He Spent $1000 on This Game To Prove A Point..

[@paulofaquin]

"only a thousand dollars in a game" Damn, 20 years ago, people would NEVER imagine spending more than a few dozen dollars to "buy" a game, now you gotta buy the game, buy expansions, pay subscriptions, waste thousands on micro transactions and some people think it's natural to do that... It's amazing how companies manage to make absurd and abusive practices become "natural" to their consumers.

[@nattacka]

Yoda on rise of kingdoms spent over 2million on his castle

[@Souloux]

I take it you've never played a trading card game, 20 years ago people were spending cash on cards. Nothing has changed.

[@oakleyraverty1030]

​@@Soulouxat least with trading cards you have something tangible that you can always use and will likely go up in value if the game stops printing/(running servers) rather than be worthless

[@Cuttlef15h]

"Nothing has changed."🤡🤡🤡​ @Souloux

[@paulofaquin]

@@Souloux Yeah I didn't play card games, and I get it that 1k may seem like nothing if you have a lot of money, but "realistically", 1k can buy you a TV, a console and multiple games to play or a decent gaming PC, so spending it on a game is actually insane and "should" be a luxury, something like a rolex or a sports car IRL, but in some online games, it's not such a "luxury" to spend so much money, some games "expect" you to waste that kind of money for a couple stats upgrades, gems, gacha/loot boxes, runes or whatever, and makes you a "pleb" if you don't spend that kind of money for in-game "upgrades".

[@imPansy]

This isn't Pay2win. It's just... Pay

[@mao2587]

Pay to lose

[@kirkchurchil8216]

It’s not about winning it’s about having fun… burning your money.

[@Spankyy811]

Yes only 3.90% lmao. Better off trying your luck at casino.

[@JayBigDadyCy]

And what's even worse is even if you get the desired item, they will come out with something better eventually and your $1000+ item will be worthless.

[@AC-rx6fr]

In other words - a scam

[@TH-dg2mm]

"Yeah but he didn't have to pay $1,000.00. He could have just grinded 13 hours a day for 7 years and got the item properly."

[@MrBaconFlavor]

13 hours and 7 years to get a single item is realistic in BDO. It's called grinding for the infinite potions.

[@pekonipilvi116]

inf pot grind is way easier now tho :D but i remember my 1000h grinding bloodwolfs with my sorc :D

[@fisher2430]

@@pekonipilvi116 what did they change? i remember grinding inf pots and i just got burnt out so i quit

[@pekonipilvi116]

@@fisher2430 i think they made it so u can get pity potions

[@thechadturion27]

they added weekly quests and pity pieces, you can also sell/buy them on the player market @@fisher2430

[@Yovela137]

The delay is a psychological trick to make you feel like you were so close. That way you'll be willing to spend that little bit more since you were so close.

[@PhoenixValkyrie]

You can turn off the delay

[@Gaswafers]

Yes. Everybody thinks the "trick" with gambling is humans being bad at probability, but the real trick is the expectation of skill and effort always mattering. Gambling is the only activity where those things truly don't make any difference, so they operate in a blindspot of human expectations.

[@himarisuzuki5208]

​@@PhoenixValkyrie sure but who is going to just know that a setting like that exists?

[@PhoenixValkyrie]

@himarisuzuki5208 it literally says so right on the screen under the button to enhance. How can you miss it.

[@himarisuzuki5208]

@@PhoenixValkyrie because I don't play glorified online casinos?

[@MannyBrum]

1970s: Pay to play 2000s: Pay to win 2020s: Pay to lose

[@user-ol1hc7sf8c]

next step just pay

[@Roman-id4pj]

More like pay2pay

[@Irken_Invader_Zim]

We are the in the darkest timeline, such a hellscape for gaming

[@jpteknoman]

and in many cases in the last 20 years its "pay to skip play"

[@amisfitpuivk]

I want to make a game that shows a toilet, and the inside of a septic tank. You pay to flush the money down the toilet, and no matter how much you pay, a turd goes into the septic tank. I’m gona be rich

[@GrimtornBooks]

A guy spent 40k on BDO in a few hours to enhance his gear years ago before Blackstar was a thing... He failed over and over and raged. After he failed everything the servers suffered cause he paid a DDOS service in china to try to take down BDO servers in NA

[@SoulxWeaver]

Enhancing in BDO is the most tedious and infuriating system I’ve ever interacted with

[@AverageJohanson]

Honestly that's badass

[@MercurialStatic]

@@AverageJohansonreckless and moronic expenditures followed by indolent rage. Very badass.

[@ninakore]

@@MercurialStatic it’s funny. Chill.

[@Selloca]

​​@@MercurialStaticmeh BDO's predatory ass anyways

[@ranndomundead9112]

my favorite about about these grindy endgame things is once you get em you quickly realize you were never supposed to get them because trying to get them is the only actual content. Its like climbing a mountain for the view and when you get up its dense fog with 6 inches of visibility.

[@SSGoatanks]

At least he got to keep his weapon, in games like Vindictus it would have broken and disappeared. These F2P games are just like casinos where the house always wins and most people leave with nothing in their pockets.

[@sheep-valley]

6 inches

[@kluafoz]

The best part is is that this is to only bump the stats from 122~133 attack points to 131~142 attack points with 12 accuracy...

[@mariamkjm7349]

only 9 attack... only 12 accu, like fr only...???!! you probably mean 2 ap brackets, and more than half the accuracy that the moonlit lunar necklace gives you (without losing ap)? i am not even talking about monster ap dmg, thats litterly is best weapon for pve content... but i guess for people that gather potatoes it doesnt matter xD

[@ekkusu9493]

​@@mariamkjm7349what's the % dps increase? I'm really interested.

[@emissarygw2264]

I can tell you're deep into the game 😂better get out before it's too late, son

[@UriclubTK]

7% higher dps??? huge. would spend 1k again.

