THE FORGOTTEN GOLF CLUB from MIZUNO YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT

[@AskGolfNut]

COMMENT Below Guys and also GIVE the Video a LIKE and SHARE. I'll answer as many comments as possible 👍

[@darylkariniemi1627]

Exactly the thing I was asking for before!! Awesome heat maps displayed on an iron shape. Hands down best iron review data anywhere on the web. Well done.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks Daryl, really appreciate the kind feedback 👍

[@droopy14]

I have JPX923 version of this with Recoil 95 shaft. I got 29 degree first and immediately got 26 degree the following week because it was working so well for me. With the 26 degree, first time in my life, I hit green from 182 or 183 and held the green. Before this club, I had a hybrid that I can hit 180ish carry but it rolls another 20 yards then longest iron I can hit reliably was 7 iron with 155 carry. 😂 I highly recommend this club.

[@AskGolfNut]

They work extremely well. For me to even think about removing 2 more of my bladed lovely irons.... They must work well 😊👍

[@peterwynne4169]

Hi, great video and you are the only KZbinr to swing at different speeds so us slow swing speed seniors can see how clubs perform. Thanks I'm looking to get new clubs are with my swing speed dropping I'm looking at these options. You have helped me broaden my options. Thanks

[@AskGolfNut]

You are very welcome Peter. Before being a full time KZbinr I Coached and Custom Fitted so many golfers that were losing swing speed as age advances, going to this kind of equipment together with a few helpful swing tweaks to keep as much speed as possible can lead to the further enjoyment of the game for longer 👍

[@Gentsgolf]

Great review... love the heat map displayed onto the club. With the shorter shafts could be also very useful putting style chipping from the fringe. Keep up the good work Jay, loving it. Grtz from rainy Netherlands 🙂

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you enjoyed the video and the new data and heat map graphic.... Lots of work going on in the background to make these the most in depth and relatable Club Reviews on KZbin. I have one particular member of my KZbin Members to thank for a lot of the mathematics behind the new forgiveness evolution. Also for my KZbin Members I have a Comparison File will all of the Irons I have tested that are current to be able to compare one against another. Its on my Discord channel, Link in Description.... Available to use for all my YT Members 👍

[@andy_bickley]

Great explanation to highlight the benefits over a conventional iron. Good data and good visuals can't lie.

[@AskGolfNut]

That's the great thing about using a Launch Monitor like the GCQuad, it doesn't care what golf club I'm using, it just reads data without any bias good or bad. One of the best performing clubs out there 👍

[@FrugalFixerSpike]

I need the 6 and 5 replaced for sure in my bag, this is the direction I should go, I like staying all Mizuno in the bag! Great info Jay, The heatmap is pretty sweet!

[@AskGolfNut]

It is! A lot of work going on in the background to get these to this point. I can definitely see how they will help golfers that find brunching in their mid to long irons and need the help these types of clubs give 👍

[@Golfing-AddiCt]

Have you had lessons to help you hit your 6-5 mid irons better.? I highly recommend having a few lessons to improve your swing before going to a new club thinking it's going solve your problem.

[@jiml9062]

GREAT CLUBS. I play the CLK and looking to upgrade to the ST-MAX. I did play Titleist Hybrids but they had a tendancy to shoot left without telling me first. The CLK is one of the best clubs I have ever hit, the distance control and shaping is superb and I would highly recomend them. I will soon be 72, still playing off 6 and I had to drop the 4 iron from my last set and facing hard facts, I will not be buying a 5 iron in my new 245's, as I will keep the clubs into my 70's, so I will put 3 hybrids (ST-MAX) in the bag instead. As always, a great site, with a good insight.

[@Golfing-AddiCt]

I can't recommend the ST-Max strongly enough, absolutely superb range of clubs.

