How 343 Ruined Halo | Asmongold Reacts

[@mightquinnable]

The fact that they hire people who dont even like the franchise is crazy, WHY DO WE LIVE IN THIS TIMELINE?!?!?! "you dont like star wars, here have a show" "you dont like devil may cry, have a game" "you dont like lord of the rings, have a show and make it your own" "you dont like halo, have the franchise for ten years" "you dont like gamers, be our community manager" ITS FUCKING WILD!!!

[@RealBadGaming52]

The world did end in 2012

[@11Survivor]

To be fair, Andor is the best Star Wars show because the director disliked what star wars shows were

[@chriskirk9708]

@@RealBadGaming52 We just didnt realize it. This is actually hell.

[@wisemofo]

because a group of cowards thought they could make the world malleable thru phycological manipulation

[@Jkaninteangemittnamn]

Its more like "we make games to make money " and not for having fun and add to evil dont like fun or laughs much - so remove the fun and make more money

[@kingrogers7740]

I genuinely do not understand how Halo hasn’t been taken from 343

[@McKae00]

Thats what happens when you create a studio specifically to work on one franchise. 343 was created for Halo and without Halo the studio is gone, which tbh wouldnt be a problem.

[@InternetHydra]

They say the right things and have the right checkboxes.

[@r.e.z9428]

They must have blackmail or something.

[@awesomeguy9513]

Microsoft is inept, just don’t care for Xbox, or 343 has blackmail on them. Halo 4 was a decent start, halo 5 nose dived, halo infinite was promising but horribly miss managed which lead to its failure, my favourite halo game in the 343 era is halo wars 2 as that game was good and I say era cause I think it was outsourced to a different company to make that game gave us the banished and more flood content that slapped

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

There are probably execs in Microsoft who are still upset about Halo taking a huge limelight out of their success - there's a famous story about a convention where Bill Gates showed up, a bunch of people came to talk with him, then a promotional guy in Master Chief's armor walked up and everyone ditched Gates for him. Even though Bill Gates isn't in charge of Microsoft anymore I can imagine that rubbed him the wrong way. In the case of 343i they just lie to the shareholders and keep showing the numbers that they do still make from whales and newer customers and it's enough to consider them profitable. It's why I refuse to play any of the new stuff - the very last thing I ever bought from 343 was the Master Chief collection, I've never touched Guardians or Infinite and I never will.

[@wyvernf6644]

343 is truly the guilty spark.

[@BabyEater61]

They basically told us they were going to backstab everyone

[@Intranetusa]

Let me guess: A major corporation laid off their most senior staff (including the creative leads responsible for creating the IP) because the C-suite thought they were paid too much.

[@raskolnikov6443]

⁠@@Intranetusanot really what happened here.

[@nintemic]

Sadly this is 100% true... Bungie can save Halo

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

​@@nintemicthey really can't almost all of the original team is gone

[@theDavid_B]

It still blows my mind that peak Halo is still stuck in 2007.

[@smokey363]

i wouldn’t go that far. i’d say up to 2014-15 is still pretty peak

[@BlueElitefromHaloCE]

@@smokey363you’d be wrong

[@smokey363]

@@BlueElitefromHaloCE maybe i was like 2-4 years over, but definitely not 2007. reach came out in 2010 and is definitely part of the “peak” run

[@BlueElitefromHaloCE]

@@smokey363 most people agree Reach was “the beginning of the end.” I liked Reach but many didn’t. Still, there was a massive population even during Reaches lifecycle. But I don’t think it came close to Halo 3. 1 million concurrent players for months, once new Cod’s started coming out that’s when it started to see a drop but was still one of, if not, the most played games

[@smokey363]

@@BlueElitefromHaloCE i can’t argue with facts. i was more speaking from my personal experience, i personally think 4 was the beginning of the end. last enjoyable multiplayer and for me it was a “good enough” story, not peak tho

[@seancollins9597]

Everyone forgets that with Halo 5, 343 literally said that they, "hired people who hate halo to make it better." Why is this a surprise to anyone??

[@timothylarson6515]

"We hired ppl that hate money."

[@anteupbeats]

Excuses

[@ArielCleirigh]

343 industry: Halo died in Reach, lol.

[@Dubtoy94]

Video or article of this quote?

[@you_tube6733]

halo of duty

[@thefactory7221]

It's still hilarious to me that they named their studio after the character that shoots a fan favorite character in the back and then betrays you, the Player.

[@hakkafuter]

And not only once but twice, managing to kill a beloved character. Oh the irony

[@graye2799]

Not only that, but they all but made him the main character in later Halo books they made and had him have a redemption arc.

[@indyHalo]

True Irony

[@RParis-ov2rq]

Intentional, not ironic.

[@TurtleChad1]

People who don't know anything about videogames should not be allowed to direct a show/movie about them.

[@xrubywolfx9082]

So random and take with a grain of salt, I watched a video a while back where supposedly 343 hated getting Halo. I'm a Halo fan and when 343 took over the stories are hard to remember and didn't make alot of sense to me. Could just be dumb on my part but I have dropped halo but just my two cents.

[@christianalanwilson434]

people who actively hate their audience and media they're adapting shouldn't be allowed to touch it either.

[@awesomeguy9513]

I mean that’s why Star Wars sucks people who don’t care or respect it’s lore were let in and now it sucks, the removed the EU you know how many good shows or movies you could make from that heck KOTR millions in profit right there

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

@@xrubywolfx9082 They were all ex-CoD devs. The Call of Duty franchise was rival to Halo for years. During the phase where some devs wanted to make something different than just a bog-standard generic modern-setting shooter a bunch quit and went on to make their own thing - some went to make Respawn and made Titanfall, the others became 343. 343i never wanted to make Halo, but Halo was their safest option because it guaranteed they could sell their crappy game. If 4 was its own shooter unrelated to the Halo franchise it would have been a decent game, but instead it was a slap to the face and atrocious at best. Microsoft couldn't care less about it being good because it was making sales and many corporations have long adapted the doctrine of "ignore the haters they'll shut up after a month" which has led to the sorry state of the industry today.

[@Itz2Cat]

Welcome modern media. Where once your position is high enough, you cannot fail. You can only fail upwards. No matter how hard you try to fail.

[@GamePath]

The main problem is, is that they couldn't even release Halo infinite with the same basic features that Halo 3 had. Why is it that Counter-Strike can still be successful with the same basic gameplay from the year 2000? Because it's still good. Could Halo benefit from Battle Royal? Sure, but they can't even get down the basics that made Halo good in the first place.

[@erimei8478]

Very well said. All the arguments for "modern mechanics" are pretty well debunked when you consider the success of Counter-Strike.

[@BJRoes]

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - J.R.R. Tolkien

[@narcosblack9321]

This quote is so apt considering Tolkien’s work is going through the same bullshit. Enshittening across the board

[@ddog9301]

It’s a good quote. But calling 343 Evil is pretty dramatic haha

[@sandycheeksyaboi9906]

@@ddog9301eh did u watch the video? They’re malevolent/malicious at least

[@justzack641]

@ddog9301 Considering how they treated the original devs that tried to help them out, I think the title fits.

[@DigiNiverg]

​@@sandycheeksyaboi9906no they aren't 💀

[@Merik2013]

I still remember when it came out that 343's writers were genuinely confused that people considered Master Chief the main character. They couldn't understand why having their OC deck Master Chief pissed people off. This is not hyperbole. They actually made public statements about how surprised and confused they were. This was a direct consequence of going out of their way to only hire people with ZERO experience with the franchise and taking an absurd amount of pride in that fact. Yes, this was also something they made a public statement on. They NEVER should have been given the Halo IP.

[@TheInfiniteNine]

When they post their L's and are proud of it, even bigger L. Society is fucked.