[@mariamkjm7349]

@@UriclubTK i dont get it, when a game is p2w everyone is calling it trash when u cant p2w people still are whining.... like what do u even want?! Go farm it and buy it from the action house, and if u think that 19 bs vs 20 bs is 7% dmg increase then i dont have anything to tell u, only like can u first try the game ? Idk why V bs would be the best weapon in the game for pve if the only diffrence between IV and V is 7%...

[@toondeath5450]

It sounds stupid but that tiny delay is an incredibly powerful gambling/addiction loop tool. If you're not paying attention and just in that spin spin spin mode, that tiny delay tricks the dumbest part of your brain into thinking you were closer to winning that time than the last one with no delay.

[@fashionforward4748]

Makes me wonder why no one uses the skip animation check box. I mean, its right there! Just click it!

[@tonnentonie2767]

The delay is different every time because the client is waiting for an answer from the server. But you are right, even a fixed delay makes it more addictive. It's the same with slot machines, where the wheels come to a stop with a delay

[@TotalAlchemy]

Source- made it the fuck up

[@tonnentonie2767]

@@TotalAlchemy Source, for example: Addiction by Design, written by Natasha Schull.

[@TotalAlchemy]

@@tonnentonie2767 you're not op.

[@MagnusvonYoshi]

Not even pay-to-win at this point. Just pay-to-lose-more-often.

[@marianelacampos3750]

3.90% success, definitely pay to lose.😂😂

[@impeacefulgamer]

It is p2w - Play to win!

[@EladaDiel]

Pay-to-pay

[@MacwinsTV]

Just a poor whale , a Good whale will spend easy 50k USD

[@blackhat4206]

​@impeacefulgamer Like the lottery in most states. Except you don't have a chance to actually win any money, and it doesn't contribute to public finances, just individual/corpo wallets.

[@b1llythak1ddttv27]

“The point is to suffer” Couldn’t have said it better myself

[@steffenhesslarsen]

This reminds me of the scene in the movie "Wargames" where the computer is slowly learning by playing "TicTacToe" and "Global Thermonuclear War" that the only winning move in those games is not to play at all. Right now I am thinking: "How about a nice game of chess?"

[@ManuelRiccobono]

He literally sold his clothes to do more spins. This game is a lottery addiction similator

[@republicansarepedos2]

I hoard clothes. It's 10 sets at this point and I'm happy about it. I don't see them as potential cron stones. Am I the weirdo?

[@mrsneedleton3254]

@@republicansarepedos2 Nah I keep them all for future seasonal characters

[@Hyvexx]

@@republicansarepedos2 I would say that's completely normal that you aren't selling your clothes to do what is basically more gambling. Like imagine if you did that in real life. That would be concrete proof that a person has a problem.

[@erossenpai2884]

Yeah 🤣🤣 and BDO stans will tell you there is nothing wrong with that 😂😂

[@ignacioariellopez8491]

@@erossenpai2884 It isnt, really. The whole clothes system is made for it, people buy them in the market to get cron stones, you change yours to get cron stones, every end game player does this. Reason being, cause they arent actually rare at all, they give them all the time and you can even buy them in the market for the game coin (Not the paid coin, the farmeable coin) I never spent a cent on BDO, and it got to a point where i just hoard so many clothes that, if it werent because im not into enhancing and rather buy it directly from market, i would need them to turn them into crons cause there was no more use for them (Or sell them on market for silver, which, i did, multiple times). All my characters had clothes and copies of such clothes, they were just a waste of inventory or chest slots.

[@zacherymulvany6072]

Watching this actually hurts me, maybe it's just because I don't have a lot of disposable income, but I could never do anything like this. I can hardly spend $35 to buy a new game once in a while.

[@Mostbaleia]

Hurts me so much as well, meanwhile, I'm counting pennies to buy books and dream about owning a steam deck or a VR gear. Guy just casually *wastes* on a number on the screen, and got nothing in return.

[@ha-itsme]

bruhh $1000 is around 3 months of my salary. no way im playing bdo.

[@fromryuk7785]

​@@ha-itsmeliterally in the opening thing he said he could have just bought the pen black tri star weapon but decided to upgrade the tet. You can get all of it without spending a dime of real money lol.

[@l.christoffersen7502]

Maybe you should stop spending all your money on donations

[@ha-itsme]

@@l.christoffersen7502 what donations?

[@Soloong_Gaybowzer]

Gambling at a crooked casino in Las Vegas has higher odds than whatever this BS is.

[@kylespevak6781]

Especially when you consider the game can have an algorithm designed to never let you win

[@109968shadowboy]

Before I quit BDO. My fist pen item not even the black star was 68 times and each time it felt awful that when I got the pen item I felt numb and not even satisfied. That was then I realized that I no longer wanted to play because of how unobtainable max gear was to poor people.

[@ptttak7167]

and the truth is even ur lucky enough to get the max gear , then what? noting improved at the end of day

[@improvementchannel270]

The only way you get progression in bdo is by spending time running circles killing mobs for 10000 hours... or pickig up potatoes or what ever those lifeskillers do

[@fixo5132]

Yeah the combat is cool but once you understand that its only for pvp , I got turned off.

[@riotman3579]

Potatoes? Reminds me of collecting random shit in Skyrim.

[@christien6230]

And we have a fun time doing it

[@arionell]

@@christien6230 And people think its oh-so-different in their xyz game. Same grind different coat.

[@kyaak7747]

BDO is just 3d maplestory with pvp

[@pigslayer275]

Ah yes, the pinnacle of BDO content, throwing money at a number on a screen hoping the number goes up. Love it.

[@shadowtsc3349]

Best end game there is 😂

[@emti29]

Ngl, dopamine hits hard if you have a success upgrade kekw

[@pigslayer275]

@@emti29 Nah you don't have to tell me the cope I play the game I know

[@emti29]

@@pigslayer275 i didnt say cope though. i said dopamine

[@ShibaMcDripNu]

Well peeps are working to earn numbers on the screen too.