[@pbode1]

I've got the st max 5 wood, absolutely forgiving. tried the 4 hybrid too in a fitting, but there it lost out to the ping g430

[@AlCaponeIII]

Loving them clubs your so good at explaining how good these clubs are and that they can work for virtually anyone appreciate your great club reviews awesome channel one of my top 3 on KZbin golf clubs 🙏💯🔥

[@AskGolfNut]

Thank you very much for your kind feedback, a lot of work is going on in the background for this new processes evolution.... I must give thanks to a couple of my channel Members for being so instrumental in it's creation and development 👍

[@davidsimmons6906]

Great video because you also swing at slower speeds. I had the ping i210 irons for 6 years and shocked how much stronger lofts and longer lengths irons have become which isnt always great for slower swing speeds. Definitely considering this option. Cheers

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you enjoyed the video David 👍

[@benhoward7006]

I have 2 of these in my bag and they are great!!!

[@douglasgardner4004]

I do a 25 degree hybrid to gap from 6 to 9 wood. I get a little bit bunched up at the 25 degree / 9 wood area but the 9 wood gets a tone of hight and stopping power while the 25 degree will get me a bit more roll out so the have their distinct uses.

[@AskGolfNut]

You'll never beat a larger head like the 9 wood with its centre of gravity even lower to get the high flight. No different to these types of clubs over mid to long irons, the benefits are clear and would help many many golfers 👍

[@davidb8586]

I’ve got a previous generation jpx923 fli hi 26 degree hybrid which replaces my 6 iron. I love the shorter club length and it really feels like I am hitting an iron.

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely the correct way to play it. Many struggle with hybrids due to the, is it an iron or is it a wood conversation. Whereas these need no introduction and explanation, these are clearly irons with hybrid heads 👍

[@petemajor4454]

The heat map tells a very easy to understand story. Be interesting to see a test on the Ping Eye 2, which is considered a classic?

[@AskGolfNut]

Wow a blast from the past there Pete, has anyone got a fairly decent condition old Ping Eye 2 to be able to get some good testing from ? 😀👍

[@StephenBlower]

I got the previous generation at 23 degrees, and I love it, it's a direct replacement for my 5 Iron, it goes the distance unless I hit it of the toe.. I tried a 7 Wood at 23 degrees also to check which would be a better replacement for my 5i. Turns out the 7 Wood goes much further and is a great gap filler between this and my 3 Wood. So I've kept them both. Win-Win. 😁

[@AskGolfNut]

Classic example of using equipment to make golf easier and more fun to play, well done on getting everything done right 👍

[@paulmcgee1867]

Great range of clubs🎉

[@AskGolfNut]

Work exceptionally well, wiill help so many golfers with their mid to longer part of the bag 👍

[@alestev24]

The only thing that is concerning for me with these is the fact that my miss with longer irons, with hybrids and with high lofted fairway woods is always towards the toe. And these do seem to perform worst when hit towards the toe. No golfshop in my area carries them. In fact, they seem to be completely unheard of in the whole German speaking part of Central Europe, because they are offered nowhere. So I am wondering, if I should risk ordering the 22° from the UK or Ireland with the iron shaft I play in my irons or with the graphite shaft I play in my 7-wood (both are available) and just see if I get on with it and sell it, if I don't. The only good thing is that they seem to be on sale already and cost not much more than half of what an ST-Max hybrid costs...😉

[@sevesellors2831]

Great review and an eye opener for sure. Really need to test the new Mizuno JPX 925 range.

[@AskGolfNut]

Some don't like the looks of the new lineup and that's totally subjective but no one can complain about their performance and forgiveness of the new 925 range. Include the new Fli Hi into a blended set within a custom fit, and they prove to be one of the most functional iron sets currently available 👍

[@sevesellors2831]

@@AskGolfNut I think Mizuno might just have the perfect set, many thanks Jay I keep looking at your reviews so must try them, would you say the HM is more forgiving than the Wilson Dynapwr forged you tried?

[@AskGolfNut]

Yes I would say that the HM is more forgiving although it is a big club that the Dynapower Forged so it, will be interesting to see how the soon to be released JPX925 Forged iron does against the Dynapower 🤔👍👍

[@sevesellors2831]

@@AskGolfNut many thanks Jay much appreciated.

[@AskGolfNut]

Always happy to help 👍👍

[@robertcourt8593]

They should do them in 32 and 36 ° too. At the price point they're a great option. I have a 30° ping g410 hybrid and love it, looking for a 34/35° hybrid to come up to replace the 8 iron.

