Ashkenazi Vs Sephardi: WHO IS RIGHT?

[@edrozenrozen9600]

We do it all for Hashem. We are both right! Unity for Jews everywhere!

[@reshbet]

Amen!

[@theraabimelech]

Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ69mp6AoL6FjKs

[@zephaniahblack1725]

Not exactly. There are many atheists among us and still proud to be Jewish.

[@troyeriepa557]

Hashem is not a Jacobite by birth right of the divine kings The master of the Universe in Abrahamic Teachings of Saul Of Tarsus who first preached to the sinagogues of Jerusalem who occupy Christian & Muslim holy lands

[@Dg78421]

We are all one nation. The uniqueness of our traditions IS BEAUTIFUL, as they are all rooted in the same history.

[@mr.v2689]

Tradition of scheming and swindling? Stealing? Co-opting? Lying? What’s is a gohim?

[@Yosaif-Israel]

@@mr.v2689 It means the arrogant ones 😂😂😂😂 you think you know it all but yet end it with a?

[@mr.v2689]

@@Yosaif-Israel arrogant ones would be y’all. stop lying to me everyone including yourselves.

[@mr.v2689]

@@Yosaif-Israel only group with a derogatory term for everyone else. Seems unusual to most.

[@mr.v2689]

@@Yosaif-Israel and also most questions end with a question mark. No?

[@larisan5174]

Pointless discussion. We are ALL Jewish and that is ALL that matters!! I m Sephardic woman happily married to Ashkenazi man and our children growing up learning about both cultures. Our cultures are different but we ALL have one Hashem.

[@theraabimelech]

Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ69mp6AoL6FjKs

[@pocophone2010]

Geneticists classified jewish Europeans in European genetic pool

[@JackDavidsen]

@@pocophone2010 Did you know that statements made even by people with a degree in genetics can be biased and not completely correct? You should check out how Jewish ancestry gets verified. While nobody will try to refute that most Jews of European diaspora have European genes, the statement you refer to is quite easily to disproven. Give it a try. ;)

[@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic]

​​​​@@kazzandra3141😆 that s hard and you can see where i m coming from. The discrimination exists also between the ashkenazim as well😊 it s NOT only towards the other jews. And this is probably stems from the pronunciation s difference. " Mine" for example is based on the Galizianer yiddish. I might get mocked if someone uses like the Lithuanian pronunciation or something else.

[@isaacgoldin4998]

What minyan do you all daven at? Ashkenaz or Sephardic?

[@christinewickham6140]

I love that this debate was filled with fun and laughter! Thank you for discussing the differences in implementation of Jewish beliefs in such a kind way.

[@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic]

I didn't see it though 😂I saw an underlying background of concealed irony... It was awkward to see fake laughters.

[@jeremytheimer7443]

I was raised Ashkenazi. I have recently learned about Sephardi culture and I love learning more.

[@marleneburdett9241]

This was so much fun and informative

[@heinrizliyaputra7811]

What a friendly and fun yet informative debate!

[@jaysilverstone7221]

Ashkenazi Dad, Mizrachi/Sephardi Mum and can say that the latter is more firmly rooted in the heart which is the essence of the Jewish life. The Askenazi approach seems to miss the point .

[@Yosaif-Israel]

Or maybe you didn’t get the authentic Ashkenazy experience as it’s not a monolith Ashkenazi Jews come in many flavors

[@jaysilverstone7221]

​@@Yosaif-Israel different shades of grey

[@Yosaif-Israel]

@@jaysilverstone7221 No

[@474fsde]

Some Ashkenazi were Khazar converts and don’t have any Jewish DNA

[@jaysilverstone7221]

@@474fsde DNA doesnt define judaism, the mitzvot do. You're applying a modern lens to a tradition that goes back 3500 years

[@Einoidmilvada]

I think the next debate should be to find similarities between different fractions. As he pointed out we are more connected than divided. What is the need to stress our nuanced differences. We are so intertwined, and ONE. They both equally contributed a lot to our history.