[@nietaki]

Fun fact: 10 spins at 3.9% success chance each gives you an overall ~32.8% chance in winning in any of the spins. With 20 spins (2k USD?) it would be up to 54.9%. You'd need to get to 58 spins to get over 90% chance of getting the item, 76 to get over 95% :D The more you know! Probability theory is fun!

[@MultiLimpet]

If the random generator is fair.

[@zekrom6537]

whats funny that even after 200 tries with 99.99% chance you can lose stil haha thats whats the funny part 😂😂 sure its rare for this to happen as most people would get it after like 75-100 tries on average but imagine being that 1 unlucky person and you now homeless (well actually someone who does this deserve to lose everything he hsa for being this dumb to gamble)

[@andrewearth469]

I might have been watching a different video, but that number never changed from 3.9% EVERY roll..

[@mrmoonlight1001]

@@andrewearth469 Yeah they're not talking about individual probability. Put it this way. If the guy had a million spins at 3.9% chance do you think he would succeed at least once? The answer is obviously yes, the chance that he succeeds at least once is greater than 99.99%. That is what OP is calculating.

[@andrewearth469]

@mrmoonlight1001 Yep...??? It does not change the fact that it is 3.9% chance every spin. 3.9/100% every time is the very opposite of "obviously Yes" too... No matter the amount. But by all means, the casino will welcome you and your obvious calculations with open arms.

[@PaperDollWitch]

Ijust started watching but i heard bdo and money and after a few years of playing the game i realized how much money i was spending vs how much fun i was having and realized it wasn't worth it anymore. I was more of a lifeskiller an even lvling that gear was a pain. Not to mention at the time there was some gear that if it broke lvling you'd just lose it. The game has the “fix it with money“ thing. There was also your character would get to heavy if you had to much on hand (at one point silver [in game money]) also counted). There was limited backpack space. Horses also had something similar with lvling. I remember at the time also someone took 3to4 months to get from 64 to 65 Oh pets had the issue where if you wanted to lvl a pet up you would need one of the same teir and there were about 4 teirs i think. And to change what the pet did also had to spend money. The nicest furniture had sets for $100 and that was for part of the set i think. The main things i miss is how open the world is the grapics, character outfit/body customization, and surprisingly sailing also my friends that i kind of slowly stopped chatting with often.

[@daniamataka5377]

Call me stupid, but I snapped myself out of playing Destiny 2, after two weeks of nickle and diming purchases, by maxing out the battle pass. It took away my reason to play the game and made me realize how much money I just spent on a video game that I'm not enjoying. Haven't paid for any new video games since then, and I will watch streamers play new games before I choose to buy them.

[@boomerboy8043]

Based

[@coldogno7]

i stop playing that game like 3 years ago

[@halostryke]

Had same loop as you but the game was world of warships

[@Hiiiro]

Yo. I quit Destiny 2 too more because the loop wasn't fun and didn't really enjoy the people on there. I got the Xbox Game Pass for PC and since it's got regional pricing, it's pretty worth it for me. Just a thought. Gaming is lower in my priority list now honestly.

[@DjLuCKyCHaRM]

Good Job man. Supporting a bad game only gives you a bad game...

[@Laggyness]

There needs to be laws against these micro transactions in video games. People clearly cant stop themselves.

[@Duncanate]

More spending = more tax dollars. Why would they stop them?

[@TheDarkbogiTV]

So you wanna tell people how they are supposed to spend their money? What are you, the CCP?

[@DerekRoddy8]

A clinical board needs to invest in the research and evidence of addiction to prove a necessity for legislative change. From my experience clinical is only invested primarily in cancer and mental health

[@superrunnerx1]

That's people's own fault

[@theinceptionx]

In the Netherlands lootboxes are not allowed afaik.

[@zuljjin]

The thousand dollars evaporated into thin air as soon as he bought the Acoins, we just sat around to watch him realize it.

[@gamefreak2016]

its honestly insane that we let game companies get away with this. Pay to win shit just shouldnt be allowed out right but to spend $1,000 and not get that one item just shouldnt be a thing. There should eventually be a 100% chance after so many fails whether youre P2W or F2P, fail 10 times and your chance goes right to 100% when its this expensive to try. It only punishes f2p

[@Strashky]

nah they can do what they want. just dont play if you dont like it

[@gamefreak2016]

@@Strashky and that’s the exact reason game companies continue to do what they do with pay to win mechanics, half ass games at launch. There will never be enough people to agree to never play games that do bullshit things. Even Halo Infinite didnt fail and it took over a year to finally add the stuff they promised would be in at launch.

[@Strashky]

@@gamefreak2016 i know, i aint playing that crap. but there are still too many stupid people on this planet that love to be used as money cows by big companies and i dont blame the companies for it.

[@SomeDude420]

@@Strashky sociopath take

[@Strashky]

@@SomeDude420 fr, if its that easy to use people as money cows we are fucked anyway

[@exotixzamateurva8957]

I spoke with a person who'd spent $14k on the game. It was really surreal to see someone willing to waste so much disposable income on something like that.

[@DarkThomas3000]

it's the same as with gamble

[@azensura]

To be fair, that's exactly what disposable income is. Income that you can throw away for whatever you want. It's the same as spending $600 for a meal at a Michelin star restaurant, or taking a $10,000 vacation. People can spend their disposable income on whatever brings them happiness - nothing surreal or wrong about that.

[@soup5220]

​@@azensuraYup, gotta have perspective. There's people who can spend $14k and not even notice it missing from their account.

[@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627]

You think thats bad, old mobile game i used to play, 1 dude on the server spent over 250k on the game.

[@FreekyPower]

i spent 7k on league over the years and it didnt even make me win in fact i never even played ranked

[@CUCABURRAAustralia]

Love this video. Nothing better than this “pay to lose” illustration.

[@Joedirt32]

@datguy2061 You aren't understanding, obviously this game is P2W, but the system is pay to lose, you literally can spend money and go backwards.

[@asdesdvfq222c]

@datguy2061 that's true, but in 2023, if you wanna pay2win there are surely better choices than BDO where open world pvp is on the decline and everything else has stat-limits now...