[@sapitage9905]

Who do they think is the main character?

[@SIsReal]

Jesus Christ

[@Hunter-jo8ud]

I wish there would come a studio that gets back to the roots like with Halo Reach and Halo 1-3. What i mean is the artstyle, the music and generally the looks of the game. The gameplay should be modern of course but thats it. I want back that real halo feeling we had when there were all these cool trailers from halo like Landfall, Halo 3 trailer etc.

[@cptncutleg]

Master Chief isn't the main charcter, but he is our eyes. The main character is the UNSC and humanity as a whole.

[@AlgaeEater09]

Halo WAS THEEEEE game in 2005-2012. I remember skipping school, inviting friends over, staying up til 7am ALL NIGHT playing matchmaking. Making friends and even meeting those friends. It was THE GAME.

[@johndymond4596]

That game took what 007 built and shot it to the moon.

[@Ryan-kj5bq]

Glorious memories

[@trevofalltrades]

LAN party/split-screen pvp w/ the bois

[@SirAuron777]

Don’t forget Halo CE, it’s the whole reason halo 2 was so hyped to begin with. I would say 2001-2012

[@solodolo3905]

Hell yeah bro it was damn good good!! Times

[@r.sb_9859]

we need a tactical ODST/Marine game, like a really militarized game that shows how gruesome the human covenant war actually was

[@ericsousa4304]

They let 343 ruin halo yet shut down hi fi rush studio lol

[@expertscav89]

Yeah tango game works didn't deserve that hi-fi rush and Evil with in are great games that helped add to the Xbox game lists and now they're gone.

[@ChinNationFTW]

Gaming Industry management is filled with people who hates or don’t play video games. -coming a couple buddies of mine who were in game game development

[@ItApproaches]

Microsoft would have to take accountability for killing Halo for supporting 343 over and over, they don't want that PR nightmare. So it's the old lets just keep supporting the trash and lose some money and release junk rather then accept we messed up and face the much bigger problem.

[@snark567]

It's a backwards world we live in. The incompetent rise to the top and stay there, the people who can actually produce something of quality get the boot.

[@MAJ4K]

This is the type of stuff Microsoft companies do 👍😎

[@yao7234]

As a Chinese guy who grow up with console ban in the country, still find way to play the Halo 1,2,3 in some illegal console game arcades. Such a good memory to play with my buddies in split screen. Now grown up with the ability to afford the newest console only to find out the good old time is no where to be found again.

[@dr.brainwash7675]

Didn’t know Chinese knew about Xbox let alone Halo

[@KnownAsKenji]

At least emulation is pretty easy. Nowadays you can get (from China as well as other places) a handheld that plays Halo as well as Final Fantasy. No multiplayer, though.

[@fatsomamacheese]

This is the saddest post I've ever read. I'm sorry western culture destroys everything good about it now.

[@ripandtear]

a decade + ago I entered a room with 8 player split screens on a projector, now theres hardly even 2 player split screens anymore...

[@hellryker3647]

I know, its absolutely crazy how local split screen has been completely side lined

[@jamesonsperling8551]

10 years was 2014, split screen was already gone by this point

[@ripandtear]

@@jamesonsperling8551 the plus sign is not cosmetic

[@fullspectrumdominanc]

Build a system link collection of consoles and games and have a LAN party 🥳

[@You_Explain_My_Comics_TY]

​@@fullspectrumdominancthat's not split screen. Why would I have a lan party the doesn't solve shit I already have my friends added online. The problem is I can't play a game with my kid on the same system without beating their ass in Mortal Kombat or w.e sporting bs is out

[@blazingarrows6117]

Play Halo Reach (original on Xbox 360) and you will see what a real female spartan is supposed to look like. The male and female models were accurate and well done. The ones on Halo infinite were dumbed down as it were, made to be non-binary. As a woman, I would prefer to play a woman in good shape than a character that is in bad shape and doesn't look good.

[@adarkwind4712]

Infinite did NOT need a Battle Royale at launch more than it needed forge and theater at launch.

[@Chopstorm.]

Or coop, or more playlists, or more stable servers, etc. Halo Infinite was an unfinished game. A BR mode would have only made it worse.

[@WrathOfHell999]

They could have just throw the og multiplayer maps an cash out but no...

[@timvoorhees8102]

Infinite shouldn’t have ever been a thing, the whole thing was a crap show day one

[@eldenvedetta635]

Yes, it did. As a life-long Halo fan who even spent money on the first month of Infinite, I basically tried it twice after that first month and haven't played other than that. The game sucks, even with them adding my beloved Firefight and theater, as well as the forge with custom games, I still don't play it. If they had a battle royale, I'd be installing right this minute. You don't have to care about Battle Royales, many people do and the numbers would show.

[@randybobandy9828]

Correct.. infinite was a downgrade from halo mcc or even halo 5... Halo MCC took like 4 or 5 years to finally be worthy of playing. If anyone played it in 2014 at launch would realize how bad it was.

[@IcyBlaze616]

people don't give Bungie and Halo 2 enough credit for inventing the matchmaking system that literally every online game uses today.

[@Despondent-]

Yes that maybe so, but Halo 3 is where everything kicked off fanmade projects, short films, machinima's and Forge. Edit: I'm not saying Machinima and short films in general started with Halo 3. I'm saying Halo Community made short films, machinima's and projects Peaked when Halo 3 came out. Sorry for the confusion!

[@IWontBuy-RP]

​@Despondent- Nah, that just means it hit the mainstream thanks to its predecessors. Honestly, without those 2, I highly doubt you'd still hear amything from Halo.

[@Wollops]

@@Despondent-there’s no maybe about it what he said was correct, what you said was also correct. No need to be all uptight!

[@chipsandcheese124]

Bungie is the problem.

[@JonRiotts]

@@Despondent-nothing to do with the actual game

[@ivanjuranovic4212]

Reach had one of the best stories ever , the sad feeling at the and when you get the mission survive and you realise the helmet at the beginning was yours.

[@Th3Cused1]

It saddened me when I found out they removed the Thank You Message from Bungie in the MCC version of Halo: Reach

[@ComradeSulomon]

The story changes from the book. The stalingrad-esque take is kind of bizarre. The battle of reach was decided once the covenant landed.

[@1x1boop28]

@@ComradeSulomon Most people didnt read the book and the book wasnt the origninal creators story. I respect the books but ultimatley hold the games to be a higher form of canon, at least up to reach. halo 4 had some great setup with the halo movie they did but I dont think they did a good job keeping the halo vibe or themes.

[@Cxncubine]

@@Th3Cused1they did?! Jesus Christ.

[@awesomeguy9513]

My favourite game from the 343 era was halo wars 2 which wasn’t even made by them. Halo 4 was alright, halo 5 wasn’t good, halo infinite was mismanaged and on its way to fail

[@mickymickymike4105]

No matter how bad halo gets, I’ll stand by it for the rest of my life. The nostalgia factor is huge with me. These new kids will never understand having Halo parties where friends were bringing their TVs and consoles to your basement and play all night while ordering shit tons of pizza. And we had those big box tvs where you had to hit the screen to fix it. Maan the feels is too much. Halo is my childhood.

[@michaelm1058]

You are part of the problem then..

[@Hanabiroku]

If I had 3 wishes, one of them would be to wish for the Halo franchise to be in competent hands again 😢

[@UndeadFleshgod]

I'd wish for a trillion dollar and buy it with my spare change

[@alwaysangry2232]

and microsoft to go bankrupt for creating and keeping 343

[@diamondheadify-v5i]

The funniest thing is 343i was built for the sole purpose of doing one thing and one thing only: Make Halo games. And they f'ed that up.