[@rtwoods]

Everyone knows its Sephardic it started with us and will continue to grow through us.

[@Mk-vd9qs]

Pure nonsense! Seward is Spain, jews do not originate from Spai , thet csme to Spain thousands of years after the creation of the jewish nation!

[@Yisħoq_HaLevi]

We are all Jews, no matter origin. From an Ashkenazi Jew

[@הנסיכה-צ9נ]

No, it started with us Mizrahim

[@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic]

😂What? Sorry akhi but Israel became again a country thanks to ashkenazim. You all upload videos on utube boasting with some yemenit n sfardit hagioh and it sounds modified Arabic... No way this BS is hebrew. On the contrary if someone listens to the holy ashkenazi pronunciation,he can feel the grandeur of the language,as it sounds UNIQUE 😊

[@Einoidmilvada]

I love this debate. After all we cherish and respect and do things on boths sides of the aisle. Safardic Jews learn Rashi and the Ashkanazi Jews learn Rambam At the end of the day the differences are only nuances. At the end of the day we are all one people.

[@theraabimelech]

Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ69mp6AoL6FjKs

[@8xXcoolbeansXx8]

All Jews “originate” in the land of Israel. The diasporas are what has influenced enough to differentiate between Jewish communities, but all are Jews due to common origins.

[@theraabimelech]

Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ69mp6AoL6FjKs

[@Ecm613]

The Sephardim and Ashkanzim are two halves of one body which makes up one greater whole. The twelve tribes they are each different from one another. They all make up one greater whole. No one has it all but together we become all.

[@richardrosenthal9552]

As a boy I learned of Jewish law and belief from my Bas Cohen mother. That was followed by Jewish education in Hebrew School at our Conservative Jewish Synagogue in the town I was raised in. I also learned from my Grandparents who were Orthodox and more practical view of Jewish life. In all of that I can’t remember hearing much about Ashkanazi or Sephardic ways except in ahistorical sense. More recently I have been watching Rabbi Mannis Friedman, a Chabad and Hasidic Rabbi, who has said that there are only one type of Jews. You are born a Jew and remain a Jew forever no matter what way you taught to observe traditions. I don’t see one being better than another. All ways have a place in the Jewish Culture.

[@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders]

You should see what Mizrachi says about the evil Mannis Friedman

[@Yosaif-Israel]

@@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders Mizrachi he is low level and a sinner as he says abominations about Jews and uses words that will never pass a real Rabbi’s lips He tries to condemn Manis Friedman, but he lacks the ability to comprehend the Rabbi. Therefore, his criticism is useless and not valid.

[@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic]

Ashkenazi better 💯💯 Unlike the other " categories" or backgrounds ,call it however you want, we didn't modify the Hebrew language to sound like Arabic in prayers so we d save our @ss.

[@Jmriccitelli]

Great show

[@samchapa4203]

Im sephardi and I enjoy Nigguns and other Ashkenazi customs. However I will never enjoy gefilte fish haha. I do agree that the tav should be pronounced properly as t not s. Am Yisrael Chai!

[@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders]

Although I am Ashkenazi, I lived in Israel for a while. I LOVE hearing Ivrit and really dislike the Ashky pronunciation, and even more so, their emphasis on the wrong letters. Hard to find where I belong

[@shainazion4073]

If You ever tried fresh made gefilte fish, not from a jar, you might change your mind. The French call them quennels. And fresh-made salmon gefilte fish is awesome!!🦈🐋🐟

[@Yosaif-Israel]

This has nothing to do with your opinion it has two pronunciations תתּ

[@natans5323]

To be honest , Ashkenazi ‘Rabbi’ was pretty arrogant, the Sefardic Rabbi tried to keep it classy and loving. Idk where this Askenazi arrogance comes from ..Ashkenazi school of thought is where left leaning ideas came from throughout the ages.

[@KatarinaDinnar]

Not arrogant, I would say little bit more harsh. Rabbi Aloush is indeed classy and loving. We are so privileged to have him in our community. I am mostly secular, and if not for him, would not go to sinagogue so often as I do .