[@emti29]

​@datguy2061nope. A grinder will succeed more than casuals. Not payer. Again, pay to lose.

[@bigbrain8839]

​@datguy2061no no no we don't do that here

[@Hosenbund1]

@datguy2061 u could argue like that, but do u know the value of the stuff he bought? a hardcore grinder gets the same amount of clicks in like 2 or 3 days of grinding full time p2w is worthless in this game for anyone but whales who have no problem spending 100k dollar on a game.

[@ryanclark9386]

This is actually sad that video games have turned into this and there is nothing we can do about it bc their will always be ppl who are willing to pay 😞

[@IIAc3sII]

politicians can stop it easily, if they would stop prostituting themselves to the highest bidder and actually do good for the people they are supposed to represent.

[@Baleur]

5:00 the worst part about this is that this dude doesnt understand price fluctuations or stocks. Look at the graph. He's buying during a peak... If he waited 20 days it might go down to the lower price it was 30 days ago. Literally burning real money, in TWO different ways.

[@matosz23]

I will never understand this sh1t. 1000 dollars. So many games can be bought. My complete Wishlist, waiting for sales, can be cleared. 1000 for this bs is just nuts.

[@PhoenixValkyrie]

1000 would get me out of debt. Not even joking. I'd be in the black for the first time in three years.

[@ohiograssman1564]

I wonder if these streamers can claim this as an expense for their business sometimes.

[@xxboxofmuffinsxx4252]

If Asmon thinks its convenient that there's a $200 package for whales, wait until he sees that Eve Online has a $650 package

[@Rectosama]

Which will suffice for multiple years of Omega

[@xxboxofmuffinsxx4252]

@@Rectosama yeah its a bit of a joke, obviously pay2win doesnt really get you anywhere in eve, youd just be donating to the community at that point 🤣

[@king-4152]

Fun fact, remember that devs and whoever created the game has these items for free and they can have them whenever they want, but the playerbase has to spend such shameful amount of money or luck to at least get one

[@randomness4989]

You mean they can create them out of thin air,zero cost,legit line of code with a press of a button lol

[@emissarygw2264]

amazing right? literal money printing machine, except they don't need to spend money on the paper and ink

[@ninja666gaming]

in the 14 attempts he did there was approximately a 57% chance of not getting the enhanced item

[@christianboi7690]

Just spent a while verifying this because I felt sketchy about this comment. I came out to 57.3% I have been humbled, oh wise one. I apologize for my impudence.

[@kanon1118]

everyone who played the orignal Ragnarok Online back in the early 2000's knows the struggle to even get a +10 anything,

[@grimmow187]

oh yeah and when you include the card farming with 0.03% chance. (for people who don't know, cards in this game are like gems you socket in your weapons/armor to make them very powerful) imagine theres 1 of each boss in the game and thousands of people are contesting them and the bis loot is not even 0.1 but 0.01 chance to get. yeah when you thought you played grindy games kids, you haven't seen shit. but yeah upgrading in ragnarok was a bit sick and twisted when not only can your gear downgrade but it could also get destroyed during a fail attempt and there was no safeguards. if you played ragnarok, then theres a good chance you also played cabal online, now thats another bag of worms of a game.

[@NoochNM]

​@@grimmow187played that game for a decade and got 1 mvp card drop in all that time.

[@grimmow187]

@@NoochNM i played for a decade as well and i think i had 3 but they were pretty common ones. like phreeoni, maya and osiris card.

[@activegrass9435]

@@grimmow187 kinda missed cabal tbh. was 12 and broke (i still am) so getting shit to +10 felt like i just won a lottery

[@grimmow187]

@@activegrass9435 haha i still played cabal back in 2022, the game is still up on both eu and na but way more people on eu. i think i hit lvl 225 before i left

[@Robot256k]

Thats why people that don't spend money on the game tell you to buy your upgrades. You don't get that rush of finally getting it, but you literally never have to suffer like this regardless if you spent 30hours grinding or swiping. It's difficult for people not to throw their silver away though and take a punt at getting lucky. Ive been there myself in this game. I struggle to save up even like 20 billion without spunking up the wall. But I've had time where I've tapped stuff on a 5% chance in 1-5 tries and I've had times like recently where I cant get a TET accessory on a 30% chance after 6 attempt. Or even failing 5 x 50% chsnces in a row. I never gamble IRL, but somehow it just doesn't really feel real doing it with currency obtained in game so I dont care. It is disheartening though and im currently on an extended break from the game because ive failed a certain TET accesory multiple times.

[@JaeJae95]

U should probably just not come back at all if failing a couple tets caused you to take a break. It'll only get worse

[@Robot256k]

@@JaeJae95 it was 6 TET distortion fails in a row. Who are you to decide whena person takes a break because the enhancement system sucks 🤣. I mean it only really gets worse if you continue tap away instead of buying your upgrades.

[@mariamkjm7349]

@@Robot256k i spend 300 bil to get 1 pen disto... i mean tbh the system is "okay" its just more like, u know what u are doing if u gonna try to enhance it yourself u can lose and thats what u need to be okay with, otherwise just buy everything, like i got everything myself while my friend just bought everything so its more like which patch u gonna take, suffer for fun or buy to not suffer XD

[@steffe689]

5:35 i bet the devs would like to see that too

[@Gamer-vx1yf]

At 3.9% chance per roll, rolling 18 times is the minimum if you want at least 50% chance of actually succeeding once. You must roll 41 times for a chance of success greater than 80%, 116 times for a chance of 99.01%, and finally, 222 times for a chance of 99.99%.

[@defiongravition8097]

You dont need to spend alot of money on games like this, all you need is them to sponser the video... youll get wat you want in no time and at no cost.

[@MrAnt-hh3bp]

Watching him click that TET to PEN with a naked 150fs was physically painful to watch, not gonna lie.

[@billyr539]

Truee I'm using 160 to get to tet and still thought that' was low 😭

[@Mostbaleia]

This video manages to hurt people who play and doesn't play BDO at the same time. Stonks content.

