Atheist Confronts Cliffe Knechtle | Are Cliffe's Views Disparaging?

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An atheist challenges Cliffe Knechtle on the nature of faith, communication, and the impact of actions versus words in demonstrating devotion to Christ. As the debate unfolds, the atheist argues that meaningful actions-like caring for family and serving the community-speak louder than proclamations of faith.
He questions whether public speaking is truly the best way to do good, sharing personal experiences as a husband and father to highlight the significance of actions in raising moral children and positively influencing the community. Knechtle responds by asserting the importance of using rational minds to comprehend reality and the role of verbal communication in shaping beliefs.

[@jackjohnson9230]

The kindest word God Has for Atheists is “Fool.” Psalm 14:1, 53:1

[@johncomments2730]

“We believe in what we see, what we look up on the internet…” speaks volumes.

[@lexluth89]

So he’s willing to believe that a rock rolling in a wave could possibly write “John loves Mary” in the sand by pure chance or luck, but somehow he can’t accept the possibility of a creator like God to exist? Dude, you can’t be that serious 😂

[@mirandahotspring4019]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@spaceboy2834]

Exactly

[@brianmendenhall8387]

That's atheism for ya ....... arguments but no answer's

[@ThatRipOff]

It’s the same as them not having “blind faith” in a higher power creating the universe… But nothing creating everything, randomly, just because, for no reason, totally takes no faith at all lol.

[@sam-y8t]

Don't forget, even if a rock does write "John loves Mary" in the sand, it means nothing if there isn't someone that can recognize the pattern there to see it. If we're so close-minded to the possibilities of life, we will never know the truth of God's creation.

[@skippy675]

That's right. It's all chronicled for us in the Qur'an, yet we still refuse to submit to God's will for us.

[@steved3137]

I wanted to see the rest of that conversation at the end. lol

[@yvesgirard6760]

I think this conversation was finish

[@sterlingphoenix71]

Cliff crushed this one. Outstanding

[@calmnrelaxed]

If you come at the Cliffe, you're likely to fall

[@mccoy922]

The atheist guy trying so hard to disprove the fact and he can’t accept the truth and reality of life.

[@joashcrawford5669]

Cliffe said a whole bunch of nothing. A lot of claims and no evidence. Just "I strongly believe this to be true therefore it is true". That aint evidence. The student just called him out on all his bs and didnt buy into his sweet words and he got upset. As cliffe always does whenever you challenge his religion. As with every brainwashed christian

[@mirandahotspring4019]

The truth and reality is there are no gods!

[@AtamMardes]

♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Religion is founded on the fear & gullibility of many & the cleverness of few." ♦"Only fools revere the supernatural bs just bc a book claims it's the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious are cocksure & the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"The religious believe by the millions what only lunatics may believe on their own." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free the religious from the chains they revere." ♦“To have faith is precisely to lose one's mind so as to win God.” ♦"The death of dogma is the birth of morality." ♦"Religion fools many bc the brain is susceptible to hallucination & gullibility."

[@jaychino1621]

That's why he has to laugh.

[@OscaReyLich]

@@mirandahotspring4019 correct there's only one God

[@napalm6919]

Mr. Knechtle 1 - Intellectual Hypocrite 0

[@paulthompson9668]

He didn't answer the question, right from the start.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@paulthompson9668 I've never seen goalposts move so fast!

[@gingercake0907]

Yes he did he said no question about it and he listed the good he was doing besides speaking on campuses, loving his wife, and his children, giving to the hungry and the poor etc. You need to replay his answer because with serving Christ you don’t get locked into doing just one thing. He also pastors a church so he does public speaking all of the time. The young man was trying to get Cliff to shut up but in a round about non direct way by couching it as a question. The young man was really telling Cliff “ you aren’t doing any good coming here on this campus talking about Jesus. No one is listening.” That’s what he was really saying but tried to cover it up by making it a question. The young man wanted Cliff to be on the defensive, Cliff’s too smart for that.

[@gingercake0907]

@@paulthompson9668 He answered the question. Read my comment above. The young man wanted Cliff to know he didn’t think Cliff was any good coming on campus but Cliff flipped it. Now you may think Cliff is wasting his time but you aren’t the judge of what is in people’s hearts. Also Cliff won’t lose his reward from God if no one listens.

