder base with events, any and all events. The reason is because its where the MASTER builder is, he is a master of building anything so I'm sure he can make anything happen. Merged buildings, new test buildings, weird traps, wacky troops, or even have a villain that the master builder can't defeat like in Boom Beach. Where as a community we can help the master builder defeat his creations in the base attack and we get parts, loot, gems, whatever as a thanks. Plus, like in Boom Beach, have a leaderboard on who does the better, faster attack.

[@Rytsarckly]

I think it would be really nice to have new links between the builder base and the home village, for example the 6th builder. With the new hero mechanics that will be introduced in TH17 where a new hero will be added but you can only use 4, having the option to being able to use the battle machine/copter from the builder base could encourage those players to max their builder base heroes. On top of that, maybe in the future, there could be a builder army camp in the home village where you can maybe use 1 or more builder base troop(s) into your main attack, meaning that it could also help with people upgrading other troops in the builder base to get that advantage! I strongly believe that the 6th builder helped its popularity to begin with and adding more of those links in between bases could actually make it even more popular! Of course, if that would ever happen, it would be for newer high town hall levels, but I think it would be so much more fun and interesting as well! Not only it will help with the home village meta, but it will also bring a new life to the builder base where it will have no choice but to have new updates to make it better and have more content!

[@burger_kinginator]

they should add something in the builder base that would allow you to get ores, so that you gain more from it than just a sixth builder, but instead make it worth playing or grinding. Builder wars would actually be goated, but the rewards should just be things to help you in the main base so it is worth the hassle.

[@VictiniTheGreat]

Supercell please see this video and take note. The builder base needs more purpose for people to care. I like the idea of unlocking rewards for home village, and I love the suggestions to have 0 upgrade time and rework the loot system to really make builder base fill the waiting gap. It is also on SC for not hosting more tournaments surrounding BB. Along with these changes, it would get people to actually care about BB. Would personally love to see BB become a way to upgrade builder apprentice over slamming him with gems, and as a better way to get ores. Potentially add a passive way to get shiny and glowy ore, and starry ore from doing well in attacks

[@huyucoding]

Damn dude, your ideas are so good! I shared this video in judo's server so maybe he will see it and share it to supercell. hopefully it will become the future

[@trissieplays3976]

I think I couldn’t have said it better than you AJ. The 7 problems were spot on and I think your solutions are also pretty good! Especially the end really hit me, you can see (and I know) you really care about the BB. And let me tell you, you’re not the only one! I also really love it . I am also a (sub) top player and I pushed myself thought the 7 problems and yes it was thought. What helped me was watching your videos to get better at the game. Now I’m also live on tik tok sometimes streaming builder base attacks and I also get the feedback that people really dislike, but they like to see me play cause I’m “good” at it. I think thats also a big problem. People can’t get better at the game cause the 7 problems you talked about are just holding them back. I also have a thing I would really wanna see added in the BB (in the second stage, or possibly in a third stage) is spells. Just some small spells (1 per attack). Maybe a rage or a heal who is there for 8 seconds. Maybe a jump spell, a batt or skeleton spell. Nothing game changing. Just a spell that when dropped correctly it can give you a nice benefit in the game. One other solutions for the purpose of the builder base is just adding new content… I think that isn’t talked about enough, why don’t they add a new BH. Why don’t they add a new defence, why don’t they add something like spells. And lastly the promotion of new content is also a big thing. I think we can all remember the time BB 1.0 tot released. Mennn that was some massive stuff. So when they will be adding new content, supercell also have to promote it! And like we all know everything is a loop, so when they will be adding new content ofcourse the upgrade and loot system HAVE to change. This was something I really wanted to say on this topic. Lets all pray that better times are coming for the builder base.

