Atheist Debates - Two headed animals? What's that about?

Polycephaly and coinjoined twinning in animal and humans are essentially the same, but often viewed and described differently.
In a world with such clear demonstrations of the mechanical, uncaring process of evolution - does it make sense to view this as merely evidence of a 'sinful, fallen world'?

[@LeoVital]

Asking "why is X a thing?" to an apologist is a fool's errand IMO. Apologists have a depthless well from which they can pick up unfalsifiable explanations for any "why problem". A very common one being "Because God wanted those specific people to go through the trials and tribulations of being conjoined twins so that He could be glorified" (?). Like Jesus's explanation for why the blind man was born blind in John 9:1-38. It's pointless to ask why questions to apologists because they are not in the business of looking for the most sensible explanation for things. They're in the business of contorting all things to conform to their religious views.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

Very well said, very well.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

That's why I won't discuss these things with family. I know precisely how they think, as I was right along with them at one point. I can accurately predict nearly everything they say. My knowing and being able to demonstrate their error to them is of no consequence. They have a mindset that tells them that they have correct answers to all the questions that really matter. They have become incapable of considering alternate viewpoints in honest fashion and instead pull prefab slogans straight out of the air that only service their comfort. Spiritual masturbation ?

[@NewNecro]

This so much. Explanations being consistent or, well, scientific can take a backseat when the lower common denominator of "as God intended" and "work of the devil" are equally valid points in their view (even if contradictory from one opinion to another). Unless the assumptions themselves are tackled anything can be seen in itself as evidence of creation, the devil and Christ. And those assumptions are particularly powerful to rid of because the framework of logic itself (internal* consistency and all) is already put beneath the belief in supernatural through the physically impossible like miracles. So in the total impracticality of its explanatory power, it covers the totality of known, unknown, unknowable and even outright impossibities. Fool-proof as long as a foundation in consistent logic can be rejected in favour of supernatural explanations or belief. *Typo'd

[@mdug7224]

John 9. 1-38 was narrated so that Hindus could join in regarding reincarnation.

[@miner6ty9er]

Yea pretty much. Give me the presupposition of an all powerful god and I can make anything fit.

[@BenYork-UBY]

Split personalities or Dissasociative Identity Disorder are also extremely problematic for the concept of a soul. Implies that multiple souls can inhabit one body, and that souls can replicate with mitosis with enough head trauma, or eat eachother alive with enough therapy. Makes much more sense when conscious experience is understood as a product of brain activity, not soul activity.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

The only exception is soul music. Definitely a good thing. 😉 lol

[@darkwind1812]

The concept of soul is not taught in the Bible.

[@darkwind1812]

Humans don't have a soul they are souls, animals are souls too. Soul is a synonym of body. The body/soul dies it's not immortal either as we all see.

[@stylis666]

Yes, because then you can just acknowledge that it's just one person that separates thoughts differently, and not multiple persons (or demons) inhabiting one body and brain. It's yet one more example that all religions encourage people to behave in dysfunctional and damaging ways. Misunderstanding mental conditions (as a result of trauma) when we have readily available knowledge about them isn't just a difference of opinion or belief, but harmful and unnecessary. And religions don't encourage people to understand things correctly, but they do discourage it because faith is encouraged and a lack of faith is painted as problematic and evidence that undermines it is taught and seen as harmful as an inevitable consequence. Therefor, faith is always harmful in all cases. The only differences are in how well people understand the harms vs benefits and how much cost (mainly to others) they are willing to accept to maintain any (perceived) benefits. Because any and all "benefits" of religion/faith/belief can be drawn in healthy and productive ways without harm to others or oneself and with many beneficial side effects instead, I I think we should reject accept any cost and we should acknowledge that all religions are intrinsically abusive and toxic in every way, to all people and societies.

[@Codswallop58]

The Christian might equate multiple personalities with demonic possession. Ignorance feeds itself

[@littlebitofhope1489]

I don't understand the "fallen world" thing. If someone was created with no knowledge of good and evil or right and wrong, how do you say they are bad for doing something they were created NOT to know was wrong? Do we give stray dogs tickets because they don't use a crosswalk? NO, we as the responsible ones are charged with keeping them safe. So wasn't it GODS responsibility to keep Adam and Eve safe from the snake? He is all knowing so he KNEW what was happening and he allowed it. That's like someone seeing a dog or small child heading for the freeway and doing nothing but watch. It's sick.