[@paulthompson9668]

@@gingercake0907 Wrong, listen to the question that the student actually asked, not the one the Cliff internally rephrased.

[@diannaporzio6328]

The boy is mad cliff uses a analogy but he first goes and uses an analogy of structured governments to use against god

[@ejoep]

I pity to these people who doesnt feel the presence of God.

[@D-rockstone]

How can you resist that hard to believe, not even believe but to say you believe that a rock could write John loves Mary in the sand from waves.. very misguided I hope someone can reach him

[@Deflection]

Hes at the point of wanting to believe anything and everything, to see that God doesnt exist. This kid needs prayers to move pass that part of his life and see the truth.

[@ijansk]

Your prayers do nothing. Bring scientific scientific evidence that any god exists.

[@mathewjr]

Intellectually Hypothetical very true.

[@changes8415]

Wow totally nailed it

[@albertdepeal9658]

So he's saying the faith atheists have in their no creator belief is so weak it cannot tolerate questioning.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Yeah, it's called projection.

[@eliperez983]

Yes bc the thinking of it makes no sense. It’s irrational. Did you hear this guy? He said he’d believe “John loves Mary” in the sand out of pure randomness or “statistic anomaly”. Seriously? So that’s what Cliffe is saying when he says “atheist are gullible”. The whole point is that we don’t get life from non life. If so please please please look up the crazy percentage that we’d end up with if human beings came by chance. Statistically impossible. When the Big Bang happened, if it produced the billionth of percentage off of hydrogen we wouldn’t exist. That is fine tuning. Fine tuning from a creator. Otherwise we’re just pure miracles and the atheist that believes in miracles literally lives in the life of a hypocrite. Again..irrational.

[@Si_Mondo]

​@@mirandahotspring4019Except we theists *can* tolerate being questioned. Just because you don't like the answers, doesn't mean we're the intolerant ones. Now justify logic.

[@paulsmith3820]

As Anslem, who was an 11th century Archbishop of Canterbury, put it; I believe, therefore I understand. That is different from saying I understand, therefore I believe. Religion is based on faith, which is believing in phenomena for which there is no independently verifiable empirical evidence. Arguing for or against religious beliefs, irrespective of their character, is an exercise in futility.

[@danielwilkins7509]

It would be SO nice, if a preacher, of another faith, would come up, and back this preacher, if he agrees with what Cliffe is preaching about:-). Keep the faith, Cliffe. These college kids put EVERYBODY, between rocks and hard-places. Please don't take it, personally, if you don't have to.

[@DaveHarris-lr5my]

College student knows so little about civics it's scary. We don't have a democracy we have a republic.

[@peacebewithyou7480]

We don't care about your feelings about Cliffe's declaration of truth.

[@faisalhilaby]

this kid really does NOT want God to exist that he's willing to believe in a magic cursive writing rock to substantiate his non-belief

[@tomislavandric6476]

This guy was incredible .. Rock can write on sand. Cringe

[@davidprice9792]

Oh you hurt his feelings.

[@michaelsandoval892]

The kids being fulish

[@arunnair7584]

This guy uses the faith too broadly. There are different kinds of faiths Faith in humanity, faith in science, faith in love, faith in oneself, faith in destiny, faith in progress, faith in tradition, faith in reason, faith in others, and faith in fate. Each of these stands as a distinct pillar of belief, each molded by its own set of values, influences, and underlying assumptions. The faith in humanity, for instance, holds that people are inherently good, yet often it is tempered by disillusionment. The faith in science, on the other hand, is rooted in empirical evidence and methodical progress, its foundation firm in the pursuit of truth but, at times, seemingly indifferent to the deeper nuances of human experience. Faith in love can lift and bind, yet it is as fragile as it is passionate, subject to the vagaries of emotion and circumstance. Faith in oneself, while empowering, risks turning inward too much, possibly neglecting the greater interconnectedness of all things. Faith in destiny implies a certain resignation, a belief that forces beyond control guide us, which contrasts sharply with the optimism of faith in progress, where human action and effort are believed to lead to continuous betterment. The faith that once a person completes their bachelor's degree, a university will grant them a degree certificate falls under the category of faith in systems or institutions

[@Frank-rx8ch]

God is the greatest designer of all time.

[@GSpotter63]

Which would be worse for you... I insult you with the truth now or wait till God doesn't later?