[@kelvencuriosity6143]

Jem mine carrying my whole Village 🗿

[@Capt.Bryanm]

I actually love builder base 2.0; new troop mechanics and strategy type gameplay. I am a builder hall 9 still trying to max out, i actually find it fun because of the quick strategy type gameplay. I have always been a good attacker and because of that, i have always been put up against higher builder halls. This has made me a really good attacker and i regularly take down builder hall 10s. Im only a th13 and i saw the builder base as a way for me to finally be on some sort of leaderboards on coc(when i hit bh10). Watching this made it pretty discouraging to me how the top players win trade and how the trophy system sucks. I watched the full video and a lot of the points you made (probably all) were on point. I always found it sad how people just rush the builder base just for the 6th builder. From my experience it makes it harder for lower builder halls because we just get paired up against higher rushed builder halls. Sure its helped me become a better attacker but it sucks when I'm trying to practice against my own builder hall and only find rushed bh10s 6 times in a row. I agree with all your points about the loot system and what not. I especially love the idea of a tournament system like the tournaments from clash royale. Tournaments could be a fun way to earn extra loot and be competitive with other players. Builder base clan war might not work because i don't see my clanmates actually caring about builder base unless supercell gives builder base more of a purpose. All the event ideas you had were really cool. I like imagining an endless gamemode; infinite stages where you see how far you can get and there could be a leaderboard for this. Just a thought tho with lots of tweaking. I would also love builder hall hero equipment but that might be a stretch lol. Although if they found a way to reward players with ore in the builder base with builder base events, it could help the homevillage aswell. Builder base was originally a side village which is why they originally only gave 3 daily star bonuses. This made the village boring tho and i agree, that they should give it a "fun" purpose. I have watched a lot of your videos to learn some strategies and help me with base building. I really hope they do something to help this village. I have yet to see a youtuber talk so passionately about bb2.0 without just stating the same reasons like "boring" and "gamepla". I love the attacking mechanics and i hope they do something about it. Im not going anywhere anytime soon. Im here supporting you man. I hope supercell sees this because you make some amazing points and a lot of your solutions sound really good. Amazing video.

[@AshJer_CoC]

DUDE THE ENDLESS GAME MODE that’s sounds so cool actually !!! definitely hesitant to add hero gear hahha but i do like a lot of your points you made as well

[@justapotato7366]

I have kind of solutions for stage 2 ones you unlock it at bh6 it will have 30 more walls and 3 new scrap tiles that can have multiple forms of defenses you can switch between them and in bh7 you get a new major defense that act like the eagle artillery (need a number of units to be activated and cover the entire base) those are only placeable in stage two

[@x5h0tsnip3rxx4]

The builder base is just my passive gem farm from trees and mine lol

[@sunwoo429]

great video, you made some really good points, hope we can see more improvements made from the builder base in the future

[@Gondor-i1y]

bro this is just so true everything you said. i find myself only collecting the mines and pumps and never attack at all anymore. whenever i get enough recources i do one of the last missing upgrades and thats it. I really hope Supercell listens. like at all i have problems with my supercell ID and tried to contact them since summer but the support feauture is „currently unavailable“. i feel like ist not even getting fixed anymore. I really hope theyll start listening to their community and work together with their players.

[@BerniiGames]

I'd like to see an versus-battle event where all troops (and the hero) deployed are constantly applied with a poison, which drains a fixed percentace of their life every second. So essentially put every troop on a time limit, kind of like the old cannon cart passive ability. Then make it so that higher HP troops lose HP faster than lower HP troops. So that way, if your troops are theoretically not attacked at all, your archers and barbarians will live longer than a power pekka. I think this would create interesting strategies.

[@manosamal2953]

That was heartfelt. Well said Aj. Builder base has so much potential not just a side quest but even as a separate game.

[@bongjiggy]

17:20 In my opinion instead of removing reinforcement camps, just add more defenses, specifically special defenses from clan capital. Rapid rockets at BH6 along and perhaps even add a couple of spear throwers at BH6-10. Super wizard tower at BH7. Rocket artillery at BH8, Blast bow at BH9, and 3x3 inferno tower at BH10 would solve the issue with everyone getting 3 stars, and of course a little more walls.

[@bongjiggy]

And if this makes attacking too hard, add more army camps and reinforcement camps. Imo there just needs to be MORE, more special defenses past BH6, more army camps, more time as well.

[@tijmen6947]

I agree with most of these. I have maxed the builder base and basically never touch it anymore. I think your idea of having a few minutes to build a base is really great. Put the builder in builder base. Make it creative and truly fun. Id like to see the icons of full collectors disappear if a player is max. It's an eye sore to me.

