Atheist Experience 23.34 with Matt Dillahunty & Don Baker

[@TheAtheistExperience]

25:45 Michael: FL: Evidence for a Soul, I Almost Died as a Kid, The Subconscious is the Soul 41:00 Rafael: FL: How Do We Make Moral Comparisons?, God is Love, Love is Morality 1:03:03 Kelly: Iran: Causal Argument for God, Islam’s Opinion on LGBT Issues, No True Muslim

[@thegreeneyedbubu]

@41:00 He was saying that God is love and that love is an authority on behavior and that's where morality comes from. Love defined as caring for the wellbeing of another being. Matt claimed to disagree, but his main disagreement is that the God of the Bible is immoral because his actions weren't loving, which is still appealing to love as an authority on behavior, which makes Rafael's point. 48:29

[@MrShigura]

Über Man Your homework is to read your comment over and over until you recognize your obvious mistake. Get to it.

[@johnguru9538]

U dont even have an argument...devil...

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@thegreeneyedbubu"He was saying that Charles Manson is love and that love is an authority on behavior and that's where morality comes from. Love defined as caring for the wellbeing of another being. Matt claimed to disagree, but his main disagreement is that Charles Manson is immoral because his actions weren't loving, which is still appealing to love as an authority on behavior, which makes Rafael's point."

[@dynis15]

Atheists are sorry people that lack a motive for life

[@lukeymuffler6265]

Theist makes argument. Matt destroys argument. Theist replies: "exactly" Result: My CPU shut down due to overheating.

[@YY4Me133]

😊

[@douglasharris5216]

Whether it be space-time itself, the multi-verse, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster you would like to know if something had to first exist for infinity due to the problems with infinite regression. If we assume the Big Bang Theory is correct, then there is no "before" the Big Bang in the usual sense of the word "before". If something caused the Big Bang, that something is outside of time and - for the lack of a better word - "infinite" or always having existed from at least our limited vantage point. Because this entity is outside of our timeline, it could be viewed as a "first cause" or "prime mover". This doesn't mean this entity itself wasn't created by something else in its own separate timeline; but for logic to prevail: If we keep going back, traversing possibly multiple timelines from possibly multiple universes, it all ultimately has to fall back on one cause, outside of all the other timelines, thus being infinite from their vantage points. This singularity must in fact exist given the logic above. As you noted, this doesn't mean it is a personal being like a God, or even anything more than an inanimate object for our purposes, but we have sufficient evidence that it's out there, or was at one point in "time".

[@zaodedong9935]

@@douglasharris5216 R'amen

[@ProudCommie]

DrJames Powers your a clown shoo shoo

[@hakureikura9052]

quack @DrJames Powers "The impossibility of infinite regress proves our infinite G0D" you are a 3rd class idiot, the impossibility of infinite regress proves that infinite regress is impossible, nothing more. "An infinite being lacks nothing." your god lacks morals. "Therefore, there can only be one infinite being." jumping to conclusions? what is your method to prove that there is only one? show us your method. "An ultimate being has no potential, because the potential is maxed out." that's like saying all the japanese died in the 2nd world war but they all lived. first you say it has no potential then you say it has a potential, nope, it has potential and its maxed out. you're a dumbass trying to sound intelligent. "To say this infinite being is the Christian G0D, we go into the historical evidence of Jesus and his Word." you are a 3rd class idiot trying to sound intelligent again. you are simply jumping to the conclusion, the very conclusion you already decided on. try it, try telling a fundamentalist extremist muslim that your infinite being exists and his infinite being doesn't exist and record it on video. i wanna see your "real" god protect you from real bullets... its gonna be a record of god's miracle! go on, don't be all talk.

[@DavidJones-hi3xp]

I visited Lourdes once with my disabled Aunt who was in a wheelchair. She was getting progressively more poorly, and wanted to visit the famous shrine so that she may benefit from the healing powers that emanate there. It was a wonderful trip until on the 2nd day I slipped and let go of the wheelchair. My aunt careered into the healing waters and was almost submerged, luckily the other pilgrims present managed to pull her and the wheelchair out in time. My aunt wasn’t cured, but the wheelchair came out with a set of new tyres and brakes.

