Why Millions Are Deleting Adobe | Asmongold Reacts

[@Jarikraider]

*Writes an entire book* *Accidentally opens the book for the first time in Adobe for 0.01 seconds* Adobe: "I made this."

[@yeid44]

Lmao

[@mrpro7737]

😂😂

[@Blisterdude123]

Adobe is window into the future of corporations with a total monopoly. They can do what they want, there's no alternatives or competition to rein in their actions, and there's no market imperative for them to be fair to the consumer, because you either have Adobe or you have nothing. You as the customer have no rights, and you deserve no rights, and there's no way you'll get any rights if a corporations entirely conquers a market and establishes a monopoly. People should be looking at this and worrying about what happens if Sony 'wins' the console war. All gamers lose, when that happens.

[@millanferende6723]

Or "Your Adobe car is older than 5 years. You are no longer licensed to use it and it has been disabled. Transport and disposal of the car is at the cost of the user, as per the agreement. Please purchase a new vehicle."

[@0x2A_]

@@millanferende6723 I think you just summed up leasing a car 😂

[@ristopaasivirta9770]

Fun fact, you cannot remove your credit card information from Adobe. They just reply "Don't worry, your credit card information is kept safely." This has been going on for many years.

[@catcollision8371]

Wow! lol Evil company. I dislike adobe as much as microsoft and google.

[@Rovalowy]

Bruh.

[@stefankroon4615]

Site european data law and demand they remove your information. You can set up a quick and easy EU HQ on a PO box to make sure they don't try to weasel out on you.

[@TheMegamanan]

Use a virtual card for any subscription, aways.

[@ristopaasivirta9770]

@@TheMegamanan Yea I actually nowadays have online use disallowed on my cards and only turn it on for the period I am actually buying something.

[@BonusPokus]

Adobe makes it so that piracy becomes duty.

[@BULD0SIS]

they know everyone pirates it. but they know other companies CANT pirate it, so they can put whatever price they want on it

[@xe69iqju5d]

Gotta do watchu gotta do

[@tteqhu]

Why not turn to try alternatives?

[@TreasureHoardingDungeonDwarf]

@@tteqhu depends on the task. GIMP/Krita, ok. For videos? Capcut? Resolve? FAR FAR FAR inferior. It's not even a competition.

[@rign_]

@@tteqhu Sometimes, Alternatives are not the answer

[@HANDLEHANDLEHANDLEHANDLE27]

I've been saying for years since companies started switching to subscription based models to use their software is a dangerous and slippery slope to go down. I was met with criticism from people saying "but it's literally cheaper to do subscriptions over one-time-purchases!" which is intellectually inept and shows no ability to look at things in the long term. Not only are you paying more with yearly (or monthly) subscriptions in the long term compared to OTPs, but you're also allowing companies to removed your ability to use the product you "paid" for at any moment for any conceivable reason. This also allows for companies to make bogus ToS agreements that lets them take and use anything you create with their products and claim it as their own, since they are the ones who truly own the software and you merely have a temporary license.

[@v9productions]

Yeah people don’t look at things for the long run…. The fact you end up paying around $600 a year and you have it for 3years you’ve given them $1800 lmaooo when you could of just paid $700 flat one time

[@malcolmliang]

Hello, very important thing here. I was on subscription for Adobe Acrobat professional. On cancellation they wanted to charge me a $350 cancellation fee, I compiled small claims paperwork right away and ask them to waive it or we are going to court, they immediately waived that $350. Just want to let people know so people don't get fleeced. Please upvote this so people can see it and not get fleeced when they want to cancel.

[@malcolmliang]

Also, I really don't care if you put it in the contract. I have read, signed, breached contracts and still won compensations before. Just sue them in small claims, it's not that hard.

[@AuroraGw2]

You can also just call your credit card company and say it's a malicious company/scam and stop all charges and future charges to them. Credit card companies are very consumer friendly.

[@aaronkoning7255]

@@AuroraGw2 I got a Tarkov refund once through a chargeback because I told Discover that the Tarkov devs not disclosing the cheaters in their commercials and copyright striking people giving negative reviews was actually misleading advertising.

[@themalcontent100]

Did you remember to remove creative cloud? If not it is running in the background.

[@Goldbergeri]

Oh this is why a guy i know canchelled adobe, removed credit card info and was still automatically paying for subscription as they got that yearly thing. My girlfriend is professional photographer using adobe

[@nickylag3912]

My web design teacher got so mad at Adobe, she when on a 10 min rant and give us the link to pirate all of their products.

[@albertlong3492]

where's the link

[@nickylag3912]

@@albertlong3492 Sorry dude can't post link on KZbin, beside it on her Drive so I can't share that with rando now

[@nickylag3912]

​@@albertlong3492 first, you can't share link on KZbin (sadly). Second, it on her personal Drive so I don't want to share that to other people You have to sail the seven seas for this one

[@albertlong3492]

@@nickylag3912 fair enough

[@rogerelzenga4465]

Based af!

[@Happymouth1]

"Subscription service" needs to be litigated to protect your rights If you buy something that says "We will never touch anything of yours" and a year later they change it to "We are going to touch everything of yours, if you don't agree then you lose access to all the work and projects you put into your product" that should be illegal.

[@stefankroon4615]

That literally IS illegal. It's just not enforced and nobody can afford to sue.

[@robsilvester6213]

Subscription service apps are BS, period. MAYBE if there is on-going and constantly updating benefit, like access to a clipart library. But a lot of these run on a 'pay to retain access to the thing you bought' model.

[@SuperLifestream]

Wont work because companies use "we can change these terms of service at any time with out notifying you"

[@GeorgeMonet]

@@stefankroon4615 This is not true. Major studios can and will file lawsuits.

[@filipbitala2624]

@@SuperLifestreamterms of service are a legal contract, a legal contract cant be ilegal

[@BowsettesFury]

This is why subscription models should be illegal.

[@jl_117]

it makes sense for some things, but what should be illegal is predatory behavior and misleading claims to trap customers

[@andrasbiro3007]

No, it can be useful in some cases. And also make sense when the product requires significant ongoing support, like ChatGPT which runs on very expensive servers. The problem is abusing your monopoly status. If you are not a monopoly then customers can boycott your product, and they'll also know faster if you exploit them, as they can compare you to your competitors.

[@viktorworld1351]

The free economy should be illegal?If you make a software you cant decide how do you sell that?Lots of the people use cracked softwares and never pay anything,thats shuldnt be illegal?

[@michaelo9273]

A cancellation fee should be illegal on digital products. End of discussion. Cancellation fees are a way to protect the seller from bearing unreasonable (or any) costs as a result of the customer backing out of a contract. My business, with physical items, charges a cancellation fee for orders depending on their progress through production. Real costs that need to be offset. Digital products have no such cost, not even labour costs to handle the cancellation process.

[@user-pc5qj2ix2c]

They'll claim administration costs ;)

[@malcolmliang]

They can waive it for you, I got them to waive it, do not say "I am going to sue you" just COMPLETE that paperwork and tell them to fill it in and give you legal department email, they will get the message. They wanted to charge me $300+ to cancel. Waived it 100%.

[@solarydays]

@@Yomomma-w3o exactly

[@nubemuffin]

Although you're partially right, not entirely. There are indeed real costs that come with selling a yearly subscription, such as server infrastructure (through guys like AWS or Azure) and digital services that that they need to use to provide the final service to you (APIs such as Stripe). When you have 10,000 people buy a year subscription, you have to go and then upgrade your plan with your service providers to account for that. If people then unsubscribe after a year, you'll incur a great loss.

[@Telhias]

@@nubemuffin No you don't. The only situation in which you would incur a great loss is if a significant part of your customers unsubscribed at the same time. If that happens then you are in one of two groups. Either you started offering a subscription for a product that should've been sold instead or you are dealing with a malicious actor who created loads of subscriptions to then cancel them at the same time. The second one is extremely unlikely as you can sue them to recoup the costs. The first one? You deserve it for your lack of foresight.

[@redbird1928]

I’ve hated Adobe since it went subscription based. I’ve used GIMP for years now and love it. I’m never going back.

[@Square31]

How is GIMP? I have it on my computer and have never tried it.

[@GutsmanLoL]

You’re using WHAT? 😂

[@shadden_x]

yeah i love gimps too. wait what

[@krzysztofpaszkiewicz1274]

I really want to like GIMP but working on layers is just painful in that program.

[@Tory-JJ]

league players trying not to goon for 5m.

