Atheism, Science & Reason | Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins & Matt Dillahunty - London UK

[@Pangburn]

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[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

So.. Matt hates everybody having voice. Such a dumb opinion. It's good everyone now has a voice, it's bad that not everybody's reasonable, seriously philosophical or have educated guess/opinions (like Matt)

[@enhancingrice1825]

Skip to 14:48 if you aren't interested in the introduction and musical guest.

[@mikaelhauk]

Yeah, thanks! That song was cringe-y as fuck! You want to sing about magic mushrooms and their effect on consciousness, that's fine, but if you're too dumb to sing in metaphor you should just shut the hell up. At least throw some imagery in there for Christs sake... YUCK!

[@stewartmoore5158]

Doing the Lord's work.

[@CandidDate]

I see no truth in pan-species evolution. The question about how long it would take for Martian colonies to evolve and the stammering of Richard's response is proof that evolution of new species from one species is impossible. To look back in history and spin logically coherent narratives is fine, for a while. Then you see possibilities such as ETs and the building of ancient stone structures and you start to get bored with the whole BigBang-evolution fairy tale. These atheists have entertained me for a time, but I get bored easily. By the way, I'm more than bored with the Bible, in fact it makes me sick to think of all the answers in one book.

[@alangarland8571]

CandidDate Nah, that sort of propaganda doesn't work any more.

[@Spiiiderrr]

Epic comment

[@CosmicSkeptic]

At 1:04:10 you can see a head at the bottom of the screen in the foreground whilst the questioner asks about Douglas Murray. That head is, amazingly, Douglas Murray. (I was there, sat fairly near to him. He laughed when this question was asked.)

[@momonkeymoproblems4633]

I was there too, sat behind some drunken moron who distracted us for half the conversation, fell asleep and eventually had to leave. What a dick.

[@nineinchsails7702]

Hi Alex

[@34672rr]

there is a discussion with richard dawkins from the mid to late 90's, where you can actually see one of his testicles as he gets up wearing shorts. I'll try to find and post back

[@thomasluczak2868]

You should have been on stage alex. by the way I just watched your LA appearance. congratulations, you're a very gifted young man. good luck.

[@kylestyyle987]

Hey Alex, what are your impressions of Jordan Peterson? Would you ever do a video on your thoughts about him?

[@endthisnonsense7202]

Best quote of the evening; "Religion convinces you your're ill when you're not and then offers you a homeopathic cure."

[@chessandmathguy]

Pretty close to what he actually said!

[@endthisnonsense7202]

@@chessandmathguy That's what you get with quotes.

[@buckiesmalls]

@@endthisnonsense7202 LOL love it.. Reading is fundamental. Most ignorant quote of the day. steamroller82 "Pretty close to what he actually said!" You said that.. Verbatim. Should I have paraphrased?

[@chessandmathguy]

@@endthisnonsense7202 1:27:20 here's the actual quote: "Religion convinces you you're poisoned when you're not and then offers you the homeopathic remedy." Yours is very close.

[@chessandmathguy]

@@buckiesmalls your quote of me is fine. I did say that verbatim. My point was that Dutch Gerbie should have quoted Dillahunty verbatim as well.

[@magicmisteur]

"Standing up in the wind of the truth" Dawkins you're a poet

[@Farpoint87]

How does this not have more views after four years!? I have the deepest respect for all three even though I don't agree on every single point. These are still hugely important and relevant topics.

[@ryanyar]

Everyone agrees. Most people want conflict or debate which these three most likely won't offer.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

I don't like Sam as much as Richard and Matt but I certainly respect them all as intellectuals. Richard is my favourite and yes there are topics I would disagree with each of these men I have no doubt but I commend them for their logic and reasoning and I like listening to them.

[@davidstaffell]

Richard is the only one who actually makes sense. The other two get a bit philosophical and introspective sometimes.

[@user-es7jj7pt9w]

I miss The Hitch.

[@GODHATESADOPTION]

Joris V praise Jesus he is in hell, his brother converted though, much smarter than cris

[@user-es7jj7pt9w]

Separation of planet and religion! I know you have doubts in your puny tiny brain. You're just here to hate.

[@Mir1189]

Dont miss Hitch. Work on and expand his thoughts.

[@VladSWG]

Xtians delight as they imagine the Hitch being tortured in the sickest ways imaginable at the mandate of their nasty invisible zombie overlord. Xtian values anyone?

