BEST 2024 PLAYERS DISTANCE IRONS

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi All, just a quick note, on the Face Speed part of the Ranking, the image at 5:55 is the correct ranking, the ranking after the club images were of the previous topic (whoopsy in editing sorry 🙂) 👍

[@TLRChad]

No one, and I watch way to much golf reviews, does analysis like you Jay. It's so valuable for us consumers. Thank you sir!

[@AskGolfNut]

You're very welcome and thank you for the kind feedback 👍

[@mattd7814]

Best club data analysis on KZbin!

[@AskGolfNut]

Maybe the only thing I'm allowed to be biased with 😊 I absolutely agree 😊👍👍

[@iainrutherford184]

Agreed 👍

[@jameswconforti4248]

100%

[@AlabamaGolfer]

This guy does the best reviews and rankings imo. Most of the others on KZbin let their bias show through. Show me the data, well done Jay.

[@AskGolfNut]

Most if not all others only have their opinion and feelings to go on. The data they collect if at all is very small and potentially full of holes once scrutinised. The work I do is painstaking, and frustrating also sometimes when the amount of work is put in to create the heatmaps and all the footage and editing for the video not to do well. But, what's fair for one iron is fair for another so all the hard work is put in nonetheless to ensure the Best Comparison Tool for everyday golfers (held on my Discord) is constantly updated and includes all the latest tested equipment 👍 Thanks very much for your kind words 👍

[@andy_bickley]

Nice job Cobra on the Limit3D, cant wait to see the future of that tech. Zx5 very close behind at a fraction of the cost.

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely, it does incredibly well considering its cost and that it hasn't changed that much over time. Up for a refresh very soon and from the word around the water cooler is that its another small tweak rather than any revamp..... If its not broke..... 🙂

[@Lionheart1157]

Love the analysis. Thanks for the hard work that takes the fluff and go-faster-stripes out of golf clubs!!

[@AskGolfNut]

Never seen a go faster stripe on a club........wait we have an idea now..... Lets spray one on the length of the shaft and across the face and see if I can swing it quicker, or it just looks like it goes faster when looking at it in the bag 😀👍

[@Lionheart1157]

@@AskGolfNut Awesome! Starsky and Hutch style!! 😎

[@richardjacobs7632]

This site provides a valuable service to all range of golfers! Thank You

[@jonwill]

Clearly the best at what you do; thank you for sharing.

[@AskGolfNut]

You are very welcome 👍👍

[@Nonfortiscedtenax]

This is absolutely fantastic work. Thnx

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you enjoyed the video! I have got an update to this video, the Game Improvement video and Players video also to come 👍

[@wasteland1212]

This is THE best video of "The Best of Year" comparison in YT world.

[@AskGolfNut]

Got 2 more to come so I've set the bar high already 😊

[@Michael.Sandoval33]

Your breakdown of the Ai200 is spot on. When i tried them at a fitting, I was able to get them going as my ball striking was pretty good that day. Tried them at a couple shops after, and plain could not hit them. Another great video 🙌🏽

[@AskGolfNut]

They are a great club, for certain golfers at certain times. Really good at getting the ball launching and has a really good face speed.... Just needs to work a little better on overall forgiveness to be a serious contender for most amateur golfers 👍

[@Gentsgolf]

Nailed it again Jay... topnotch. 👏

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks very much for your kind feedback 👍

[@alestev24]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. It is wonderful, how you go into details, how you weigh all the different aspects which could make a club work for a certain type of player or not. The work you put into this is astounding, and we are all better off because of it. Having said that, I guess it is really impudent to wish for a comparison with older models as well. For those of us who are looking for bargains on model, which are already outphased 😉

[@AskGolfNut]

Thank you 😊 I will always help out if i can so feel free to put your comparison suggestions below! If I have them to hand and if there is enough call for it, I'll absolutely add it to my list 👍

[@alestev24]

@@AskGolfNut Well, if you are willing.... 😀 Mizuno JPX 923 Forged are a set, which are on sale right now, and I believe that they would fall into this category as well. I, for one would appreciate a comparison with the irons you covered in this video. Thank you.