[@AskGolfNut]

Depending on how well they sell within the fitting environment and also the composition of club lofts sold, I can definitely see Mizuno increasing it's range of available lofts going forward. 👍👍

[@sloswingspeed9535]

I’m in ST Max 22/25/28.. get more distance due lighter head and about +2” in length with a similar weighted shaft as my irons. BUT. The FliHead not currently in the fitting cart but theirs a new system coming so who knows !

[@MrAshtute]

Got a couple in my bag 👍 and they are staying there

[@AskGolfNut]

Once converted you never go back 😊😊👍

[@tomfox677]

Great review...thank you. I have a question on the distances. Based on your distances at 80 mph the 28* Fli Hi hybrid is carrying 154 yards and the 925 HL 7 iron at 31* is also carrying 154 yards. Mizuno is packaging the 925 HL combo sets with a 25 & 28* Fli Hi then the irons start with a 31* 7 iron. Makes no sense to have those 2 clubs in the combo set going the same....am I missing something here? Why Based on the combo sets it lends me to believe those 2 clubs should carry different distances.

[@AskGolfNut]

Have you got a link to the Mizuno combo sets as I can't find them and are unaware of Mizuno approving any combo sets of these as they promote a custom fit first approach. I reality, especially with hybrids, any combo should be specifically tailored around the individual golfers needs, this is why they don't stamp numbers on the clubs and only loft. You'd find that depending on how a golfer delivers the club differently they would need different lofted Fli Hi heads to that of another golfer even if they transitioned at the same iron 👍

[@jasonverbarg9790]

The JPX925 6 iron is 25 degrees, would the 25-degree Fli-Hi be the replacement or would you go with a lower loft Fli-Hi due to height the club creates? Great review!!!

[@bund440]

I’m sold going to my fitter and will be replacing my 5 and 6 JPX 925 irons

[@AskGolfNut]

Give them a good honest test and see how they compare 👍👍

[@ianpulham3624]

I play a very hilly course. I normally have quite a low flight and have bled distance this year with the very wet fairways. In response, I refreshed by fairway woods and hybrid. Last year I was playing 10-year old JPX 5w and 3 hybrid and a 3i driving iron from Wilson. I upgraded to ST-Max 230 5W, 7W and 4H. They all have adjustable hosels and I ratcheted them all up to the high setting [approx. +1.5°]. If it's really windy I can take the extra loft out, if it's really wet I can add some. I don't play a 5i or 4i anymore, so if I want to hit those distances I just grip down the shaft. I know which club to take for each of the par3s and can guess how high I have to grip depending of the wind etc. I think it is fair to say that a less than ideal strike is punished less with this setup.

[@AskGolfNut]

Make the equipment work for your game rather than against, and you have got some great clubs and you've spent the time working out how they work helping you enjoy golf more.... Good on you 👍👍👍

[@ianpulham3624]

@@AskGolfNut Thx. I have spent quite a lot of time ploughing the internet looking for solutions because I am not getting any younger, but I still have certain modest ambitions. I went over to a cheap-as-chips armlock putter last year. My putting improved on faster surfaces, but not on slower. I then bought a few conversion grips from the USA and converted a couple of existing putters to armlock because I didn't like the feel off the face of the cheaper putter. Not a universal success, but I do have better days, and broke 40 for 9 holes for the first time last week. Armlocks are not stocked where I live and + € 400 is too much to just blow in the wind. My game is a work in progress.

[@tp0376]

A lot like the ping, but the adjustability of the ping is nice. I’ve found also that only 3 degrees of lift difference doesn’t produce a different enough distance to carry all of them. Prefer at least 4 or 5 degrees of difference between them

[@AskGolfNut]

As with all clubs it is mighty important to get these custom fitted into the correct position and gapping within the bag. They can be a huge asset but just need proper fitting to begin with 👍

[@irish5359]

Awesome golf club.

[@rickylee3161]

I have a fli-hi 6 hybrid from 2021, perfect gap between my 6 iron and my 4 Ping hybrid. Easy to hit, but a bit too much off set, so I have to grip it weaker.