[@Mir1189]

Well thats a bit exxageration. According to John Paul II the hell is to be "state of mind post mortem, completely without god". Heaven is described as an opposite state - "to be with god". However whether its a desirable or undesirable state for your post-mortem mind (if is that even a thing) is VERY subjective. New hell is no longer as bad as it used to be... According to head of the catholic church...

[@klumaverik]

I am a huge fan of these three. I am just so inspired to " spread the good news."

[@cincinnatislider]

I’m grateful I live in a time where these ideas are available to most people.

[@kevinholly5517]

Just love Matt Dillahunty! He really is one exceptionally erudite articulate and intelligent bloke!

[@matthewclark1006]

Really. You picked him. ? Lol

[@RafaelGarcia-jb3me]

Lmao

[@markrichardson2512]

Isn't it crazy how Matt started out as some ex Christian calling into a community access TV show, and ended up hosting a discussion in front of thousands of people with a neuroscientist and Evolutionary biologist

[@pristika9007]

Same! I follow Matt since 2006 when he started in the AE. He was the most influential atheist for me and from taking calls from strangers to this... Well deserved though

[@versioncity1]

not really. jesus started out as a carpenter and changed a good part of world culture.

[@versioncity1]

@Mike fu well we don't know that.... personally I think he did, historically, but I think he'd pretty shocked at what happened after he died if he could actually come back

[@tonyfendex2558]

@Mike fu You made me laugh. Brilliant comment!!!!

[@chadmichael8021]

I think the same thing. I used to think that Matt and I would relate more if we ever met because he doesn't have the celebrity status but he's basically a top-dog now. I wonder if I would be shy around him. Would love to have a J with all three of them, though... and Hitch. I'd have smoked with you, Hitch.

[@seanjones2456]

The young man who asked the last question was a gem. His parents should be very proud.

[@chessandmathguy]

Just finished watching this 2-hour video in one sitting. Thanks for posting this!

[@DoubleTrouble-li5wi]

"I accept the Universe." What a beautiful and poignant way to express the acceptance of reality.

[@Pranav-rp8wi]

3 great men. What a time to be alive.

[@Sheeshening]

The year is 2100, humans in search for knowledge have been mostly replaced by ai. But then, suddenly, the fkn Pangburn philosophy channel finally uploads the Harris v Peterson debates. It will be a happy ending after all

[@jherb7159]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJbckHawfrSZj6c - Heres your happy ending.

[@Dmpurcell90]

Peterson and Harris are both going to release them on their respective channels

[@34672rr]

can I get a handjob with my happy ending?

[@toshiyaar7885]

Peterson is way out of his league. He's not that bright.

[@34672rr]

Natasha Witekauha I beg to differ. He is very intelligent, very charismatic, and quite convincing. The problem he has nothing of substance to say, and his ego is out of control. Reminds me of Osho, the cult leader, and perhaps the most charismatic preacher ever. But it is dangerous to feed the ego of a guy like that, especially when petersen is loading up on a gallon of SSRI drugs a day. His first recommendation as a clinical psychologist, for depression is antidepressants, he's said it multiple times. Not diet, not exercise, not lifestyle, not weed, but pharmaceuticals. Those drugs those only feed the ego even more, when you are happy no matter what, you don't have the same self check that the brains natural reward/punishment centers give you. In combination with his exploding popularity, soon he will be opening a compound for only his wealthiest donors to spread the message of alternative truth.

[@atheistmommy3710]

3 favorite guys of mine! Good to see Richard Dawkins in good shape, I want him to stay around for long time. Matt Dillahunty is getting so well known, I am surprised he was never guest on Bill Maher.

[@MrSidney9]

Because he doesn't talk politics and haven't produced a book

[@lastoinktonight2723]

Also he doesn't seem to like Bill. I heard them make a statement to the effect of "not every Atheist is rational and a good example for that is bill Maher"

[@kevinholly5517]

I agree love Matt, hope he starts getting loads of more followers in the future! I love his outlook on life. And he’s so articulate!

[@charlescole645]

Their politics are different, we can see here that Matt is more on the left as the other two, as he says "centrists=old left", and Maher calls himself "old school liberal", Heck, Matt even calls himself a proud SJW . Sam and Dawkins are more in line with Bill Maher, Matt isn't.

[@jamesgillam6478]

'The best cure for religion would be to read the holy books' lol this is exactly how I lost my faith. One day I decided I should probably have read what I so strongly claimed to believe so I read the bible, cover to cover, after I was done I wasn't a Christian anymore haha and the journey from Theist to Deist to Agnostic to Athiest didn't take more than maybe a year after that.