[@baskpro8232]

Random Ideas 1. Add Clan Wars for Builder Base. Increases Loot gained and more content. 2. Let us Supercharge Gem Mine/Clock Tower. Adds purpose to maxing builder base. 3. Give us more loot and ore with Builder Base Daily Star Bonus. Gets us to attack even if we have 6th builder already. 4. Builder Base Events ? Challenges ? More chances to earn Builder Base Resources and Ore/Magic Items. 5. Equipment for Troops ? Spells ? Would take some money and time to get it done but would increase playtime at least

[@AhmedMohamed-ue8ee]

man its my frist time watching you but I litrelly can feel your passion to the BH through the screen dam. i pretty much play it a couple of times a day to have fun get the star loot and that's it. if supercell actually listened to you I think it will be awsome good luck dude

[@cradleplus4255]

Lol currently, playing builder base feels like doing a part time job with no incentives

[@captainphoton1693]

the issue with builder base not having a point. is that builder base shouldnt feel like a chore to have acess to some main village purpose. it should feel like a game on its own. builder base players being abe to play main village for fun, and main village being able to play builder base for fun. the best idea i have would be have a sort of proto building like in boom beach. where starting t th 8 or 9 idk. a new building, a builder parcel, would be obtainable. this building fill a 3by3 space. and would be a place where the master builder could send a deffence from the builder base from the builder base onto a boat. the building would be built in a factory (more explantation later) a new building in the builder base. and there would be a stock of at least 2 queued up buildings. thoses buildings could be made using a new ressorce, owned majortairly through a new sort of clan war system for the builder base. and would serve other purposes there through the factory. but the few that you gain from your daily matches can be enouth to sustain the required amount for your main base. 2 to 3 star bonus a week. and if you do more this week, then you could make more and store them for a time you dont wanna play builder base. thoses buildings in the main village would sowly break with each defenses, the buiders there, not being able to fully repair them. and thus fully disapearing once theyre broken for good. leaving the parcel empty so that there isnt a large one in your base. if you think that idea is cool. please do not hesitate to talk about it to devs. if they ever talk to you about builder base ideas. im fully aware of issues. but they want a different system than wars, different reward and all. so this part is coming anyway. but the proto building idea is one ive never seen thrown around.

[@ardurabangarang7397]

Awesome video. I hope for a rework to the Builder base one day.

[@darklord4257]

now, CRAZY idea. what if they turned the 6th builder into a new hero and/or new defence. this new hero/defence could then use the new materials gathered in the builder base (similarly to what you mentioned) as the only method to upgrade it to encourage grinding them in the builder base. other idea, the builder base could also have a "forge" (similar to the capita gold one) that can use the new materials you mentioned or simply extra gold/elixir to forge ore for the main base finally, the rewards for the events you mentioned could simply be ore for the main base

[@luckygaming2156]

This is honestly so true, and all your ideas are amazing, I hope supercell sees this!

[@DANIEL_03965]

bro, 100% agree, after you unlock the 6th builder the only use of the builder base is speed through clan games, and you can't really push because at higher leagues you lose as much as you gain pretty much every attack

[@ianthethird420]

Commenting to bump. Supercell needs to see this.

[@TheTyphoon365]

I always thought it should've been a friendly Goblin village that you could build up and trade resources with your home village with, and also trade with other clan members by sending wagons of materials with a chance of it failing it not properly protected from other gobs

[@voltech9877]

What if there was a way to fabricate magic items for the home village as an incentive to play the builder base?