[@TomChud]

But I could say the same thing to you. Which would be worse for you . . . I insult you with the truth now AND no one does it later? Now is the only time you know you have. Your choice!

[@Malhaloc]

​@TomChud Which begs the question: Is it true that there is nothing beyond this? Or is it true that there is?

[@mirandahotspring4019]

All Cliffe can do is argue with young college students, when he debates adults he gets owned. His recent debate with his son Stuart against Alex O'Connor and Phil Halper was a disaster, he looked like an angry ranting old fool and Stuart just a smug fool. Like here, all he does is make assertions and false dichotomies. He often resorts to disparaging remarks saying you'd have to be on drugs to believe that, or insane, when people disagree with his nonsense.

[@trevonw67]

That's what IM saying lol he goes up against these ill-prepared sometimes ill-mannered and unorganized students so of course he can out debate em 😂 but put him against some actual heavy weights like Alex or let em hop on the Atheist Experience see what happens

[@eliperez983]

@@trevonw67 he has😂 even before he started uploading on YT. He goes to the unis to spread the word and answers the hard yet common questions about God. He provides the best logical and rational way for believing in Christ. Yall people are just misreading why he’s even doing this😂. Even has a Christian today I watch these videos not to be satisfied when Cliffe “owns” someone. It’s an exchange of ideas and views and the videos even answers questions that I didn’t even know I wanted an answer too. You specifically @mirandahotsprings4019 you need a life. I’ve seen you on 3 separate videos of Cliffe spewing your bs. I challenge you to live your life of atheism consistently. If you’re a mother you don’t actually love your kids you just want them alive so you can assure they spread your genes. Just a small reminder of the miserable life you’re deciding to live and I’d guarantee you my future paychecks that at mutilple points you dip into theistic views and even live within them without you even knowing it 😂

[@EvieBear236]

At the end of your life you will find out you have been wrong about God. Then it will be too late.

[@trevonw67]

@EvieBear236 fear mongering is not a good way to try and convince ppl of your beloved God's existence lol

[@joverstreet24]

@@mirandahotspring4019 These are registered voters and the future of this country. Stop making them out to be children that can’t think for themselves.

[@maranatha8524]

The arrogance of youth. They really have all the answers don’t they? “A fool says in his heart there is no God”. You’ve just seen an excellent example of that. 🤷🙏

[@paulhadlington8179]

Actually its the religious guys who claim they have all the answers. They know where we came from They know where we go when we die They know how life was formed They know how a man was raised from the dead All this with absolutely ZERO demonstrable evidence.Conversely an Atheist is prepared to accept that he doesn't have all the answers.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

The arrogance of Cliffe to presume to know what an atheist believes and then mock them for it. That's his typical straw man argument. "An atheist believes everything came from nothing!" Wrong! An atheist is simply someone who does not have a belief in a god or gods.

[@deannavarro777]

​@@paulhadlington8179​ No religious person I know nor would any reasonable person ever say they have all the answers. Christians at least look for the most plausible explanation for the origin of life, morality, purpose, and our destiny, is there life after death? We look for the evidence that is rational, logical and most reasonable, you just presume you have it figured out that religious people make a claim that is completely unfounded and unsubstantiated. And then say that atheists who make truth claims, don't have to support their claim because they don't have all the answers. Making the claim that GOD does not exist, is a truth claim. And doesn't relieve you of any responsibility to provide evidence for your view, or...your non-view. Your strawman fallacy is not a argument or any athiest who makes a claim but says they don't need to give a reason of their viewpoint because they don't claim to have all the answers is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

[@OscaReyLich]

@@mirandahotspring4019 He's not mocking them he's is answering questions, giving questions and engaging in conversation, now YOU answer me if "An atheist believes everything came from nothing" then what do YOU beleive everything comes from.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@OscaReyLich Energy could be eternal and the universe is simply the current expression of that energy. That's consistent with the first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed. But it's not a matter of "believing". Saying "I don't know" is a valid answer and in no way implies a god did it. When Cliffe says nonsense like, "You'd have to b crazy to believe that" He's mocking them. The point is these are young people at university, just starting out on their tertiary education and not fully capable of engaging in a sophisticated discussion on morality and ethics. Cliffe takes advantage of that and straw mans them with his false dichotomies and unsupported assertions. Watch him in a debate with adults who know what they're talking about and he just comes across as a sad angry old man. Watch his debate with Alex O'Connor and Phil Halper. It's on KZbin.