[@vazanere]

The US government is suing because they themselves use Adobe and are realizing they can't cancel. LMAO

[@zephyrz0902]

lol

[@GGG_gaming]

sadly probably true you have to pay to cancel the subscription for every single work station (remember adobe wants every user to be licensed and not shared) so if a big company wants to cancel that is ALOT of money

[@Hadgerz]

Of course, they'll only step in when it affects one of their own.

[@mannotwiththeplan]

Yeah, we should cancel the US government. This problem will go away with the free market.

[@rollind2456]

I’m in IT Procurement for a state department, we’re in the stages of exploration of moving off of Adobe. I could only imagine the hell the US Government has to deal with over them

[@lauter352]

Personally I quit Adobe 12 years ago, because of subscription. It was in 2012. In the beginning it was tricky, because Final Cut Pro X was full of bugs, Pixelmator too. But nowadays you have the Affinity Suite, Da Vinci for editing and compositing, Tumult Hype for Html 5 animations, Wordpress and Divi for websites, etc.. Adobe deserves what happens now. Quit Adobe Now…

[@DrEvilMiniMi374]

Isnt Divi just a template scam … 🤦‍♂🤣

[@photobackflip]

I got banned from the Adobe community forum for pointing out stolen content being sold and asking for a report button.

[@lrjxbox1574]

free speech is fun, shame it goes away when pointing out criticisms of powerful people.

[@solkn]

Im a graphic designer, stopped using anything adobe 4 years ago and my workflow does not miss it. Absolute scumbags.

[@SharmV]

Been cracking adobe products since CS2, fuck adobe since day.

[@Chapizard]

What alternative software do you use?

[@qunas101]

So your clients don't need Adobe file formats?

[@Paralianpoet]

So what alternative that you use?

[@Noname304y2u2]

What do you use now? I wish there was a free photoshop app as good as davinci resolve vs Adobe premiere.

[@mrgreensuit7379]

Imagine a wrench company tries to claim your car because you used their tool to tighten a bolt. This is the same thing that software companies are trying to do. You don't own our work because we used your tool.

[@piotrjeske4599]

Funny you mention this, because in my country claimed that because EVERYTHING was build by factory and rural workers , there for the goverment that represents the workers owns EVERYTHING. From factories, land , flats to clothes , food , toilet paper and even ideas and thoughts of people.

[@flo3ly777]

@@piotrjeske4599what communist country do you live in

[@EKk8819]

The whole "it was written in the small print" argument is such trash, unless these people make it clear they can take their product away from you at any moment even tho u bought it, sue them! Nobody reads small print and it's written like that so they can oakie doke you!

[@zaryabK-vi8fh]

piracy

[@mrgreensuit7379]

@@EKk8819 I'm of the opinion that some contracts cannot be made no matter what you sign or agree to. You cannot sell yourself into bondage for example, and these walls of text they make you click agree to should be considered worthless.

[@cinderblockstudios]

One correction. Adobe hasn't had a monopoly on creative software since the 90s. One of the only reason they're still in business is because of corporations and schools using their software. There are cheaper (and some free), better alternatives already.

[@liszcgsedt]

Presumably, this long march thru schools and government and creating this huge legacy dependency is why M$ is so prevalent (in Europe, that is) and FOSS difficult to deploy en masse.

[@thekeysman6760]

Indeed. Gimp is open-source and free and has had additions that were then copied by other software. The same with Blender. Even Audacity has tools that became adopted by paid software. We don't need Adobe.

[@bagirute112]

As an artist i dropped adobe back when they first introduced subs. It was major red flag that company is going to hell when you have to pay more for an art program than art itself

[@tinkercat8268]

Krita works great. And it's free.

[@joshanonline]

Dropped it too. It's a pain to make that st*** software work with so many hurdles... I rather quit Art than give those pigs money.

[@joaodasilva4174]

I used only paper, pencil and pen.

[@Gornius]

@@tinkercat8268 Just remember, if it helps you earn the money, consider giving some back through donations or ideas for how to improve the product. FOSS developers are precious treasure of internet and they should be rightfully rewarded for their hard work. Your opinion and your every penny really does matter for them, unlike for Adobe.

[@gabrielegagliardi3956]

Some even says that Substance Painter, Photoshop, After Effects and all the others work much better when pirated, because you don't have that ultra heavy cloud work in the background and totally useless "upgrades". Netflix was the same, pirated version on a random site 1080p, your regular paid licensed version 720p..Pirates have a better product than honest people, and you wonder if you should call yourself stupid and not honest anymore.

[@davidfox2650]

I paid 500 to OWN photoshop because of college. I tried logging in to find out they flatout REMOVED my license and download because you're not allowed to OWN it anymore only rent... piracy all the way bro

[@newworldforward1842]

Yep

[@alecday3775]

Or you could switch to Gimp cause that is like Photoshop but it doesn't have Adobe backing it. Yeah it might not have all the same features, but it is still gets the job done. There are alternatives out there and Gimp is the more well-known alternative photo editor and that is the one everyone is switching to.

[@Rai2M]

@@alecday3775 Gimp DOES SUCK. Use Corel or Affinity software instead. Gimp is like Microsoft Paint on steroids. Slow and buggy crap.

[@radovanobal3842]

GIMP is fine for home hobby stuff, but it is far from professional production ready.

[@hpitura]

@@alecday3775 affinity photo/designer is much better alternative than gimp (although you have to pay for it, but not as much as for adobe, and you own it, get your installer file)

[@-KillaWatt-]

This is the problem with monopolies. Lack of any meaningful competition makes them lazy with no checks and balances.

[@veganbadassTTV]

so true

[@lordgarth1]

They’re not a monopoly.

[@RocKM001]

Enshittification at its finest!

[@led-0185]

​@@lordgarth1they abuse patenting to prevent other developers from using tools similar to theirs, meaning they cannot compete with Adobe directly.

[@TGPDrunknHick]

@@lordgarth1 they are what people immediately think of when it comes to image editing. Gimp brings other things to mind and Photopea is probably no better than Adobe for storing data.

[@Gustavae]

I remember this happening to AOL users back in the day. They purposefully made it difficult to switch to other providers and continued to bill users even if they tried to cancel.

[@Vagabond_Etranger]

I used NetZero back then, never AOL. Sprint did this to me. Cancel them, went to the store to pay my final bill. Got the release code for my phone. 1 month later Sprint sent me a bill for the past month. I laughed. They sold it to collection. Told collection to pound sand as well, as I'm not wasting more of my time for your mistake.

[@FuriousMarketing]

I studied Adobe during my Digital Marketing Strategy course at Harvard Business School online. Switching to a cloud based subscription based model was pivotal to them. They are showing that yearly is cheaper, then hiding a huge, malicious cancelation fee, then disabling any way to stop auto-renewal. Their focus on retention is about tactics and gimicks and not improving the CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. I am disgusted by this.

[@whosaguhboi938]

Who was the responsible for this kind of strategy, wasn’t it the same dude who ruined Ubisoft too? With his Microtransaction fiasco?

[@randommortal3383]

Alot of gyms use this strategy. They hit you with the “its much cheaper to have a contract membership.” Then come the levies and impossible cancellation.

[@raisti6608]

Thats the way all monopolies operate. As soon as they have no "real" competitor anymore, the companies always shift focusing from customer needs to the customers wallet.

[@tonyhart2744]

You know its bad when people from bussiness school is disgusted 😂

[@prospect2664]

Get a new card and close your old one, thats only like max 10€

[@AC3handle]

Louis Rossmann has been saying this shit for not just years, DECADES. The problem we're having is when people say 'oh then just don't do business with that company." But then you have other companies that do roughly the same thing, and they see Adobe raking in the profits, so THEY start aping the same business aspects. In many cases, simply to survive.

[@tacticalidiots2340]

Capitalism in action, survival of the most ruthless and scummiest

[@AndragonLea]

That and sometimes there just aren't any alternatives that work nearly as well. If you want your software to work on phones, you HAVE to work with android, apple or both. If you don't, you're ditching the lion's share of the market.

[@GeorgeMonet]

If a business has to give it to consumers up the butt to survive then that business should not be allowed to survive.

[@sonnguyen-iv7gv]

Adobe stock rises day by day, sheeps will continue support the company till the end of the world

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@tacticalidiots2340 That's corporatism, not the big scary strawman you mentioned here. Capitalism would be what Asmongold and others here are doing - the free market acting and reacting.