[@jasonstrange1490]

What did you have faith in? It wasn't the God of the Bible. Sounds like you had faith in faith, and now you still have faith just redirected and misplaced. Even there it ends in NOWHERE...so whats the point? If life just ends in death then your whole statement is meaningless, and so is life. So why comment at all?

[@alperenefiloglu7876]

so basically you fell into composition/division fallacy. just because you are convinced that one religion is not true, does that apply to all religions? this is malicious reasoning.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Cool

[@anandsuralkar2947]

@@alperenefiloglu7876 doesn't but the nutral condition always should be no religion is true then we will talk about which one is true

[@alperenefiloglu7876]

@@anandsuralkar2947 ok. No problem with that. But one cant conclude that any religion is not true from that neutral position. Then,if one's view is based on this position, one cant have a journey from theist to deist to agnostic to atheist, since he cant reject any religion. That is all i am saying.

[@MyCarllee]

1:16:12 Actually Tibetans chop up their dead loved ones and feed them to vultures. They call it burial by sky. It's a way to show their love and respect by setting their loved ones free and back into the cycle of life in nature. So our opinion on treating dead bodies is definitely also shaped by culture.

[@rbabel76]

After you tried to dig a grave in frozen earth you find out it is easier to believe in burial by sky :-)

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

I rather like the idea of climbing to the top of a snow covered Rocky mountain peak, lay out a bed of dynamite and then, just as the sun slips from the western sky, as a last act of will, press the button and instantaneously transform my body into a nutrient rich cloud for the benefit of the surrounding pines. Of course, with Kant's categorical imperative in mind, it's not the kind of exit one could wish to become popular.

[@allseeingeyeofgod4777]

Ah Yes, the Tibetan Buddhist... Will cut up a dead human, BUT the local Butcher is a Social Outcaste, because he cuts up animals for slaughter, for food for the townsfolk... Eats meat, Yes. But calls his butcher, a bad man.. I think I will stay with the Goat-Herders' Judaeo-Christian Creed... : )

[@animistchannel2983]

"Hello?... there's one way to find out if I sound like a mouse on helium... okay" That's exactly the kind of self-examination and humor that does, indeed, give me hope for the future.

[@JuicyLeek]

animist channel when I was his age, I didn’t know what helium was :(

[@kimsland999]

Who thought that kid at the end was a young Richard Dawkins in the making? Lets face it, that kid's intelligence is higher than most of us viewers. :)

[@bachiano1]

The Kid at the end was the best thing in those two hours. Gives me hope for the future of man kind 🚀

[@JuicyLeek]

bachiano omg yes, was looking through the comments to see if anyone else felt the same way!

[@Domzdream]

Man, this was great!! I love these discussions. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[@cadecampbell5059]

Dawkins has come up in my sociology class on religion. I actually wish we could talk about Hitchens, Harris, and Dennett a little more

[@proudatheist2042]

Did you feel comfortable bringing up the names and work of Dr. Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and Dr. Dennet? Was your class so pressed for time while going into a deep discussion with Dr. Dawkins work that there was no time to discuss the other thinkers mentioned?

[@jackwhitbread4583]

Hitchens was remarkable for sure but I'm still on the fence about Harris, he's very intellectual for sure there's no debating that but there's just something that makes him not quite so likeable as Dawkins and Dillahunty for me, I even prefer Aron Ra. Maybe I haven't been as exposed to Sam Harris I don't know. I just haven't warmed upto him as much as other people in the field.

[@jonjosenna5581]

Glad to see Dawkins in good health, but I do think he has lost something to the old Dawkins who was sharp and incisive. I don’t know if its just his age or his illness. Btw, I’m a fan of all three guys.

[@haroldthehammer4496]

I think he is aging. He is still sharp for his age when you compare him to the average 77 year old man - especially after having a seizure.

[@mraBJJ33]

@@haroldthehammer4496 was it a seizure? I had heard that it was a mild stroke or something? Not sure where I heard it so it's likely to be wrong

[@FutureAbe]

Jonjo Senna He’s definitely not the same orator he was in 2007. Still amazing for 77 years of age

[@Larrypint]

What kind of illness he has?

[@jonjosenna5581]

It was a stroke. I think it has definitely affected him, at least a little.