[@AskGolfNut]

Seems to be a touch less on the new JPX 925 version 👍

[@martindimbleby1439]

Another great video, thanks. I was looking at the normal JPX 925 hot metal irons but thinking these could be a better idea for the longer irons. It might reduce the odd fat or thin shot I'm plagued by. How do you think these compare to the Eleven Iron Hybrids you tested?

[@AskGolfNut]

They work just as good as the Eleven Hybrids, the only exception though is the Eleven go all the way to PW where the Fli Hi don't, they are designed as a Direct Long Iron Replacement 👍

[@martindimbleby1439]

@@AskGolfNut thanks. Do you think a 15 handicapper with 7 iron swing speed of 80mph and driver swing speed of 100mph could still benefit from these types of clubs or am I better off with normal game improvement irons like the hot metal pro etc?

[@AskGolfNut]

@@martindimbleby1439 absolutely you could benefit from these and the swing speed isn't so high that you'll be potentially ballooning them and also they are only available from the mid to long irons anyway so regardless of speed the long irons are where people need the Forgiveness help that these types of clubs provide 👍 Also just as a note, handicap should never be used as a measure for determining equipment choice, I know it's pedalled by manufacturers and retail outlets but that's more so to push sales. In reality it's what the golfer requires from the equipment whether thats launch, Forgiveness or ball speed etc which different clubs give more or less than others 👍👍

[@rlbjr]

So how would these compare to the Eleven hybrid irons? Any advantage or disadvantage to either?

[@AskGolfNut]

Great question and I will have to redo the datasets from the Eleven Golf Hybrid test to see how good they are in comparison. I can remember the video in question and the 9 iron during the test was hitting 135 yards or so regardless of where it was hit :-) it would be a worth while re-test 👍

[@daryldoughty1354]

That would be great for me considering I have the 27* eleven hybrid

[@natejennings7441]

I just bought the 923 since the price dropped with the release of the new 925. 923's are amazing , have the 20 and 23 loft. High launch, high spin. If your looking for a Hybrid bomber this is not for you. Very consistent controllable distances.

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely how they are designed, they are there to replace your Irons for specific distances so great to hear your ones are working really well for you 👍

[@natejennings7441]

@@AskGolfNut love your channel , although you have cost me money this year buying too many Mizuno clubs .

[@AskGolfNut]

@natejennings7441 sorry 🤦😊

[@dansburns]

Great review and very interesting. I’m wanting to replace my 5i. Wondering if I should adjust length and lie to match what I was fit into for my irons…hmm. 🤔 However, this is the same loft as my G425 4h, so I wonder if I should go 6h instead?

[@AskGolfNut]

As always I suggest going to a Mizuno fitting centre so that you can test and see what loft you will need to gap well into the space you are needing it.... Really the only way to do it properly without risking taking guesses 👍

[@danielwardman2399]

I play a srixon zx7/Zx5 combo iron set, my last iron is a 4 iron wich plays about 210 yards, i also play a sim 2 max 7 hybrid 31 degrees, it goes 200-220 but higher than my 4 iron and a kot easier out of the rough, an odd club to have in the bag but its me cheat stick.

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Daniel, I got rid of my 4 iron many years back due to its fairly 1 dimensional nature whereas the Hybrids etc of this world just manage to get the ball launching so much better with ease. 👍

[@batman48195]

Nice review. What was the descent angle of the 7 hybrid? I'd also like to see 7 iron vs 7 hybrid for comparison.

[@AskGolfNut]

At what club head speed? also these aren't in numbers as such they are labelled in lofts so its a point of matching the required loft against the relative iron. Commonly you'll have to go a couple of degrees stronger than the like for like iron. It's to do with the hybrid head creating a touch more kick angle than the iron head 👍

[@batman48195]

@@AskGolfNut I swing a 7 iron about 70 mph. 64 yo male. I never considered a 7 hybrid or 6 even, but realize I need more height for stopping power. Otherwise my decent angle is 39 to 42 degrees. Thanks for the quick response.