[@j_stach]

GIMP, Inkscape, Blender, FreeCad, Okular Never rent software

[@antwango]

blender is the obvious one there.. but how powerful and versatile is gimp? ive heard about it and i think i might even have it.... blender actually looks amazing and seems like multiple programs in one... maybe heard of freecad... how does it compare to vectorworks or autocad...have no idea what okular is... need to check it out

[@barrett2020]

blender is not easy at start

[@eltonmj]

Affinity Designer is the best, pay once and own it as it should be.

[@jonathanstone4878]

I grew up with Photoshop (way back when ALDUS was around) and moved to Affinity, but I still miss many of the tools and ease of use. Nothing comes close to Lightroom either :(.

[@purpasmart_4831]

Don't forget Darktable and Krita.

[@VynxeVainglory]

Ironically, there are free and open source alternatives to each of their softwares that come very close and even exceed the quality of Adobe in some cases. They are cooked.

[@LackLusterMedia]

I'm halfway out of it. Still migrating.

[@RectalPower]

What did you migrate to? I'm still looking for alternatives..

[@fernandoborges1736]

@@RectalPower Davinci for videos, hands down. Have a nice day

[@lowfade556]

@PandaPrimeX for video editing, try out davinci resolve

[@BlackCatRedScarf]

Video Editing was kinda easy for me when I went to ShotCut. It lacks some features, but it didn't disrupt my workflow. Replacing Photoshop is proving to be a bit harder, because stuff like GIMP is not as responsive and agile as Photoshop and there is a serious lack of features in the competition. I'm curious what could replace Photoshop.

[@bdstratton1979]

@@RectalPower Look up Affinety Desiner, Affinity Photo 2

[@sirhc1528]

And thats why "Stop killing games" is so important. It creates a law for buying= owning games and once a law like this exists and works, it is easier to make one for other software related products.

[@yous2244]

PirateSoftware is crying though. He's saying you agreed to be a slave in the TOS so it's okay 😭

[@sirhc1528]

@@yous2244 let him cry, he is a idiot for not understanding it. He takes the proposal as already written law, which is wrong.

[@Blisterdude123]

Adobe is window into the future of corporations with a total monopoly. They can do what they want, there's no alternatives or competition to rein in their actions, and there's no market imperative for them to be fair to the consumer, because you either have Adobe or you have nothing. You as the customer have no rights, and you deserve no rights, and there's no way you'll get any rights if a corporations entirely conquers a market and establishes a monopoly. People should be looking at this and worrying about what happens if Sony 'wins' the console war. All gamers lose, when that happens.

[@Govakhelsborne]

@@sirhc1528 I disagree with him in the grand scale but he does bring up some fair points in his video that should be taken into consideration to strengthen the movement

[@QuadDrums]

​@@sirhc1528oh he understands it, he's just a pos

[@honeydew1254]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing :)

[@vandecasa3795]

The thing is: Adobe probably doesn't care too much about their software being pirated, especially by individuals and educational institutions. Why? Because this way new people are getting hooked on their software, even if they can't afford it right now, and in case they later need to use it professionally, they are more likely to stick with it and pay for it instead of switching to alternatives, which they never got to know.

[@Krichnu]

I don't need excuses like that.

[@c0ldc0ne]

You never owned the software. You purchased a license to use it, which came with certain terms and conditions prohibiting you from reselling, sharing, modifying or distributing the software like you could if you owned it.

[@evanpage2540]

When I was a student I got access to Photoshop for $8/mo or something crazy low. What I didn't realise was after 12 months the student deal expired and it ticked over to charging over $50/mo. At no point did it explain this - it would have been buried in some sub section of a 200 page agreement found 10-pages deep into a website rabbit hole.

[@RRM693]

It predatory to students and it should be illegal, especially the "charge you for cancellation " thing

[@laser__unicorn]

In my country you have to use a student e-mail (issued by the institution you're studying at) or a proof of scholarship and as long as you can prove you're a student, you can keep paying the student price. They check every 2 years and ask for you to validade your proof of scholarship, tho. I also noticed reading the comments that Adobes works differently where I live, because a lot of the things people are complaining about is completely ilegal here and I've never seen happening here (like refusing to delete your credit card info, for example), but I see happening all the time with users in the US.

[@konvrgnz6329]

Happened to me also, I mean after one year I was still student, they are milking everyone they can catch.

[@goodthanksbro]

@@laser__unicorn they don't even check , just tell them you're still a student and they'll reinstate it

[@Vagabond_Etranger]

It's all in the FINE PRINT. You just DIDN'T READ IT. Most common tactic for every company out there. Low prices to get you in. Then after trial period is over, it reverts to normal charge. You gotta cancel before trial expires. They clearly state it in their fine print, just gotta look for it.

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

Went from "give us $10,000 for Photoshop" to "give us $10,000 a month for Photoshop...oh yeah and we can ban your account if we disagree with something you said on twitter". I think the only reason the get away with it is because large corporations just pay the money going "cost of doing business" and potentially "a high price keeps competition to us from springing up."

[@ExpelMire]

Second one doesn't make sense too, a high price is only an incentive for competition to offer a cheaper alternative

[@Hieixjdjdjd]

@@ExpelMireyou failed to read the comment bro. Not adobes competition, the company using adobe has the competition. Hard to create a new creative business when you can’t afford the adobe fee.

[@moegreene3630]

They do it because politicians don’t do anything to stop them. They don’t set boundaries for big corpos like adobe.

[@kingdweeb5065]

@@ExpelMire It's not adobe thats saying that in the example given, it's a business owner paying for the suite.

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

@@ExpelMire Just to clarify I was saying the corporations using Adobe, which is effectively a monopoly, could see the high price as a a deterrent to people competing with their corporations business. If you had it wrong I understand, tried to keep it short and that can lead to easy misunderstandings. And in regards to your point of Adobe competition, don't underestimate the power of market saturation. That both lead to their monopoly and is what let them hold on to it. If simple market competition was enough to solve this problem, it would already be solved. That's where regulation comes in. Unlike communists do with communism, I as a free market capitalist don't think that capitalism is some perfect utopian system. Regulating the flaws of capitalism is one of the few legitimate jobs of government.

[@RogueAmarice]

"Pay up or we'll brick your shit and prevent you from running your business. We're holding your data hostage until you do." This is ransomware behaviour.

[@Govakhelsborne]

we'll also infect your computer with virus-level background software that will still remain when uninstalling

[@jamescheddar4896]

petty thuggery

[@npcknuckles5887]

If you agreed to that contract, then that's YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT.

[@mister-canada367]

@@npcknuckles5887 You can't agree to the contract when they keep changing it/hiding the important information until it becomes time to cancel it.

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

​@@npcknuckles5887Hello, our terms and conditions have been changed and now any of your future children will be sent to the Epstein Island. You simply viewing/reading this message means you have agreed to the change.

[@MaximilianonMars]

Affinity is the competitor to Adobe. It has programs to replace Photoshop and others. It's behind Photoshop in certain features, however they have recently been acquired by Canva and will be developed with users in mind. Perpetual licenses, no stealing data AFAIK, etc.

[@TheAxel65]

Back in the day you payed a fixed price for your software. You _owned_ it. New Version becomes available: You pay a smaller sum for upgrading, since you already payed for the base package. And you _own_ it. And the best: You _don't_ have to upgrade!

[@c0ldc0ne]

You never owned the software. You purchased a license to use it, which came with certain terms and conditions prohibiting you from reselling, sharing, modifying or distributing the software like you could if you owned it.

[@naptime43x]

yep, they realized they make more making people pay monthly or annually, also may or may not require constant internet connection to even use it. im still running a quickbooks version from 2007 and it cant be registered anymore, but still works for what i need it for, so suck it intuit

[@naptime43x]

@@c0ldc0ne semantics, you owned the physical copy and could run it when and how you saw fit without needing an internet connection or credit card on file.

[@joshanonline]

@@naptime43x We'll really own nothing and we'll have no choice but to be happy cuz miserable people won't be around anymore... Population gotta go down 90% after all. The more time passes, the more scared I become because the conspiracies only become more true and obvious. It just requires to pay attention...

[@joshanonline]

This scam software was actually worst than I thought. More dystopian than dystopian movies I've seen. Crazy...

[@nickmagrick7702]

"Im sorry sir, you bought your car in 1990 and we discontinued all vehicles before 1991 and im afraid you are not licensed to use that car anymore"

[@kennethnystrom593]

And dont even think off driving when its dark outside. (New EU law in the works)

[@diamonje]

@@kennethnystrom593 What the fuck are headlights for then? lmao

[@kennethnystrom593]

@@diamonje Ask the EU its thier idea.