[@stevekoppang6498]

Now that is some funny stuff.

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

Why did you guys ruin it? Give it 2 minutes and she wouldn't have needed her wheelchair anymore! Geez, you people ruin everything...

[@grizzadams2110]

Absolutely Hilarious

[@c.guydubois8270]

Lorde's is closed, Fatima is closed, no miracles during the sarrs cov-2 pandemic, news flash....Deity helpless! More at eleven...

[@youngsterfilms7368]

For god loved murder so much, he murdered himself for the weekend

[@pumpuppthevolume]

xD ....for yahweh loved child murder sacrifice so much he turn himself into his own son and murdered himself for a weekend... makes sense doesn't it xD

[@rpg896]

😆👍

[@thechaddwasgreat1565]

This is the funniest shit ever 😂😂

[@stylis666]

Happy are the ones who dash the little children's heads on the rocks, happy are the one who dash the little children heads on the rocks. -- God

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

Brilliant! Yet so true!

[@mikevieira8583]

Kelly, you are loved. How cool to be having these conversations between the US and Iran! And that's from someone who just got home from fighting in Afghanistan. It's a small, crazy world...

[@mariagdaws6083]

Hi all Can you get a Catholic nun pregnant? Yes, Dress her as an alter boy I’m now recovered after being indoctrinated as a child, the Atheist Experience helped me heaps Cheers from Melbourne Australia ☮️

[@steggyweggy]

Mariagdaws happy to hear you got through your indoctrination! I did the same earlier this April!

[@mariagdaws6083]

Survivor Soul Thanks 🦜

[@mariagdaws6083]

Wesley alan Thank you 🦜

[@fifthape2119]

Mariagdaws, I'm always looking for good jokes. Thank you for that one!

[@thomaswigfield7623]

The Pope and an atheist were debating the existence or otherwise of god. After hours of fruitless argument, the Pope says “The trouble with you is, you are like a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat, that isn’t there!” The atheist replies-“ Well your Holiness, that’s something we have in common.” “What do you mean?” Inquires the Pope. “Well, you too are like a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat, that isn’t there. The only difference is, you have found it!” A joke from the wonderful Irish comic, the late, and very great, Dave Allen.

[@casparuskruger4807]

Oh my Kelly, do you have any more corners you can talk yourself into and not admit you have ever been cornered? Your entire call was a performance of that exact exercise. Matt did close the call with a rather heart-felt explanation on the drawbacks of religious thought. I have seen Matt do this more and more recently. And he does it well. Bravo, Matt!

[@poopandfartjokes]

Corners are a social construct designed to keep walls separated

[@casparuskruger4807]

​@@poopandfartjokes Ya, I like smoking pot on Sunday evenings too.. :-)

[@patrickshelley09]

I actually think Kelly may have started on the path to atheism after this call.

[@casparuskruger4807]

@@patrickshelley09 -- She certainly did get her headed pointed in the right direction. Now all it would take is some courage and honesty on her part and she ius home free. That however does not always happen, does it?

[@trishayamada807]

Casparus Kruger Kelly can’t be gay and stay alive in Iran. You can stay alive if you agree to change your physical body to the opposite sex. That is not a good thing. It’s either cut your body apart and take hormones or be sentenced to death. That’s not loving, that’s not healthy. Gay people are just gay, they aren’t transgender.

[@MrShigura]

Why do so many different callers constantly say “exactly” in response to points made by the host in direct opposition to what the caller just said...

[@yourmoms5602]

Cause: A) They aren't actually listening, just waiting for their turn to talk. B) They are so stupid they have no idea what Matt is even saying. C) Both A and B.

[@inf3fection564]

@@yourmoms5602 I think it is C.

[@poopandfartjokes]

I notice that as well. It’s a way of skirting around the question and trying to get you to move on to another topic.