[@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders]

Agreed, he was aggressive IMO

[@leonardoberliner5051]

He was acting.

[@tedtan6449]

Does Ashkenazi more liberal than the other?

[@pocophone2010]

Geneticists classified jew-ish Europeans ashkenazim in Europeans genetic pool. Not Semitic genetic pool like Arabs and middle Eastern jews

[@miriamkayman1846]

Very very nice ! I enjoyed it a lot . We are still one people , one Torah

[@AngelaZikking]

This was a very enjoyable debate, and it made me burst out with laughter when rabbi Schochet showed his shirt. However, I would like to correct 53:42 Spinoza was Sephardi

[@shainazion4073]

Middle Eastern does NOT mean Sephardi. Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran are not Sephardi, they are Mizrahi.

[@uriel7203]

Sefaradim and Mizrachim come from the same school of thought in Halachah and minhagim.

[@shainazion4073]

@@uriel7203 But Iraqi Jews, Egyptian Jews, Iranian Jews, Syrian Jews are Not Sephardi Jews.

[@RRiffe]

​@@uriel7203 Bukharan jews also! Great info btw

[@uriel7203]

@YaakovRichfrit bucharian is mizrachi, officially. They originated as a congregation in Iran.

[@ken05777]

You're technically correct, However, They overlap.

[@DominiqueKg]

If you think gefilte fish is easier to digest than a jalapeño, you're crazy lmao

[@Yosaif-Israel]

The more sophisticated developed recipes, obviously took more time to develop showing that they are later, rather than original

[@howardg5934]

Proud to be 8% Sephardic.

[@judystaab7126]

We are both .. asknazie andsephardic my niece marrid saphardic nammed manuel, she calls him. Mannie.❤😅😊

[@kanyindewa9372]

This is purely awesome.

[@ebenezer6844]

Pronunciation wasnt mentioned. Is it Mitzvot or mitzvos 😊

[@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic]

😆 mitzvoS

[@ebenezer6844]

@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic 🤨☺️

[@uriel7203]

Hasidic school of thought was highly influenced by the Sefaradic one. Hasidim have made a major impact on the world and comprise is 99% Ashkenazic. So I would say that would make Sefaradim the "winner".

[@Ph0_Sh0]

Who wins the trophy when we both breathing at the same time

[@expertthc8503]

5:32 they are Mizrachi not Sephardic

[@tedtan6449]

Which is the one that strongly promotes Noahide laws?

[@LAgifts1]

The Ashkenaz rav lost the point by his manner of speaking and tone. How lovely and humble the Sephardi rav respond with smile

[@menachemaskin4480]

Does anyone know the name of the Sephardic song played in this video?

[@ken05777]

Sephardic/Mizrahi style of prayer was Not influenced by the Mosque, there's evidence that it was the opposite.

[@naftoliharoldeisemann9322]

All authentic Jewish traditions are wonderful.

[@ericmiller6056]

"Who is right?", in this context, is the most un-Jewish question ever!

[@rebecaoquendo7363]

This was fun but there is but after traveling throughout so many different Jewish communities in the world ,all I can say is that we are all one and we should embrace it all.

[@عليياسر-ك9ظ]

Iranian Jews: Would you accept to be my slave?

[@boruchkalmenson7698]

its beautiful! will point out, its hard to watch, there is a add literally every 5 min...

[@estrellaperez2390]

This debate is hilarious. The mention of "cazuela de pescado" killed me! What a pair fo comedians! Bless them.

[@איתןפוזילוף]

Not enough divisions in the world that a rabbi has to say that his community is superior because they eat ground fish… This is unfortunate and immature and totally not spiritual

[@leonardoberliner5051]

It seems stupid because it's in fact a joke, sorry you missed that

[@josephgerard5473]

On this subject, I heartily recommend a track I discovered by accident (it appeared in my 'recommended' feed) by a British band called UNIT. The track is A Tribute To The Israeli Defence Force and it is excellent - tuneful and forceful without being bombastic combined with a lovely lyric. I know next to nothing about the group but on investigation I see they've recorded a whole batch of Jewish related tracks such as Pesach, Yom Kippur, Bar Mitzvah, Israel Is Real, The 613 Mitzvot and probably others I don’t know about yet. Some of them feature Rabbi Moshe Bryski which is definitely a recommendation in itself.