[@CptCoach]

@@kennethnystrom593 Where do you got this from? I live in the EU and never heard of such bullshit.

[@kennethnystrom593]

@@CptCoach look it up, its a new law on its way about it. Takes you 2 sec to google it.

[@Saitorou]

I've stopped using Adobe since 2020. There's a lot of alternative software where you can just buy once and it's yours forever.

[@riku7342]

id say adobe's is still the best out of all editing programs if YOU pirate it

[@david_ce]

@@riku7342 it really isn’t The community makes after effects better nothing else. Resolve is equally as good if not better but has less people working on it and sharing what they know. Correct me if I’m wrong

[@jacobmcgill352]

@@riku7342 where would one find this version ;)

[@grixiscontrol]

dont know how to use it for free ?:D

[@jacobmcgill352]

@@grixiscontrol I’d like to figure out how lmao

[@LonelyPandora]

Currently do a digital art course with a mentor, and the topic of the AI came up and I remember him asking if I save my artwork on the Cloud and I said no. That was when he mentioned that when people saved their work on the Cloud, Adobe can allow the AI to use their work to create an artwork for someone else by only typing a few words.

[@raghav1026]

"I don't want to pay for this anymore." "Ok, please pay us for not wanting to pay for this anymore"

[@BlueInOrangeAgain]

it's a "restocking" fee ;)

[@mojojojo921]

my man, you bought a yearly sub. anywhere else you'd pay the full year upfront and get nothing back if you changed your mind.

[@Shin_FTW]

​@mojojojo921 If you bought something outright and can't get your money back, it means they won't take the product back, so while they keep your money, you keep the product. If you pay a subsection and wanna cut it early, you would also lose the subscription service early too, if you still have months left on the service. You can't use it anymore. They are not the same thing.

[@mojojojo921]

@@Shin_FTW you are arguing for the difference between a product and subscription when this is clearly a yearly SUBSCRIPTION paid in monthly increments. adobe might be the least scummy company in this area, because the cancellation fee is the equivalent of a partial refund, if the subscription was paid upfront as literally anywhere else. again, the vast majority of online subscription services just take your money for the full year, with no option to cancel or get a refund. you're only allowed to cancel next year's renewal

[@Mozers05]

Companies like these are the reason why a new golden age of piracy is coming back.

[@guts2787]

Not, providers can sift through your traffic in auto mode and issue fines for breaching terms of service.

[@SuperLifestream]

14:20 "Cancellation fees make up less then 1% of their revenue" Which ignores how many people are still subscribed BECAUSE of the fee.

[@oRnch199]

​@@guts2787good luck with that.

[@guts2787]

@@oRnch199 that's standard practice in EU for 1.5 decades. Lmao.

[@oRnch199]

@@guts2787 once they're arresting all the people saying naughty words on the internet, then i'll believe you.

[@Karloss00]

Adobe has always been a scam; I've never recalled them having a good reputation. Back in 2006 my IT teacher pirated copies of Photoshop CS3 for all 60 students because she knew it was a hard sell getting parents to fork out hundreds of pounds for computer software. The software was always buggy, always crashing, was an exorbitant amount of money but they got away with it because most of their competitors were freeware and only covered photoshop or flash, leaving the rest of their programs uncontested.

[@-RXB-]

The craziest thing is that most people would have bought it if it was reasonably priced. I don't know anyone who ever bought Photoshop. Even people that never used pirated software otherwise managed to get a hold of a pirated PS copy. They would have made more money if all these people had bought it, for a lower price.

[@CyberPolygon2077]

@@-RXB- I actually bought CS6 back then after using a very old pirated copy for a long time. I felt somehow obliged to pay off my debts at some point. ^^ But it was probably no longer worth it. It wasn't long before the subscription service came along, which meant that there were no longer any official patches and improvements for the purchased version. 🙄

[@pluto8404]

I think they marketed like Grey Goose vodka did. Because it was expensive people thought it was better quality.

[@Xirpzy]

I still have my CS6 licens somewhere. I liked using illustrator but never photoshop. Tools and layers just dont make any logical sense. Especially after using affinity for a while Ive come to realize how bad photoshop is. Still need it for work though sadly.

[@slimeplort]

it's not just that the service isn't covered, but that it's intimately tied with general business. Trying to get rid of Adobe is like trying to restart the entire corporate world. They don't exist because they're competent, they exist because it's much more costly to try to remove them.

[@FantasyZoneGaming]

I used all my savings i paid $600 for a custom ebay desktop computer and $600 for the entire like 13 program mastersuite in college. It was hard to spend all that money, but i still have that conputer and i sometimes use it for work. Usually not, i can just use free apps and the free ones i find you can download on any conputer. You don't need to get a black market copy of adobe products to do the work. I just need a bezier curve program to cut out signs. My old desktop computer from 2013 was the last desktop i bought and the last one adobe made it able for yoy to buy the product. It still works fine. I saved thousands of dollars. They make millions off of everyone. Ive made art screwing around on many programs. Adobe is harder to use than most other apps. And is extremely expensive.

[@Real_MisterSir]

It's still crazy to think these companies can just change their license agreements AFTER you have paid for a license subscription. "You signed under these terms, but now fuck you the terms are changing give us your first born or say goodbye to the tools your livelihood depend on".

[@boristheamerican2938]

Trump did that. Hooray!

[@keithwilliams88]

Any clause that says they can change parameters of the arrangement at any time they please should be illegal. A contract should be able to hold both parties accountable for their end of a deal.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

This boggles my mind, because any sort of law or contract cannot apply retroactively neither to people, nor to items (including digital content).

[@MrPsykopeta]

in some countries (other than mostly Africa and America located ones) you can't, cause like you said, you agreed under certain terms, so they can't change them (unless they offer you something to compensate, obv, then you have to agree again to get that "compensation")

[@davidlloyd1526]

It's only crazy if you don't read what you sign. Part of it is "we can change this at any time"

[@unsupportiveperson7724]

I hated Adobe in 2017. Way to go guys

[@servusvero]

adobe hate since 2008

[@servusvero]

@@MachineCog-i2l i went full pirate mode

[@Unsyncable223]

@@servusvero Yeah i still got CS6 with me, i think that was the last good software without a subscription hell.

[@Bayofthe91st]

i am still "use" their photoshop CC 2017 :)

[@servusvero]

@@Unsyncable223 yup

[@PyroMancer2k]

Adobe, "We have altered the deal. Pray we don't alter it further."

[@IR240474]

Adobe, "We have altered the deal. Pay, so we don't alter it further."

[@davidhong1934]

*Adobe:* We have altered the deal. Pay, and we'll still alter it further.

[@IR240474]

@@davidhong1934 Hahaha... Brilliant....

[@IR240474]

With out Pyro, we could not have had this fun.. Nice one!

[@AshnSilvercorp]

Adobe has a monopoly based on scope, bundling, and rediculous patents. Art colleges are also the biggest reason we've reached this point. People "needed" it to function, so the easiest thing to do was raise the price.

[@The_Mantis]

rain world rain world

[@tradingempires]

Adobe absolutely sucks as a company. 💯

[@Blisterdude123]

Adobe is window into the future of corporations with a total monopoly. They can do what they want, there's no alternatives or competition to rein in their actions, and there's no market imperative for them to be fair to the consumer, because you either have Adobe or you have nothing. You as the customer have no rights, and you deserve no rights, and there's no way you'll get any rights if a corporations entirely conquers a market and establishes a monopoly. People should be looking at this and worrying about what happens if Sony 'wins' the console war. All gamers lose, when that happens.

[@npcknuckles5887]

Yes, but that's no reason to violate their rights by going to big daddy government for help to impose your preferences over how their company should be run.

[@hugomanningham8722]

@@npcknuckles5887 you are extraordinary naive to think they can regulate themselves. Please grow up blind ideology can only take you so far.

[@GhostLyricist]

The government: "Hey, why was I billed $250 for canceling my Adobe subscription?" Adobe Support: "Oh sir, that's all part of the terms and conditions you accepted. Look at line 483"

[@npcknuckles5887]

So read your contracts, jack

[@millirabbit4331]

This is more of a Lina Khan keeping businesses accountable situation.

[@tero2444]

I'm so glad to live in a developed nation where customers have basic rights.

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@tero2444You say that but here in Canada we get the short of end of many sticks.