[@hewasfuzzywuzzy3583]

The talk is still good. The well laid out facts in the recording of this event are still true, and still hold their value no matter how late these issues and insights were expressed, made clear, and made available to so many in need of it. Thank you for sharing your content.

[@frankwhelan1715]

Yes this kind of topic doesn't go out of date.

[@sandykay1593]

3 brilliant minds in one place👍💯💯👏

[@Steve-Cross]

How refreshing to listen to three great minds discussing rational topics, instead of idiots preaching absurd ideals. Thanks for posting this. Better late than never.... :-)

[@jonjosenna5581]

Loved matts cowboy boots, a wee bit out of place in London. But definitely cool.

[@Kaldur95]

You can take the Texan out of Texas, but you can't take the Texas out of the Texan.

[@brettweerasooriya3776]

I think that was the point.

[@igotcookies]

He lives in Texas. That’s what they wear. I don’t see the big deal.

[@HiThere-zh6sf]

I find Matt amazing. He talks like such a normal guy but he's so intelligent and casual and confident in his intellect

[@jasondaniels640]

Really underrated and thoroughly enjoyed in the last year, let alone how he helped me to ground my thinking in reason..

[@majarimennamazerinth5753]

Ah... Matt the perpetually frustrated, Richard the hotheaded and Sam the intellectual gentleman. We love you all!

[@matthewclark1006]

Both Richard and Sam are eloquent poets... Matt is a junkyard dog with parasites

[@ŚmiemWątpić]

Thank you! :)

[@atheistmommy3710]

Jak smiesz watpic???😆

[@themaster408]

This would have been so cool to see in person. I think the greatest takeaway is Dawkins talk about trusting authority and knowing when to trust it.

[@onemadhungrynomad]

why would you wait this long to upload this? what is wrong with this channel?

[@eliasmolin4395]

Because it behind a paywall for a time first, what is wrong with you that dont pay for things you want to watch?

[@onemadhungrynomad]

no it wasnt... this is just now being released.

[@Dansean84]

@@onemadhungrynomad I think Elias is right, most of pangburn philosophy stuff is members only for a while through their site, then after a time they upload to KZbin.

[@onemadhungrynomad]

this was not on the patreon page, not that i can remember anyway. the quality is total garbage too. he should be ashamed how bad he is at his job.

[@onemadhungrynomad]

as a patreon, no, fuck you. the quality is shit and everything he releases takes fucking forever, pangburn is a worthless talentless leach.

[@tigertriumph1453]

I do not understand the vitriol against Pangburn? I am just glad I get to see and listen to videos like this thanks to Pangburn.

[@mortarbackmusic8511]

This conversation needs a part 2. There where some very interesting points being made like the question about incest and the other about Richard's vegetarianism with the link to synthetic meat. I felt that these needed further discussion and speculation.

[@davidnash972]

Great minds. Great video

[@kanescrimes4848]

Actually trying to make sense of the doctrine I was being told to live my life by allowed me to see the hypocrisies in said doctrine, addressing said hypocrisies caused my elders to consider me an exhausting variant in the church/Sunday school, and treat me as less simply because I was pointing out how nonsensical their answers to my questions were. This made me more curious than I already was, and that curiosity lead me to explore Atheism, Atheism taught me the importance of critical thinking, critical thinking lead me to value truth and reason more than subjective feelings, valuing truth and reason more than feelings caused me to follow evidence to wherever it lead instead of where I would like it to lead, and following said evidence lead me to a genuine understanding of the world happening around us, and that genuine understanding taught me how much I'we really don't know, as well taught me how important it is to be able to accept what we don't know as something to be learned. I wonder id theism has ever lead anyone to a unwanted truth that amounts to a better working knowledge on the world happening right now. I only took the time/effort to type that for self serving relief,(relief rant) and I know that there's nothing profound being said. Therapeutic.

[@state924]

Therapeutic, yes. I like how well thought out and honest it was. Thank you for sharing. 💜

[@qrious5107]

I would like to live in a world where knowledge and ideas are within everyone's reach. At least a curiosity away.

[@ramoner.clarke2578]

Matt casually saying "memes" right there must have made Dawkins feel good to know he coined the term and it's used like any other household word

[@Antis14CZ]

Great discussion, thanks for the upload. One point near the end has especially pleased me: 1:36:30 THANK YOU Sam Harris for bringing up cultured meat into the discussion on human diet! This is something I always wonder why people don't bring up more often in discussions about this topic. Is it still largely unknown?

[@oldlogin3383]

So atheist rock is as cringeful as Christian Rock. Goddit.