[@alestev24]

@@AskGolfNut Typo in my original reply, which made it read like I wasn't making much sense, I fear. I meant the JPX923 Forged, but in the meantime, I have watched most of the direct comparison videos you made with them.

[@dobster5819]

Great information Jay, your videos are top notch. Many thanks.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks so much for the kind words 👍

[@scottbone8913]

I love that your analysis is data driven...keep up the good work!

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks for the kind feedback. Have you watched the other videos in the best of 2024 series? 👍

[@lsmjake]

Wow, what an analysis. Great work on presenting the data and being non-biased. This reaffirms my satisfaction with my purchase of Srixon ZX5's this year... love them!

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad it was helpful and thanks for mentioning the fact that I am always unbiased and try to deliver the information with the golfer in mind 👍

[@douglasgardner4004]

Love all these comparisons. Especially the heat maps. Just joined bronze membership to get access to your heat map database. Very interesting to compare irons. Gives me confidence that I've got a good deal of forgiveness with my Pro 223 irons. Cheers!

[@AskGolfNut]

Lovely to have you along and a part of the AGN community. Don't forget the weekly members only live streams 👍

[@suprand]

Srixon so underrated. New model coming out this winter I saw so the current zx5 will be even a better value

[@AskGolfNut]

Very true although always the old versions are standard stock only or pre custom fit orders so unable apart from lie and loft bending to be fitted to someone new 👍

[@peterpark1013]

Love my zx5.

[@adamwagstaffe7786]

Doing gods work as always mate! Great video.

[@AskGolfNut]

The Golf Gods work maybe 😊👍

[@SuperElicas]

Really enjoy your in-depth work - thanks for the insights 👌

[@AskGolfNut]

Got more videos on this in the coming week 👍

[@andrewwailes7858]

Legendary Jay! Can’t wait for the “Players” Review! Great work mate!!

[@AskGolfNut]

All coming very soon. I have to re film the videos as I've updated the forgiveness heading to try and make it more representatively understandable. I've got an update to this video to do as some feedback surrounding this requires me to do a small update. Then the Game Improvement video will be coming and the Players afterwards to follow 👍

[@JayyBee19]

Can’t wait for the PXG episode

[@AskGolfNut]

Going to PXG to film. Will be fitted into all the irons and then will be doing each of them in reviews coming soon. All fully face heat mapped to see how well they really work 👍👍

[@dontoworry]

Great comparison!! I’d really like the same with drivers.

[@AskGolfNut]

This is defo on the cards and the heat map process for mapping driver faces is now functioning. We have a few Drivers already mapped and on my Discord for my KZbin Members to view. All the new releases will be heatmap'd also as they come out to generate a Driver database of the most forgiving and the Driver that hits closest to its Max from off centre strikes. We have a 42 iron strong database currently, all current models so it is fastly becoming the most comprehensive comparison tool around 👍

[@colecole4774]

Great video! Seriously awesome! Boo Titleist and PXG for not reaching out and working with you!

[@AskGolfNut]

PXG finally did, but were late to the party so I'll no doubt add them in an so an update video 👍

[@SonnyBurnett-sc6ed]

I believe Titleist may only participate if the outcome is already known!😹

[@madflava21]

I love trying out new clubs with global golf. While I have greatly enjoyed hitting a few sets (most recently the TM p7cb's), they make me appreciate my zx5's more every time. I loved hitting the p7cb's, the sound and feel for me was as good as (if not better than) the mizuno 243's, another personal favorite. While the dispersion numbers front to back tightened, it doesn't justify spending more while the zx5's are an absolute bargain and perform almost as well.

[@AskGolfNut]

The fact that you are testing them is the best thing, you never know when the next iron head and shaft combo will unlock a hidden piece of handicap reduction. Seen it many times and that's why I test in the detail I do. Keep enjoying testing new stuff 👍

[@kevinmcdonald1917]

Great review, liked and subscribed.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks for the sub! Welcome to the AGN community 👍 there is a discord server where other golfers randomly chat and talk about golf (link in the description), feel free to drop by there also 👍

[@BrettWaldemar]

Brilliant! Very helpful for those of us who are always looking forward to our next "more perfect" set or irons lol

[@AskGolfNut]

There's always the next more perfect options out there 🙂 it never ends 😀

[@GCasRod]

Really interesting. Thanks Jay, as always. Srixon is such a good manufacturer that, unfortunately, doesn’t get the love it deserves…

[@AskGolfNut]

Amazing really. As long as they can keep the spin levels up on the new replacements, they will score very highly again in 2025 👍

[@stooch66]

I play the ZX5 MkII. Love them…but, can’t compare them to the others…nice to see that I didn’t make a terrible choice!