[@paulhadlington8179]

Why do you need a god to be a good father, or good husband, or visit the sick etc?? If you need a god for these things it appears you are lacking something. As an Atheist I can do all these things without some outside influence.

[@bryair6163]

You were taught that my friend. As a baby you're a loud, angry, person when things are just barely off for you. That's you're human nature and you sin all the time, you might just not realize how easy it is to sin as it's very encompassing.

[@bryair6163]

Being taught is outside influence. How stuck up you seem to say that you're a good person without outside influence

[@paulhadlington8179]

@@bryair6163 Anyone who needs a god to be a decent human being had best stick to their religion.

[@trevonw67]

​@@bryair6163 ahhh so wait are we taught to be good by other people or is it already ingrained in us by God?

[@gingercake0907]

Cliff Knechtle has a call on his life by God to preach the gospel. Like Apostle Paul who met Jesus the road to Damascus. And He has prepared himself through study to rightly divide the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15.

[@420Yako]

I was given a new translation KJV with my name engraved in it. However I never read or studied any book, while calling myself sin then the Savior Yako Romero in my independent wrestling career from the ages of 18-24. Then I met Christ, trust Him.

[@MG-ot2yr]

More of Cliffe's bad analogies, your professor writing "wrong" on your answer isn't disparaging unless he also wrote something to describe why you got it wrong, for example "wrong, that's really gullible" or "wrong, are you stupid?" And wow Cliffe ended that exchange really angry that the young man had good points, then he insults him again by saying he's being "intellectually hypocritical".

[@The77Voice]

Yeah, well, you know, thats just like, uh, your opinion man. (Old reference)

[@bluismycat]

No. He ended the exchange with honesty.

[@invisible123-l9d]

This preacher is so patronising. He insults people, but refuses to acknowledge his insults, or apologise. He assumes that people are stupid. He has no respect, especially for women,

[@kingti85]

Please tell me you're joking

[@OscaReyLich]

What are you even talking about? Did you and I watched the same video? If questioning someone is disrespecting for you then i don't know man.

[@diogoaw]

You have no arguments man, we know. Look at you, invisible...

[@velkyn1]

They aren't disparaging, they are simply lies and that's all that poor ol' Cliffe has. His cult is full of hate and ignorance, and he gets upset when people expose his lites. No evidence this god gave humans rational minds, or did anything at all.

[@The77Voice]

@@velkyn1 where are you getting hate from? You disagree with him and think his view is lies, thats fine. But where in the world is he being hateful?

[@andyschatner3746]

If God did not give us rational minds and it's all just chemical reactions in the brain, how do you even trust what you're saying?

[@Deflection]

​@The77Voice if you disagree with what someone said, that can be considered hateful 🤦‍♂️

[@JeysenMenerbe]

Jesus rose from the dead? naku tsismis na naman to,

[@CainIscariot-y4i]

Way to go Cliffe.. Once again thanks for the disrespectful language towards Atheist. Some Christian value you are showing by speaking at the place. Once again you can not show any proof of the existence of your GOD you talk about that has been writing by humans in the so-called scriptures that was written nearly 2000 years ago.

[@Malhaloc]

In what way was he disrespectful?

[@andyschatner3746]

You can't prove anything but there is evidence for it. So your evidence is that something came from nothing?

[@CainIscariot-y4i]

@@andyschatner3746 Show me proof that The God of the Christian Holy Bible can exist without using the that horrible book.

[@CainIscariot-y4i]

@@Malhaloc Wait What.......? How about watch the video.

[@Malhaloc]

@@CainIscariot-y4i We saw the same video, my guy. How about tell me what part you found disrespectful?

[@richardcardoza2579]

Gullible? What! Christians believe snakes talk, big fish end up with men in their mouth, 2 of every animal were on one boat.....stop it😂

[@The77Voice]

@@richardcardoza2579 I think you have difficult to believe options no matter what you choose to believe. Many just view a creator as more likely. Is believing 2 of every animal got onto a boat any more outlandish than believing that all of the infinite possibilities needed for a life sustaining world happened by chance? Or that something came from nothing? I dont agree with Cliffe's use of gullible here but you have an equally dismissive attitude towards Christian belief.