[@oldlogin3383]

It's 9:41 - he's still f*cking going! Kill it! Kill it now!

[@mrloop1530]

However Chris Rock is an entirely different matter

[@JWStreeter]

Some rock is still good but it's super rare. Black Keys and Royal Blood are great.

[@oleaginous1511]

of course!

[@oldtimer5111]

Thomas Kirk Larsen as is Blackpool rock.

[@philosophyfrog2653]

This was a really good debate, thanks for uploading.

[@ZacksMetalRiffs]

This feels so wrong to watch without paying 10 bucks. How can I pay you so I can feel OK watching this dated material?

[@dantevandeva7493]

/cynicism

[@mannyogu8124]

They have a Patreon page

[@ennuidefiance5796]

@@mannyogu8124 /whoosh

[@ennuidefiance5796]

@@fullup91 trololololololol Fuck you

[@st3ppenwolf]

petreon!

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Thre great personality on one stage what a time to be alive

[@ennuidefiance5796]

This was almost a full year ago, could I have something relevant please? ?

[@bjornyesterday2562]

Lil Phag they are looking for something of relevance

[@ennuidefiance5796]

@Lil Phag is that you travis? Your pr has improved.

[@mikeisapro]

I would argue that if you haven't seen or heard it before, it can still be relevant, depending on the substance of the material. Thus great art, such as masterworks of black and white, silent films can still be relevant to people interested in film, especially if they haven't seen the film before and gleaned meaning from it. However, in the case of Sam Harris with Jordan Peterson in Vancouver, it's different. Many of us were anxiously waiting to see that for so long that someone leaked a terrible audio version of it, so we were finally able to hear it, but not to see it, and we had to hear it in bad quality audio at that. So by the time the video with clean audio was released, we had already heard the talk, and we heard a very poor version of it at that. In that case, the video had become irrelevant, because we had already heard it.

[@MattCrawley_Music]

Lol it’s still as relevant as ever

[@uphillbill]

A great piece of entertainment and maybe some learning. These guys are great.

[@whigmin5436]

Yes. Back in less contentious times among the three.

[@nudsh]

It is an unfortunate reality of life, but Dawkins' age is really starting to show. Glad to see Harris and Dillahunty picking up the torch and walking on.

[@arthurtillman2700]

Love you Matt, ❤️ Please keep speaking, your knowledge gives me power

[@chrisbecke2793]

The idea that consciousness is divisible is the most thought provoking thing i've heard in a while.

[@joshbarrow6246]

Can someone please educate me or point me towards the answer of this question... what are the primary and fundamental principles of a scientific theory? What principles guide and create a solid and foundational theory?

[@vernonkroark]

The UnHoly Trinity. Dawkins the Father, Harris the Son, Dillahunty the UnHoly Spirit.

[@xxsageonexx8910]

Seth Andrews, Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty

[@ginagamba]

Ditto what @XxSage OneXx said. But Harris and Dawkins are two of of the Four Horsemen.

[@munazzaa]

Richard Dawkins is getting older! Love them all

[@gabrielekennedy7587]

The stroke has aged him but I grateful he is still with us. Sam is greying too. I miss Hitchens

[@mpcc2022]

Dawkins is almost 80.

[@jmmacb03]

He had a stroke.

[@rhydyard]

But sadly.. no wiser

[@TheZombieSlayerWave]

is that a young Alex J o'connor aka cosmicskeptic at the bottom left at 00:06

[@Rohit-mi8ug]

and Hugh Laurie three seats to his left too,

[@anshuuu9708]

Yes that a cosmic skeptic

[@thomasluczak2868]

That was excellent. 2 very fast hours.

[@patrickcompton1483]

the disgust reaction comes from the insular cortex, and it subconsciously influences our political and social decisions, Robert Sapolsky has some interesting research on this.

[@chikkipop]

41:43 Sam is right for not minding being called an idiot! We all should welcome challenges to our views on the chance, however slim we may think it, that we can improve them or change our minds altogether.

[@flower5185]

did my mom book the opening musician very cutting edge and intellectual

[@34672rr]

is your dad gay? Would explain a lot. Actually, no it wouldn't. Sorry, not sure why I said that.

[@flower5185]

not really he only fucks other straight dads

[@34672rr]

It's only gay if you are on top. otherwise it's just a favor.

[@davidoshea5598]

@@34672rr it only gay if you give them a reacharound.

