Atari Jaguar On The Toilet - This Week In Retro 190

[@LGR]

Thank you for the encouraging words and well wishes! Things are slowly but surely looking up as I begin repairing the home and recalibrating life. It’s also just nice to hear friendly voices. Even without steady power or internet I still had you guys playing in the car as my weekend began :)

[@DJSvenNo1]

Hope normality returns quickly for you!

[@electronash]

Hope you get things fixed up soon, and that most things can be salvaged. Also hope everyone else in the affected areas are OK. LGR is one of the first channels I ever saw for "retro", which gave us a glimpse of what the future of KZbin could be for us fellow nerds.

[@ManiacalMoogle]

Glad your family is safe and prayers you recover soon

[@ScandalUK]

Neil and Chris are great newbies to the channel - they fit right in

[@binky4185]

The three kings of retro back in the same video!! Welcome back chaps, I missed you two!

[@3um3le3ees]

@005AGIMA Having the trio back has made my day! Thank you!!!

[@005AGIMA]

:)

[@electronash]

Chris' video on his old local town was awesome. Even though I'm not familiar with the town, it still felt nostalgic, due to how the video was edited etc. ("thought bubbles", showing the game footage, etc. Insert shots of a dungeon crawler, but showing Google street view instead.)

[@005AGIMA]

Thanks mate. Glad you appreciated the efforts. :)

[@BFOOT-retro]

It's hard to be nostalgic for Winamp when I never stopped using it (albeit in WACUP form now). Although the memories of the time when it was popular are still good. Great episode, thanks.

[@proteque]

So nice to have you all together again. A great episode!

[@LuminalSpoon]

That whole innovations bit was gold 😂

[@burnrubber7547]

Yes the dream team are back 😁. Enjoyable episode guys 👍

[@oliverw.douglas285]

Yay! Getting the gang back together. :)

[@kevinmccartney4906]

Great show gents - lots of good laughs again this morning! Thanks Neil, Dave, Chris, and Duncan!

[@avflashback8913]

For me the best innovation is analogue triggers on control pads like on the Dreamcast and Xbox. It made racing games and First-Person Shooting games so much better to play. It made the control pad an all in one solution. It was no longer an absolute necessity to buy a light-gun or a racing wheel.

[@evertonshorts9376]

Have we lost the "those kids are not afraid" intro music?

[@chriscrossan8034]

Fire the editor!!

[@duncanstyles133]

What the hell! It was there, I wonder where it went.

[@ShishakliAus]

​@@duncanstyles133it's been copyright struck!!! 😭

[@marksterling8286]

I miss the intro, it’s what Saturday morning are all about

[@duncanstyles133]

No it was missing from the project file. I am re rendering the episode and if I have time I will upload it before I have to leave.

[@danielosborne3410]

Brilliant to have you all back together. The dynamic between all three of you is so spot on. Loved this episode..

[@darthlovejoy3811]

16:57 I actually thought I'd shut my cat in a cupboard at this point

[@retroheadstuff8554]

💾 Oh! It feels retro to see all three of you again 🤩

[@ballistik_coffee_boy]

Welcome back Chris! Yes I play Atari on the toilet using my flashback portable 🎉

[@roskelld]

Would love to see a website of photos of old computer shops.

[@Midcon77]

CHRIS IS BACK! I appreciate play more in 24 but it's great to have you all back!!

[@wonderdog8895]

I'm amazed you didn't get an automated copyright strike for that incredibly accurate Mungo Jerry impersonation :P

[@RetroSegaDev]

Vinyl is cool again... I can only guess they hope that MP3s will become cool again with Winamp

[@HappyCodingZX]

Dave came so close to a perfect pun there. A curator for Ultimate games would not be called 'Knight Lore', but, of course, 'Lore Knight'.

[@grammatron1]

Went to college in Tonbridge, spent nearly every lunchtime in thatr computer shop near the station, good times :)

[@005AGIMA]

Yeah can you remember the name of that one? Lee and I used to go there too. I also went to West Kent College. All I recall of that shop were what the owners looked like, the fact that it had a HUGE Elvira poster on the wall, and that I purchased both Kelly-X and Powerdrome for the Amiga there. I also used to skip off to the arcade next to Woolworths to play SFII and also Last Resort, and also to play QASAR at the old Post Office Building. Great times.

[@tomkirbygreen]

Lovely episode chaps! Sincere thank you!

[@jitmancanth6698]

My favourite innovation in gaming looking back is the speedload routine. Loading games from tape into 8-bit micros were dependent on the baud rate at which data could be loaded in. It didn't take long before coders figured out the way to change that baud rate, so data could be loaded in from tape at a greatly increased rate. When we're talking a 128k game on a Speccy, getting it into the machine in under 5 minutes made a big difference. And it was fun seeing how the loaders would change; different colours, countdown timers and the like. Some Commodore games even loaded in a mini-game to play while the main game was loading.

[@weepingscorpion8739]

WinAmp was great and all but if someone where to bring Sonique back, I would be all over that in a heartbeat. Also, it's great to see the band back together.

[@linuxjedivideo]

The WinAmp situation is way worse than you mentioned. I would recommend people don't touch it because there is proprietary code from litigious third parties in there which they do not have permission to distribute. There will likely be an inevitable lawsuit and you don't want to be wrapped up in that.