[@shatteredsentient5321]

Better yet, have that one wish just apply to everything that has fallen

[@timothylarson6515]

Forge was minecraft-halo

[@realFortyOne]

Bonnie Ross made it very clear in an interview that SHE wanted to own Halo and have it with her name on it and nobody else's. "I wanted it to be MINE", paraphrasing, but not far off. Her "name" also included 343. Her stepping away out of fear of being outed for her sheer greed was the canary in the coalmine. This entire studio is in it for the wrong reason.

[@ItApproaches]

Hmm, where have we heard that recently...ah yes, what's her face with Star Wars The Acolyte lol.

[@jamestomato1744]

You know, everything you said reminded me of something Scott the Woz said once in a video, that since 343 was basically put together to make more Halo games after Bungie dipped, it's probably not going to result in good games because the people aren't making the games because they want to or have ideas for it - but rather out of obligation.

[@AntithesisDCLXVI]

I think you're mixing "verbatim" with "paraphrasing" and it's making me very confused and uncertain about the accuracy of your quote.

[@tomm0016]

She’s gone now and so is frank oconner and Kiki wolfkill, everyone that ruined halo has either left or been fired

[@juicebowl]

I still don't get this mindset. Why would someone want to make a name for themselves by snubbing the original creators and parasiting off their property? If I got to work with the creator of a property I liked, I would be so elated and honored to work with them. Even if it was a property I wasn't interested in, I would still see the creator as a fount of wisdom and work to carry on their vision. I just don't get it. These people must be filled with some kind of resentment. 😮

[@masonjohnson8651]

I don't understand how they have people that talk about getting "PTSD" from the gunshots work on a halo title

[@cin2110]

You would think the dude escaped from a warzone from how he describes guns I bet he's never seen a gun in his whole life.

[@DigiNiverg]

He didn't like real guns and had nothing to do with the guns in game, it's not that hard to understand

[@gnuzwo1lk909]

​@DigiNiverg how tf does he get ptsd then genius ?

[@DigiNiverg]

@@gnuzwo1lk909 he never said anything about PTSD so I guess your just delusional

[@musek5048]

@@cin2110 even mundane things can be terrifying to a true coward lol

[@poisonisdacure]

The biggest problem is that there are only two types of Halo players: 1. People that have been playing Halo since the begining, that are now around 30/40 years old and the only thing they want to do at the end of the day and an 8 hour shift is play big team battle or some casual shit. 2. The other type of people are the guys that have also been playing Halo for 20 years and are fucking demons. Infinite has a brutal skill based matchmaking and most of the time you're going to have type 1 as your teammate and type 2 on the enemy team. This is a fucking nightmare and the reason (among many) why you cant play more than 5 games without wanting to uninstall it. It's definitely not a welcoming experience for new players Not to mention that both types of Halo players hate the idea of a battle royale. They want innovation but they are not willing to accept it.

[@ajthedemon40]

The state of Halo is if you showed a picture of master chief to a kid, the kid would say "Oh hey, it's the guy from fortnite" That I think says everything you need to know about how 343 butchered halo.

[@comradestarbucks2726]

State of a lot of things, honestly.

[@ZoraTheExplora]

😂 nah it says nothing. Kids don't play games. Kids play a handful of things and that's it. They aren't gamers. They don't buy anything and only play free things on touch screen based platforms.

[@roky7772]

ereshkigal based as usual

[@JasonHamHamwich]

​@ZoraTheExplora couldn't be more wrong lmao I got a PS1 when I was four years old and I dove right in. I was going to Blockbuster like once a week to rent new games to beat.

[@fosphor8920]

@@ZoraTheExplora Problem with your logic is that we played Halo as kids and it had legendary status in the gaming community - now, it's in the garbage

[@GhostLink92]

Infinite didn't fail because of a lack of BR. It failed because it was missing basic features out of the box. It failed because the "launch" felt exactly like the "beta" we played for weeks. It failed because, yes, 343 did not have their finger on the pulse of the community. Shunting the story to all happen off screen was a terrible idea, and there's been no word as to what's coming next. Halo 4 at least has Spartan Ops, with weekly installments.

[@therealjaystone2344]

The game was rushed and incomplete

[@adarkwind4712]

@@GhostLink92 spartan ops should never have been canceled. It would've helped so much going from 4-5

[@randybobandy9828]

Exactly. The beta was the retail stripped down. There was no difference. Halo 5 beta was the same thing. The second round beta was the same as retail. The first halo 5 beta was almost the same but they changed the aimi g for the worse.

[@Chickensea10]

No co-OP splitscreen, no theather mode, no forge(ETC WERE THEY THINKING),ETC. At the start as well. RIP classic halo, take us back to the machinima days

[@Halo44327]

Basically everyone got sick of waiting for “the full launch”.

[@Reidtart]

Us 15-18 yrs playing halo 3 are now 30+. We played with our brothers, who are now 35-40. It's gone forever.

[@Ayane690PwnJitsu]

Reach was the last good one (because that's when 343 took over)

[@ethansnyder3401]

That's the reality. We can go back and play those games again, thankfully, but to expect Halo to ever recapture those times and that magic is folly. It can't happen. The best case scenario is a cool spin off in the theme of Helldivers, but they are so stuck digging up the corpse of Master Chief. They can't do anything beyond that aside from Halo Wars 2

[@naradloff]

Same. Now we play Deep Rock.

[@ZER0_G]

I was in college at the time. I still feel this comment though.

[@ancientgodsword]

​@@Ayane690PwnJitsuHalo Reach was terrible and literally made 90% of hardcore halo 3 players quit the game for good

[@Archy871]

Here's a fact. Whatever 343i do next is going to be done by a largely new team of dev's. Working together for their first time, on their first halo project. As we are now aware, the infinite team was compiled of 18 month contracts, and the halo 4 and 5 team were let go at the end of each project. So going into Halo 7. We are once again going in with an unknown team, working together on their first halo game, first time together. Bungie grew as a company from halo CE to REACH, 343i can not say the same thing....

[@GrrmPleaseWrite]

Cope, dude. Next time has to better! Just forget it and remember the good times. Look forward to something other than Halo.

[@Archy871]

@@GrrmPleaseWrite Its just a fact. They laid off each team. Bungie did not do this. The dudes on the Halo reach vidoc are the same dudes from the Halo 2 Vidoc. Team Grows, game grows with it. Halo 7 will be made by a fresh team, working on their first halo together, their first game together. Thats a fact. For #7 in a franchise, you'd hope for better.

[@GrrmPleaseWrite]

@@Archy871 keep hoping. Fourth time’s the charm

[@DanielCamargoTalks]

Bro… let it go… it’s over

[@will4127]

That certainly doesn't help. You bring on a group of devs, then jettison them once the project is complete, so you just lost all the experience they accumulated throughout the development process, not just their technical expertise, but also just their ability to work in cohesion as a team. During the Bungie years, you had a core group of veteran programmers, artists, writers, etc who had worked together for years on not just Halo, but older titles such as Marathon and Myth. All the more reason why turning those people away was such an unfathomably stupid decision on 343's part.

[@HibiscusDonkey]

343 is 3 for 3 in making complete garbage

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

The only thing that kinda qualifies as garbage is halo 5

[@nuevomex8734]

@@davidfrederiksen3185 everything after reach was garabge

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

@@nuevomex8734 that is definitely an interesting opinion you have there, I must hardly disagree

[@Jack-4v]

​@davidfrederiksen3185 so is halo 4 and halo infinite on pare with halo 1 2 3

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

@@Jack-4v halo 1-3 is in my opinion the best video games ever made. I'm talking campaign here as that is what I love the most. So no no game will ever top those games for me but I don't think the games are garbage either. I like halo 4 story a lot halo 5 had a shit campaign, and I loved halo infinites campaign the most out of the 3.