[@nuggetsaregood]

Ashjer FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO. I'm a big fan who watches all of your videos and this was a much needed video. I as a builder base enthusiast who wants to get maxed out and push trophies have to face these problems. I agree with everything you said here! The biggest problem I've faced is with the farming system and the progression. I'm at 3000 trophies and try to push but can't due to the bad matchmaking system where maxed out players always 6 star my base even if I always 6 star in my attacks. So,I always stay in the 3000 trophy range and can't go higher or lower. I'm trying to max out and get the buildings to level 9 atleast and I've got some good defences to level 9 including cannons, archer towers and double cannons and currently looking forward to upgrade crushers and firecrackers. But, I swear the bad farming system makes it a lot worse as at this range I've to do 20 attacks atleast to get 1 million of gold and that means I've to almost do 80 attacks to get 4 million gold and those attacks too have to be 6 star to get the max loot. The farming system fs needs a revamp and the progression system too as I've to wait 8 days for a level 9 upgrade and with 2 builders this gets difficult a lot. I agree the builder base should be a lil difficult and 2 builders are actually okay for the builder base but it does need a new loot system and a new farming system. Also, if the wintrading is countered by supercell and also a good matchmaking system takes place. We the players of builder base would be very happy. I'll also put a post on reddit and try to make other people or builder base enthusiasts like me speak for these changes. Thank you for making this video. Wish you good luck.

[@AshJer_CoC]

🙏❤️❤️ hopefully some change will come. 8 days for level 9 is CRAZY hahah but it’s interesting you’re fine with 2 builders. I haven’t upgraded lower level bh in a bit, so i’ll trust your judgement though!

[@christabb8481]

WE NEED BUILDER BASE WARS!! Ive been saying this for years. Allow clans to start 1 war each day that last 8 hours long. You get 2 attacks like normal wars but since the 2nd base is hidden, allow players to re attack the same base if they choose. This would bring a more clan shared engagement with Builder Base and allow for more ore earning opportunities as well.

[@Bad3abdul]

agreed

[@source3nergy203]

Damn, you’re thinking up quite the storm of ideas for the builder base and for most of it I agree completely, it’s fun but just needs what the home base needed years ago time, attention, and creativity

[@nevertrumper8483]

I just recently maxed out one of my builder bases. I enjoy playing the builder bases. The issue is that it is too hard to get ranked. I would love to see builder base wars.

[@erojerisiz1571]

1. Turn the zappies into more OTTOs 2. Allow players to skip bases 3. Same builder hall attacks only regardless of trophies 4. Same looting system as home village 5. Pretty much same attack system as home village except no training times and online bases only 6. Let home village defenses be geared up as early as level 1

[@andreimiga8101]

I feel like each of the problems described has an easy solution: 1. Bad Farming Mechanics: This honestly has the easiest solution, which is to bump up the star bonus loot so that you only require at most 2 of them for any upgrade. Also, make the star bonus more frequent, require more stars (let's say 25-30) and also add defense stars to it. This preserves the intended mechanics of "you need stars to gain loot" and "a good defense is just as important as good offense" while also not capping the amount of loot you can earn. You win 3 6-star attacks and also gain a few stars on defense, you start an upgrade, wait 2 hours and you can farm again. 2. Bad Match Making: Disallow opponents that are more than 1 Builder Hall level away from you from showing up. Or compute the general strength of the base, and if it's too far off, don't match it. It's not perfect, but it ensures at least some form of fairness which isn't present right now. 3. Bad Progression: I feel like a good balance exists if the time it takes to max out a Builder Hall is roughly the same as the time it takes to max out the equivalent Town Hall. Since you unlock Builder Hall 2 at Town Hall 4, there's a 2 level difference, so for example, maxing out Builder Hall 8 should take the same amount of time it takes to max out Town Hall 10. This, of course, implies reducing a lot of the upgrade times, considering only 1/2 builders are available. Another possibility is to make the times even shorter so that at BH9 or BH10 you are effectively lined up with TH9/TH10 and from there they can continue to add more. 4/5. Bugged Leaderboards/Competitive Scene: I am not a top player so I can't really speak for this one. 6. Stage 2: The idea itself isn't horrible. The point of it is to prevent an attacker from knowing the entire base from the beginning. However, I feel like you need a LOT more defenses on it for this to work. 7. No Purpose: The fundamental problem is that the Builder Base isn't well integrated with Clans. The only Clan feature that is Builder base related are Friendly Battles. Stuff like Clan Games aren't really taken into account here, because you don't participate with your clan in Builder Base specific activities - you just complete some challenges. To fix this, the main pillar that must be added are tournament-style battles, just like Clan Wars work in the Home Village. And then you can also have some form of CWL, which is more competitive. This will force players to learn how to play and upgrade their Builder Base, because it is required for activities within the Clan. Lastly, there's a problem that wasn't really discussed: the troops lack variety (that's a problem for the Clan Capital too). The only troop which isn't basically the 1-1 counterpart of any Home Village troop is the Cannon Cart. Some of them are OK and provide different gameplay from Home Village: Sneaky Archer, Bomber, Night Witch and Electrofire Wizard. But Raged Barbarians, Boxer Giants and Baby Dragons are effectively the same - Baby Dragons ARE the same. I believe that the Builder Base should have different troops, why can't they add unique new troops like they do in Home Village (e.g. Headhunter, Dragon Rider, Electro Titan, Root Rider, Druid)?