[@LeoVital]

The typical explanation that Christians give is that God was testing Adam and Eve's obedience and they failed. As for God knowing it, he knew but he wants people to have free will so that people can freely choose him instead of being forced to do it. It's all very silly and absurd. Free will is just a cop-out explanation that apologists use to justify anything that paints God in a bad light. Everything bad that happens to humans isn't God's fault, it's actually the fault of humans themselves since we have free will and we choose those bad things.

[@seasonedbeefs]

Which God? Are you ok? Take your leash off and take care as you obviously need religion to be responsible. Are you that stupid to need a deity to be a good person? Are you stupid? Do you need guidance?

[@aubreyleonae4108]

Couldn't agree more. 😎

[@robertmiller9735]

That's authoritarianism for you: morality doesn't apply to the legitimate Authority and the wrongness of disobedience is prima facia, i.e. "ignorance is no excuse". Though I suppose most Christians who really examine this stuff are probably on their way out.

[@twelvestitches984]

The point of the story of Adam and Eve was that they were told not to do something and they did it anyway. If you don't like that then don't ever tell your kids to not do something, yeah, try that and see how it works. Do we give stray dogs tickets for not using a crosswalk? No, they get run over. Wasn't it the responsibility of God to keep Adam and Eve safe? Does the President walk every child to school every day? No, because he has more important things to do. Just because you primitives think you're important doesn't mean you really are.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

Reminds me of intersex issues, and neurodivergent issues. Discussions tend to revolve around how to fit them into narrow worldviews, and how reinforce a simplistic understanding of humanity. Rarely, if ever, is the discussion focused on the interests and well being of the individuals in question.

[@cybermandan1960]

"You can lead a Christian to water, but you can't make him think"

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

you can give sight to the blind, but you can't force them to see.

[@twelvestitches984]

How did gravity allow the big bang to happen?

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

@@twelvestitches984 that has nothing to do with the subject. and gravity didnt allow the big bang to happen, because gravity wasnt a thing "before" the big bang. without universe there are no physics. at least probably not outside a universe in this state

[@twelvestitches984]

@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Oh, I forgot you primitives can't make connections beyond one step away. I'll type sllllooowwerrrr thiiiiiissss timmmmme. The point, that you missed, was that athiests complain that the universe that God created doesn't make sense when the reality is that the science your so called "scientists" invented is the one that doesn't make sense. Gravity wasn't a thing before the big bang? When did gravity turn on? If you claim it turned on AFTER the big bang, well, that's not physics because gravity can't turn on or turn off. I will give you an idea, it's wrong, but so are all of the ideas you will come up with, what if the particles created in the big bang were massless? No mass, no gravity, sounds like a fix, right? The problem is how did massless particles gain mass. Yeah, that's a problem, an impossible one. Oh and, thanks for playing a game that you are not smart enough to play.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@twelvestitches984are you a bot?

[@straubdavid9]

I've read a bit about conjoined twins, especially the two @02:00. When you look at their life, all the things you are talking about came to my mind as well. It's not even a question of autonomy, when you don't have a choice. How can you even function if you aren't both on the same page about major decisions? Sure, there are some things that you can do a work around, but to try and wrap your brain around what is all in play here .... is beyond my life experience. Thanks for the vid, and broaching this subject. .... take care✌🏻

[@patchso]

Absolutely. It’s actually quite difficult to even think about what it would be like. Very good way of training yourself to empathise with others.

[@patchso]

Fascinating discussion. It had never occurred to me before this video how we call animals “two headed” and humans “twins”.

[@RickReasonnz]

Although, to be fair, if I have a litter of 5 puppies, I tend not to term them as quintuplets.

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

According to atheist religion, Was it evil of mao to do away with 70 million people?

[@zacharylehocki]

Imagine what it`s like baptizing a conjoined twin? even with the strongest faith you`d have to ask yourself what kind of a God does this? Great topic Matt very interesting.