[@I_justlivethedream]

"Evil cannot create. It can only destroy."

[@craigsovilla6578]

Not exactly how the quote goes but close enough I guess.

[@KiremeShadow]

No no no. Evil can create. It creates destruction, madness and tragedies. I'm joking I'm joking great quote

[@nichompolas]

Spoke with a former 343 employee one time who also worked for Bungie before they split. 343 was originally made up of remnants from Bungie that stayed at Microsoft. He said there was a lot of bad blood and pettiness between Bungie and 343 after the split

[@kylesawkon4074]

That’s just ridiculous, it’s halo everyone should be happy just to work on the game

[@Oh-Ben]

@@kylesawkon4074 Well, Microsoft was practically abusing Bungie. To stay with Microsoft would be to work with the hand that denied everything you wanted. Bungie wanted to make Halo closer to Reach, but was denied every time to make the safest game possible.

[@Soliye.]

@@Oh-Ben Funny enough, it’s my favorite Halo game for many reasons. But letting creative minds free is near impossible for corporates isn’t it?

[@graye2799]

That's always been a myth for the most part. Only a few were former bungie employees. Like Frank O Connor unfortunately. Most were new blood and many "hated Halo" according to Frank.

[@Dragonpit]

@@Soliye. Business always runs counter to creation. A creative idea isn't guaranteed to be successful and can be very risky, but business hates taking risks and is always eager to shove that risk onto others. Business always wants a safe product that can be manufactured easily and readily, but the act of creation can difficult, pain-staking, and at the worst times, dangerous. So yeah. Near impossible.

[@blazingarrows6117]

HALO REACH. Best last game to come out for Halo. 343 needs to be fired. They have failed.

[@Hunter-jo8ud]

True, even that i didnt like the complete overhaul of the covenant artstyle. Those Halo 2 and 3 elite armors were the coolest :D

[@danielmirlach4655]

I have to agree, I hated it when it came out and I still dislike how the Spartans were killed on screen. It was budget friendly for sure. Still on the fence about armour abilities and loadouts, made it a lot more like Call of Duty(first Halo to do so). But it had a certain realism to it. Everything seemed purpose designed, utilitarian, used/gritty/dirty, even the soldiers, vehicles, and landscape. The following tittles were so polished, unnecessary, levels with loads of lights and moving objects with no explanation or real purpose in mind. Flashy moving graphics for the sake of it, just to try and showboat in some way. I could take Halo 4 in ways. But it truly was something different at that point with very little remaining from the original franchise. After that, my favourite childhood franchise, and escape was wrecked like others, milked for merchandising, micro transactions, and making too diverse a story/plot to satisfy too many age groups. Halo needs to find it's footing again soon or it I'm afraid it will be another franchise just reminisced about. Just my opinion

[@Hunter-jo8ud]

@@danielmirlach4655Modders could be our hope.

[@Hunter-jo8ud]

@@danielmirlach4655 I mean they did a good job with Halo Infinite, it nearly made me cry to have back that Halo feeling lol :D Well the problem was the monotnous gameplay and open world.

[@heartboyxo2496]

Star Wars, LoTR, Dr. Who, Marvel MCU, DCU, Star Trek, Halo... Man these companies love to lose money 😂😂

[@brettrigby2226]

disney is responsible for most of that

[@alphaomega938]

Maybe they just hate the consumers of those products - ie young western men

[@MLIIKNAD]

Diablo!

[@prekx]

And if we're unlucky Dragon Ball might be joining that list, seeing as the fighting over who gets to create their media/games isn't finalized yet.

[@josecano326]

How does it feel to live long enough to see all of your favorite franchises go down in flames? -RLM

[@PCPAyLOAD]

343 is to HALO as Disney is to Star Wars. Full of ego and hubrous and completely devoid of talent.

[@philswift795]

And bungie is to halo as George Lucas is to star wars

[@bigyoshi5170]

“Take care 343, what you make is heresy!” -Tartarus

[@adarkwind4712]

@@bigyoshi5170 well damn I guess I'm on tartarus' side now.

[@joshuakeitaanpaa8895]

Just ignite the halo already.

[@darthsavitar]

343i is no more... they've rebranded to "Halo Studios" better be damn good... remember, "don't shake the lightbulb!"

[@WonderfulMrWolf]

It's like the developers changing their genders. It will always be how it was. Shit. 343 becoming Halo Studios won't change a thing.

[@erenmos]

the halo TV show makes more sense now, it was 343 who approved it

[@uncoiledfish2561]

God it was horrible. You can’t have a male lead anymore. So they spent more time on the females around the chief. It’s got to be hard to write with modern restrictions. They want men to be more feminine. So they had the chief just cry a bunch 😂

[@jeffery1harris941]

absolutely ridiccilous lol. All of these "we have one chance to expose the greatness of Halo to the world... but we dont know what Halo even is." :(

[@Soliye.]

Halo’s probably the best example to show what’s wrong with the gaming industry nowadays. How come we had better games 2001 - 2012 and more than a decade later we can’t get half the content these games had. That’s with longer development time and a quite bigger money pool.

[@RezzNations]

Microsoft can shutdown Tango Studios after a successful game, but then allow 343 to getaway with ruining their Flagship game for 10 years? Make it make sense..

[@Luissv72]

H4 & 5 sold like crazy, 5's microtransactions made more money than any Halo just on their own. It wasn't until Infinite they've had any trouble with $$$. As long as it sells, who cares over there?

[@jase276]

I hate to break it to you but despite being the WORST Halo, Halo 5 made at least $400 million near launch. It's sold 4 times more than Hi-Fi Rush

[@turtlefrog369]

@@Luissv72 comparing 2020s sales figures to 2000's does not hold. the game markter is much bigger.

[@DaGalaxyBoy]

@@turtlefrog369 that doesn't matter. All Microsoft cares about is how much money a game makes, and if that game isn't making a lot of money, then they're just gonna fire the studio.

[@donkeymoo1581]

Another guy who can't respect the difference between good game and popular game. Ghostwire tokyo fantastic game. Hi fi rush fantastic game. Did they sell literally any copies? No. People need to stop using sandpaper to make their brain nice and smooth and learn to differentiate situations. There are studios that create trash doesn't sell get shut down everyones happy. There are studios that create great games that sell well and they keep going and everyone is happy. Then there are the rare studios that create great games but they just do not sell at all and sadly they get shut down because even if we all respect their work if they don't bring in money they can't keep going.... That is life, that is business. It's not fair.

[@stillnotchill2560]

343 stands for the number of attempts it will take them to make a good video game.

[@HerbusWinkle024]

They are 3 for 3 in making bad games

[@careatv6620]

Seems more like 343 thousand honestly which would just bury them further into the ground.

[@tyrgannusgaming6657]

I think there's a chasm of difference between remakes 5 years later and remakes 20 - 25 years later. Never do the first one, only rarely do the second

[@MdoubleJay]

I find it funny the master chief collection has more active players than infinite

[@evdoggster]

Halo 3 from 07 has better destruction, ai, lighting, map design than infinite.

[@McBoofus]

Not too surprising though.

[@Giliver]

well no duh the game that has significantly more content is more popular.

[@RyanRoberts-qf5et]

because they also took away what was fun, which was all the cool customizations you can get, Im not major halo fan I only played them up until reach but I played so much reach online just for the customization, when infinite came out i thought oh shit ill get back into it...then i realized its free and what I enjoyed from it is going to be paywalled and so be it, it was. I think character customization plays a big part in games people dont realize it. you have to have something to play for, something to work for

[@McBoofus]

@@Giliver It also has mod support. The community makes more interesting content than 343i ever has.