[@AskGolfNut]

Definitely not 👍 as long as they were fitted correctly then all is good 👍

[@darrengriffiths8708]

Great club review!

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you enjoyed the video 👍

[@PeteCroft1]

Great review Jay, when you are iron fitting, how much difference to spin, launch etc does shaft selection have?

[@davidlewisTN]

Great analysis. Confirms my choice of Srixon.😊

[@AskGolfNut]

Srixon are one of the best sleepers of all manufacturers, if their marketing was like Taylormades, they would be the best selling irons hands down 👍

[@Tognar]

This really speaks to the future of 3-D printing irons. For a first GEN product that is pretty mind blowing. I imagine in a few years time we will be able to custom build 3-D irons for a individual players unique needs.

[@AskGolfNut]

What really makes this iron so good also is the data capture for it. There are a few among the 42 irons now captured that have a large dataset so better resolution on the heatmaps. The others are created with limited data points from the original full reviews I did from miss hits spoken about on camera. Some of the legacy data captures are being updated to improve their accuracy and removing any risk of misrepresenting them amongst the others. I'll do update videos to include any small changes to the rankings 👍

[@esk99l32]

Great comparison video - just what golfers need. Look forward to the same type of video for players' irons to see how the P770 performs.

[@AskGolfNut]

Best of Game Improvement Irons coming next hopefully Sunday and then the Players on Tuesday afternoon 👍

[@AlabamaGolfer]

@@AskGolfNut looking forward to it. Keep up the good work!

[@Carl_Spackler]

I can see myself using the comparison data from these "best of videos" as another tool in the box for when I get fit for irons. I'm getting to the point where I've narrowed it down to just a couple of heads to try, at which point my club fitting session gets simplified to a shaft fitting.

[@AskGolfNut]

Shaft fitting is a fun task especially depending on the golfer. Can get some really good gains from a correct shaft fitting and others see very little at all. Wonderful world of humans playing golf 😊

[@davidjoseph7142]

Excellent analysis as usual. I was really expecting the 245’s to rank much higher.

[@AskGolfNut]

I've got an update to this video coming tomorrow where I've after feedback changed the way the overall forgiveness column is represented so it's more able to be understood how forgiving one club is compared to the next. Also due to some rounding errors there are a couple of irons that swap places a little but nothing that affects the winners. The Pro 245 moves up the order a little but it's only correct adjusted rounding so not any huge leaps 👍

[@mvansb23]

Great analysis. Maybe I just like it for confirmation bias as I switched the LIMIT3D this summer. They really are fantastic. The forgiveness is real. I would rate them just ok on feel. I supposed within the category the feel is good. But compared to the T100S I switched from - the feel is not great. You do get good feedback which is nice. While they are very forgiving low and toe as the data showed, you can definitely still tell when you miss low or toe or heel. That’s a good thing in my mind as a lot of forgiving irons don’t provide any feedback. I can’t explain what I don’t love about the feel. Just different coming from blades / players cavity backs.

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely if you are coming from those types of irons then nothing will feel quite the same. They do a decent job and actually a very good job within their category for feel, but they could never compete with a full on lovely blade forging for the feel side of things........ Everything else though, it totally munches them 😀👍

[@atbear]

Great vid! Did the data get messed up between 5:56 and 6:04? The club order remained sorted, but the Face Speed data got re-ordered.

[@andy_bickley]

Yup if you check out Jays pinned comment he says he made a mistake in editing. The values are correct when he first sorts them and then after the cut they go unsorted.

[@atbear]

@@andy_bickley Thanks - I was on the YT mobile app and missed that. Thanks for informing me politely!