[@madbov6106]

supercell needs to see this

[@AshKetchum39]

Tip: spam your whole army, close the app and you get your gold and elixir slowly but steadily. One hour of that and you will max your whole storage’s in under an hour

[@ticksunbs4944]

Ideas for the purpose of builder base 1 Gem mine should produce ores (it makes sense) 2 forging builder hall gold/elixir into clan capital medals should require the builder hall builder instead of home village ones 3 gem mine supercharge that lasts for 10 hours (5x speed boost) so maxed players can spend their loot 4 more builder base achievements with a larger gem reward 5 Clock tower should speed up barracks, spell factory and hero respawn time Clock tower cooldown can be reset by spending builder hall gold/elixir

[@bonzo2842]

I think they should make builder base part of the war and CWL system. After you attack the home village base in war/CWL, you then attack their builder base. Your stars are determined on both attacks. This would reward people who,spend time on builder base and force people to pay attention to their builder base. Like some have said, currently there is no reason to play after getting the 6th builder. Make it part of war!

[@godpro4life]

I hope they fix builder bass.

[@deathboitechnobladeneverdi7918]

I loved the 2.0 update, but just after it i got the sixth builder and i just go back for clan games and pass challenges, it needs some other rewards other than the sixth builder, my idea is like to have something of a mix between the raid weekend and clan wars where we lets say on Thursdays we start a builder base war and get some more raid tokens or tokens for a different shop

[@charlesblouin677]

To avoid inflation, just make that when the season end, you have 5 days to do your defense before the leaderbord is final. You could even add à stat defense left so you can follow live.

[@Adrak-Hiano]

When I upgrade the battle machine : "well I'm not doing builder battles for a week now"

[@nathan_tm24]

I think another issue is the play time when you attack. Let me explain, in the main village when you do an attack, you are constantly playing, putting spells, hero hability, etc. But in this mode, the only time you actually do something is in the first 20 seconds and after that you just wait and watch… it’s boring

[@bongjiggy]

I feel like if they allowed us to choose between spam (old troop style) and strong (new troop styles) it would be more fun. Like choosing between taking old style multiple baby dragons without abilities and with weaker stats, or the singular baby dragon with stronger stats and abilities.

[@lazy_guy_2525]

Wait it got a cave? I was still stack in the times when training troops were costing elixir and took idk how long to train.

[@syeddabeer184]

My idea for spells : A defence or building should drop spell to be used just like squad Busters

[@corecontrol2642]

Another issue I want to point out is the trophies. You can win as many battles as you want but as long as the other player keeps 6 starring you then you won't get anywhere IF ANYTHING your loosing progress.

[@ieatcarsyum8248]

Great video man you seem like you genuinely love this part of the game and I hope they can fix it for people like you

[@stephenblack8698]

All of the problems you listed were spot on

[@Foxbosun]

All of my frustrations i have with builder base, even ones I had but didn't know how to put into proper words were outlined here. I hope this cry into the void gets heard by the higher-ups and something gets done after TH17 release. I used to love builder base and I'd love to love it again one day.