[@Dustin_Bins]

I wonder how that would work if one of the conjoined twins was an athiest of some kind and the other was a christian. That would be interesting.

[@zacharylehocki]

@@Dustin_Bins Good question! it be very very interesting indeed.

[@Leith_Crowther]

The priest knows one of the twins is an atheist, but he doesn’t know which. One is a Christian who seeks baptism; the other is an antitheist trying to stop the twin from being baptized.

[@zacharylehocki]

@@Leith_Crowther lol someone should write a story about it and the funny thing is its not even impossible to be true.

[@Angel-Kitten]

The strongest believers do not question god, they believe that everything is for the best. That god's intentions are beyond limited human understanding.

[@graemem111]

It also happens in mammals. In Scotland here, there is a local inn that has a two headed lamb in the foyer. Plenty of anecdotal farmers’ evidence here too of lambing two headed births. Not common, but possible.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

I saw a picture of a two headed, um,...well.....um........

[@languageofhorses5324]

Very interesting indeed. 👍

[@ErinWilke]

I would love an off-topic video about your reptile hobby and collection, it would be very interesting

[@rikkidelavega]

Here's the problem with explaining/blaming evil on "human original sin" causing a "fallen world": It puts human fallibility on an equal level with divine infallibility.

[@scienceisreal779]

You should make more thought exercise videos like this

[@theblackswan2373]

Thought provoking. Thank you.

[@bendybruce]

Imagine if one of the conjoined twins was a fitness freak and the other one was a committed couch potato. How would you adequately resolve a dispute like this?

[@Blyndem]

Damn fly! Thanks for the video, Matt.

[@frankemerson8584]

I guess it's god's way to restore cosmic balance : having created beings such as Trump that have one body and no brain it has to even it out by creating beings that have one body and two brains !

[@drewmarteny1495]

I am now reminded of the taxidermy "weasel hydra" with like 13 heads

[@littlebitofhope1489]

I'm struggling with enjoying the schadenfreude of your comment, and the concern that we should not stoop to his level. So far the schadenfreude is winning.

[@rhondah1587]

LOL Funny. Defendant 45 is truly an aberration of a human being. What bit of brain he may have is completely warped and twisted so much that he cannot perceive the idea that he is not infallible. He actually believes that he is.

[@thetinfoilfreak]

Beautiful beard day!

[@feedingravens]

Genetic mutations that are disadvantageous is imho the byproduct of an evolutionary process that currently would not need much of change to the body shape at all, but was over billions of years "programmed" to always stay prepare to keep the POTENTIAL for a fast adaptative process in case drastic changes in the environment require it To allow for that, you would get a general level of very small variations with some outliers, and then a few outliers that are the chance of survival of the species. And as this variation is practically uncontrolled, some of those variations go "wrong". While these conjoined twins I would suspect are usually errors in the development of the fetus, not a real genetic defect. When there is an omnipotent God, there is ZERO reason he could not avoid such problems. According to Creationists, the universe is 6,000 years old, he created the universe with the light of distant galaxies ON THE WAY. He placed continuous streams of trillions of photons to come in on the earth, streams of photons from exploding stars that are so distant that they appear to have exploded are long gone before the universe created 6,000 years ago. He made up a perfect fake universe star lightshow, consistent with universal (lol) physical laws, Like he obviously created all life in an instant, populations of all species, for socially interaction you need groups with a range of ages to make it survive, with the older ones with the experiences an individual learns since birth to pass those on to the young ones, to teach them. They NEED implanted memory - implanted by God.

[@PeterMasalski93]

Wasn't Conan the barbarian looking for 2 headed snakes?

[@drooten]

A cow recently was born with two heads. I only know as it was on the news.

[@christophermonteith2774]

Informative and interesting

[@quasijoe8126]

Do 2 headed reptiles share hearts, lungs, etc?

[@dimblytumblefoot3827]

2 headed turtle is my new favorite animal.