[@PepeSylvia36]

How do you think the 19 degree version of this, perhaps bent 2 deg strong would perform as a fairway finder off the tee?

[@AskGolfNut]

I think it would perform very much so like a driving iron with much not in the way of help or forgiveness to hit a consistent distance from not plumb on strikes.... I can really see these clubs fitting into so many golfers bags 👍

[@iamawesome6462]

Great review! What about gapping issues? Does a hi-fl 6 have a similar distance to a JPX Hot Metal 925 6 iron? Are they direct replacements?

[@andy_bickley]

The FLi-His don't have club numbers only degrees, the 28d flihi , and the 28d HM (7 iron) went within half a club of each other in jays testing and that's within normal gapping/adjustment for blending clubs.

[@AskGolfNut]

They are designed to be that way although you have to remember that 7 irons for example come in many different lifts so rather than looking at numbers etc, the best thing to do when looking to blend any different model with another is to hit both and see how one reacts compared to the other 👍

[@BrettWaldemar]

Would it be wise to go same exact shaft as irons or a slightly lighter version?

[@jamesdaw131]

For me they are too upright (or the old ones were) and you can’t change the loft. Love the idea but just couldn’t get on with mine. Ended up putting a 6 iron hybrid in. I don’t lack for speed - just like hybrids.

[@AskGolfNut]

The great thing with using the 431 Stainless Steel in the body now means they are able to adjust the Lie angle to suit 👍

[@MrEasyaloha]

Yes agreed, they are nice clubs. They are pretty hot and high trajectory. I had a 19 and a 23 if i remember correctly. And then I sold them. The reason why is that the ‘flex sole’ (or whatever they call it) gets stuck on the ground every time during the take away. Every time a little pull on the club, right at the moment where you want to be confident. Soooo annoying.

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely agree! On the older CLK and Fli Hi they grabbed the ground during takeaway. On the new Fli Hi the clubs has the same Wave Technology but importantly the ridges aren't anywhere near as intrusive and doesn't grab the ground like they did prior 👍

[@thomasobrien8465]

I noticed that the 7iron carried about 10 yards further than the Fli Hi 28. Less ball speed and more spin with same decent angle at 70 mph. Is this really a good replacement option? For example if you wanted to replace a 5 iron would you need the 4 hybrid? Otherwise your 5 hybrid would be too close to your 6 iron.

[@Thataintnothing]

I’m 68 and still hit my 4 iron in both my Gamer iron sets King Cobra Forged TEC and TAKOMO 101’s no 3 iron ,go to 5 wood ,might get an 7 wood at some point.

[@AskGolfNut]

Wow I gave up my 4 iron years ago.....I'm wondering if I'll have any irons left in the bag when I'm in my 60's 😀👍

[@Thataintnothing]

@@AskGolfNut Whatever works Brother ,I played Ball till I was 44 ,Lift lightly .Do an lot of reps and bend down and put my palms on the ground and probably turn about 105-110 degrees but try not too which causes Me to go across the Line and Swing too hard spraying it both ways . So pretty limber with all the injury’s I have had . Love Your Show’s Content!

[@AskGolfNut]

@darylhoskins5696 only time my palms can touch the ground is when I trip over my own feet 🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@lawrencedwardenicholls]

Hi I have the jpx 925 hot metal high launch with dynamic gold 95 R standard shafts, what would be the benefits of the same steel shaft vs graphite shaft for the 22 degree hybrid?

[@Michael.Sandoval33]

So its not necessarily a distance chancer but if you have a 170 yard par 3 and tour Swing Speed is in the 70s you should, in theory, plot it on the green. I'm intrigued. Oh also, do they come with headcovers? 😌

[@andy_bickley]

Not quite the data table in the video shows, 70mph = 145 , 80mph = 164 , 90mph = 182.