[@DJToMyHits]

I got 343 problems and this is one of them.

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

If I'm completely honest, Bungie isn't gonna do a better job. Those guys are making some of the most criminal micro transactions in history and get away with it. Like actually criminal

[@tanodz7635]

​@@CALAMITY0FHYRULE, we're talking about old Bungie employees who are still willing to work on the Halo franchise. The only reason they don't is because of 343's ego.

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

@@tanodz7635 yeah I know. I'm just saying don't give that shit back to current bungie

[@ron8162]

I will never forgive them for putting Cortana in that goofy AI suit and downgrading her face in Halo infinite

[@11Survivor]

She's pretty cute in that suit though imo

[@TheKnightOfSmite]

DEI jaw

[@TommiSRP]

It is not Cortana though...

[@cin2110]

@@TheKnightOfSmite Why do they hate feminine jaws so much most women don't have manlike jaws.

[@TheKnightOfSmite]

@@cin2110 If you realise who is making those games, their ideologies and who they are, (which usually is easy to find because they have a Twitter account), you'll know why by putting two and two together Often they go on "we hate gamers" rants too. Basically they hate you and are making games for themselves, riding on the coat-tails of IP and nostalgia

[@IanFitty]

Based on the reveal of the studio rebrand and ANOTHER restructure, remaking halo 1 is now clearly a means to get the new teams shit together on UE5 while also releasing a tangible product. 343i is no longer. Interested to see how this goes now that no resources will need to be allocated towards building the engine their creatives use.

[@danielvorster5773]

343: No forge, no co-op, no splitscreen, nothing that made Halo iconic. Also 343: Why is nobody playing Halo?

[@rafapocharski149]

Exactly this

[@Green__Ghost]

Halo, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, my childhood is slowly rotting away.

[@amapnamedpam]

battlefield has been ruined too, BFV and BF2042 were terrible games

[@carlitosskater89]

Cultural war. Also, power of nostalgia.

[@THIS---GUY]

ea killed everything ​@@amapnamedpam

[@rjwallace7477]

It’s pretty simple to avoid it. Just don’t play or watch the new stuff and stick to what you enjoyed growing up with it’s much better

[@dawgface898]

EA Sports, its in the grave

[@appleonsauce2035]

The way 343 treats the original halo creators reminds me of how d3 devs treated the d2 devs. Look how that turned out for them.

[@reptiliansupremacy6665]

d2 = Diablo 2 ?

[@Arkaeus04]

@@reptiliansupremacy6665I think so idk

[@CyberMonkey03]

What the fuck is d2 and d3? I thought it was destiny for a sec

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

How lazy can you be to not write a games name out and assume anyone knows what you mean. People getting more dumb by the day

[@Arander92]

It really is frightening how rapidly people’s intellects are degrading, isn’t it?🤦🏾‍♂️

[@samgray4566]

The fact MS closed down Tango and left 343 open is something that actively blackpills me everytime i think of it lol.

[@arbi8903]

Well I'm just glad 343 has been gutted since

[@samgray4566]

@@arbi8903 honestly it doesn't matter to me one way or another. As long as we have MCC we'll have 3 God tier and 2 incredibly good halo games, maybe they'll get it right one day. We're never going to get evil within 3 which is so depressing I try not to think about it.

[@alphaomega354]

I vividly remember 343 Industries employees saying they hated Halo in the Halo 4 “Making of” videos. In the Halo 4 documentary, Bonnie Ross herself says she hires employees that hate Halo. They created the version Halo they liked, and everyone else hates.

[@ItApproaches]

I recall them saying they were Halo fans.

[@Oh-Ben]

@@ItApproaches Have you seen Halo 4? That wasn't made my anyone that cared. They had to unfuck the multiplayer version of Halo 4 in MMC because everyone would drop the second Halo 4 appeared as the next game.

[@ItApproaches]

@@Oh-Ben They proclaimed that "343 was made up of Halo fans" and said something along the lines of "As fans, we know what Halo is all about so Halo is in good hands." Blah blah blah. However that only proves the old saying of this is why you DON'T let the fans make decisions, they don't know what they want. The other issue is that they were "fans" they had no dev skill. As for Halo 4, Halo 4 was the best thing 343 made...I know that's not saying much, but I actually enjoyed the CAMPAIGN of Halo 4, the multiplayer was junk though. Halo 4 was meh, it was a 5/10. It was playable. But everything else they did was just sad.

[@alphaomega354]

@@ItApproaches no brother. In the “Making of” videos for Halo 4 on Halo Waypoint/Special Edition (which I owned), they were blatantly saying they WEREN’T Halo fans and that they were there to make the series better.

[@3DarkTemplar]

I thought Halo 4 & 5 multiplayer base gameplay, gunplay, and game mechanics were solid for modern shooters. It's the delivery of the game's features, modes, aesthetics & halo essentials that were awful. + The loot boxes 🤢.

[@Thugblader92]

"Remaster, ultra omega deluxe, your favorite is back again!!" "480p upgraded to 720p on console." "480p upgraded to 1080p on PC." "by the way, the old one isn't sold anymore, the servers are taken down, and the new one is $70." Yeah, no thanks.

[@ravenschihl4038]

o don't forget the split screen dlc.

[@playerman120]

Halo makes me so emotional everytime. The memories and connection you get is so strong. So it hurts a lot and reminiscing on it brings tears everytime

[@monk3110]

I played 4, didn’t finish story mostly multiplayer, and that was still pretty fun but I haven’t played afterwards. This is why I’m pretty careful about not having things like this tainted for me. It’s silly but I’m holding onto so little already and I really feel like that’s a reason ppl react viscerally

[@Hunter-jo8ud]

Woke people destroy the halo franchise, same for other games. Feminists and maybe even non binary people (who are also leftists).

[@SchoologyGames]

The custom and forge games with my friends on halo 3 and reach are some of my most fond memories

[@babyyeti2540]

Halo 4 was definitely an underrated game in my opinion. The forerunners/Prometheans were a less fun opponent than the covenant to be sure, but the story was actually quite good and I played the shit out of that multiplayer

[@ikiwheese]

Halo going from bungie to 343 was one of the worst mistakes to ever happen to the Halo franchise.

[@Flapdr01]

It's not a mistake, bungie wanted out and microsoft scrambled to create a studio to keep milking halo.

[@aerickmon3350]

You mean the worst

[@DigiNiverg]

How? When Bungie made the worst game

[@LegendaryGoetz]

@@DigiNiverglmao delusional

[@DigiNiverg]

@@LegendaryGoetz reach blows

[@BloodedHero]

343 hasn't released a complete game... Ever. Missing game modes, maps, theater, forge.. etc, that alone.. is awful. 343 has gotta go.

[@RonnieJamesDeodorant]

As bad as it was, did they do that with Halo 4 as well? I know they were slowly releasing Spartan Ops chapters, but then cut that off earlier than expected.

[@BloodedHero]

@@RonnieJamesDeodorant yes. They did.

[@JLowe2013]

Disagree with some of its creative and gameplay decisions, but Halo 4 was a finished, polished, complete Halo experience at launch. Which is why it's even more baffling they couldn't do that with 5 or Infinite.

[@proxymohawk2933]

The worst thing imo is that Microsoft HAD to close the Hi-Fi Rush studio but keeps 343 alive regardless of their repeated failures. We lost the chance to have a Hifi2, but will get remakes of the 1st 3 halo games *again*

[@snark567]

Nepotism must be playing a role, it doesn't make sense otherwise.

[@alexander1055]

We never got remakes of the first 3 games. We get remasters of Halo 1 and Halo 2. It was purely a graphic remake, they added or remade nothing. And Halo 3 was never touched.