[@npcknuckles5887]

@@tero2444 Imposing consumer protection onto companies is rights-violating. There is no right to violate rights. If you agree to a shitty contract, that's your own fault.

[@eviloracle]

outside of corporate work, theres no reason to buy any kind of adobe product. never has been

[@jimmythecrow]

huh? i use photoshop all the time outside of a corporate office.

[@agamersinsanity]

@@jimmythecrow Affinity Photo does the work just as good and it's a small yearly fee if you want to upgrade, but you can still stick to the old version.

[@eviloracle]

@@jimmythecrow no reason to buy it. ;)

[@iCortex1]

​@@jimmythecrowno one is saying you can't. He's saying there's no reason for you to, and he's correct.

[@truckywuckyuwu]

​@@jimmythecrow Arrrr matey, ye ain't tar v'ry big lantern flame is ye?

[@nataliepeterson6798]

A lot of the Adobe monopoly perpetuation comes from college training being in Adobe products, not the alternatives. Every year, thousands of new artists are being inducted into Adobe by the school systems making it harder to transition to the alternatives that ARE out there. The issue is the poor teacher needs standardization to be able to help students when they run into problems. These new artists can't afford the time/money to transition alternatives as they try to launch into the workspace. It's a terrible cycle. I abandoned Adobe years ago when it forced Bridge that made Cloud storage not-optional and was uploading business photos to personal cloud. It also took triple the time to do the post-processing I needed compared to Corel Photo-paint with Corel taking a fraction of the computer resources. As a watercolorist, Corel Painter and OpenCanvas have better effects for me. Gimp and DaVinci do a LOT of work for cheap/free.

[@OS-Advertising]

this is why guys when ever you buy something, put it on a virtual debit card, put a limit on it just to pay, and then freeze it, and unfreeze it when ever you want to make a new purchase

[@TheChzoronzon]

"Privacy" for example

[@simunator]

that's pretty radical! I'll get on it right away

[@Zircuitz]

Wish a service like this was available in my country :(

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@Zircuitz "CreditCardNorway" Thank me later ;)

[@OS-Advertising]

@@Zircuitz it isnt for me too i live in morocco but i have an LLC in US and i use that bank account :3

[@SirBanana1992]

"It's not like Adobe is gonna send people to your house." But if you're Wizard of the Coast you send the god damn Pinkerton mercenaries to someone's house.

[@Just_Pele]

I kept waiting for that. I had cases of that MTG set, looong before release, that they were upset about, and WOTC knew it. But the Pinkertons never tried to barge in and take them back, I live in Eastern TN. I wonder why? 🤔 (Yes, I am a FFL holder.)

[@BButcher-hg4nr]

​@Just_Pele as if you need an FFL to be armed lol

[@aj.j5833]

Louis Vuitton also sent private investigators to peoples homes as well.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

This made me stop buying MTG stuff. Except for Animated Army this year for LGS events with the preconstructed decks (setting the same deck from singles would cost three times more and they don't allow proxies during Events). I am a Pokemon TCG player now.

[@Dr.Dirtyred]

​@@Just_Pele was you making videos of it? I think that the only reason wizard did anything in the first place if dude would of waited like the same week the bigger names started cracking packs they wouldn't have cared I feel like

[@killaninjas]

One way you can avoid cancellation fees is to change your payment method to paypal and then cancel it through paypal. Of course you will get pestering emails from adobe about payment failure, but fuck them.

[@WindmillGS]

Been saying this for a few years now every time I see people encounter cancelation fees. We love pulling scummy moves against scummy companies.

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

This needs to be at the top

[@thnderleg]

Lol, I've done the same with just a normal debit card. I went to my bank account and disabled online charges. The company tried to get the fee, never got it and angrily agreed to let me cancel for free 😂

[@killaninjas]

​@@thnderleg yeah, thats another way go to about it. However, in usa many banks charge cancellation fees on your debit/credit card. My bank (chase) was charging me 25$ :/

[@aqmohra4]

Will this not affect your credit checks?

[@evulclown]

Valve just screwed players doing this too. Get consumer rights protection laws. Exactly as being done here get the CEOs as well as the company, or they commit crimes and retire with multi million payments laughing. Most of the times companies looking to be horrible factor in fines as part of their cost of doing business. 31:00 *Easily the best take you have ever or will ever have on your channel.* Over regulation is not a good thing however, but there aren't many markets I can think of worldwide that couldn't do with more regulation (or streamlining of clunky inefficient regulation). The assumption should always be there are bad actors who will aim to exploit, thus you need to protect for that. No arguments can be made in good faith that dispute this so you're spot on. Same especially goes for laws and governmental corruption etc.

[@Cordeliatheagent]

it's morally correct to pirate adobe products

[@syedabid9767]

So we are in a age where software have 2 types of users, 1 : Doesn't use it 2 : Hate it no in between....

[@KeyboardTarantula]

actually, 3: Developers. use the software to outcompete the software.

[@agamersinsanity]

I used Adobe and had an subscription years ago. I will never touch that subscription ever again I hate their shady business practices x)

[@coretinker]

4. Pirates it

[@jonathanstone4878]

@@coretinker And have no clue if it's infected, will likely break on updates and will have no support.... If you're a kid in a non-pro environment that may work, but for production houses and pros, it isn't smart.

[@birdmanoo0]

3. Don't use it and hate it.

[@dvalica86]

Subscription cancellation fee sounds like a something from South Park

[@sk8legendz]

*Rubbing Nipples*

[@Kwijibob]

Frontier tries that crap too. Reported them to the FTC and they changed their tune fast. Hopefully the gov't lawsuit against Adobe is successful and sets a precedent.

[@randomuser5443]

Thats pretty normal now

[@CiscoRo]

We live in south park now days.

[@tteqhu]

You can always select uncommited plan... People can't read

[@buskmann]

We already own a bunch of software, and if we donate to the devs, it will become a whole lot better aswell. Open Source

[@AnimeJournal]

The Medical Industry relies on Adobe for PDFs. If they are using data aggregiated this way and someone's medical files show up. That is a HIPPA Violation. The PHI was transmitted without the patient's express permission. Adobe is really playing with fire.

[@MazeFrame]

I really hope Adobe accidentally does a Warthunder, because then there will by spicy words being used against them.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

Google may be having a massive lawsuit with that when some mother got banned from service for sharing photos of her daughter with a medical doctor. It likely contained some rash photos in certain private areas but Google AI or some worker mistook it for That Kind Of Photos... Which begs a question why they had access to such content in the first place? Not that third party access to the sensitive medical data is a speedrun to prison within some EU countries.

[@davidhong1934]

​@@Cold_Hard_Truth If you feally felt like it, you could use PyPDF2 and write a Python script for document management

[@MrBertie7]

Errr, PDF is an open format. Don't need Adobe. Nothing really to do with Adobe these days. Making PDFs free is one of the only genuinely good things Adobe have ever done.

[@MrBertie7]

@@Cold_Hard_Truth Or if using a Mac, you could just natively do whatever you want with Apple PDF formats.

[@blissfulzane715]

When I was in high school, our IT department installed cracked versions of Photoshop in the computer lab & for us digital art students. I respect them a lot.

[@tteqhu]

So in your professional life you'll get used to PS, lol.

[@waveribs8116]

@@tteqhu same software lol, who cares

[@sunwooyang9949]

@@waveribs8116 he's saying, "they got em young!"

[@JustSomeGuy009]

​@@waveribs8116he's saying the use of these tiols in educational environments leads to people being reliant on them when they grow up and enter the real world. Common tactic and it's bad.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

They could have most likely got an educational license for free. Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, Google, etc provide this.

[@WarlordMegatron]

I signed up to Adobe monthly, lost my job, and tried to cancel my Adobe sub. They told me I was going to owe $290 cad. So I told them I didn't sign up for the yearly contract I signed up for monthly. They said no. Then I told them I don't even have a job so even if they charge me they don't be getting money. They said "as an act of good faith we'll cancel and not charge you." Yeah, I got off easy, but other may not. Adobe is bs. Now I switched to affinity. One purchase, get the product. Done.

[@obits3]

LOL, I guess they figured a “price adjustment” to zero dollars was better than adding a cancellation to their over statistics.

[@wandererg5117]

They tried to squeeze you but refrained when they realized this would be more trouble than gain, hiding behind the flowery facade of "as an act of good faith". Disgusting.