[@1BestCookie]

I cannot find that song. Do you have a link?

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

How long is that universal hug around 1 - 2 seconds

[@The-Best-Version-Of-You]

this is already wrong. each tribe had different customs. this shouldn't be a debate.

[@DavidYoel13]

It’s funny tho. And this is why Jewish people are so amazing 😊

[@heathrutherford]

Rabbi Yitzchak and his Einstein shirt was priceless!

[@michaelnelson5872]

As much as I appreciate the discussion about the roots of Judaism culture, I do not appreciate how they seem to diminish the other. Each is beautiful, we should uplift

[@vinskilindqvist4554]

paskaa.

[@kerriemckiness5129]

😂😂😂😂😂 this was hilarious, especially about the food...

[@BeeBonaventure]

It's the year 5784 on HEBREW CALENDER to be exact❤

[@oblongfan1]

i just found out through ancestry that i have sephardic jew from my moms side. probably from italy or spain. interesting. considering i was not raised jewish at all. im not part of any religion actually. but now im learning about the differnces between ashkenazi and sephardic cultures

[@tikipharm5957]

Who is to say who is a Sefardii or an Ashkenazi after Purim? Iwjen did the label Ashkenazi start? Why are there separate yeshvos for the two groups?

[@sheymanhouse]

I don't know if this was meant to be comedic, but this is really in bad taste. Let's not engage in content that promotes sinat chinam.

[@rosarule1796]

🥰 Lovely debate. 🥰

[@1BestCookie]

Why have you forgotten about temun traditions? I am very intrigued by thier traditions which have not had to adapt to such a roundabout galus, so it resembles the oldest form of jewish tradition

[@KatarinaDinnar]

I prefer the Israeli style, like at Rabbis Alush shul. And for food - I like almost everything ....Not the gefilte tho.

[@OttoNomicus]

I don't know about the topic of the video but I was reading Isaiah yesterday and something struck me as odd, it's the part where G** praises Cyrus the Great, king of Persia. "44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid." Then shortly later "45:1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; 2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: 3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me." How does that make sense when we read about Cyrus and find "Across his conquered lands, he returned images of gods that had been seized in battle and hoarded in Babylon. And in Babylon itself, he publicly worshipped the city's revered Marduk. Cyrus's most renowned act of mercy was to free the captive Jews, whom Nebuchadrezzar II had forced into exile in Babylon." Apparently G** is rather selective about which idolaters he condemns. Was Cyrus doing G**'s will when he returned all the idols that Babylon had seized to their former owners so they could worship them again? Maybe G** saw that as being kind and considerate, which I suppose it was, if you were one of the people who got their idol stolen.

[@colorado841]

I recall something about empty temple vessels being returned along with the islealites and the temple being rebuilt. The idols were also returned from Babylon to other countries besides Israel.

[@בןמשה-ט3ע]

yall americans will have ddebates on anything haha.. we need more debates here in israel..

[@oblongfan1]

i dont think this is even in america..

[@ebenezer6844]

Will King Mashiach be Ashkenazi or Sephardic?

[@KatarinaDinnar]

Israeli mixed 😅

[@jaydasilva_]

Mizrahi

[@augjake]

It is kind of sad that this “debate” even happened.

[@mskashan]

This debate was really over at gefilte fish but ashkenazi won because most of the crowd is ashkenazi and are ignorant to the Jewish life and warm community of Sephardic and mizrahi.

[@Yosaif-Israel]

The ashkenaz shorter prayer, and accuracy in Hebrew, pointing to it, being the original prayer content, and then other versions added

[@adamyitzhak9907]

accuracy in HEBREW?? Is this a joke. Yes Moishe Rabbayni..