[@prettybabyface7313]

That infuriates Matt a lot of the times 😃 ...i think they just want to be in the good books of Matt so they don’t get hanged up on

[@badgerbush3556]

I call it *loop thinking* Evidence or logic is put forward that is in direct conflict with the individuals beliefs. Upon encountering this, the individuals mind resets and loops back to the belief as if no credible evidence or argument was put forward, so that the belief can continue to survive. It's fight or flight. And sense the individual knows they can't win the fight, flight is the only option left in order to continue believing.

[@KeplersDream]

My favourite 'miracle' was the one when the evangelist preacher in Ohio asked for a sign from "God" in the middle of a storm; and the church got hit by lightning and burned to the ground

[@janiceschiffman4659]

😁😁😁

[@downwinder3]

Well it didn't burn to the ground but there was a little fire damage. But the thing is the theists all say that is a sign. That event proved god to them.

[@orionred2489]

Is that the same one that had a giant Jesus catch fire and burn?

[@youngsterfilms7368]

It's a miracle! 😁

[@iMoshBetterThanGuys]

Haha classic

[@fifthape2119]

I so appreciate the _'HOLD'_ and _'HANGUP'_ buttons!

[@NateG007]

First call @ 25:40

[@BlahBlooBlee4205]

Thanks!

[@yagomi32]

Thanks, you'll live long & prosper

[@bradchervel5202]

Don "25 minutes in" Baker.

[@Domzdream]

Thank you!

[@klumaverik]

I love Don's topics.

[@davidwright834]

1:12:19 Kelly - "here's the thing" - lol, where have we heard that before

[@Feroal2]

hahahah

[@AD-dg3zz]

Kelly says that like 50 times throughout the call 😆

[@unit0033]

yup it was a painful call full of the usual theist assertions

[@AD-dg3zz]

@@unit0033 I actually think Kelly's call was very good. He was actually willing to listen and think about the things Matt said, and conceded to points he was clearly wrong about. That's more than we get from most callers.

[@unit0033]

@@AD-dg3zz true,

[@fampol5900]

Don: "I got pickpocketed while on vacation in Europe" Don: "Hahahahahahahaha" You gotta love that guy

[@crystalheart9]

That's his reaction to everything :D He's so funny!

[@crystalheart9]

@@keter1234 I is kind of odd the times he laughs.

[@stephenmorris9223]

I am so happy to see that Don is still on the show, Good on you Don.

[@wompbozer3939]

Stephen Morris What happened with the other hosts? Why did everyone leave?

[@davidwright834]

the Matt and Don show in top form today, I'm glad that Don has remained with the show

[@prettybabyface7313]

david wright you know by any chance why Tracie left?..i miss her very much

[@alexlarsen6413]

Yes, I'd love to know why Tracie left too. Did it have to do with that Stephen Woodford thing supposedly being anti-trans and being a guest on the show? If it's that, then good riddance she's gone, but I'm not sure what happened and I still miss her.

[@davidwright834]

I'm hoping that Tracie, Jen and John may return as a guest hosts in the future

[@KJ-9876]

That call from Kelly in Iran.... Please split that out to separate video !! Matt's remarks and that whole conversation are absolutely wonderful. The world needs more of that!

[@jamesromero3282]

I agree 100%

[@Raven.flight]

Came here from Spotify just to post on this topic. Anyone who says that Matt is a bully needs to hear the Love and compassion In this call

[@AbleAnderson]

Wow you guys are very moral. That what you want to hear?

[@Bella-vt7ol]

@@AbleAndersonwhat a moronic comment 🙄

[@pepperVenge]

This show is too goddamn short!

[@canu2u]

too damn much Don.

[@KeithCooper-Albuquerque]

@@canu2u I disagree sir: Don's input is important IMHO.

[@smgale7689]

Partly right - the show *is* God damned.

[@pepperVenge]

@@smgale7689 I take it you're a theist?

[@smgale7689]

@@pepperVenge Christian, yes.

[@chrisccc22]

Frig Don Baker is the best sidekick ever. I hate to demean you like that Don but my word you make me laugh while delivering a perfectly reasonable comment. Your laugh is the best.