[@andrewmatthias582]

Those are great chairs. Does anyone know what those chairs are called or where I could find them> Thanks in advance.

[@AlvinYakitori060]

1:27:27 "Religion convinces you that you are poisoned when you are not and then offers you the homeopathic remedy" Matt is too smart for this world

[@Somegirl51]

Brilliant guys.

[@louisehaley5105]

It’s interesting how Richard Dawkins has mentioned animal rights several times in his interviews, (check out his illuminating Big Think podcast “Yes Animals Feel Pain Too”), where he discusses the morality of factory farming. However, I’ve yet to see him tackle the issue of Vivisection.

[@peterp1562]

Wow my 3 favorite speakers!

[@hankstalica1922]

How Matt Dilahunty's life has changed so much since he just decided to call into a public access TV show. Jesus Christ. Unbelievable.

[@807D14M0ND5]

Jesus Christ? Unbelievable.

[@romant142]

Hank Stalica for sure🙂

[@vandpiben]

Can u elaborate, eli5 pls?

[@hankstalica1922]

My understanding is he was in the middle of deconversion and happened to come across the atheist experience tv show and called in, like every other caller. His first interaction with AXP was as a normal theist caller. Yadda-yadda-yadda he's on the stage with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

[@boliussa]

+Hank downvote for being totally unclear what you were blabbering about. You should edit your second comment into your first one. Nothing has changed since this video, which is how some may interpret your dumb comment.

[@haydenhowell1647]

What point in the full discussion is this said?

[@ellemmeno3762]

Love Dawkins' tie. :)

[@SummumBonum.]

It's in conversation like this that the atheists can find meaning and encouragement. To paraphrase the Hitch, "Philosophy, literature, science... You will find a lot more meaning and awe in these than any revelation from a burning bush".

[@Domzdream]

Man how the hell did I miss this!?

[@edgarpayne8673]

On Dillahuntys' point on addressing the mechanism we humans use to form beliefs, A Manual for Creating Atheist by Dr. Peter Boghossian addresses the essential issue of epistemology. Did we form our beliefs by following the directions of the evidence?

[@SocksWithSandals]

Good to see Richard Dawkins back in fine fettle.

[@Scully331]

What is the ACA the little boy is referencing?

[@cedb3360]

LOL 0:04 Alex O'Connor from Cosmic Skeptic YT channel in the down left corner

[@manpritsingh2183]

Holy shit, you got some good eyes.

[@vaprex]

'CSC Unit' is a Google Face Recognition AI application bot.

[@CosmicSkeptic]

Sure looks like it

[@TheZombieSlayerWave]

fucking hell I just commented the same thing and he's actually here the absolute MADLAD

[@squarerootof2]

CosmicSkeptic Nooo..you're a clone! Edit: They spot you in the audience but not in the comment section. lmao...

[@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1]

Great talk.......More please.

[@sharkamov]

*That young little fellow at the end of the Q&A almost broke my heart . . . . (He's more or less the exact same age as my youngest son (one of two), and I just can't imagine how they both are being brainwashed by their ''devout'' mother (my ex.) . . . .* 😔 *At the end of the day, we’re all per se faced with the mystery of the overarching existential questions:* *_Where_** did it all start…? - Is there an **_end_** of the universe? . . . . And so on . . . .* *Still, we can all live good, fulfilling lives **_despite_** this profound fact - except when religion interferes . . .*

[@studio-flash]

When is Matt and others coming to the UK..and not just London?

[@MrMZaccone]

Clarke's third law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. This is why it's is virtually impossible to posit a scenario that would demonstrate a god.

[@TiredOx7536]

Are there timestamps for all the questions asked here?

[@coffeecuppepsi]

I love Dawkins, he seems mild but has 0 tolerance on some issues and can be very blunt.

[@adicleme5]

Country

[@timkirby5179]

1:39:00 . I am often reminded of Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinniess - Two people with diametrically apposed views came together to drive forward peace and friendship in Northam Ireland.

[@richardmorley8309]

The truth is refreshing

[@patrickkirby7612]

When dealing with personal beliefs, it is definitely a gradual process that doesn't happen by facts and logic alone. It seems to require being driven by a personal emotion. I personally had a lot of resent and was so happy to convince myself over weeks and weeks of learning the history of religion and vids from Hitchens popped up first. Like it has to be the person's idea LoL but KZbin convinced me. The internet is full of KNOWLEDGE. KNOWLEDGE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO.LEARN IS THE VERY MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A HUMAN LIFE.