[@philliphessel6788]

The evident reality of evolution is certainly strong evidence against _some conceptions_ of what the term ‘God’ denotes. It’s not, I think, relevant to the Orthodox Christian or Hindu (to the extent that we can speak of orthodoxy in the latter context) doctrine of God transcending our conceptual categories. It might dismay the majority of professed Christians who are ignorant of the ancient doctrine, but that theism is basically indistinguishable from Buddhist atheism. People insisting on aggressively pushing against atheism are I think not only in futility, but counterproductively, attacking a pragmatic assumption as basically sensible as a-fairy-ism or a-magic-ism. That goes the other way as well, to the lesser extent that some atheists become busybodies haranguing people over a hopeful working assumption that helps them get through tribulations and be kind to others. If there is an afterlife, one shall find out soon enough; if not, there won’t be anyone saying, “I told you so!” We have better enterprises - undertakings actually bringing increase of happiness here and now - than getting stuck in arguments that are endless because in fact nobody knows one way or the other.

[@Solowing0331]

It's easy, I always call 2 headed snakes Republicans. *airhorns*

[@JosephDemery-qz7lo]

there is a hindu god with a 4-head (not to be confused with a forehead)

[@mr.zafner8295]

WOW

[@mikearg3529]

420th like..... I'll smoke to that!

[@Sweeti924]

God is cruel but good thing he doesn’t exist

[@lancethrustworthy]

I too love reptiles...with a little BBQ sauce. :)

[@josephhowell4250]

A Queen ant ran up your shirt and across your shoulder at 1.35.

[@seasonedbeefs]

Hey Matt. Long time no see. You still twisted on Trump?

[@ronaldpisciotta363]

god made them lmao🤣

[@bobobo2224]

That beard. Pick a style. The long square in the front and the short rectangles on the sides is NOT working for you. Blend them or cut them but the square is distracting.

[@Dovus-V]

That a maid gave birth to a child, Lord over all the heavenly host. Was thas not a great miracle? There he let himself be baptized so that humanity might be purified. There he let himself be sold so that we slaves might be free. Otherwise we would be lost, I call on you spear shield and thorn. Woe to you pagans, this is our wrath. Having defeated the devil there, fighting like no emperor has ever done, then he came back to his land and so began the Jewish sorrow. That he, their Lord, broke free from their custody, and that he was later seen alive; he whose hands they beat and pierced. We are after a just claim, and just is that He grant it.

[@darkwind1812]

Matt, soul is only a synonym of body. Jehovah's Witnesses have the true explanations. In your case you are presenting arguments for specific religions not for the Bible teachings.

[@crashoppe]

Atheists magic is harder to believe in. at least Theists magic has a magician.

[@landsgevaer]

The atheist sees a trick and tries to figure out how it is done; a theist believes there is magic involved. Ask your local magician which is more reasonable.

[@BigRalphSmith]

What is "atheists magic?"

[@crashoppe]

@@landsgevaer the BBT suggests that an explosion of nothingness created life, air water, all the elements, gravity, etc, etc, etc.... all from nothing. from what i was taught in science class this is physically impossible, thus, magic. a conscience entity saying , "abracadabra", somehow seems more logical to me.

[@mjjoe76]

⁠@@crashoppe Nobody who knows anything about cosmology claims that it was an explosion of nothingness. Stop with the straw man and maybe go back to school.

[@crashoppe]

@@mjjoe76 well thats what your great scientists like Larry Krauss would lead you to believe,,, "the universe from nothing". we cant even know it "started" with a big bang. dont get mad at me just because i may have shaken your faith.

[@jret65541]

Siamese twins , wtf, amirite

[@ready1fire1aim1]

*"It is impossible for a contradictory thing to be true.* A non-contradictory thing could be true or could be false depending on context but at least has the *possibility* of being true." -me, I said that ❌️Contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good; Functions; limit built into every operation)❌️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character. 2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton calculus). 3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton physics). ✅️Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good from Evil; Relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are polar opposite characters. 2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus). 3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics). [🐶Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]: Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍 [🐴Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]: The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers. Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago! 🦧 [Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]: locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary") not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent") [Closing arguments]: The Materialism/Empiricism package brings with it all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level? If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).

[@CyreniTheMage]

...I'm not even sure I understand what you're arguing for.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics. Since it has the possibility of being true at all.