[@francoisona]

Incredible that it took a call with Matt for her to ask herself for the first time what her prophet would think of her transition.. The sedating paralyzing effect of religion. Everyday I come to despise religion a little more...

[@TheN00bmonster]

Him

[@josephleonard8241]

Why can I not thumbs up more than once? Lol

[@curtis1905]

I love the informative content that Don brings.

[@lloydmeadors]

You finished your talk about miracle failures at exactly 10am JST (watching after stream) It's a miracle!

[@stylis666]

I shuffled a deck of cards. the odds of the cards being in the exact order they are now without being designed is astronomically small. It just has to be a miracle. I'll shuffle it again for my second miracle so I will be a saint when I die.

[@klumaverik]

Where is our "here's the thing." Compilation and t-shirts?

[@deputydog1995]

A picture of Matt holding a diet Coke and saying "Here's the thing". I'd buy it.

[@stevenshatswell53]

Here's the thing... I'm a liberal

[@mdduet]

A true miracle could be described as a theist call that made any real logical sense.

[@astralsentient8259]

Then I think miracles are real after all

[@astralsentient8259]

*Intelligent theists don't call Matt's show.* I wonder why...

[@Mr.BadExampleMT]

@Truthus Maximus You are significantly more derpy than the average theist caller to the AXP. You may want to reconsider your stone throwing policy, Mr. Glasshouse.

[@astralsentient8259]

@Truthus Maximus I don't think so. I've seen "intelligent theists" debate Matt and they often don't have a problem with atheism as a lack of belief. Atheism isn't truth-apt (doesn't make any claims that can be true or false at all). I think the reason why these more intelligent theists don't call in is because they tend to be more self-conscious of their appearance on the show and don't want to look irrational. Matt is a good debater.

[@anthonygrimaldi8768]

@Truthus Maximus you are fractally wrong. The default position is NON Belief. Athiesm is instantly falsafiable: simply show any actual evidence a god exsists. Until then there is no reason to take either side and that is as simple as logic can get. We will wait for your evidence but we all know already you will not produce a single verifiable piece of evidence just some arguement just like all the theist you despairage

[@Megatron9000]

Matt's writing a book! I'm so excited. 1:02:00

[@Dreamprism]

It's amazing that Coke Zero isn't an official sponsor yet.

[@bradchervel5202]

Coke Zero, Gods.

[@vooveks]

"Coke Zero - you _won't believe_ the taste!"

[@Feroal2]

lololol

[@rossdkelly]

@Paulo Mendes I think you'll find that aspartame poisoning does not exist, but diabetes does.

[@bradchervel5202]

@Paulo Mendes that's just propaganda by big sugar.

[@jeffphillips6645]

Sapiens, the book Don references, is incredible. I highly recommend reading it.

[@lawrencegallo4661]

mr Harari certainty: Good piece of work indeed

[@DaveT383]

Kelly is so brave to have called. Matt, you became empathetic. This good person is a bona fide human being, and so courageous to make their search. You left her with food for thought, and I believe she will continue her search (gender neutrality implied), and I wish her well.

[@mikevieira8583]

Don brings some great zingers to this show.

[@rb2321]

Love Don

[@Pranav-rp8wi]

I love how Don laughs at his own jokes..

[@petersinclair3997]

Secular Humanism provides greater scope than religion for compassion. Well said Matt in your close with Kelly.

[@petersinclair3997]

DrJames Powers James, All that you cite about evolution didn’t develop out of thin air, agree. Enormous amounts of time were involved. QM takes us more in the realm of reality and non-reality than finite and infinite time. I prefer scepticism to theism or atheism, as the former more clearly operates on the basis of conjectures that are temporarily held and refutable. Science is working on the initial state of this universe, but it requires energy millions of greater than the 14 trillion electron volts capacity of the CERN Large Hedron Collider. However, as predicted, certain fields can give Particles mass, as interim finding.

[@samsox69]

Congratufuckinglations! Made me think of Bill Ingvall “Here’s your sign” LOL 😂

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

The fire triangle is actually a great example that I haven't considered before.

[@Roadstar1602]

The call with Kelly was fantastic!