[@solarydays]

you mean you signed up for the yearly

[@icecell]

​@@solarydaysyes and no. Adobe markets a monthly payment option, but it has a fineprint that locks you in for a year with an exorbitant cancellation fee. In short, adobe lies and never really offers a monthly sub.

[@solarydays]

@@icecell I will look into it because last time I checked they did have monthly and yearly and the yearly one is indeed advertised by the monthly installments, designed specifically to trick people who don't pay much attention, but that's pretty much how any company does it

[@Techno-Universal]

There was also a period between around 2000 and 2014 when Adobe’s software was light years ahead of the competition and as a result Adobe had a monopoly over the creative media software industry.

[@Littlemilkjug533]

Crazy how digital games are just as expensive as physical games that require manufacturing, transportation, and a seller like GameStop.

[@TheLitRight]

Isn’t that because platforms all take a ~30% cut to sell online? That’s probably more than the manufacturing and transport costs you mentioned.

[@brandon-qc1ul]

6. Use alternative software that offers one time pay without subscription as a service constantly sucking out consumers wallet dry ( And steal their users data with the whole A.D taking their users data in secret and using it to train their Ai ). Edit : And make sure the user can cancel their subscription easily.

[@He_isI]

We were lied to. At first there was the promise of less expensive purchases by going digital. Digital games were $10 or so less than physical. Now, it’s the same price. We are being robbed.

[@Ofjkk]

​@@TheLitRight and retailers sell the disks for free?

[@oRnch199]

It's all a ruse to show investors a quarterly increase.

[@ravaszvorosroka]

Adobe will soon find out that a new generation of pirates were born since they've changed the ToS

[@spectrem1858]

Photoshop is the easiest to pirate. Ask ANY 3D artist, they'll Google drive you a copy.

[@hizubiki25]

Yeah but Adobe doesn’t care if people pirate so long people are using their products.

[@FireF1y644]

​​@@spectrem1858they all are equaully easy, check m0nkrus repacks, it's just 1-button install and any software is yours forever The only downside is that you can't use AI features

[@GGG_gaming]

or cheep single payment alternatives... krita for photoshop for example

[@anetepaulakrinicka7830]

Actually you can download actual Adobe and you if manadge to cut off internet conections, Adobe won't gonna butt you in to pay monthly subcription. They gonna believe you you don't have Adobe in you're PC. It worked on me. But I use 2020 versions. Not sure they patch it up bug at 2024 version.

[@RoxieParadox]

I pirate almost all creative software I use, 100% shamelessly. If I didnt I would have to pay a monthly subscription for Photoshop, Marvelous Designer, Autodesk Maya, Zbrush, and 3D Coat. It ends up being THOUSANDS of dollars a year!!! If I was making enough from what I use these programs for, it would be one thing. But, currently I am not. I grew up in the Napster era. I will continue to be a Napster kid as long as we are no longer able to purchase software out right like before. Period.

[@RoxieParadox]

Also, you dont use creative cloud, they cant fuck with your shit. I also do not use that shit, or any cloud on any of these creative softwares. Autodesk is also EXTREMELY preditory.

[@briannaalejo9226]

Where can I find the pirate version for photoshop, zbrush, maya, and marvelous designer? Asking for a friend ☺️

[@taxa1569]

​@@briannaalejo9226 screw that :P I'm asking for myself. Last pirated Adobe suite shat bricks on me a while back and I'm not certain I disabled updates properly. Anything to screw adobe sounds good to me

[@orangegalen]

@@briannaalejo9226 Not asking for a friend, purely for my own curiosity because I certainly do not have the skills to use any of those programs... 🤫

[@evolgenius1150]

I bet you price your work accordingly. I used to do this and didn’t see any value in my work. Then I got a 80k salary job using all the same tools and saw how much my work is selling for. Websites for 10k 20k that I was selling for $800 bucks bc I sold to my own wallet and frame of reference. My investment in tools were never factored in, or rather they were “0”. I thought I was being fair but in the end I was robbing myself. But I agree, Adobe and Microsoft have me switching to Linux currently. I will use Affinity Photo/Designer instead, if I can get it working on Linux. No option for replacing Adobe is the reason masses of us don’t switch to Linux and no developers want to invest to tap into such a small market as it currently exists . All the open source software sucks compared to commercial products forged in the fires of competition which is why everyone wants Adobe for Free and don’t use GIMP. Problem is Adobe products wouldn’t be what they are today if they were developed as open source.. they’d be GIMP.

[@ubilinknetworks]

They even do it in the telecommunications industry, for example the company Ubiquiti makes the products you buy from them such as routers and wireless access points and others Operate with an EULA (End User License Agreement) with which after a certain period of time they leave to operate by instructions from their software, and they warn you that you must buy a new model and thus maintain their sales

[@slattjames]

im a ui/ux designer, transitioning to figma and watching adobe xd die earlier this year was a beautiful thing to witness

[@Agent_125]

NEVER use subscription based services. If you pay for something, you should buy and earn it. Software isn't rent. Tell these greedy developers to take the boot.

[@asmosisyup2557]

So what do you do when those are the *only* products available? not use any of them and give up on whatever it was you were doing? It's not as easy as simply "not using" something when you have no alternatives.

[@leburger5160]

This is why I stopped using Adobe years ago. I use Affinity now. Its not as good as Adobe. but it doesn't try steal my work or force me to pay a bunch of money for arbitrary reasons... I spent years working with photoshop and illustrator. Over 90% of my portfolio was made using these applications. I won't support them, until they let me buy the product outright again. My entire friend group is the same. We're all character designers and animators. I, myself, am a concept artist. the company I work for even dropped Adobe and moved to a different competitor because they refused to allow Adobe to have access to confidential client projects... You're right in saying that the only reason Adobe can get away with this is because they essentially have a monopoly. That alone is reason enough to use a competitor. They have no reason to provide a service that favours the customer, when they know the customer effectively has nowhere else to go. Professionally, that is. But seriously, fuck Adobe. I'll rather tank my artistic endeavours with lesser applications over using their shit tier service model...

[@vadstart]

Consider Clip Studio Paint - it has a far superior Brush Engine compared to Photoshop and the devs are very active with new features specifically for artists and not just photographers. I switched to it (also for Concept Art) a couple of years ago and never looked back.

[@olencone4005]

Same here. When Adobe went full greed with subscriptions I just continued to use an old PowerMac for my personal Design projects, just so I could continue to use the older stand-alone versions of the Adobe apps I had bought. The PowerMac finally moved on to digital heaven a good 20 years after it should have, and I made the switch to a nice assortment of Adobe alternatives on PC. Can't wait till Adobe and my employer have that fun little discussion about HIPAA tho, which pretty much says Adobe can't do what they say they're gonna do.

[@clarehidalgo]

I bought Correl Painter and Correl Paintshop Pro for $35 when it was on Humble Bundle

[@Sinon_A5]

To be fair, things like netflix/hulu/disney+ and several other streaming like services should be one of the few things that require it a monthly subscription. Only because on the back end you require server traffic and bandwidth upkeep cost in order to operate and maintain to keep the service running. Im not too knowledgable on the software ownership side of things. However, im on board with if you purchase a flat out software from a company at a set cost, that should be mine. If then the software gets improved, charge me a small upgrade fee for better features (obviously openly show me the upgrades) that i can either decline or accept based on my individual need.

[@BlaineCraner]

I cancelled my adobe subscription after they started acting up. The "cancellation fee", which is quite alien for my slav ass, was like an insult on top of everything.

[@scarletsletter4466]

Krita can be used for most things if you’re an illustrator wanting free painting software. Also Krita team is very nice. If you want photo editor there’s so many options. For video, the TikTok maker has CapCut which now has a PC software. I’m not a fan of TikTok but that software is free & quite robust

[@thekeysman6760]

'Cancellation fee' in inverted commas implying so-called or supposedly, not quotation marks quoting someone. 🕊️💜

[@BlaineCraner]

@@thekeysman6760 Thanks for the advice, honestly, but I'm too depressed and drunk to retain it these days. Hope your day goes well.

[@Professor_Oscar_G]

Adobe: renting your own creativity at a premium to you

[@skybreaker0188]

Funny thing is this isn't just happening with Adobe. Other companies also use these exact same subscription tactics. They make up all kinds of excuses so that the customer feels at fault instead of the predatory nature of how the company has decided to get paid. And their leadership says that consumer's feel trapped because of lack of understanding when they sign up so that they feel morally justified. Yet the subscription is designed to encourage and entrap unsuspecting and naive customers or those who don't think to read all the paperwork. It's just bad business.