[@AskGolfNut]

Yes they come with head covers I think you may well be able to see them (they are black) on the desk to the side of me during the numbers, part of the video 👍

[@Michael.Sandoval33]

​@@andy_bickley gotcha 👌🏽 still a great option

[@alexanderweiss2068]

Hallo, i have a question. Is the Fli-Hi 28° better than the hybrid st-max 230 6 28° degree adjustable 26°-30° , which Club perform better and where i have more option. Kind regards Alexander from Switzerland

[@antoncharlton2224]

Hi is there much difference between the 923 fligh high hybrid and the new 925 model apart from the loft in 6 hybrid

[@AskGolfNut]

I used and tested the older version prior to 923 and they do feel and work better, the 923s however I didn't directly test so I can't say with certainty. The new models though are built with consistency in mind from not ideal hits which arguably is what all golfers need so I would suggest if possible to go and give them a test up against your current ones to see how the performance and forgiveness differs 👍

[@cliffordmiller5814]

​@AskGolfNut I have the 921 flihi would you suggest upgrading to 925 version now 2 models later?

[@AP-lt8fx]

How would you compare these to the cleveland halo full face irons you tested previously?

[@AskGolfNut]

The Cleveland Full Face irons are great, they work very well. These though do have an advantage over the Cleveland irons due to the curved face, the roll and bulge allows for much greater consistency of distance from miss hits than a flat face iron does. 👍

[@jensjurgenhartel1047]

Mizuno offers for LH only 4 and 5 ! But 6&7 would be much more interesting

[@pbode1]

Never realized that the fli-hi isn't a classic hybrid shaft length wise. What's the difference in length? Since I am fitted into irons at 1.25 inch longer, I noticed that a standard 5 hybrid shaft seems to match my elongated 5 iron. Which is very nice, because indeed I can't get consistent height anymore in my 5i, but I can on a 5h.

[@AskGolfNut]

They are fairly close to standard Iron lengths but as will everything, it is really easy to be fit into longer or shorter shafts that will blend into either new or old/current gamer sets 👍

[@kenrehill8775]

So which of these replace which iron?

[@AskGolfNut]

Very much depends on how the individual golfers deliver the club, would very much suggest forpeople to get properly custom fitted for them to ensure the get the correct blend 👍

[@jiml9062]

The loft on my 245’s, 4 iron is 21.5°, the 5 iron is 24.0°, what would be the equivalent club/loft on the JPX925 FLI-HI for the 4 & 5 iron? Would it be the JPX925 FLI-HI 5 & 6 respectively and dial them down to make the lofts the same, or does less loft go the same as an iron?

[@AskGolfNut]

You may well have to go less loft on the Fli Hi's due to the tendency for the hybrids to produce more kick angle loft at impact. The amount depends on quite a few things so it's best to go and speak to a competent fitter than can see how you deliver the club and suggest the right option using some measured data 👍

[@GolfForFun-y7f]

I have two previous iterations of the JPX FliHi in my bag, 26&22. It is uncanny how stupid easy these are to hit. They still amaze me hitting greens at those distances with slow swing speeds. I find them generally 1/2 club longer than their iron equivalent.

[@WonbinYoo-mn2cq]

Im using 923 hotmetal HL with st max 4hybrid at 23* for the gap. Is there any difference between st max and jpx flihi??

[@WonbinYoo-mn2cq]

5i at 25*

[@AskGolfNut]

Yes there definitely will be. I'd suggest to physically test them side by side as there are too many variables to accurately suggest what you will find 👍

[@sloswingspeed9535]

What shaft did you hit, Jay ?

[@AskGolfNut]

I purposely asked for it in the same shaft as the media samples for the Hot Metal Irons had in them. Which from memory was the DG 105R shaft 👍

[@sloswingspeed9535]

@@AskGolfNut thank you Jay. I can’t recall how the head weights compare to the iron heads but with same shaft at same length I assume they are same or close ..thx

[@markboreham5258]

Jay if I was going to replace a Mizuno Pro 245 5 iron and 4 iron what lofts would I need in these clubs?

[@kenrehill8775]

I’d be interested to see that answer.