[@e.ydrien]

yep, I can build 200+ just by hitting tri to tet 💀

[@nemesisproxy4865]

His fail stack was too low no wonder he didnt get the V

[@brandorf]

i built a 282 stack from 140 just trying to get from TRI->TET Blackstar lmao. Failed like 50 times in a row. Used a new stack, popped at 120fs. Crazy stuff

[@TakiGamesOfficial]

Yikes. Reminds me of Vindictus. In that game enhancing your weapon and failing had a possibility of destroying the weapon completely, and these weapons would take weeks or months of raid drops to craft. In a way typical character gachas these days like the Genshin Honkai series and Nikke are much more forgiving with your money.

[@satuerdandashnaw3700]

That "Delay" is the animation trigger calculating an RNG counter. Forcing the server to read the item, it will ALWAYS fail during that process. ArcheAge has literally the same exact script.

[@zandafolf]

God this video made me hurt on the inside. I tried to swipe once in BDO. A hundred dollars just gone like that. I felt horrible after. Like what the fuck was I doing? What was I thinking? I stepped away from the game and barely even log on anymore. That was years ago.

[@pixelpuppy]

that life lesson only cost you 100 bucks. pretty good value. Hope it stuck.

[@Kramway99]

Better that than to lose 100 hours of your life and then realised its a bad game. You’re not gonna get that time back

[@TheDarkbogiTV]

A game is only bad to you if you do not enjoy it's activities, when you don't enjoy it's activities you won't play the game in the first place.@@Kramway99

[@zandafolf]

@@Kramway99 well I have 5800 hours in the game. A lot of those are probably AFK, but still a lot of time. I don't regret that time. I have a lot of good memories from the game. But the gear upgrade system really late into the game is so fucking garbage and toxic. I quit over it.

[@TyrantsRuin]

Not even a happy ending. There goes rent 😂

[@Baleur]

20:45 the point is, its 1k dollars in the toilet EVEN IF HE WINS lol... It's just a single level upgrade for +9AP. Its not a brand new unique item. LOL

[@jinglesbejankin7322]

So glad my experience on Black Desert was joining a season, being power-leveled by a friend, realizing I wasn't having fun, and then never playing again.

[@AngelicBunny]

i love how 1000 dollars usd is now calculated as 1 xqc spin

[@Galexish]

For this guy to have a 99% chance to succeed, he'd need to roll 116 times. How dumb do you have to be to fall for something like this?

[@stupididiot9336]

I don't think most people "fall for" it, they all know the odds are stacked against them to the utmost degree, but they just.. do it anyway

[@bradjenkins2861]

Because people believe they are special ESPECIALLY if they are young and live in the west.

[@KeJaTrDi]

@@bradjenkins2861well since china is very open about chances and still has the most young people that waste their money on gambling I‘d say it’s not about where you live but about experience and trust

[@Nertaku_zockt]

Wrong. He always has 3,9%. Even after 1000 tries.

[@blueyneuy]

@@Nertaku_zockt he's referring to the cumulative probability.

[@blackbelt3438]

Well his $1000 lost will be your $1000 gained. Asmon such genius.

[@Jimmyisabot]

hardcap bdo player here, I spent about $10 in the last 18 months getting over 2 trillion silver of gear... if someone did want to "P2W" with this level of inefficiency he'd have to spend like a quarter million USD, some rng with deboreka rings but still a wild game state, what's wild is it has been MUCH WORSE in the past

[@daniamataka5377]

9:59 that is a great quote for the ages!

[@yeastori]

I played this game just to explore and enjoy the world activities, once thats over and the game start forcing you towards high end combat and ENHANCING I dipped out

[@emti29]

You dont need to enhance. You can just buy it. Grind the silver for it.

[@soccersoma]

Not true anymore. Now you can start seasonal-get the gear you need in less than a day and be able to do MOST END GAME PVP. Most of bdo content now is capped content with low end gear reqs there are only a few spots that arent capped and they give the same rewards. Honestly it's a great game now, Kanon was just proving the point in this video that Asmongold missed that the game isnt really p2w anymore. It just gives you a small chance to speed up the process with gear that you really dont need anymore.

[@spookyclaws5350]

@@emti29 Lots of people say that, but for some items you need to wait for months before you can get them.

[@emti29]

@@spookyclaws5350 bdo is not a sprint, it's a marathon.

[@ACSMEX]

Dont enhance. Buy it with silver. Been playing for 2 years, not a dime spent.

[@ImOlegnaOrg]

To be fair, that guy had only sent like 15 messages before he was banned, and the worst thing he said was "idiot."🤣🤣

[@Jarikraider]

Any game that has a chance to fail, downgrade, or break while upgrading is an immediate, huge red flag to me. Cornerstone definition of anti-fun and always creates a gear imbalance based on players credit card swipes.

[@leonemfrag3826]

The game is still amazing and fun if you enjoy it as a whole, going at your own pace, seeing where you can get and don't care about the meta end-game. A friend gifted me the game and In 3 years, 5000h+, I only spent 100$, got my tent and other permanent familial stuff that I can't ever lose. You don't have to pay to have fun, the game is huge. And , as you can see, the game costs so much to actually p2w that its basically not worth spending that much money on it. So just don't. That's it. Videos like this are entertaining for sure but don't make the game less worthwhile if you want to lose yourself in a big epic adventure. Just seeing Vell for the first time was worth a thousand bucks. I'm a gamer. I game to game., not to min-max everything.

[@fullmetalalkami6466]

You played this game for 5000+ hours? Mate, that is not something you should be sharing.

[@fuckzogtube]

I like watching things like this so I know which games I will never play and the companies to never support.

[@charlespanache7047]

Yup, I add them to my list of companies i avoid like a plague. A game can only focus on so many things. When such a high demand for p2w is placed on a game; it subtracts from other elements that could have used it. If they focused more time on making a good game they could sell copies and make money that way. Instead they use this pathetic p2w model.