[@SpiiiiiceeMAN]

@@IgnoreMeImWrong got me in the first half ngl

[@golik133]

Didn't they're the one who had made evil within 2&1 😢

[@ZOMBIEo07]

Im sorry, but can you guys stop praising Hi Fi rush as some super successfull game? I litterally know nobody that even knows this game exists. It was just some cool indie game, nothing more. Comparing it to Halo is insane.

[@darkside7802]

The Halo Infinite intros are stupid as hell. Remove them. Also, fix Halo: MCC. It’s littered with game breaking and account banning hackers. The BEST multiplayer PVP experience is on the MCC, and it’s ruined. BR should have been on release. Asmon’s best take ever.

[@onthehouse201]

343 is genuinely the most awful and incompetent videogame studio ever

[@AverageJoe483]

I think Rocksteady maybe surpassing them with Suicide Squad .

[@onthehouse201]

@@AverageJoe483 theyre fucking bad but not even close, ive never seen a bigger mishandling of a franchise than what 343 has done to halo

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

​@@onthehouse201what about all the dead franchise

[@onthehouse201]

@@davidfrederiksen3185 halo ending after Reach would have been a better fate for the franchise than what has happened to it now

[@holy8782]

@@Mewsashi-cz9fo The hell are you on about?

[@frigidofdoom7191]

I remember finding a quote form somebody at 343 in an interview. They were asked why Halo 5 was pivoting the main character from Chief to Locke. Their response was that they thought that Chief was a bland character that nobody cared for, so they wanted to introduce a new character that actually has character traits to latch on to. My mind was blown. I have no idea how you run an IP and you are that insanely disconnected from the people that play your game. Imagine if George Lucas said "Yeah so I realized nobody cared about darth vader in my movies". Master chief was *the* gaming icon. Even moms who had never touched a controller in their life knew that he was Mr. Halo man. How can you be so blind as to think that he should ever be replaced?

[@MushroomSwissburger-yc4oi]

Halo 5 had the best character based narrative. And the most distinguishable weapons than any other game in the series

[@DigiNiverg]

Bro. They literally made chiefs character in 4 way better than the Bungie games

[@roky7772]

@@DigiNiverg so how did 5 and infinite turn out then

[@roky7772]

@@MushroomSwissburger-yc4oi cope more

[@roky7772]

@@DigiNiverg then why do people hate 343 lol

[@sallydrum7669]

They just want to Sweet Baby DEI Combat Evolved. A final FU to the OG devs and fans.

[@thenewplantationisinyourmind]

They gonna make Master Chief a chick and gay. Master Queef

[@prozoomy]

😂😂😢 that's funny and sadly could be a reality. ​@@thenewplantationisinyourmind

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

​@@prozoomyyeah definitely not like they didn't also make halo 2 remaster, basically the best remaster for some time

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@davidfrederiksen3185 only good thing they have done. They messed up everything else. They never delivered the full package with any of their games.

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

@@raskolnikov6443 I mostly prefer the campaigns so for me it was really only 5 I heavily disliked. 4 was good and infinite was just getting to be great when the game ended

[@botre6505]

i remember showing my dad halo 2, i was online and i told him that the character driving the warthog was my brother and he sat there in aw. My dad is not a tech guy in no degree but it was funny watching comprehend that.

[@Tsukiko.97]

I’ve became so apathetic with entertainment. Star Wars, Halo, Assassins Creed and Battlefield, all my favorite franchises, just keeps regressing. With Halo I’m tired of giving the “new 343” the benefit of the doubt when they can’t even fix simple bugs but yet want to charge $30-50 skins. Not to mention 343 doesn’t want to pay community map makers, the people who actually publish content for multiplayer. And us infinite players aren’t supposed to expect a new game or infinite content until 2026? That doesn’t jive. If 343 drops another miss then I truly believe Halo will die. Certain affinity is our last bastion of hope to steer the development of Halo 7 correctly. No excuses with making Halo 7 in unreal engine.

[@RealBadGaming52]

Life isnt worth living anymore and theirs no future

[@B1-997]

This is why i keep going back to playing the Bungie era Halo games.

[@RealBadGaming52]

@OtakuBenny2210 its true

[@dondeestaCarter]

​@@RealBadGaming52 It's because this was made by design, not "corporate decisions". That's a lie. They're loosing money by killing off these franchises.

[@Z3phlar]

Dude it's literally the entire entertainment industry taking the "millenial nostalgia" route.

[@liquidemotionzz3232]

And they're still fucking that up!! Lol

[@robosing225]

@@liquidemotionzz3232 imagine trying to monetize nostalgia without using any actual component of made it nostalgic in the first place.

[@Spartan-bl4pq]

One of my biggest complaints is the armor design, 343 makes armor ugly on purpose, yet some how almost every halo 3 and reach armor looks sexy good

[@JohnDoe11VII]

Bungie helmets look like something you could wear and see through. 343 helmets look like Christmas tree ornaments.

[@robosing225]

@@JohnDoe11VII don't forget the series (unrelated to 343) that decided to have master chief helmetless, like... how disconnected from your fanbase do you have to be to think that was a good idea?

[@ZOMBIEo07]

​@@robosing225They also removed his pants 😂

[@jaype331]

38:39 the way you delivered the line "A pepsi spartan" with complete and serious disappointment 😂😂😂

[@graye2799]

Understand that Halo, believe it or not, was one of the first victims to DEI and promoting unqualified people. How? Who did MS pick to lead 343 initially and for over 10 years? It was Bonnie Ross, a woman who had no experience with anything like Halo, and who was her 2nd in command? Kiki Wolfkill. Let's not even get into Frank O Connor and how they messed it up.

[@danielsaurusrex8798]

EXACTLY. What happened to Halo was the harbinger of what was to come for all beloved franchises. We just didn't see the potential destruction at the time.

[@pink-_-621]

​@@danielsaurusrex8798Aren't all 3 gone now?

[@Visual217]

​@@pink-_-621Long after the damage was done

[@Marryjanesbud]

Meh. Halo ended with Reach & every fan here since the beginning knows it. Like, does infinite even have split screen?

[@rsombrero97]

@@MarryjanesbudI disagree, there was a lot of story line potential with Reach

[@cackys123]

I believe Cortina said it best in the books when describing the covenant "they're imitative not innovative"

[@xXJLNINJAXx]

Cortina lmfao

[@wumbosaurus9121]

Cortabo

[@wa_________ge3254]

Is that Cortana’s cousin😂?

[@PixelKatana]

This is where Star Wars is headed.

[@kaiares5109]

Star Wars has been there for years

[@Shephard117]

They’ve been that way for a while

[@Lemon_Jackassss]

@@kaiares5109I agree homie, it’s been there for almost 10 years

[@sicksixgamer2694]

It's already dead.

[@jeromesasquatch2305]

Sorry but star wars has been rotting in its grave for a few years

[@devilmancries9617]

I agree with the chatter, saying 343 is dumb for not releasing Halo with a Battle Royale after you have called other developers lazy for doing that very same thing, it's stupid.

[@Dovaclin]

343 have halo longer than bungie and still can’t make a half decent halo game

[@RealBadGaming52]

Thats a scary thought

[@MAJ4K]

Infinite's mechanics are pretty good. Objectively the game's issues aren't in the MVP game loop

[@TrampyPulsar]

The truth of the matter is that we were never supposed to get more halo after 3, but Microsoft wouldn't let it die. Without Bungie, without the original developers and designers, you don't have Halo. Halo 4 5 and Infinite aren't halo games, they're halo esports extentions with a campaign tacked on

[@Jet-ij9zc]

There's also ODST and Reach in-between 3 and 4. Both of which were great imo (but also made by bungie)

[@timothylarson6515]

Agreed best game series that ended with 3

[@timothylarson6515]

​@Jet-ij9zc I agree ODST and reach tapped into other stories and features. But reach could've been a perfect end.