Wow, approx. 11 months after the event you have finally decided to upload the material. So, it's not about spreading the word of science and rationality, it's about disciplining people to attend the events live. Anyhow, I'm not here to judge, we all try to earn some bucks for a living, this way or another.

[@34672rr]

been on youtube since 9 months and 60 days ago. Where you been?

Have you forgotten to take your pills lately?

[@34672rr]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnrEm2p8g62hoLM Booyah

[@morpheas768]

You mean its about making money.

[@AZGWA]

I love these guys and enjoy the videos and discussions. I do, however, wonder where the women are? Are there no women in this community that can be included in the dialogue? Or what about voices from outside the European/American spectrum. Surely there are some atheists that are not Anglo white men that are notable enough to be included. Am I just missing something?

[@TheRealmetal666]

Wow i thought the jp vs sh was a long time before you released it..........maybe you should try a different profession.......

[@34672rr]

Fuck we are a bunch of entitled little bitches. Whatever happened to the strong, silent type? Is this what they fought the nazis for?

[@ferdinandbardamu3217]

What's more pathetic: going on KZbin to call others pathetic or simply wanting videos to be released quicker?

[@TheRealmetal666]

@@ferdinandbardamu3217 would you call, releasing a video 3 months after , hiding it behind a paywall, putting out a video talking about the event he hadnt released, then using the excuse of editing and paying for the venue, as pathetic? I mean it seemed like he spent alot of time modeling in front of the camera instead of editing thats pretty parthetic especially when it was finally realeased it had bad audio ........as for the venue i think saying it was to pay for it three months after is a pretty pathetic axcuse.....if money was what he was looking for releasing it for free and asking for donations woulda payed for it times ten and got him subscribers galore you know listening to the people Is pointing these things out pathetic? Maybe? Im betting almost everything everyone does is somewhat pathetic.....so

[@ferdinandbardamu3217]

Stoned, I was agreeing with you and agree with you completely. I was directing my comment towards wiremessiah, who clearly thinks he's some sort of badass for calling others pathetic.

[@marcoaloisheredia4324]

Love these three. Feel like they have not read about politics enough though. Great discussion!

[@Jhonnycomelate]

Those massive "Don Corleone" chairs though

[@Favar1]

Anyone has the title of the song from the beginning.

[@gretzkey66]

My piece to add to all the Pangburn hate: I hate Pangburn. I wont watch this merely because it's on Pangburn KZbin. I'll wait another year for it to be on a different channel.

[@yellowpetelol6417]

I'm out of the loop, what's up with Pangburn?

[@MrRoundthetwist]

Drew Isaacson I have no fucks to give about PB why do you?

[@gretzkey66]

@@MrRoundthetwist I'm still butthurt about how he's gone about his channel. I had high hopes, only for them to be blocked by a paywall and a stream of terrible PR

[@morpheas768]

Didnt you just give them a view by clicking on this video to comment here?

[@gretzkey66]

@@morpheas768 touche

[@durzio9630]

I wish someone had asked about the parallel between the concepts of "hating the ideology and not the individual" versus "hating the sinner and not the sin". One individual got very close, calling it a cop-out. But I wish they had expanded on that a bit.

[@Flashyfinancier]

I never thought Sam Harris and Mr.Dawkins were hanging out with the monopoly man

[@hdde8888]

The Universe Is a Mystery 10:31 Moral Dumbfounding 1:15:08 The Difference between Ridiculing Individuals and Ridiculing Ideas 1:43:04 Closing Statement 1:53:57

[@Will-yr3zt]

They gave a very poor answer to the man asking "what is morally wrong about two sisters marrying each other; requesting an objection to incest (not homosexuality)"? Dawkins and Harris both correctly stated that from a consequentialist/utlitarian perspective there is nothing morally wrong with it, however under a deontological perspective (Kantian ethics) it fails. Behaviour is considered acceptable/unacceptable under the condition of it's consideration as a universal norm. For example: if everyone were allowed to steal, the concept of property and ownership would break down, therefore stealing is not permissible; if everyone were allowed to lie, the concept of truth and communication would break down, therefore lying is not permissable. Under this same theory incest also fails. If incest were allowed, genetic defects would become normal and social cohesion would be significantly damaged (if not broken). Therefore incest is not permissable. The disgust one feels for incest evolved for a reason. It's the same as a fear of harmless bugs. It might not appear (or be) dangerous on a small scale but on mass it can have significant problems for humanities survival.