[@jamiegallier2106]

Maybe apply to The Line’s debate forum, Matt may debate you.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

@@jamiegallier2106 That'd be hilarious. I have a weird position what if Matt ended up on my side haha

[@ryonalionthunder]

@@ready1fire1aim1still incoherent. But at least you added a closing statement to explain what you are trying to say. Everything preceeding it is impossible to connect.

[@SumNutOnU2b]

Even rarer, and more confusing, is when you get conjoined twins with one head and two bodies. (About 1 in three million births). These never live long, although theoretically there are configurations that might. Another interesting fact: 70% of conjoined twins are female. I'm sure there's some biological reason for this but I have no idea what it is.

[@spankflaps1365]

It would be quite handy, more ears to put cigarettes behind.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

To be fair, there ARE more cracks you could use.

[@KarmCraft]

Matt I love how you're turning into James Randy with that beard

[@pneumike1]

All great wizards have beards.😅

[@aubreyleonae4108]

Yeah, but keep a good haircut please, Matt. Clean shaven everyday. Lol 🤣😉

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

whish thinking is part of the religious rituals of pdf file atheist religion. Like... when mad pedolahunty wanted to become woman, all he did was, he prayed to prophet richard dorkins and then, _instantly_ he became biologically born woman

[@victoriafuller4148]

Humans are not very accepting of things they don’t consider ‘normal’…. We have to keep educating ourselves. There is no such thing as normal….just common. Hopefully our tribal groups will expand their thinking. (Including me.)

[@sadsismint]

I always find the volume of your vids quite low in comparison to other vids.

[@OrcaneVault]

This is a discussion I have a lot when defending abortion access by appealing to bodily autonomy or bodily integrity. Where the prolife advocate points to conjoined twins as a means of demonstrating these rights are limited as well countering arguments about the rights of dependent beings being limited to what the independent being permits. But as your video suggested this makes assumptions about individuality being tied to the mind as well as assumptions that one twin is depending on the other’s organs. I generally when I consider how rights work for these individuals, I think about how society necessarily interacts with them. And that is, with the exception perhaps conversation, an individual. For example you can’t say one twin has bodily autonomy you would have to say the collective have a bodily autonomy. But some of the strangest scenarios is how do we conduct law with these people? Can only one twin break a law? It’s a fascinating thing to consider and if these conditions were more common, I wonder what our societies would look like.

[@maxxam3590]

_"I don't have two heads"_ - Abby Hensel She said that, and she should know. Her statement makes sense because her entire sense of self is the continuum of consciousness that self-identifies as "I am", and the origin of that continuum is the brain.

[@strider_hiryu850]

what did Brittney say?

[@maxxam3590]

@@strider_hiryu850 She said "oops I did it again, I played with our heart".

[@strider_hiryu850]

@@maxxam3590 nice one!

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

Happy Valentine’s Day

[@HisZotness]

Matt, you should get Forrest to discuss this topic!

[@Yumlick]

I'll preface this by saying I'm an agnostic atheist, but when it comes to, "How could a god allow this?", you really answered your own question near the start when you said that you'd love to breed a conjoined-twin snake - I would argue that intelligence allows for arbitrary preference. Maybe the gods remember Chang and Eng Bunker fondly and enjoyed watching their season on the God Network.

[@PourLeCorps]

What I’m curious about is how would their souls work? Are their souls conjoined as well? What happens if one of the persons believes in god and the other is an atheist? Would one of them go to heaven and the other hell? Both heaven or both hell? If the god exists, based on Christian logic, god made them that way on purpose, so how would they reconcile two different persons sharing one body?

[@TrappyJenkins]

I call humans conjoined twins because that is currently the most accept respectful term. Snakes do not understand my language, so if i refer to them as two-headed vs conjoined makes no difference.

[@corneliusmakin-bird7540]

Imagine if it was two conjoined brothers, one body and two heads, and one of the brothers was gay.... How do you figure out this one now?

[@mdug7224]

Interesting consideration. What would happen if one twin, of a shared body, was an atheist and the other was a Christian in a church that believes the person is reborn in physical entirety at rapture?

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

snakes and turtles are one of the most common clades born with 2 heads. and usually if they dont die within the first year, they are lijely to live a full life. how wild is that!