[@Domzdream]

When I was about 3-4 years old, I used to wake up everyday to my entire window (which was covered by a large curtain with flowery shapes), and this window was like a window to another dimension, where I saw many people celebrating at at banquet-like party, ( almost like that ending page of Asterix where they celebrated at the end of every adventure at that large circular table), and they all greeted me and waved to me, and danced around. I was absolutely convinced this happened every day for about a year. Then it started fading and started getting harder and harder to focus and enter this setting. Eventually it subsided and I sat there waiting and waiting every day hoping they would re-open that portal to me and say hi again. I now know that it was most likely a lucid dream state, rather than an actual event. Your mind plays tricks on you! Simple.

[@Domzdream]

@FACE GALLON Yea, I've gotten that before. It does suck!

[@chuckeelhart1746]

Great show guys! Always something new and interesting! Thanks!

[@hardheadjarhead]

Good to know the show is being watched in Iran.

[@casparuskruger4807]

AS aggravating and as frustrating it is talking to Michael about his "soul" stories, I would say 90% of the fricken population thinks and reasons like he does.

[@frogstamper]

Sadly you're probably correct.

[@MehYam2112]

Schools don’t teach critical thinking. I’m tempted to buy into the conspiracy theory that this is intentional.

[@r.scottmacleod4564]

That does not account for all the ones faking it to be included in the club...if the church had a lie detector for entry they could downsize to a skid shack!...rofl

[@Julian0101]

@@MehYam2112 My conspiracy theory is that the schools think they already are doing, because they were taught to teach that way.

[@violent_bebop9687]

Including you. Do you think, you don't have any faith based beliefs?

[@stuboyd1194]

@Matt Dillahunty, One day after existing for eternity * infinity * gajillion years, god was feeling a bit bored, so decided to conjure up a universe and make some primates worship him. Because despite being perfect, he has rather a lot of self-esteem issues. These could have been from being all alone for so long with no one to rub his rough edges off.

[@krypton1260]

First caller = Redefine soul as subconscious, prove that subconscious exists, soul confirmed.

[@grandixximo]

Don laugh was really contagious, they were really having a good time, and so did I watching this episode!

[@TyphoidBryan]

He doesn't get to drive the conversations with callers, so all he is allowed to do is make a quick comment (that is ignored) and laugh at his own jokes. Still unsure why there is a secondary host when Matt is on.

[@grandixximo]

@@TyphoidBryan That's not entirely true, there was a good portion at the start for Don's failure, and the jokes Don did were on point and really funny, but I understand what you are saying, I still think each co-host adds to the show, and it makes for some good moments that would not be there if it were just Matt.

[@TyphoidBryan]

Don's "Failures of Christianity" segment is just that: a segment. During the call-in part of the show, it tends to be all about Matt. Don gets in a sentence here and there, but on the whole, he sits politely, waiting for a moment to jump in briefly to add to a conversation. Hardly a dual-host situation and more an awkward exercise in watching a panelist sit and stare. This appears to be a Matt-based problem as other team-ups on other episodes are more balanced.

[@frogstamper]

Thats a new one for me, "a mattress made me believe I have a soul", is it any wonder that the vast majority of callers who believe in religion and gods are, how can I put this gently? a little under-educated. Whenever you hear these dopey claims, the caller is nearly always the type of person you can see in your minds eye as being at home in an episode of the dukes of hazard...personally I always see the characters of Cleetus and Ennis as the callers...I'm aware this is a sweeping statement, but more often than not it fits the bill.

[@quittix3]

@@VernonChitlen abiogenesis isn't solved. You act like we're at the pinnacle of science.

[@stylis666]

​@@VernonChitlen I agree that it's foolish to think that us not being able to copy everything in nature is evidence that it's designed. Your argument shows your lack of understanding of pretty much everything from logic to science to knowledge, Cleetus ;)

[@chrisnessuno3055]

@@VernonChitlen Time is a dimension of the universe and chance is statistical probabilities, they don't create anything. They are not laws of physics or biochemistry, which are the mechanisms and processes through which particles, celestial bodies and biological organisms come into existence. The way you phrase your disbelief (even contempt) of science is indicative of how abysmally minimal your comprehension of it is, even at the most basic level.