[@T8staDiM3rda]

Open source = forking hell 😂

[@nickwallette6201]

Best innovation: ROM Carts. There is so much that branches out of this simple idea to decouple the software from the hardware. If it weren't for this, we would still be playing games chosen from a selector switch. To play something new, you would need a new console. Or perhaps we would have only had software loaded into RAM from tape or floppy disks. Inevitable, sure, maybe. But, not only did it herald in the concept of a software library with zero load time, it also made it possible to extend the system's hardware. From lowly bank-switching ICs, to save RAM, to chipsets that provided new interrupt triggers and even co-processors and backward-compatible system adapters. We got a lot of mileage out of that one concept. Second choice: The D-pad. There hasn't been an input method devised yet that can completely dethrone it. Not thumbsticks (which are also great!), keyboards, mice, or handheld remotes or VR implements. Sometimes you just need to tell your character to go one of 4 or 8 directions, and you don't want to have to suction-cup your controller to a table to do it.

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

I guess everyone forgot that the ColecoVision (1982) had shoulder pad buttons on its controller + 12 more buttons.

[@MarcKloos]

What next? A mini ZX81 console! 😁

[@ShishakliAus]

56:00 - Flawless callback... nothing but net

[@chriswalsh3149]

Is “bashing the jaguar” a euphemism?

[@CantankerousDave]

Jaguar on the toilet, I know I know, it’s really serious

[@Mooheda]

Everyone has played Toilet Tetris, You can't get more retro then that. :)

[@Pixelhorizon]

I have experienced in the arcades more than one button function. But when the NES came I could do that at home and that was such a game-changer... A dedicated button to jump and another to shoot/kick added so much to the experience. Never understood why the amiga "Joystickwise" (other than the cd32) couldn´t do that...? Good games ah ah...🤣

[@ManiacalMoogle]

It's criminal how few subs you guys have

[@GarryGri]

I think the first game I really played on an Android phone was the new version of Gridrunner from Llamasoft. I've pretty much only ever played that and CrossyRoad on my phone! My 1970s Telleng Colourstars TV games (pong) type games 'console' had analogue stick (you could also get a digital stick and a slider controller) so tis type of thing goes way back!

[@Rafal-G86]

You are aware that smartphones existed before touchscreens? I remember the time I first played almost perfect port of Tomb Raider on my Symbian OS Nokia 3650. Sure the resolution was on a lower side and the frame rate rarely exceeded 20fps, but other than that it was a perfect port of the PC/Playstation game.

[@piero_75]

3's company 😁

[@envoycdx]

Innovations.. DooM - I haven't really moved past that 😏

[@whisperess]

I dont think he meant casual gaming on the top10-list, I think he meant with the Wii gaming became ”socially acceptable” and not just for us old nerds

[@ThisWeekinRetro]

That sounds plausible yes!

[@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube]

Jag CD 'got panned' 😂

[@GenerationPixel]

What! No mention of Snake for an early mobile experience 😮😂

[@TheRestartPoint]

I think the fact that almost every joypad to this day still uses ideas that first appeared on the SNES pad earns its place in innovation. (the general shape and layout, diamond arranged face buttons, shoulder buttons). N64 stick almost earns it for "bringing back" analogue to the masses in a format that was successful enough to make it a console standard again, to this day. "Framerate" on the other hand is ridiculous, and shows that this is probably a young Nintendo Game Cube / DS generation journalist who thinks everything was invented within his own game-playing experience. I'm gonna have to have a go at Dave for "hard disks" though ;) They are not a "gaming" innovation, they have been around since the '50s, another inevitable progression of hardware in general imho. In terms of storage.....CD-ROM could possibly be regarded as more related to "gaming" innovation, with its extremely early adoption as a PC Engine addon at a stage when it had barely been used anywhere yet.

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

Your fanboy is showing.

[@TheRestartPoint]

@@MorMacFey-v2g Not true. Just reacting to the examples given. The SNES pad undeniably had a huge influence on joypads which still lingers now, whether you look at it as a "fanboy" or not. The PS1 pad for instance was a vaguely disguised SNES pad with two extra shoulder buttons and wings added. Mega Drive is my most-played console of choice. Regarding the N64, I think i've only played the one i have twice since I got it five years ago lol.

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

@@TheRestartPoint I have seen all the pads going back to the 1970s and I see it as a natural evolution of design and can see one thing moving into another. I won't giver credit to the one that just got more popular to receive all the credit. In hence 'fanboy'.

[@TheRestartPoint]

@@MorMacFey-v2g So have I. 48 years old, been playing since VCS and VIC-20. People are too quick to dismiss comments with "fanboy" without context or justification, its just a boring response. I have and do own every console from the '80s onwards and like them all equally for different reasons. You on the other hand seemingly have something against the opinions of people who you judge to be "fanboys"

[@TheUAoB]

Arcade games were almost always vblank synchronous all the way back, usually to 60fps. Perhaps the argument was targeting 30fps was an innovation because it could be achieved with poorly optimized N64 games?

[@Joliie]

the big problem with these list of best of retro... American will mainly have NES etc. and the few europeans one will have Spectrum and C64

[@mrttype]

OK I’ve had a few beers, but Dave seriously, are trigger buttons analogue? Do you even game bro?

[@TheRestartPoint]

Big missed opportunity to use the Jaguar's "toilet" CD-ROM addon in the thumbnail !!

[@mrttype]

On TWIR, MoonMoon cheats on real husband with in-game husband! Also if you don’t like touchscreen, ever heard of GameVice, GameSir, or Razer Kishi Ultimate?😊

[@ScratchedWinter]

The lack of music really made that toilet joke hit at the beginning

[@POVwithRC]

Ah good. Dipped out until Rees took a powder.

[@DeanError]

Dreamcast triggers non drift analogue private screens online often 60 frames accessible price point. Failed on the market

[@radicalbyte]

Foobar 2000 is just so much better than WinAmp..

[@retroheadstuff8554]

zoomer boomer 😆

[@DavidBrant]

Ahh fuzzy warm VHS quality memories of rushing to Games World on king st in ldn after school to check what new games were out! 🥹❤…waiting for doc and the delorean!