[@Hashishin13]

So when we can edit our genes your argument falls apart. Its also a very poor argument in general which equally applies to any marriage that doesn't produce children, or at least try.

[@BiznizTrademark]

Appealing to greater or lesser degrees of "social cohesion" seems to be consequentialist rather than Kantian (unless "Kantianism" by itself must rely on some form of consequentialism being smuggled in through the back door).

[@Will-yr3zt]

613 + Bizniz I'll reply to both of you at once that I was merely presenting THE argument for deontological morality, not MY argument for deontological morality. I agree with both of you that is has flaws/limits. All ethical theories have limitations, that's why there are several of them to consider in the first place. To quickly clarify it's comparison to consequentialist, it has features but ultimately doesn't use it in the same way. A clear example is the one in question: From a consequentialist world view there is nothing wrong with a brother a sister marrying (let's say they don't have children). From a deontological world view a brother and sister marrying is not permissible as incest is immoral (the argument for which was mentioned previously). So the deontological world view borrows consequentialist principles to establish which behaviours are moral/immoral. A consequentialist does not attach moral/immoral judgements on the behaviour but rather considers the likely outcomes the behaviour will produce.

[@hanshansson2874]

But even assuming one accepts the deontological position as you describe it (I think my professors would take issue with how you present Kantian ethics, they much prefer to keep any reference to concequences out of the picture), the question stands unanswered. Offspring does not necessarily follow from marriage. If incestuous pregnancies were allowed, then yes, but not if just incestuous marriages were allowed. You would have to argue that the concept of marriage would desintigrate due to the permittance incesuous marriages for the argument to work. Given the limited success anti-gay movements have had with similar arguments to hinder homosexual marriages, I doubt it is actually true that such a deterioration would occur. Moreover, afaik (I could be wrong on this one because it's based on vague memories of statistics that I haven't studied myself in detail) it is the case that pregnancies in women over a certain age (I think it was 40-50) carry a higher risk of genetic defects than pregnancies of siblings at a younger age. The deontological argument would then require that we set up some form of age restriction or mandatory check-up for pregnancies, which I think further weakens the deontological position here.

[@Will-yr3zt]

They absolutely would take issue with my presentation, as I am massively over simplifying it for the sake of making the point clear. While what I have said is definitely part of the theory: “Act only on that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.” - Immanuel Kant though I haven't mentioned virtues, duties, or principles that also feature heavily in the deontological world view. 100% agree with the second part.

[@06ridyn]

Does anyone know the kind of shoes sam Harris is wearing. I think Doc Martin's but not sure what type. I want them lol

[@c99kfm]

What's up with those camera pans and zooms? It's quite distracting.

[@perrin6]

I've had the same thoughts about if I saw a miracle: If I saw an amputees limb growing back before my eyes I would 1) Think it was an hallucination 2) If not that then it's alien technology.

[@seonf4370]

Why do companies play biting clips like that before events no one cares about?!

[@mikeisapro]

"The authoritarian left isn't going to give us a solution to the problem of populism or the authoritarian right." Exactly.

[@nebulousy]

Where's Michael Shermer?

[@godbyelebenohnegott]

I really liked the first part of the video, where they discussed topics among each other. When it came to the Q&A part, though, I felt a lot of the questions weren't answered or even correctly addressed. Among them was the incest question. Granted, siblings having a relationship with no children may not be a huge problem, but what about parent-child or uncle/aunt-niece/nephew marriages? They seem abusive on several levels, not just regarding offspring. The other question was about criticizing ideas vs. criticizing people. As the questioner pointed out, the distinction is correct but it is also not entirely wrong if people take criticism of the ideas personally because people's actions and convictions are in some way influenced by those ideas. It's not that the ideas float around isolated and are completely separated from actions. People being able to change later on doesn't address the issue because while they are still advocates of those ideas, their actions are influenced by them, even if it doesn't always mean to the fullest extent. About finding meaning in life as an atheist, I'm with Sam Harris here. I guess helping move the community and humanity forward to provide a better place for future generations could be such a reason where you find meaning in life without indulging in fairy tales.

[@rstevewarmorycom]

Blossoming Reason What's the problem with non-coercive sex among generations who consent if breeding is contracepted? Why do you fantasize that sex is somehow "abusive" when consensual? You are the kind who fancies that all sex is somehow abusive and requires prior sanction by law or religion.

[@cmvamerica9011]

Problem is that some people want to do violence if someone says something they don’t like.