[@nietzschescodes]

12:38 Matt is a shapeshifting lizard. I knew it!

[@peddler931]

I was hoping you had a pushmi-pullyu.

[@peddler931]

@MR_MATT_DILLAHUNTY Thanks Matt. I have been engaged with your content for a while and was one of your audience volunteers during the Magic and Scepticism tour.

[@ARoll925]

Great video Matt, very interesting

[@tewodroz]

I like the format, the beard, and everything in between :) Matt is peaking

[@hazmatt4637]

Excellent conclusion!

[@MotsamaiMofokeng]

The audio should be 3x louder at least. It's too low. Nice content, we are learning all the time.

[@fullup91]

I checked this audio level against a few loud songs on Spotify and they're within the same realm.

[@FoePoundGlokk]

What if one conjoined twin is a believer and the other an athiest. Would they both go to hevean/hell or would god split them apart before sending them off??? And if he splits them why would he have them together in the first place?

[@MaxHarden]

I have identical twin girls and they are mirrored identicals. Their handedness is opposite, hair parts are opposite sides, and personality… yep opposite. Their dna is identical tho!

[@kimsland999]

I never grew up with the 'we pissed off God syndrome'. Well I never grew up with any God belief in the home. When I first heard about 2 headed people etc., I immediately thought to myself, oh that's like 2 headed animals/snakes I had seen somewhere. That's what happens in non religious families. We don't immediately think its supernatural demons Lol The closest I ever got to magical beings was fire breathing dragons (a lot of cartoons and fiction books had these in). I'm sure it would be difficult for you to converse without bringing up claimed Gods, but you should really speak with secular children who have never heard the fall of man. Honestly the 1st time I ever heard of Jesus sins was at about age 19. I did watch Ben Hur with the stone tablets as a child, but our entire family knew it wasn't true. Children from theistic families were clearly mentally abused. We can sympathize and support such kids/adults. But bringing it up as if it was normal: _I know, it was the sin of man_ Well I didn't know that!

[@roberthunter6927]

This is a bit tangential, but I will get there. Some fish find "gender-bending" really "easy". The question is how? A fish can hatch male, and grow, and become female as it ages. The definition of a serial hermaphrodite. But look at those sexual organs and the manner of brood care. Unlike a mammal or any other creature that has internal fertilization and live birth, what is the difference in sexual equipment of males [sperm carriers] and females [egg carriers]? practically nothing. They lay eggs, so no specialist equipment like a womb or placenta. And a male has a male gonad [testis] with a duct that empties into the environment. The female had a gonad [ovary], with a duct that leads outside. The behavior is not particularly dimorphic either. So long as both eject their gametes at approximately the same place and time, they are good to go. next generation launched. Now I am not claiming exactly the same behaviors for either, but that is all that is required to launch the next generation [in essence]. Now look at a more complex organism, such as a human, with internal fertilization and the egg protected and nurtured internally. The whole system is less plastic. Mistakes, or shall we say variations, are more "canalized" because there are generally high survival and reproductive penalties for variations. Enter cojoined humans or twins, stage left. But variations, even fatal ones, are how evolution can work. But also, when sexual or gender variation occurs in humans, it is viewed as somehow a sin, or at least a problem. Worse, it gives the illusion of binary sex and gender, just because of the frequency distributions of those traits. Biology is 'fuzzy' with few or any hard boundaries. Professional biologists cannot agree if a virus is living or non-living. Speciation via hybridization after 60 million years is rare, but it happens. Physicists, especially in earlier days, called biology 'butterfly collecting". There is a little truth to that, but it is misleading, and it neglects the idea that biology is the most complex of all the sciences, because it is dealing with really complex systems. Sure, you will get an occasional anomaly, like calling light a "waveicle", but in biology, this is routine. Ironically too, biology got its Grand Unifying Theory [the body of evolutionary theory] and physics has yet to come up with its own GUT! And biology is becoming far more mathematical, so hypotheses are becoming far more nuanced. Fast gene sequencers have allowed us to ask questions about the evolution of whole genomes, not just a few key genes. Being bigoted about sex or gender orientation is about as absurd as being bigoted about skin or eye color. Being bigoted about different human shapes is in the same league.