[@texasranger7687]

I did the math. With those odds, you need 18 try to have 50% chance of succese ; 41 try to have 80% chance of success. And 116 tries for 99% of odds. Gosh, those are hard odds.

[@Skilliard]

21:20 "It's easy to get into trouble in Altinova" as he blows up all his costume collection lol

[@ermutanda3802]

THANK YOU ASMON 15 HOURS IS A LOT. I've been trying to tell this to my neet guildmates but "eh it's only 50 hours for an upgrade that's not a lot" . It is.

[@yowfu]

Probably your guild mates lost their all brain juice after farming map piece over 1k hour and still not getting it.

[@emti29]

It's not though for hard grinders. For casuals, yes.

[@rh7474]

​@@emti29He didn't say hard. He said a lot. Which it is even for a grinder. That's 15 hours of your life you could've spent doing something else.

[@emti29]

@@rh7474 again, for a grinder it's not a lot. For casuals, like you described, yes it is a lot.

[@KingJerbear]

@@rh7474 Yeah but lots of people bash their head against the wall playing PvP or Battle Royale type games for 40+ hours a week, and they aren't gaining ANY progress doing that. The idea of BDO is that the combat is fun to play, so you enjoy killing mobs and just happen to make money at the same time. Similar to an ARPG

[@classic8529]

After the youtube add-blocker thing i got advertisment in this video and i found it hilarious that i get advertisement for natural soap on an asmongold video. Next LVL!

[@johnnybadmen3473]

You said, no one wins. I think differently. Somebody won. Someone just pocketed 1-3k while sitting back sipping champagne.

[@FreekyPower]

We shouldnt forget that he just could have selled the outfits and would have had a 100% chance to get the item hahahahha

[@AHersheyHere]

For comparison the odds of getting a direct hit in Roulette is 2.7%, 1 in 37.

[@Shteven]

No, it's 50-50, you either win or you don't

[@Integroabysal]

That's actually the most stupid way to upgrade your gear by using crones, it was 2019 or so , I was in a guild that had a whale that spends 100+k euros on the game and he actually came to conclusion that dinging with crones is 3 times less profitable than dinging with silver. And also BTW 1 costume costs 20$ and it translates to 1.6 billion silver , a good geared character can farm 1 billion silver per hour easy mode , you see where I'm going right ? :D I mean 1000$ its like 4-5 days of farming , its nothing for BDO , people farm for months hundreds of billion of silver spent and they still can't get a pen what would you expect of some tiny 1000$ transaction.

[@rannnoch]

>tiny 1000$ transaction so sad that this is all true. greedy bastards.

[@the_Acaman]

so it's even more stupid to spend in this game lmao

[@ffxiisucks]

All it takes is a little bit of knowledge of the game to know you need a trillion silver to be close to top players.

[@SheinelI]

That just show that spending to upgrade gear in BDO is pointless @@rannnoch

[@thebabyrhino]

@@rannnoch yup, the company is just unbelievably greedy. They recently claimed that there was a "bug" with functional pearl items in the central market and removed all of them "temporarily", which was around 45 days ago. So no more buying premium time(value pack, kama buff, old moon buff) for F2P players, and no more horse flute.

[@justinpearson9170]

I love how he pauses to see the fail first before saying "...in the fkn garbage" 🤣🤣 The wait for the confirmation is diabolical!

[@lusafur950]

The fact you can go to a actual casino and have better chances at actually winning money back not just some digital item that they can make worthless at anytime they want

[@santo2sexy]

$1k is so wild, but its still rookie numbers compared to the average heavy gacha whaler.

[@SheinelI]

I still don't understand where they get the money from

[@StarRavage]

I thought gacha whales were bad until met Kingdom building whales. That's a whole different entity... lord have mercy

[@SnackJar]

​@@SheinelIrich family's or just massive streamers. That or really damn good job

[@SheinelI]

need to find myself a darm good job lol @@SnackJar

[@emissarygw2264]

@@SnackJar Kinda stupid, but being a massive whale is sort of self-sustaining (i.e. people tune in/donate to their stream because they are whaling). But I also know some people who semi-whale and their attitude toward it is similar to people who buy designer handbags etc...

[@ZedVonCarstein]

The delay is psychological, it makes you think that you almost got it. We may not like it but it works.

[@ninjardx]

the amount of time it takes to earn $1000 on a normal paying job just for it to go all down the drain like that is sad 😭

[@dangerousthoughts.1591]

The amount of times Asmon just randomly pops up in videos not related to him is insane😂

[@CB-lw7ty]

I love that soo much of youtube and streaming now has become people donating to streamers and youtubers so they can then piss that money down the drain in game gambling mechanics for "content" lol

[@Kratos-eg7ez]

Why do you care? Ain't like your donating in the first place with the way you phrased people, n if you donate any money to anyone besides in a charity event that moneys not yours anymore n they can do whatever tf they want with it, even light it on fire if they want to. N not every streamer is buying stupid shit in a game, it's just the streamers you watch, and you watch them because you wanna get mad about how much they're spending.

[@CB-lw7ty]

@@Kratos-eg7ez Nice assessment...if only it were true lol I watch literally 0 streamers who spend money in game on gambling mechanics, even Asmon I watch generally for react streams more than gaming lol But unfortunately for you I don't get mad about how much they're spending I laugh at the dumbasses who give their money to these types of streamers and youtubers just for them to do this kind of thing, shows how stupid people are in todays world and its great entertainment hence why I said I love it in my initial comment lol 🤣

[@issolol]

@@CB-lw7ty based

[@Mike_W78]

They really should add a small amount of increase each failure. Like .05% increase or something so eventually you could get it. It would also make people feel like they get something and then spend more.

[@averagepizzaenjoyer5681]

these thoughts belong in a crusty ceo meeting...