[@SurajSahi-d5v]

Your loot system rework suggestion is very stupid. One simple thing they could do is to increase star bonus drastically Which prevents the heavy grinders from exploiting and also benefits casual players

[@zazzaboo4955]

an idea to fix trophies (except win trading, idk how to fix that) have 2 separate trophy totals, cumulative and net. cumulative would include attacks without a defense and net would only include attacks that are matched with a defense. the way i would have it in my head is you could do, lets say, 20 attacks right before the end of a season. if you took no more defenses before the end of a season, none of them would count since you didnt take a defense to potentially counteract it.

[@Adrak-Hiano]

Finally an honnest critique You mention everything that's wrong with it 👍

[@ironwolf3554]

To be frank, i only really use the builder base for the multi upgrades, the free gems, and the gold pass or clan games challenges; it’s fun for a little while, until I’m inevitably reminded how stacked the odds are against me, and how hard it is to make any meaningful upgrades in the BB (not to mention that each upgrade cripples me for a week)

[@notfalcon]

i agree its so painful to grind builder hall , it would be impossible if raid medal shop didnt exist

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202]

The only purpose the builder base serves is getting easy medals during clan games

[@YuutaOkkutsu_]

Hope supercell see this video

[@jtbasham9903]

It sucks that it has all these problems cause when I don’t got anything going on i go to the builder base😢

[@chiller99]

I just maxed my builder base a few days ago, and now there isn’t no reason to go there anymore. Other than for gems. I think some sort of social event in the builder base could do a lot. Like the raid weekend. I’m not sure what idea could be done. But I hope it would be something different than clan wars or raid weekend.

[@TheCheeseSnatcher]

It has improved from what it was, but I remember I had a glitch where i just didn't get any defences for ages. Wasn't trying to trophy push just getting resources to max. Ended up with 6700 trophies without playing much... but then eventually it caught up and after reset I had under 4000

[@mabuhay1480]

Do you expect Supercell to do something about this? They're probably preoccupied on what cosmetics they'll adding next. 😤😤😤

[@ninjabunny1951]

I think a fun event would be everyone makes a base, but there is a 3rd and 4th stage and you never get more army camps. This would make it so you try and see how far you can go without reinforcements.

[@Mohammed_Aly]

There're a lot of valid points pointed out in the comments, one more I would like to add is that the fact that you can't skip to the next base, like why am I forced to gace this whether it's easy or hard. Low reward/resources and not a lot of freedom

[@eljipito]

Shout out to AJ that always bring the best video

[@SontoshBhaktavatsalam]

I completely agree. I love the fighting mechanics, but it really needs to be more rewarding. I really hope Supercell starts to focus on fixing these 7 problems before or they work on TH18.

[@SontoshBhaktavatsalam]

When I said before, I meant put some consideration towards builder base as they work on TH18

[@Niltenstein]

Personally, I think the biggest reason is the feeling of progression. Grinding resources is super boring, as most attacks play outmatched same with the limited building options, and you get so little for each attack. Since you only have 1(2) builder(s), it makes sense to go for the direction of meaningful upgrades every few days or smth, but with the boring grind it feels like putting in a bunch of work for one upgrade, only to then be back at zero and start over again, since one upgrade takes up like 2/3 of your max storage! And the troop levels are so inflated that you have to commit a ton of elixir for meaningless upgrades that don’t add anything really. Not even cosmetic changes! If they would just make resources more abundant, I think the builder base would *feel* a lot more rewarding to play! And also, it should get boosts and wars and hammer jam like normal base, supercell shouldn‘t be suprised it‘s underutilized when it‘s only relevant for clan games and season quests!

[@caleanwatts8450]

We need builderbase wars where you only get 1 attack but the war times can be shorter.

[@CentientBeing]

Ez fix: 1) Revert some of the nerfs they did that killed certain army comps. 2) Give players the ability to Skip during match making, or just balance the entire matchmaking system of the game by locking it to Same BH, TH, CH level match ups. 3) The Farming Cycle and the cost of upgrades aren't feasible especially with the bad matching. 4) Buff the Helipad Hero, and add more Troops. 5) Add a New Hero to choose from during hero down times. Thumbs up if you agree 🔥

[@johnarnold6623]

So, as a max builder base guy, the only enjoyment I get is to see how many times I can get 100%, then start to watch the attack on my base before the other guy gets under 50. I keep my trophies low so I can clan game fast