[@richardjacobs7632]

Thanks sir!

[@AskGolfNut]

You are very welcome 👍

[@petersquires4168]

Great video Jay, going to take a look at the Srixon models, although not easy given there are so few stockists, which is strange given their quality. Disappointing that Titleist and PXG couldn’t be bothered to respond to your requests for demo clubs. Perhaps they were not confident of their clubs being put up against the competition! 😂 Keep up the good work. 👍

[@AskGolfNut]

Good news on the PXG front, they have agreed to give me their iron range to test. I'm shortly going to go to their flagship facility in the UK to get custom fitted for them. So I will absolutely be doing update videos adding them in once I have done all of the singular PXG full reviews 👍 Titleist on the other hand.... I don't know what next to do 🤷

[@KinchenC]

Amazing comparison. It would be great if you could do a comparison against the top 5 or so of each category as a final round up so we can see what we are giving up forgiveness/spin wise when switching between categories like Srizon ZX5 vs Mizuno Hot Metal HL.

[@AskGolfNut]

I may well do an overall at the end of the series...... I didn't want to do too many as I don't want peoples eyes and heads to explode with all the numbers 😀👍

[@Razorpullin]

Can you put up the final data set for all 12 clubs please Jay? Excellent work & I will be joining your membership.

[@AskGolfNut]

I think with this kind of information it's best kept to my memberships to see whenever they want. A lot of work goes into this and my members have supported me for a long time so I want to ensure that I give back to them by giving them special access to this kind of information. There may well be tiers of access with the amount of data and characteristics of an iron now being captured. Either way though the entry level Bronze memberships will always receive full access to the Heat map compare file that can compare directly the Forgiveness level visually between all the current irons I have tested 👍

[@pasquilu]

Thanks … fantastic review. Only comment the Cobra irons seem little Overpriced

[@sevesellors2831]

Great review Jay looking forward to the game improvement video and can’t believe that Titleist won’t send you clubs or even respond to the best reviewer on u tube, they are missing a trick still it’s their loss. The new PXG black ops look very good too. In this review it seems the Wilson Dynapwr forged not outstanding in this category. Making my decision in January.

[@SonnyBurnett-sc6ed]

I believe Titleist may only participate if the outcome is already known! 😹

[@sevesellors2831]

@@SonnyBurnett-sc6ed interesting!

[@Nonfortiscedtenax]

Its so crazy looking at those numbers, Objective facts. However: as an average golfer I wanted to love the Cobra's, tried and tried hitting a tester on mats and turf & different shafts....and I just couldn't get any consistency or regular good strikes on them. I guess there are more factors to consider in the twilight zone of golfclubs than stone cold facts

[@AskGolfNut]

Interestingly I have an update video to come to this (not including PXG yet but will update again once I have, done the full reviews) as the Forgiveness side of things has been tweaked a bit for potential better understanding. Also some small rounding errors meant that a couple of irons have swapped places a little but nothing to change the winners, they are still firmly in their spots 👍

[@randymahony8157]

Ja, could you please do this analysis on the game improvement irons. Thanks

[@AskGolfNut]

Got that coming hopefully Sunday afternoon 👍

[@gabemcnair5643]

What about Maltby? Would be nice to hear your opinion.

[@AskGolfNut]

Personally I have found that my own experience with hitting clubs on GCQuad sometimes gives different information than what the Maltby data shows. I'll always trust what I see and produce myself more than something I can't question, query or replicate 👍

[@anthonygiuliano6574]

Should do this with wedges .. I struggle hitting the center with wedges

[@AskGolfNut]

Wedges are an interesting topic for forgiveness as due to their loft, that alone is the single most important part of its forgiveness. A manufacturer could put every bell and whistle of tech in wedges and it literally makes no difference to its MOI or forgiveness. With wedges unfortunately it's getting fitted for the loft, bounce and grind and learning how it's used. 🤷 Sorry to be a bearer or bad news 👍👍👍

[@Justingolfs4]

Was Sub 70 a part of this testing?