[@RealBadGaming52]

4 was a decent game though…the rest 😂😂😂😂 no

[@donkeymoo1581]

@@Jet-ij9zc ODST was planned while halo 3 was being created because they always wanted to do a game where you don't play the super soilder (which they then joke about because pretty much everything you did as an odst was the same as a spartan) Reach on the other hand bungie was forced to make because microsoft demanded one more halo game before they left to work on destiny. The development of reach is extremely well documented. So the OG comment is not really wrong seeming odst was never considered a full game but a mini spin off.

[@graye2799]

Asmons takes on old Halo gameplay are wrong. If you go back, they still play great and can easily be done today, assuming you had competent people making it. People claim Halo was outdated and needed to change are just wrong. Halo was competing with COD at its prime and doing great until Halo 4, and it's all been downhill from there. Even now, the argument is still bunk. COD today still has the fundamental gameplay flow it did back in mw2/Black Ops days, and it's still doing great, yet Halo couldn't do the same? That's wrong. Sprint is bad for Halo because it fundamentally breaks its map design and gameplay flow. Anyone who also says Halo was slow is wrong. What does slow even mean? Your speed is designed for the gameplay mechanics and maps you're in, so there's nothing to compare it to except other games, and not every game needs to be a doom style, fast-paced shooter. People only think it's slow because the console fov was low.

[@gnarllama1355]

Preach my man

[@MakinaMakinaMakina]

Halo started to go downhill during Halo Reach actually, that’s when MLG and the comp scene took a huge nosedive. And it just got worse from there with every subsequent release. The difference with comparing it to CoD is that CoD gets a new game every 12/18 months and this keeps it fresh, Halo grows stale because we’re waiting years until the next game releases.

[@graye2799]

@@MakinaMakinaMakina Even though the competitive scene suffered, Reach was still incredibly popular and maintained a high player count. That makes no sense. If anything, that would make COD grow stale faster because it's the same every year. But it didn't. The simple fact is that the gameplay for both COD and Halo was good. COD was going in the wrong direction until MW remake, and Halo has been going downhill since 4.

[@SIsReal]

Walking speed in the old halo games were probably as fast some run speeds in cod or at least close to it

[@arctiwolf857]

Incorrect. The versions you play now are not the versions that were released originally. The code is different. The environment is different. The community is different. Hell, the graphics are different (often broken). The very foundation of your argument is already wrong.

[@thepodium3441]

Halo Studios is the official rebrand on UE5. Goodbye 343 👏 🎉 - Cheers to the future of Halo 🍾🥂

[@xxRegentRaptorx]

343 are standing on the shoulder of giants, but they look down and realize that they’re afraid of heights

[@tzviru]

Quite the opposite, They look down and delusionally think that they would be taller standing by themselves, they jump off the shoulders and plummet to their inevitable crush

[@shazmodeus2795]

the studio created to take over Halo was named after a Halo villain, 343 Guilty Spark, honestly, we shouldn't be surprised they ran it into the ground.

[@volishun]

Asmon shocked Infinite didn’t release with a BR, it didn’t even release with TEAM SLAYER! Like what in the hell were they thinking?

[@kloppanator]

When I first saw headlines about the 343 announcement today I thought 343 was going to tone down pretending to be the rightful heirs to the legacy of one of the masterpieces of my childhood. Psych.

[@DumDumN1]

Why did Phil Spencer never step in and clear up this whole fucking mess. Somebody as Phil who claims to be a mega Halo fan, this should make him furious.

[@aspaceg]

Because Phil is not the super cool ultra "gam0r" that marketing has built his image to be. He's a figure head with an image, and he supported this for a decade if that isn't a wake up call for you. He also said Starfield was a good complete game. LOL

[@AtomicDoom561]

@@aspacegPhil is just a marketing character designed to distract people of the real problems Xbox had all these years, he can’t do nothing because he’s no one.

[@jase276]

People still don't get by now that Phil's managing style is hands off. He gives the studios complete liberty to do whatever & whenever until the suits upstairs tells him they need some money and only then does he rush a studio to put something out after like 8 years of nothing. Now, this would normally be an ideal management style because it worked in the golden age of gaming when studios were actually filled with competence. But, it isn't the golden age anymore, Xbox keeps acquiring studios filled with fresh interns who know nothing about game developing nor even like it. Spencer is washed up and AAA gaming has a serious quality control problem.

[@DJezdic]

Wait, I thought the last Halo game was Reach?

[@iowasucks9494]

It was in our hearts

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

Halo infinites campaign was good and halo wars 2 was good also. Halo 4 is good enough too with faults. Halo 5 is the only bad story

[@HAL0B0MB]

@@davidfrederiksen3185 Infinite was only "good" because it rectified some of their mistakes. It wasnt a defining sequel

[@randomgai7531]

It was man it was 😢

[@cin2110]

it is the last halo game just like how the last starwars movie was revenge of the sith.

[@sootythunder3111]

Fun fact about halo 2 Cortana, in the anniversary edition of halo 2 we’re 343 made new models for all characters and enviorments/weapons Cortana in game model that you see in 1 mission when chief is on high charity, they straight up added 40-50 pounds of body fat on Cortana in game model, it’s noticeable because you can toggle old and new graphics, in old you get a curvy sexy women, in new you get a women who spends all day behind a desk who binges on monster energy to get herself through the day, coming home to eat a bowel of ice cream to make her happy and go to sleep spending 0 time ever doing a physical fitness activities

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

What is this complaint even supposed to mean

[@anthonyjoy9719]

​@@davidfrederiksen3185 probably pointing out the forced dei trend has made its way into halo

[@davidfrederiksen3185]

@@anthonyjoy9719 yeah but his argument is laughable at best. Halo 4 Cortana is basically just a extremely curvy lady. And in the majority of halo 2 remaster she looks like herself.

[@GoofierClock]

I wouldn't say halo 2 Cortana is curvy, she just look very slim but still very attractive unlike the remaster.

[@schultz4966]

Bro… 343 sucks but you seriously need to touch grass.

[@ThumbsUpMike]

MCC release was the first major strike, they released the game broken and unplayable for a whole month, took 4 years to update the game to even be good and reliable. Every game they touch is a disaster one way or the other. If an employee constantly fucks everything up, you're fired. If a company fucks everything up, you are fine, shift blame elsewhere.

[@Jake-oj3dn]

100% agree how unfathomable it is to let a studio take your biggest franchise for 10 plus years only to produce 3 flops and then not have a clue how to proceed from there. Studio should've been wiped after halo 5 but for some reason we're still here waiting to see what they do next??? Are you fucking joking???

[@ItApproaches]

Microsoft has never had any passion for the gaming industry. They saw it was the biggest industry on the planet for making money and wanted in. Their first attempt to get into the business was to buy Nintendo...and Nintendo laughed in their faces. Their second plan was to have some other company make them a system, that failed...plan three was they made a system themselves, which was the Xbox.

[@Former_Halo_Fan]

Halo 4 wasn't a flop. It had a mixed reception but there were plenty of people who liked it, it made a profit, and it had an active community for years. Halo 5 also made an even bigger profit than Halo 4 even though it went on to be hated. Halo 6's gameplay was praised upon release and also made a profit despite immediately losing most of its player-base due to a lack of map diversity, game-modes, forge world, community support, etc. That's the cause of uncertainty - they know people will still buy their games regardless but they don't know how many of those players they will actually retain. Microsoft isn't going to wipe out 343 because 343 still continues to make them money despite everything, and there's no guarantee whoever they replace them with will be better. All the studios and talent that have proven track records with working on shooters are working for other franchises.