[@thereptileroomeh8646]

We two butter motley corn snake with polycephaly named Medusa! Still got a photo of them in our reptile shop

[@dmythica]

Mate that beard suits you!

[@AdamKlownzinger]

I’m fascinated by this video but I’m confused about what this ultimately means. He mentions at the end that there appears to be a contradiction of some kind between claiming that flaws in reproduction are caused by humanity’s fallen nature and misunderstanding that a body with two heads is more accurately described as a pair of conjoined twins rather than a “two-headed _____.” I’m trying to see how this is the case but I’m missing the point I think. I can’t think of what the connection is. Would love an explanation.

[@Raiden-the-Goat32]

The whole two headed snake thing is kinda cool! Now a three headed dog would be even cooler!!! Three headed Dog where have i read about that one? Run it's Cerberus!!! The Cerberus part is just me joking. But the twin snakes are really cool!

[@philliphessel6788]

Perhaps ‘quanta’ are a concept with a significant correspondence to reality at the (ironically named) sub-atomic level. However, the domain of nature that I readily perceive is rather a matter not of sharply defined boxes, or simple binaries, but of spectra and relationships among relationships. That’s how I see sentience and personhood. There are aspects in which division into discrete individuals is a helpful paradigm, but there are also aspects in which it makes sense to view us as members of one another: a continuum of _process,_ rather than a bundle of _objects._

[@Zardward_Thebard]

About half a forever ago I was actually planning to call in to AE to ask about your thoughts on bodily autonomy in cases of conjoined twins. Unfortunately, I instead overslept and then forgot about it until just now. So thanks for the video.

[@symmetrie_bruch]

8:25 that´s a bit of a myth that they are two distinct personalities, or rather misleadingly inaccurate. if you´re interested, the art of deduction did a great job summarizing the field and current state of research on the topic. look for: Split Brain Research: A Cautionary Tale of Sloppy Science

[@simonohara9617]

For Christmas, we should get Matt to dress as Jesus and take a picture with someone saying, "Your problem is you just don't believe in yourself."

[@symmetrie_bruch]

absolutely, they are conjoined twin animals, why would it be any different with non human animals? 2 distinct brains = 2 distinct personalities.

[@lissam8988]

Conjoined Twins Margaret And Mary Gibb. I think it was them I'm thinking of one of them was just really sad all the time because she didn't want to do what her conjoined twin sister wanted to do however she had no choice

[@adamrushford]

1:30 a flying ant crawls over your left shoulder from your chest

[@laurajarrell6187]

And so Jesus died for nothing? Not that I viewed any of it , but it is all part of the not making sense. 👍💙💙💙🥰✌

[@LivingSoul1]

"Anything with no head is dead, and anything with two heads is a freak," ---- Adrian Rogers

[@AndrewWilsonStooshie]

Do Abby and Brittany Hensel have one driving licence or two?

[@RichBensen]

So, do you and Aron Ra spend hours nerding out about reptiles whenever you run into each other?

[@stansolo4138]

Two headed Matt ................ no no no no no no no stop

[@adc109]

What happens when one conjoined twin dies? I can't imagine the horror.

[@xarchist]

I guess this is where "they/them" pronouns come from.

[@seraphonica]

I thought you were going somewhere else with this, toward intelligent design. so when you went toward Christians using original sin as an excuse, it rammed the arguments together for me. if humans were intelligently designed... they would be designed without the capacity to BREAK THE WORLD, for the same reason we don't give intelligently designed commercial airplanes nuclear payloads.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Christianity is God’s Nuzlocke run. His Pokémon fainted, and it’s still a perfectly good Pokémon once it gets revived, but God’s gonna blame the game and punish the Pokémon by throwing it out forever.

[@alentrav]

I am a one-eyed, one-horned, giant purple people eater

[@robertmiller9735]

Sure look strange to me!

[@MovieMakingMan]

Is it wearing a teensy, weansy polka dot bikini?

[@robertmiller9735]

@@MovieMakingMan Not in this song, no. Or at least, I hope not.😲

[@JOSHLOCO100]

This is something I've always thought about. Matt broke it down extremely well. Fascinating

[@cerealpeer]

so... organisms fail. organisms change. organisms grow spontaneously.