[@chrisnessuno3055]

@@VernonChitlen The fact that you think that time and chance are claimed to have creative powers by anyone shows poor comprehension skills, that's all I said.

[@chrisnessuno3055]

@@VernonChitlen but saying that time and chance are the creative powers behind this is wrong. Natural mechanisms and processes within time and with chance as a factor, yes. It's never been indicated or verified that said chemicals need either a purpose or intellignet guidance to function and react as they do.

[@NeilThe604Atheist]

Thanks to your recommendation Matt, Dave Warnock will be coming on my show!! 😁

[@rogerkreil3314]

It was a good show! 😀

[@ZielAmerak]

I have just 1 question Why don't you record the aftershow? stop the stream, but keep the cam, and upload other day, it will be nice to have something new in the middle of the week.

[@Banjomute]

27:24 +1/2 is where Michael says he was almost dead.

[@Anon1696]

Bah-BOOM

[@greyeyed123]

Regarding Kelly's call, I recall reading an article a few years ago about a Muslim woman who dressed as a man simply to work and support her children in her country. If I remember correctly, after the children grew up, they disowned her. I don't remember which country, etc. Anyone remember reading about that?

[@JadeStarr]

How insipid to hear another trans person so blind to the reality of how their religion hates them. I feel so bad for her. I love what you said at the end Matt. You rock my friend

[@KonradZielinski]

Well she is trying to survive in Iran. Coming out as anything other than a Muslim is not advisable where she lives.

[@ChristopherJManess]

27:42 The soul or spirit in Hebrew is Nephesh, which means wind, breath or breeze in English. Just like the spirit was above the waters in Genesis, it was literally the wind over the water. When we sneeze and Theists say "Bless you!" (which means to consecrate or mark with blood, btw), they believe that your soul leaves your body, and evil or demons can enter your body and possess you.

[@LilithNobody]

Damn! This was good one!

[@hitchslap2131]

13:20 "virginity is a social construct that is absolute b*******". I'm super interested, but I'm having a hard time understanding this. Can you help me out?

[@TerribilisScriptor]

i think this is ment to be about the idea that viginity has any special value.

[@hitchslap2131]

@@TerribilisScriptor I would definitely agree with that. I would also say that even as a description of having had sex or not it is pretty arbitrary

[@r.scottmacleod4564]

This show should actually be called "let's all listen to delusional basket cases"!

[@AC-gb7do]

Make PSAs with them. “This is your brain on religion”..cut to a Christian that just lost their shit after Matt curbstomped them. “Any questions?”

[@StraightEdgeHeathen]

Yeah, that's always how it seems to be, doesn't it?

[@seanjones2456]

Just remember, these people are our neighbors and they vote.

[@remywilliams4139]

@ Sean Jones So do we. What’s your point?

[@theplanespotterguy]

J B it gets old very fast

[@ReiperX]

On Michael's call. I have a vivid memory of a guy my mom was dating chasing me around a living room with scissors trying to hurt me. But after talking to my mom about it, she's almost positive it never happened, especially since she's pretty sure she wasn't dating anyone when I was that age. So yeah, false memories are a thing.

[@GeneralZod99]

You probably read "Struwwelpeter" as a kid.

[@AC-gb7do]

I’ve learned I’ve had a few as well. Or have I...?

[@amalielk]

For years, I was quite confident that when little, I once saw my big sister riding our labrador up the stairs, wearing a cowboy hat. It was such a vivid memory, I never questioned it. Then, in my early twenties, the family was gathered for summer and we were all sharing old memories from when we were kids. Something is mentioned that made me think of my sister and the dog, so of course I share that memory, laughing all the while. From their looks of sheer incredulity, I realised it never happened. Of course my sister didn't ride the dog up the stairs while wearing cowboy gear. What had probably just been a dream when I was little, had over the years become a memory without me noticing. I've since learned not to blindly trust my own memory.

[@rpg896]

What about Miracle Gro... debunk that!!! 😆

[@Domzdream]

Great episode! Matt was brilliant in this one.