[@harlandirgewood7676]

Indi-game dev here. I used to use Adobe but left it for Krita and other 3rd party tools that work just fine for all my art and development needs. All free too

[@4X10S]

There was a joke back in the USSR days; 1 Ruble to enter, 2 Rubles to exit. Adobe got their ABC's.

[@prisonbread]

Damn, that's a deep cut. Props!

[@thekeysman6760]

ABCs*, no apostrophe saying ABC is.

[@FeroDega]

The Affinity suite and DaVinci resolve be praised.

[@themeanmachine84]

1. Prepare your own ToS for using the software. 2. Send it via email to the software manufacturer 5min before making the purchase of the software to you want to buy. 3. Include sentence - "by receiving payment for the software you agree to the provided ToS". 4. Use the software in a way described in your ToS. We'll see what happens. Also - "early termination fee" should be literally a criminal felony. We are very often treating "scams" as something "not that bad" cause there are so many of them that we got used to them. How many cases can you name where a company (someone in the high leadership position not company literally) or a person gets to jail for a scam? How is it possible that scam is not a felony? What's the difference between stealing something and scaming someone if the result is pretty much the same?

[@aaronkoning7255]

They would need to acknowledge the email in some way, even if it's an auto response that says something like "We have received and read your message. We will get back with you shortly." By reading the message, and by then not blocking your payment, then that would work. If you just send an email into the void, there is no court that will consider that legally binding for a second.

[@hexi9595]

Scam is a felony. Is legally called fraud.

[@themeanmachine84]

@@aaronkoning7255 "They would need to acknowledge the email in some way, even if it's an auto response that says something like" No, actually they wouldn't. Some providers assume that since you have not responded to the email or have not taken any action, it means you did see the email and did agree to the ToS, even if the message ifself went to the spam folder of your mailbox and got deleted after 30 days. This is actually quite common practice. It's stupid but it's used. Is it legal? Well, I'd say a good lawyer could make a case that yes, cause it's your responsibility to check and manage the email address, not the company who is contacting you. "If you just send an email into the void, there is no court that will consider that legally binding for a second." You'd be really surprised how this kind of stuff works, this is why a lot of scams work on the edge of being legal using different types of loopholes. As long as the email address is valid, it's not a "void". In many cases when ToS gets updated, you can often see an email saying that if you agree to the changes, no action is required from your side, it doesn't require you to mark in any way, shape or form if you got the mail or if you have read it. This is also how many auto-renewals work, they only send you an email informing that the subscription was or will be renewed and if you want to, you can cancel it but you don't need to confirm it additionally in any other way for it to be renewed. I'll even give you an example of this: This is part of ToS from Disney+: "Price Change - In the event of a price change, we will notify you thirty (30) days in advance of the change by sending an email to the email address you have registered for your account. If you do not wish to accept a price change, you may cancel your subscription in accordance with the instructions included in that email and below, and the cancellation will take effect at the end of the current billing period or free trial. If you do not cancel your subscription after the price change takes effect prior to the start of your new billing period, your subscription will be renewed at the price in effect at the time of the renewal, without any additional action by you, and you authorize us to charge your payment method for these amounts." The only difference would be that in my case it's not "renewal" but a "new sign-up". But to be honest, if you can use this kind of scheme in renewals, why not using it with first sign up? I will sign you up for a service, inform you that I've signed you up and let you know that if you don't want to use it, you can cancel it, but if you want to use it, no action is required. Does this sound stupid? Well, it depends if you can find any loopholes that would make it "ok" to do and a good lawyer that can defend the idea. In a world where you "buy" something and then the provider can take it away from you (by removing it from your account, revoking access, blocking the functionality etc.) at any time for any reason everything seems to be possible. Add to this that when it comes to technology, in many cases judges have no clue how things work. So I wouldn't trust the courts that much in such cases.

[@themeanmachine84]

@@hexi9595 so why are the crypto bros that were scaming people (even here on YT) not in jail? Why all the "get rich fast gurus" are not in jail? Why nobody was jailed for the NFT scam? If it's not enforced, it's not a felony.

[@AdamantineAxe]

You just add a small yes/ no check box agreement at the bottom of the email that is already checked 'yes' that must be manually changed to no if they disagree.

[@staceygruver1969]

As a graduate from Ringling School of Art and Design, we were solely trained on only Adobe software, but since they announced that they intend to claim any and all art or products creat3d using their software is technically their copyrighted materials, the schools are now transitioning to other software that do not try to claim they own anything crest3d using their software, as it’s the Artists time and knowledge that created the art and the software was just a tool no different than a camera or paint brush….

[@Trollhammer0210]

I'm an IT manager. SaaS is the fucking bane of my life. Over the past few years several companies have done every to move us over to SaaS named licenses with the reward of cheapers costs.. Then a few months later "Oh we are raising prices of the named licenses..." It's a goddamm nightmare.

[@bartbasil3704]

Even worse for MSPs, where the company sales members get hundreds of renewal licenses they're constantly having to deliver to end users. They're basically slaves to delivering those damned renewals.

[@baranco210]

I can see you are a manager, Adobe is not SaaS

[@MrBertie7]

@@baranco210 Adobe do some SaaS products though (not that I've used any of them).

[@MrBertie7]

@@bartbasil3704 you're doing it wrong - make your clients do it., That's my number 1 tip for all things MSP related - MAKE YOUR CLIENTS DO IT (unless it's difficult, in which case don't let them anywhere near it otherwise you'll end up having to fix it).

[@shapelessed]

4:40 - "$700 instead of $700...people's math abilities...are worse" - The year has 12 months. It's $840. Just saying...

[@FreakazoidRobots]

Affinity Photo is 95% as good as Photoshop and costs 70$ to own forever.

[@thenonexistinghero]

Closer to 50% if that.

[@Darkknight9035]

...Until one day they disregard this and say "it's now 70 dollars A MONTH" and are now forcing u to pay or else.... Don't trust any of these companies as they all just seem to get engulfed by unreasonable greed eventually

[@FreakazoidRobots]

@@thenonexistinghero OK, I'm curious. What functionality do you use constantly that Photoshop has, and Affinity Photo doesn't?

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@FreakazoidRobots Probably the theoretical/rocket physics. You know, where you have to have to combine 3 different things from 3 different menus to get something done. I remember watching Photoshop tutorials to do something simple, and it turns out to be more complicated that theoretical physics. I remember thinking "I would never ever figure that out on my own".

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@FreakazoidRobots I don't photoshop anything. But I have a sister who earns her money with it and have seen many people talk about not being able to do things in alternatives like infinity or it being much harder/taking much longer to do. Heck even here in the comments there are people saying it's not a viable alternatives.

[@kollinpoindexter8859]

I love how asmon was talking about how bad people's math is after doing a quick calculation assuming their were 10 payments a year on a monthly subscription.

[@LumenPsycho]

There is a simple solution to this. Pirate it & never allow Adobe software to communicate with Adobe Creative Cloud (the online component). Software works even when the Adobe Creative Cloud isn't installed (the preferred way).

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

I said and I will keep saying this: Subscription model is A SCAM. Always.

[@yoooyoyooo]

It's not. Don't subscribe if you think you are overpaying the service. Nobody is making you use Adobe products, or any other that have a subscription.

[@disalazarg]

Not really. Learn to do business, plz.

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

@@yoooyoyooo And nobody is forcing you to open your mouth without thinking for more than one second. Yet here we are.

[@justin1730]

I prefer to call it the drug dealer model.

[@MrBertie7]

@@justin1730 I pirate all my drugs.

[@RiggityWRECKED]

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

[@c0ldc0ne]

You never owned the software. You purchased a license to use it, which came with certain terms and conditions prohibiting you from reselling, sharing, modifying or distributing the software like you could if you owned it.

[@NerdyPengin]

It was probably 2011 when windows decided to digitally unsign all certifications on my laptop (no updates, no changes, just straight unsigning) with zero warning. I installed an open source operating system and never looked back. I dual booted windows for a little while, but realized that I never used it and got rid of the computer before windows messed with the grub booting system recently. In the quest to be free of paying for an OS (it's only matter of time before ms decides), I quickly realized that the sheer lack of cooperation between non-Linux and Linux is somewhat of a block, and I had to learn new programs all over again. Out of all my software programs (I like to code, draw, take videos, have to edit pdf, word, and excel files, and play games) - the total amount of money I have spent on open source remains at precisely 0.00 in all currencies.