[@graye2799]

​​@@Former_Halo_Fan Halo 4 was player base and retention wise a flop. Halo 5 did only as good as 4 and coasted on some lootboxes while the player base dwindled, slowing profits. Halo infinite on the other hand was complete failure. It almost certainly didn't make up it's 500 million dollar budget and their games have become less and less popular.

[@graye2799]

​@@Former_Halo_FanInfinite did not make a profit when it was mostly free to play.

[@ludas7374]

I went to a con earlier this year with voice actor of master chef. You have no idea how long his line was. So many people have a love for this game.

[@jethrodark2372]

Yup...I will always love Bungie's Halo, but after Halo 1-3(ODST included of course)and Reach I consider everything made since non-canon.

[@raistlinsly1]

removing the Flood and making Master Chief a side character was dumb as fuck

[@MAJ4K]

The flood were removed in halo 3 weren't they

[@B1-997]

@@MAJ4K no.

[@DigiNiverg]

​@@B1-997they were literally mostly defeated in halo 3, you guys can't be serious

[@silentkhaos1176]

@@DigiNiverg No they weren't, only that specific Gravemind. The flood cannot die as even a single spore surviving means they survive as well. Plus the Flood from Halo 2 and Halo CE were different groups, and since that's two rings in a row with the Flood, the chance of the Flood surviving elsewhere is immense. The Gravemind was defeated in Halo 3, but not the Flood as a whole. Edit: Plus they are able to form into beings able to literally altar time and space, so they're kind of just too OP TO die.

[@MAJ4K]

@@silentkhaos1176 thanks for explaining, but the fact that I didn't think of that, or know it was different flood entities during Bungies halo means 343 definitely doesn't know they could be alive.

[@hisairness5628]

a Halo Reach sequel that is set up like Destiny 2 would have been one of the greatest/ highest selling games of all time.

[@xerosolar307]

Microsoft logic be like: Let's shut down Arkane Austin and Tango, but we will let 343 live

[@benjyology]

The introduction to the flood was one of the best and memorable moments of the game for me. Going through the library and learning about the race was so cool too. I still remember being on the edge of my seat trying to escape the planet on the jeep while being chased and explosions going off.

[@thatzaliasguy]

The reason we'll never be able to recapture Halo again, is because we'll never have Marty O'Donnell create another score for the franchise.

[@thatzaliasguy]

Also, we couldn't have modern Bungie ever make another Halo, since modern Bungie is woke garbage, and would inject some large DEI and LGBT BS into the universe.

[@pododododoehoh3550]

We coulda, he's wanted to make halo music again for years, but 343 said no.

[@ramp622]

I don't think halo needed to release with a br, people still love arena shooters, and competitively they are still thriving, cod etc. Br's are a phase and arena shooters are tried and true successes.

[@purplenurp5590]

343 killed Cortana in a flashback.................................

[@MAJ4K]

Atriox... flashback Didact... Off-screen (Comic) The Rookie... Off-screen (Comic)

[@Daedalia-q9b]

Don’t forget the shit storm that was MCC when it first came out.

[@lct23]

“Hope you’re fine waiting an hour in queue for a match”

[@Andrew-ew3uv]

The Book Halo Reach starts with the doctor finding John on a playground and they take him to train him. It goes through his training as a kid and through his early missions then Reach happens and he Gets the Mjolnir armor for the first time and the covenant try to stop him.

[@abrahamzamora343]

A cool aspect that people usually overlooked was that in halo lore there were spartan 3. teams of 2 that were called head hunters, that would be cool a sort of stealth game there were behind enemy lines

[@vokuhila6913]

crazy how the gears of war series is having the exact same problem but at least they put gears 6 on hold for a prequel

[@RoboChocobo]

Microsoft had an established IP with global popularity and brand recognition, and nobody at the corporate level cared about trashing it. This is the far bigger story that no one seems interested in covering. They were negligent for over 10 years and got paid for it!

[@hbg2149]

No one outside of the US cares about halo.

[@Kuroo39]

​@@hbg2149and even in the US its only xbox players aka people who don't actually play a lot of video games

[@yoruemiya9196]

And the reason I don’t say worst things is because of the KZbin filter

[@MrThundaro]

​@@hbg2149 And? America is still a huge market, the biggest

[@RoboChocobo]

@@hbg2149 Cares vs Cared.

[@LegionOfEclaires]

Halo peaked with Halo 3.

[@dumb.luck36]

Halo reach was pretty fun

[@therealjaystone2344]

Pre 343 aquirement of Halo was peak halo

[@MAJ4K]

I personally prefer reach, but I really like infinite's mechanics

[@rootyp]

Going from toting my tube tv and og Xbox to my friends house on the weekend for Halo CE LAN parties to buying H2 on midnight launch to go home and play online with hundreds of thousand of strangers ONLINE blew my mind. It was an epic time to play games and I’ll never forget it.

[@Soliye.]

Ok… The whole “Battle Royal” argument’s gonna drive me insane. Halo doesn’t and never needed one. It just needed to release fully featured with stuff like playable elites, dual wielding and all that stuff back. It needed split screen. Maps that better support vehicles. All on release date. It did NOT need battle passes, cores and a shop for your credit card to go in. We needed something similar to Reach. Battle Royal? How come we can’t get a better, bigger version of invasion where Spartans go up against elites with marines and grunts as AI? Like a 20vs20 cluster F war… Why did we get a repetitive open world that has NO wow factor prior Halo games had (environment wise). Where are the interesting characters I care about? But damn, I guess Infinite really did fail for not having a BR. Yeah I’m sure that’s the biggest problem with Halo. Like holly shit we can’t even get the whole Halo experience in Halo nowadays and then you tell me a game mode that’s saturated now is missing?!?! Ok 👍

[@heyfindcake]

Ya you are right! It already has a battle pass! Who needs royal!? Don't forget to do your dailies

[@yous2244]

Not really, that's just you, I'm younger and never played Halo. I probably would've played it if there was a battle royal. It's just their decision on whether they only want veteran players with nostalgia or younger players. Halo is outdated

[@brandonmcgregor9912]

@@yous2244 If it failed for being outdated by not having a battle royal, then why do veteran Halo fans who dont want battle royal not like it? And you admitting you are younger says it all, like the people who said about the show "Well I never played the games or read the books and I liked the show." You are a different demographic.

[@yous2244]

@@brandonmcgregor9912 that's why I said, it's up to the creators, they can just make it for veterans like you with nostalgia or they could make it for the newer generation and increase player count. Halo is very outdated, games have evolved a lot over the decades. You can't just remake an old game and expect it to work. If they really made like you people who are talking with nostalgia are saying, it would be dead in a month. Just look at the statistics.

[@yous2244]

@@brandonmcgregor9912 also no I'm not that young, I just didn't play on Xbox only PC, my favourite game was Operation Flash or Arma 1(as they call it now), Cod Modern Warfare the best one, Predetor 2, King of the Road, Quake, Rise of Nations, Stronghold, Total war games and these types of games.

[@emoment1088]

The funny thing is, Halo 5 Warzone was one of the best modes 343 has ever made, one of the only things they've ever done in their entire existence that players actually enjoyed. And they just never did anything with it.

[@brettlivingston595]

This. Played the hell out of that. Last spark of hope for the franchise and they dropped it.

[@isopropyltoxicity]

And it still had hella issues lol being pay to win was #1

[@NickTemperistic]

Bungie already had the cake baked when 343 took over. All they had to do was put frosting on it. All they had to do was light the candles and they burned the whole thing to the ground

[@TrueCanad1an]

Looking at this with nostalgia googles. Halo 3 still looks beautiful to this day.