[@Logan-wm4ms]

the chance does increase with failure but he was using "cron stones" which was what prevented the gear from downgrading every time he lost which disables the ability for the chance to increase. Basically you either downgrade the gear but increase chance of winning next time or keep trying over and over at the same chance with cron stones like he did

[@kokobedima]

Dont give them ideas

[@KingJerbear]

As someone else said, the chance does increase upon failure typically, but the gear will also downgrade a rank. He was using the little blue orbs (cron stones) that add an additional cost onto each click, but prevent it from downgrading or increasing the enhancement chance with each attempt. Typically the "meta" is to intentionally fail using other gear pieces to build your enhancement chance up really high before you use Cron Stones with the actual attempt. He's using a +185 stack (3.9%), but most people will use around a +240, which is just under 6% odds of success. So not only is he not really properly "prepared," he's missing out on 50% increased odds when he decided to spend $1000. On average it should take 26 attempts for him to succeed, so most people just buy gear pre-enhanced.

[@ItsUrMom306]

It does, he was using crons, when you use crons you don't downgrade but you don't increase your chance. The whole method of enhancing in BDO efficiently is to have multiple "failstacks" (the number that indicates what the success chance is) rolling at once. So in this video for example, he had a 185. If he wanted to do it efficiently, he honestly wouldn't use crons for the BiS click, he'd use it after the downgrade. So every attempt at BiS would increase the 185 higher, so every click would get a better chance. Have a second stack + crons to get it back to the attempt. It's confusing when looking in from the outside but once you understand the mechanics it actually is pretty easy.

[@gwTheo]

I'd like to add they literally constantly have events where you can create a new character and be overwhelmed with pay to win items that you can then put that character on a regular server. Same exact thing with Maplestory. Not every, far from many, but a FEW, pay2win mmo's do have events to make you a free whale.

[@IceKoldKilla]

Can't he maybe get a sponsorship that grants him more money? Surely the devs would appreciate the people who would watch him gambling and entice them to join. That's what these clowns do on stream when casinos/companies pay them to promote their game. Why wouldn't they reach out?

[@ChadAF_YT]

If dude really spent 10k on raidy shady, I have lost faith in humanity

[@mao2587]

Boiii then you should see the whales on diablo inmortal then

[@emmigosa]

that's nothing compared to people in genshin and tower of fantasy, and other proper gacha games. easily 5 digits to 6 digits.

[@HeyCutie90]

I almost started playing this when it came out. Glad I didn’t, this is insane.

[@morfumax911]

Actually a fun game you can enjoy, this is all just extra imo. Some people play like this but not many. I got the same thing he is trying for first try and didn’t use cron stones. That’s very endgame play if your looking to do some high end pvp that’s about it

[@ronnyrdr6553]

The game is still good. Merely following the story outfits 1 of your character with Pen gear and Tet accessoires i believe. (now that they have the season thing going every 2 month). What you see here is the pinnacle of the endgame in terms of optimizing stats

[@darkphantom1502]

Getting money in this game is stupid easy so him spending this much money is completely unnecessary.

[@Furanku13]

You can get everything the game has to offer in due time by just playing, grinding, saving up. It's not a game you play and just gamba or just swipe away to get everything. The option is there to speed things up, but most of the mtx are pay for convenience. You have the choice to upgrade your gear yourself which is heavily RNG based, or just play and grind for the money in game to buy said gear to save you time and sanity. Certain grind spots yield 100s of millions/per hour. Do that an hour or two daily, save up, put up an offer for said gear. Of course doing things yourself from scratch gives you more sense of accomplishment and dopamine but this game has one of the worse RNG ever. You have the choice.

[@I_Am_Empyrean]

These kinds of games can still be fun if you completely ignore the PvP or any sort of competitive features(Basically playing it as a coop game).

[@directerjb]

I'm not mad at the devs for making it this way. I'm disappointed in the players who know it sucks, hate it with every fiber of their being, and then do it anyway with a smile on their face and meme about it on the Internet.

[@dnlsiri]

Funny how this game has a cooldown in place for when selling but not for when buying microtransactions. The game economy is more important than the real world one.

[@latinelover24]

1,000 dollery-doos???? christ......i could pay off my credit card with that....

[@chobitsotaku5613]

could pay 1/4 of my pc with that...

[@m1ke-honkai]

I could get an e6 jingliu with that

[@Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer]

Ain't Nobody got time for that!

[@tombed5782]

1000$ is more than minimum month salary after taxes in my country

[@chaosi1753]

After I explored kamasylvia and the ocean I was pretty much done with the game. Kama is super pretty atleast and I go back and explore sometimes😊

[@shawnfoogle920]

The 3.90% should add 3.90% every failed attempt.

[@diegolazcano2160]

Hahahahahahah. Prob the most fun ive had watching people spend money in a video game. Your commentary made it that much more hilarious

[@AMonkeh]

You should post a video of you doing it , to brighten his day.

[@ej879]

as a player of BDO this is the most fcking system i hate the most. and this is the reason I actually quit. even if I'm having fun with the game

[@lulyhead]

bdo boils down to time = money (the non pvp-aspects). grinding? you are wasting ur time, u could be working a job IRL and pay a filipino 2$ an hour to grind, then spend that excess money on crons LOL the pvp truly was peak to me but i couldnt play a game like that forever

[@arionell]

Then dont participate in it? You realize that the gambling is completely optional and there is the Central Market, right?

[@davidhowell2456]

This is another reason why I don’t play online games. Learn to enjoy solo…your wallet will thank you. Use your brains people…all of this is just pixels on a screen. No matter what you spend, you’ll never have anything material come out of it that can be kept or passed on. I’d rather buy guns and ammo that I can pass on to my kids.

[@starempresshel1211]

A game I heard of a friend playing has even worse odds where you have a whooping 0.7% chance for a weapon to get upgraded at a certain point (1.4% with a certain item) and the sad part? That's not even the last enhancement stage. There's 2 more beyond it and while the odds do go up to 1% (2% with the certain item), you cannot fully protect it! You can prevent it resetting back to 0 but it can still downgrade... 4-6% with protection sounds generous in contrast but it's still utterly abysmal

[@akira-j.bouvier-akiyama6753]

Haha, BDO is one of those games where you look at it and nope the fudge outa there.