[@Dathalind]

The "fallen world" perspective is bs. This certainly is an interesting topic by itself, separate from religious perspectives.

[@hydra6076]

Only two? Rookie numbers

[@Wildcard120]

Hello Matt. I have been trying to get an answer about this for weeks now. Am I being shadow banned on the line. Apparently nobody is seeing my chat.

[@SansDeity]

I have to do with any of that and don't even think that's possible.

[@Wildcard120]

@@SansDeity Nobody has been seeing my chats or at the very least acknowledged them. I don’t want to say something provocative in order to see it they are being seen.

[@jamiegallier2106]

Fascinating. I thought I might put this on and listen while doing tasks…ended up glued to the screen, haha.

[@5driedgrams]

Bizarre.

[@rhondah1587]

There are humans with 2 heads as well. Seems it happens across a wide range of species. It all depends on when the zygote starts twinning, at what stage it happens. The later it occurs, the more likely it won't be completed. My sister had twins that are mirror twins. One is left-handed, the other right-handed but they are also considered identical because there was only one placenta. The twinning process is fascinating.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

You are considered identical based on the egg, not the placenta. It is likely they used having one placenta to mean there was only one egg. Two eggs = two placentas. One egg= one placenta.

[@robinhood20253]

So did you watch the video?

[@hazmatt4637]

Do they both go to jail if one of them committed a crime? That's what I want to know.

[@BassByTheBay]

The devil's in the details on that one. The degree of autonomy would obviously be a factor. In the case where each twin controls half the body, it seems very hard to imagine how the other twin could commit the crime without her twin being complicit. But, yeah, details.

[@hazmatt4637]

@@BassByTheBay mail fraud, forgery, theft, slipping something in the pocket at the store. To name a couple. But it could happen.

[@BassByTheBay]

@@hazmatt4637 Exactly, that's why I say the devil's in the details. Some crimes couldn't be committed without the other twin's knowledge, so the other twin would be an accessory if she didn't rat out her twin. As for the possibility of committing a crime without the other twin's knowledge, I'm betting the occurrences of that are at or near zero. But, yes, it's an interesting question.

[@HisZotness]

Which snake head talked Eve into eating the fruit?

[@hazmatt4637]

@BassByTheBay first, demonstrate that the devil exists, and then we can go into those details.

[@Anita-ej3rp]

Gee, didn't need to see those pictures, so, thanks for the nightmares.

[@Anita-ej3rp]

@MR_MATT_DILLAHUNTY Why?

[@alanhyland5697]

My step dad found a two-headed snake once, and he took a picture of it.

[@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dad]

You can't claim to love a specific non-human animal whilst exploiting them.

[@michelangelope830]

I need to talk. I have to talk to saves lives with knowledge. God is necessary. Humanity have to know God exists. It doesn't matter what or who is this God. It is infinitely important that atheism ends because it is not the truth. Logically it is impossible the existence of the creation or finitude without the creator or infinitude, therefore the universe was created from an eternal entity uncaused. Regardless of when the universe was created God existed always before. God decided to create the universe because it wanted something that didn't have. It's fact. It's reality. It's truth. It's what happened. I am tired and I want the end of atheism and religion today, not tomorrow. God is simply everything that exist past, present and future. It is just an idea that can not do harm to anyone. Thank you.

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

Unsupported superstitious nonsense.

[@kaliban4758]

Two headed animals are FAILED twinings

[@littlebitofhope1489]

Chimeras are technically two people with one head.

[@Rogstin]

I wouldn't say a chimera _(human with more than one set of DNA)_ is two people with one head. I would contend that a split brain is/becomes two people with one head.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

@@Rogstin Genetically they are two people. They can even be male and female. But they have one head. I think you missed the word "technically" too.

[@Rogstin]

@@littlebitofhope1489 They aren't "technically" two people. They are one person, with more than one sets of DNA. A person is not a set of DNA. I don't become two people in a single body when I get an organ transplant. I would grant under a lowest common denominator of what a human is, there is more than one human, but not a person.

[@lonewolfmtnz]

seven headed winged demons, what's that about