[@3ARCBA]

Can't wait for the 3d printed irons to be a real thing that isn't quite as cost prohibitive

[@AskGolfNut]

Always were going to be expensive with it being the Gen 1 retail release, absolutely no doubt that if Cobra continue with this line of design then price will be reducing with the ability to mass produce them 👍

[@jameswconforti4248]

Jay, where can we view all the stats?

[@andy_bickley]

The heat maps for all Irons are available in the AGN Discord server (for AGN bronze members are higher). The advanced stats as seen in the Best of videos will be available after all the best of videos have been released (possibly at a higher tier of membership). Discord Invite link is in the video description.

[@paulmcgee1867]

However what has Titleist released this year ?

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Paul, if they would have replied to my many attempts at communication I could very easily answer that question 🙂👍

[@skxf430]

T150 and T200's are the most current distance clubs

[@paulmcgee1867]

@@skxf430 from 2024?

[@skxf430]

@@paulmcgee1867 Titleist released in 2023 and typically their cycle is every 2 years. So, maybe on the near horizon in late 2025

[@paulmcgee1867]

@@skxf430 so not for this video

[@77bovi]

Nice review! But no excuses on not having Titleist since you must know players who have their clubs - so many people around me do, especially their irons. Just borrow and review. Am I missing something?

[@AskGolfNut]

Maybe years ago when I was working in an arena with many regular normal golfers in and around me, but since going KZbin full time I'm not associated with a club and club members directly to be able to have that option 👍 if I did know a specific person or number of people to borrow their own equipment for the reviews etc I would have to re borrow it every time I wanted to do a comparison etc.... Would get very old very quickly and very inconvenient for the poor people's golf clubs I'm borrowing 👍

[@77bovi]

@@AskGolfNut you'd be surprised, I'm sure you have enough fans and some of them are likely club whores with multiple sets.

[@lawbinson]

Wow, limit3d proving out!

[@AskGolfNut]

Surprised me also, the Quad doesn't lie or care who wins 🙂 it just keeps measuring 😀

[@stephendibari5010]

Too bad Titleist doesn't respond to you. Would've liked to see T150's in here. My 2021 T100S irons are the best irons i've ever played and i've been playing just over 30 years. Fully Forged heads with loads of Tungsten in the heel and toe. super forgiving. Your data and heat maps are the best

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks very much and I agree that I'd like to see how well they do. They could very well top the charts but Titleist seem unable to reply to emails etc which is disappointing at the very least 😔

[@SonnyBurnett-sc6ed]

It’s interesting that any comparison conducted by the other British reviewers that features a Titleist club, the Titleist club usually wins 🤔🤔🤔 Is the outcome already known?

[@randymahony8157]

Ja, sorry, but I have another request . Could you please compare the Mizuno jpx925 hot medal and the Srizon zx4 mk11. Thanks

[@AskGolfNut]

In a specific singular comparison video? Soon with the new releases coming the current mk2 irons will be discontinued very soon and so may well be better to put the new ones to the test 👍

[@SonnyBurnett-sc6ed]

It’s interesting that any comparison conducted by the other British reviewers that features a Titleist club, the Titleist club usually wins 🤔🤔🤔

[@chrisfaliao4675]

Best players cavity back irons next?

[@AskGolfNut]

Coming after the Game Improvement video. I have an update to this video to produce and release as after some feedback I have changed the Forgiveness column to try and make it more understandable for people to see relative differences between irons in it's forgiveness and also a couple of rounding errors that means a few clubs positions have swapped a bit but no actual differences whatsoever to the winners 👍

[@sumitagg1]

MP 245 vs 923F? both have same lofts

[@AskGolfNut]

Already done and can be seen at the link below 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWfJnq17aZlrsNE

[@frednugent8068]

Cleveland?

[@andy_bickley]

i don't think Cleveland makes anything in the players distance category.

[@lawbinson]

Hmm, aren't Caley and Takomo the same heads? Or maybe not.

[@AskGolfNut]

Definitely not, well not from my testing anyway. Ball reacts very differently. May aesthetically look similar but CG placement and internal tech is definitely different 👍

[@lawbinson]

@@AskGolfNut Good to know :) Thanks as always. Could it be a numbering difference? Ex. Takomo 8 and Caley 7 are the same head?