[@Yosaif-Israel]

@@adamyitzhak9907 do you understand the first letter of the Hebrew holy Scriptures? בּ Go ahead l’m waiting for your response. If you don’t know it, I will gladly start teaching you

[@Yosaif-Israel]

בנוסח אשכנז בויגדל כתוב קץ הימין למידות הימין של הכל יכול וגם קץ הימין ובברכת המאורות אנו אמרים משבחים מפארים מעריצים ומקדישים בעברית ולא ארמית ובספרד כתוב קץ הימים שזה תרגום קצת חסר

[@איתןפוזילוף]

Accuracy in Hebrew? Ashkenazi pronunciation is very distorted, ע, ח ק…completely mispronouncing ר…occasionally vowels mispronounced like yom is pronounced yoim…do you see where this arrogance comes from?

[@Yosaif-Israel]

@@איתןפוזילוף Nobody said anything about pronunciation, but none of the communities around the world were able to hold A authentic pronunciation. Therefore, it must be renewed out of many of the different pronunciations. The Yemenites have a lot of good stuff but it’s still not perfect.

[@Moogles1982]

I'd have much rather see these two laud and applaud each "others'" different minhagim and traditions. Would've felt far more inclusive and unifying.

[@danamarcotteseiler7423]

Very Good

[@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders]

Language was not discussed. Sephardim speak Hebrew! Ashkies speak some German mix, Yiddish. Lol

[@scm98]

Some Sefardí speak Ladino

[@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders]

What I meant to say was that Sepharadim pray in Ivrit, understood by Israelis, whereas Ashkenazim pray with misspronouciation and wrong emphasis on letters, IMO. I MUCH prefer to hear Ivrit in prayers and learning Gamara etc.

[@janetnadler7832]

We are one people.

[@davidabulafia7145]

My answer is lavavich which is closer to Sephardi than askanise

[@LeonardStephenGuy]

Not being a Jew this is not pointless discussion because I have learnt a lot from both sides..

[@divineriffs]

I thought Saphardi Jews were descendants from Spain and Portugal.

[@BoldTruth3]

We are! The thing is that some of the Sephardic Jews from Spain and Portugal went to the Middle East and Morocco during inquisition times or after 1492. So throughout the ages, they adopted certain middle eastern customs, similar to those of the misrahi Jews (which are Jews from the Middle East and North Africa). But Sephardic Jews come from Sefarad, which in Hebrew translates to what we know today as Spain and Portugal.

[@Igbo_Israel]

What about the Yemen Jews

[@yrrzak3296]

Was this done for purim? I cannot take this seriously. Bad taste if it was meant to be serious. Absolute nonsense. Ashkie married to mizrahi btw. Iraqi jewish food absolutely The best ❤

[@bzipoli]

no, no, its just jews arguing over nothing. its our tradition, arguing for fun and making jokes

[@z100com]

Can you publish the voting by category?

[@nathelondon3719]

Why did Rav Ovadiah send his sons to Ashkenazi yeshivot?

[@haraldthorson9153]

Spinoza was sephardic and not ashkenazic.

[@judystaab7126]

Beautiful bu sad.😊

[@SefaradiTal]

There are no Rabbanim as we don’t have a Sanhedrin; however, we have Hahamim. I can only hope it is then restored along with the Beit HaMiqdash!

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

Sounds good 👍

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

You can rewire the Jewish 🧬 dna 🧬 by breeding the those 2 massive branches and then getting the final product and that’s as close as we get to the original Jewish image

[@kerriemckiness5129]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@tw2987]

Mosques and Temples do NOT pray to the same God, although God hears both and visits more Muslims in their dreams than Jews because he wants to tell the one who seeks Him to pray to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

Long hug

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

Quick hug

[@mr.v2689]

Look at all the deleted comments. Ou vey

[@davidabulafia7145]

The majority of the jewish fundamental documents are written by Sephardi authors

[@Vilnagaon-ish]

אחדות ואחווה

[@chodeshadar18]

Jews from all over are more alike than New Yorkers and Texans!