[@jnova707]

They removed student discounts and from that point I said "F**kem I'll steal their program and use resolve on the side". I hope Adobe fails.

[@Vert-LIVE]

What are you talking about? I have been running on that discount for years while studying, and just right now there is a back to school discount for new students.. Adobe is doing bad stuff to the consumers, but don't make up stuff, you really do not have to do that, to pay a worse picture of them, they are doing that fine themselves.

[@anetepaulakrinicka7830]

​It depends what country you live. In Latvia Adobe removed student discount and ton of people had to pay huge price instead discounted price. So I avoid that crap, I went to buy Adobe copies that you don't have to pay subscritpions. In case Adobe tries to nag you to pay, you in programs settings can cut off ties with internet connection making Adobe believe you deleated Adobe and they not gonna butt you in to pay them again. Not sure they patch it up on 2024 version, but I use 2020 version and I still haven't paid single penny on Adobe.

[@jnova707]

@@Vert-LIVE You're either grandfathered in or lying

[@Vert-LIVE]

@@jnova707 What? The offer is literally on creative cloud for me, I am from Denmark. I would show my transaction history / plan, but I do not care that much to prove it to you.

[@Vert-LIVE]

@@jnova707 Not sure where my other reply went.. But I am not lying.. It's an option for new users too here in Denmark on Creative Cloud at the moment.

[@DimitriMoreira]

Let's not forget that Adobe made Photoshop, which was an attempt at taking a hit at Corel. The rest? Adobe doesn't make shit. Adobe just bought Macromedia in 2005/2006 and used 90% of their suite with a changed name. So yeah, of course they have no competitor since they became a suite overnight and, with it, it surpassed Corel. Put 20 years of leading the market and yeah it's a fraking monopoly.

[@MiseRaen]

They pretty much bought out their competition.

[@joshnizzle]

Yep. This is what happens when you vote republican. They do all they can to block to FTC from attacking businesses. It’s pathetic

[@ziggysstarman4211]

Nice to see Asmon growing up. He stopped defaulting to "vote with your wallet" and started to acknowledge that oftentimes there is no alternative and you do need some regulations.

[@Dead_Goat]

i mean adobe does have alternatives for all their software.

[@icecell]

​@@Dead_GoatThis. As an illustrator, I switched to CSP in 2017. I could argue it's even better than photoshop. They do have subscription now, but they still offer a perpetual license option.

[@leonardoplaza7677]

Only on abusive companies. If you go mad with regulations you end up screwing entire industries.

[@RXZenith]

I agree I am an artist and honestly paying for adobe is a lot… especially because I’m new and im learning I completely moved to clip studio paint and relearned another program so I don’t have to do that.. me paying 100 dollars for life time is much better in every way.

[@WorldWalker128]

I've hated them since they discontinued Flash.

[@agamersinsanity]

Flash was quite bad especially on the web with all the security holes it came with it.

[@anthonybf2]

Hackers also hate the discontinuation of Flash

[@Tien1million]

@@agamersinsanity Yeah, but it was great for drawing, animation, and interactive stuff.

[@_nebulousthoughts]

Flash became the base of after effects

[@quantum5661]

@@agamersinsanity then they get some coders and fucking fix it, these people are getting paid an ungodly amount of money.

[@ikiwheese]

Anything I need a subscription for i'm not using. Simple as that. It's fine for video games but for software it's absolutely ludicrous. Once you own it, you own it. If you want people to get the new one. Make a new one and make it better so people buy it. Asking for a sub on top of asking to pay for a new product is just fucking ridiculous.

[@tucoerquilenne6765]

Got rid of Adobe and got Affinity Suite, CSP, and Procreate. When Adobe forced me to sign a new TOS without being able to read through the whole thing back a couple months ago that was it and thankfully I was new to this scene. I feel bad for those who have millions of dollars worth of content and what have you and Adobe can just hold you hostage and force you to sign a TOS or not be able to log into your account.

[@ZukaTheAnimal]

Affinity is amazing. Lifetime purchase with updates.

[@amojojo4642]

Any ideas for a lightroom replacement?

[@MARKHENSTROM]

​@@amojojo4642How about a light hall? A hall is bigger than a room.

[@barrett2020]

affinity suite got it in 2016 it was changed stole my account cant even accuses my stuff no were is safe right now tell put laws in place so that cant happen

[@sanityshorror]

CSP also has the subscription issue. I personally use procreate and don't see myself ever changing programs again. $10 one time purchase for a program that's becoming an industry standard. I love procreate, it's amazing.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

I work with an advertising agency that has been pulling their hair out over the problems Adobe TOS causes, they do work covered by NDAs and restrictive licences that are incompatible with Adobe's terms. Essentially they don't have the rights to the work that Adobe wants them to give away in its TOS. Their legal team have essentially pulled the plug on using Adobe software with some of their clients accounts because they could get sued. It's a huge headache for them and as the TOS also covers Acrobat that is used to generate PDF documents it is causing issues for all kinds of companies that work on confidential documents.

[@prophecygg5826]

World Economic Forum in 2016 - "You will own nothing, and be happy". Soon, everything will be a service. You will have no ownership rights to anything. Not your home. Not your car. Not your clothes. Not your appliances.

[@olencone4005]

Specifically, the line was from a speech by Danish politician Ida Auken.

[@Just_some_guy_1]

@@olencone4005 Who cares which cockroach said the quiet part out loud?

[@bunyaminyilmaz3798]

Stop posting bullshit like, missquote and put it there where you it to be.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

I own my home. I own my car. Nothing on finance, no mortgage. Obviously I own my clothes and appliances. How exactly are the WEF going to take away my ownership of those things?

[@mikko3]

​@@bjrnhalfhand2258By going to the government and then the government takes your shit

[@tohur]

Just get Davinci Resolve and the Affinity suite.. no more adobe needed and IMO they work better anyway

[@agamersinsanity]

Affinity Designer still need some work, but I agree Affinity Suite is really good and it's worth the money.

[@Sylphritz]

Second this.

[@AlmiranteLobo]

Affinity Photo is very good.

[@qunas101]

Adobe absolutely has alternatives. The issue is that everyone has to use Adobe because everyone else wants Adobe file formats.

[@hirsutuscanis]

Yes! Damn i'd forgotten that part myself and haven't yet seen anyone else mention it.

[@digitalmc]

Apparently if you are currently on the cheapest plan you can upgrade to any more expensive plan and then cancel immediately and get a refund. Was still viable 2 months ago according to the reddit post on this subject. Thumbs up so people can see if it still works.

[@aidantriantafillou2501]

Every single major "art creation" software is doing this now. Imagine being a musician spending on these subscriptions, the licenses, and then the hours learning how to use them, hours writing and creating investing in promotion to finally get lucky, have one song become popular just to have Spotify take all of your money and then the some record company sue you because your melody is 3 notes too similar to a song made by another artist that the record company owns.

[@frostreaper1607]

it's enraging, I sculpt and draw, Zbrush got bought by Maxon and is now a subscription SaaS, Clip Studio is sorda half-baked sub based, they still have buyable versions but that's going to be temporary. I'd move to Blender but they haven't been updating the sculpt modus in ages, all their focus is going into nodes. As for drawing, at least Krista exist and is both on pc and android so it's a possible option. But man, the future is dire for creatives.

[@joshnizzle]

Not procreate on iPad. You pay 10 bucks and that’s it. You get the updates and all. I can almost do most of what I need with it thank goodness.

[@thekeysman6760]

'Art creation' software in inverted commas implying so-called or supposedly, not quotation marks quoting someone. 🕊️💜

[@aidantriantafillou2501]

@@thekeysman6760 🙂🙏🏼

[@TheDaniiboi]

For anyone fighting an adobe subscription cancellation fee, tell them that you’ve just started a new job and that the company pays for it so that you no longer need it. I done this a couple of months back when I fell into the trap of needing a PDF editor and I had signed up for a trial as I didn’t know edge literally has one baked into it.

[@thripnixe]

Whats more frustrating is how hard its to delete the fucking creative cloud out of your computer, its like a malware that never go away.

[@jeffersondaniel5883]

Yeah there A lot of consumer rights we need in this sector. -Clear credit card removal process -clear account deletion processes -clear subscription description. Most software are already good about this just not Adobe - and finally non commercial software just need to have subscription banned. Keep it for enterprise software only but there no reason John Doe running a shop or hobby needs to spend a life time of subscription to edit a PDF or do basic marketing features.

[@azenyr]

The more software turns into subscriptions, the more attractive free and opensource products become.