[@andy_bickley]

While you wait for Jays response as i think he's busy elsewhere today , they should replace like for like loft where possible, so the 28 would replace the #6 MP245 , the 25 the #5 MP245 and the 22 for the #4 MP245

[@AskGolfNut]

Depending on the golfer and how bend profile specific they are, the lofts required will differ. Generally though the pattern for hybrid and wood heads in general is to deliver slightly more loft than that of their flat faced iron counterparts so sometimes you will have to go a couple of degrees stronger in loft of the hybrid heads to gap properly. Now of course most standard hybrids have longer shaft lengths so that the gapping is achieved by the normal loft gaps but faster head speed, but with these Direct Long Iron replacements they need to be fit to the golfer. I'd suggest if possible get to NG fitted for them or at least test them to see what your own loft delivery results are to make the decision 👍

[@d3hk4y81]

Hi Jay, I've got 22° and 25° CLK's. What would be the advantage of paying out for hi-flies, if any?

[@AskGolfNut]

If you have the control of the CLKs and they do exactly what you want then none whatsoever. These are designed for the golfer that struggles with their mid to long irons or wants to gain some extra height and control. All of these are gained by full on hybrids so if you already get on great with your hybrids then they'd be no need to change 👍

[@Matthew45447]

Hi what’s the difference between the hybrid

[@AskGolfNut]

The hybrid being longer in shaft length will promote more club head speed and potential height, descent angle and distance than the long iron replacement. Thr Hybrid is there to bridge the gap between long iron and Fairways, whereas the Fli Hi is looking to replace the Irons directly to make them easier to hit and get more consistent results from using them 👍🏻

[@sumitagg1]

Wonder if I should switch out my new 923 forged 5i with this. Unfortunately, they don’t even test them in mizuno demo day

[@stephencarlisle3743]

You’ve triggered my interest. I’ve game 923hm irons , Ping 425 5 wood & 7 wood and in the winter was contemplating getting a 9 wood .. But I might have to try one of these

[@abstractavltd.9571]

haha I'm a member so I know which the other 2 irons are jay compared it too, if you want to know you need to join :)

[@AskGolfNut]

Wink wink, hashtag shameless plug 😂

[@andrewmaw76]

@@AskGolfNut thanks for the video. I have been thinking about these before. I have Jpx 923 HL irons to 5 but a 4 hybrid I’m having issues launching high enough. How would these compare and which shaft and loft would I order to replace the 4 hybrid / 4iron if I had one? Thanks

[@andrewmaw76]

👍

[@paulmcgee1867]

Others guessed

[@AskGolfNut]

One would naturally suggest the same custom fitted shafts as your irons however you may well gain a touch if you select a shaft which has a slightly softer tip section.... Although speak with your fitter that you got your HL irons from and talk it through.... It would be well worth the test switching the shafts slightly to see what your flight results are 👍

[@darylkariniemi1627]

I guess the question is: would other hybrids be similar forgiveness?

[@AskGolfNut]

I'll be running the new Heat Map Forgiveness evolution part of every club review upcoming and in the future to be able to give Golfers this information. All can be seen and compared against on my Discord Server (link in the description) by my KZbin Members. I feel its right to give access to this information that has taken so long to create to my KZbin Members as a perk of being one 👍

[@abstractavltd.9571]

Mine are already on order, 120g steel shafts can't weight !!!!

[@AskGolfNut]

How did I know you already had some coming 🤔😂👍

[@Phawstur]

We need Unreal Engine 5 golf simulations

[@AskGolfNut]

What would they look like? 👍

[@Phawstur]

@@AskGolfNut Almost real life

[@AskGolfNut]

That would be cool to see..... Not sure how many computers will need upgrading to play it 😊

[@brutusoftroy2810]

I have to disagree with the forgiveness thing, you don't get anything like the gear effect with an iron than you do with a hybrid. My misshits are always more wild with a hybrid than with an iron.

[@andy_bickley]

Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with measuring gear effect. We measure how consistent the carry distances are from miss hits. Gear effect will change side spin and lateral misses, and these will change wildly depending on Path , Face to Path and even Shaft torque.

[@brutusoftroy2810]

@@andy_bickley golf misses are distance and direction. If "we" aren't factoring in direction misses into forgiveness then "we" are wasting everyone's time with testing clubs.

[@andy_bickley]

@@brutusoftroy2810 Thank you for the input.