[@tuviadavidmorrison4215]

Impossible that Ashkenazim won; the majority is Ashkenazi; no surprise here!

[@iqra9620]

Over the thousands of years they have made Judaism so complicated to follow and this is why most of the them are secular.Instead of following the Prophets they follow Rabbi opinion of the past.

[@socaldetailpros5627]

Israel is believed to be the country that will unite the world. Very good points by the Sephardic Rabbi but he seemed a bit more divisive which caused him to lose.

[@yiddena]

He could have picked more complicated and interesting Ashkenazi music

[@yiddena]

The Sephardic tune is really interesting sounding 👌

[@natans5323]

To say that the Avot were Ashkenazi lol is just lying to yourself 😂

[@leonardoberliner5051]

​@user-xb9yo1pj4nits purposefully BS

[@loufy7]

whats is avot@user-xb9yo1pj4n

[@BeeBonaventure]

The reason 1 is Sephardic & 2 is Ashkenazi is because the answer to the question which is traditional winner without hesitation it's ASHKENAZI ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@איתןפוזילוף]

Traditional winner? The “Golden Age of Judaism “ was in Spain

[@viniciusavila9820]

Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Italkim.... different cultures in the same judaism, it's just details not the core, but the 34:35 made laugh out loud kkkk. I love to study the Sephardic world but the Ashkenazi brought us many different views inside judaism bring opportunities to jews live a judaism approached to his reality and way of facing life.

[@yahwehforchristians]

I enjoyed this segment. Funny but I also learned. 👀📜👂🏽. שלם עליכם peace for Israel 🇮🇱

[@suzy4798]

Abraham was not Sephardic but mizrahi

[@happycustomer3448]

Just like a car has different parts to work.all tribes are part og the macro❤

[@Tobyyy24]

Don’t forget to mention ashkenaz invented reform and conservative Judaism which destroys Judaism every passing day 😂

[@stephenfisher3721]

Reform Judaism saved many from the baptismal font. After the years of Moses Mendelssohn, Jews were rushing to become Christians in order to enjoy better jobs and participate more fully in German life. Reform gave them a way to socialize, dress, act, and live outwardly as Gentiles and at home be quietly Jewish. Reform allowed them to smoke, cook, and work on the Sabbath with orderly abbreviated prayer services. Worship would be accompanied by organ music. Reform allowed the German Jews to throw off all the oriental and primitive aspects of the religion.

[@stephenfisher3721]

Most American Jews are not Orthodox and never will be.

[@stephenfisher3721]

For most Israeli Jews, the Orthodox bet knesset, is the synagogue they want but never attend. So many hilonim (secular) Jews in Israel are really wanting more spirituality; don't like Orthodoxy but Conservative and Reform are not known to them.

[@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders]

Very, very true! How many lost souls are they responsible for?

[@1BestCookie]

That Ashkenazi song is much better in singing voice

[@tvtalkwithavi]

Mizrahi people. Done. 👍

[@DDBb993]

❤❤❤

[@shiv4229]

This feels like a roast lol

[@happycustomer3448]

❤unite❤

[@yasseralsaidi1168]

You guys are not enemies but instead related and do remember same dad and different mothers

[@nathelondon3719]

You totally missed out the Yemenite Jews as if they don’t exist!

[@SamG-pf9sx]

AFREEN BISYAAR KHOOB mazel tov I am proud of all ashkenazi Jewish customs as well sefardi Jewish customs Jews lived on all 4 corners of the world as a Pakistani American chabadnik lubavitcher rebbe followers my opening greeting in Persian farsi Israel means very beautifull sayings Shabbat shalom good shabbos 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇵🇰🇵🇰🇺🇸🇺🇸😎

[@GerardoMagnano]

Bringing division to Am Israel?

[@ELJason2006]

The grand daddy of all the customs is Bene Roma. Go to Rome and you will see the original European Jewish custom.