[@barisaxman2]

I know most people wouldn't do this and it's mainly whales. But seeing this just makes me not want to touch the game with a 10ft pole.

[@ziggs123]

If its possible to do so, no sane person should touch such games

[@Stalkercat]

you can and mostly should avoid enhancing the best gear, especially enhancing to fully enhanced black star. It is mainly best to just buy the enhanced gear from the central market with silver gained from just playing

[@itzmeagain291]

Admin didn’t even cover accessories. If you fail ONCE with accessories they break and are gone forever. Not to mention you use the same rings,earrings,belts etc and enhancement materials so u smash two accessories together and potentially lose both. BDO is a great game I love it and in no way need therapy after playing it.

[@SoSlowSoto]

I got 2 PEN blackstars ez without spending. One went in like 17 swings and the other in 2 swings. On free stacks i got from events and costumes i bought with grinding moneys. Feels good

[@averagepizzaenjoyer5681]

the part he forgot to tell is that he spent 12000 hours doing this in a *video game* 😂

[@Baraxal1]

​@@averagepizzaenjoyer5681whats wrong with spending 12000 hours doing what you enjoy? Wow players have played the same game with 0 afk time for 40k hours are they not problematic to you? Na players playing from release of na bdo have like 60k hours (mostly afk) i see no problem if its fun its fun.

[@averagepizzaenjoyer5681]

@@Baraxal1 i just don't see it anymore. i used to but now it doesn't make any sense. taking this long to make progress just strikes me as mentally ill.

[@Baraxal1]

@@averagepizzaenjoyer5681 progress is very consistent from early to mid to end, end endgame is where it slows down when you are targetting bis items for different uses as swaps. I dont see a problem, every game has the topend gear locked behind the largest grind. If a game is good enough to keep you consistently playing then theres no issue am i wrong? I have quit bdo multiple times but this time i came back about 3 months ago and went from under tuvala gearscore so like 542 or so, and im at 678 now, about 250+ bill in gains in 3 months of play while working 10 hours a day 5-6 days a week id say bdo is very generous with progression for literally 90% of the game.

[@II-wu7mx]

@@averagepizzaenjoyer5681you’re saying this on a video made by a guy who got famous putting tens of thousands of hours into wow.

[@luigi6129]

Kanon spend $1,000 for Content!

[@PissMissile-RR]

I mean it’s alr, I just wasted 8k in a motorcycle just to be totaled a week later for some dumb *ss, at least I still have the helmet worth 1,5k

[@gman8492]

For anyone who wants to see the numbers -- 10 spins at 3.9% chance = 32.8% chance of getting at least one success. At his 11 rolls ($1000), he had a 35.4% chance at one or more successes. ;;; To get 50% odds, you'd have to roll 18 times ($1640). To get 75% odds, you'd have to roll 35 times ($3200)... A 99% chance of one or more successes comes with 116th rolls ($10550)

[@jpteknoman]

There was a Russian streamer who got the best armor in the game at 0.08% first try.

[@Mai2708]

who?

[@mao2587]

He must have used 99 years of luck for that

[@dissidia8876fights]

It was very fun... For the publishers.

[@lummergnu]

"Dad why do I have to go to community college ?" "You know this computer game dad spends way to much time on ? Well that game cost a lot of money to keep daddy's addiction going"

[@OnlyGrafting]

I'd like to remind you all, that yes you can technically roll 1% 100 times and try for the technical 1/100 but each roll is still 1%. You can roll it 1000s of times and never get it because of that. Statically unlikely but not impossible

[@deathmoon9570]

"No matter how much the odds is against you, its always 50/50. Its either you get it or you don't." I always have that mindset every gacha game I played.

[@itgamer4143]

That's not how mathematical probability works.😅

[@kosajk]

Well you can chose to belive in any stupid thing you want, fact is if it would be 50/50 you would suceed around every second time ;)

[@spayced]

What?

[@jandenzelvicta9724]

Is there really no end game content in BDO? Anyways, even though, I'm still enjoying the game and the friends I've made from it. It really depends on how you play the game.

[@asdesdvfq222c]

The new guy with 2 weeks of play will grind monsters, cook food, and go to their guild's node war. The guy with 25000 hours will grind mosnters, cook food, and go to their guild's node war. The only differences are the names of the monsters being killed the types of food being cooked, and the average account-age of the players in the guild node wars. I love BDO, because it doesn't have an "end-game." If you arent enjoying the grind and the beginner wars.... you can stop now. It's the same all the way down.

[@knightsurda]

meanwhile I was casually throwing money at maplestory/RMTs to get the best gear and got hacked twice :') casually throwing money at Duel Links to get a specific deck I wanted then stopped playing, casually throwing money at one of the DBZ games for whatever reason. Me playing Gacha games though...I only deal with the free currency cause I know exactly how volatile they can get

[@Melphyx]

With $1000 he could try increase the FS to get better change -about 250 FS- to enhance that TET to PEN. But, NO!!! he want it use only 185 FS. BTW my gears are TET/PEN enhanced with free recourses the game itself give, even afk you get stuff. There is a great difference between P2W and P2P/rogress . All resources, materials, to get better gears can be taken-freely playing or even afk. The money i spent in BDO -about $300 in 4 years- are to unlock more storage / inventory slots or weight, and only 2 outfits (the game give for free outfits box , btw, no need spend RL money for it).

[@Burntheadversary]

9:53 keep in mind his fail stack is underwhelming. Typically you use a 230+ fail stack and you’d get a 5%+ chance at success which is not bad considering this is the BIS weapon. Which again you can buy off the market by grinding the in game currency (silver) for free and at a generous rate

[@noii1524]

Thing is, no one sells them on market. At least it was like that last time I played (around half a year ago)

[@Burntheadversary]

@@noii1524 there’s a website that literally tells you which costumes are selling the most at any given time. And yes you need to wait for your pre order to fill. So what

[@TheSuperadrian1]

@@noii1524 idk i have skin that i bought from market