[@patrickshelley09]

Sometimes when I'm feeling down, I find a clip of Don laughing and I fell a little better.

[@cathyblock6197]

Don’s failures are great and I never miss an episode when he co-hosts. I just love his laugh too. He reminds me of my father-in-law & his “dad jokes”. Don makes atheism fun.

[@danieldelanoche2015]

Calls start at 25:35

[@vicevercetti1986]

Matt is a murderer.... of people over the phone. Damn son.

[@fatamsimth]

It was fascinating to hear Kelly's voice change as rational questions began to stir up cognitive dissonance. There's no doubt that if she continues to challenge her views, rather than reinforcing them, she will eventually let go of them completely.

[@matthewlong3716]

Did I spell "batshittery" correctly? Lol

[@castoramanwab2723]

Awesome shows, nice calls!

[@petersinclair3997]

The subconscious is comprised of neutrons, which can transfer confabulated faux memories into consciousness to fill gaps missing from real events.

[@petersinclair3997]

Salkafar Yes, spooky.

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

Great episode! But yet again, Kelly represents the people who for some reason are so unwilling to just say "I don't know". Why is this so difficult? If ypu can't admit a limit to your knowledge, how do you intend to learn anything?

[@alexmipego]

I don't know how gravity works, but it seems to me that a clingy soul would explain it, therefore it is so.

[@GuardianofClevelandHeights]

Michael in Florida was absolutely hilarious. Matt attempting to deal with his scatterbrain argument in a serious manner made it even funnier.

[@phillipmoore9012]

Very rare events are only the ends of a statistical bell-shaped curve. Without the very rare normal wouldn't be the mean. Most of the folks I know would call the very rare "miracles".

[@ManicPandaz]

A similar thing is when someone notices an expected thing hasn’t happened in while when it should of happened. Then when that expected thing happened they think they predicted the event. When the only reason they noticed anything is because they were expecting that thing to happen. “It hasn’t rained in a while” later day it rains “I totally predicted the rain” 🤦‍♂️

[@monikaklimczak9828]

Kelly was awesome! Best theist caller I've heard in the however many hours of this show I've seen and listened to. Honest, open minded. Just an awesome person all around.

[@brockalbert5111]

Every time a door closes, God opens a window. Unfortunately you're on the 40th floor with no fire escape.

[@dimaniak]

What is evolutionary purpose of subjective experience if p-zombies are just as good at survival as conscious humans?

[@RickReasonnz]

It's calls like Kelly's that makes me wish you'd bring on the Apostate Prophet as a guest host...

[@kimsland999]

Just on the first caller on a couple of ways the 2 1/2 yo could move a bed! 1. Friction can be built up over time. That is if you leave something in one place for an extended period of time (plus put weight on it every night!) then it can become 'stuck' in that place. Once it is forcibly removed from the stuck spot, the built up friction no longer exists. It may (and often does if you ever move fridges etc) have the ability to now slide without too much force at all. Obviously once you place it back to where it was once embedded, the flooring (carpet vinyl etc) at that point may have been affected so much that the bed literally (seemingly) wants to go back into the same spot again. 2. In the old days LOL. Nearly everything had caster wheels on them. Generally all single beds also had caster wheels. These days we have removed many of these caster wheels from beds and TV stands and large cabinets and even fridges (some only have wheels at the back). IF this bed had (normally always fitted) caster wheels on the bed stands, then quite obviously little force would be required to roll it around on the floor. BUT, if a parents had found that a bed (with caster wheels) was used to squash their son and even cause their son to be unconscious from the lack of oxygen (or fright). THEN any loving parent may remove those caster wheels, and therefore avoiding the bed to ever move around again. From 2 1/2 years old to who knows when (could have been 15 years!) this person would have realized their bed is NOT on caster wheels, and therefore when trying to push it would have thought that's TOO hard for a 2 1/2 yo to do. UNBEKNOWNST that the parent never informed the child/teenager that ACTUALLY we took the caster wheels off, and never told you because YOUR story was so nice (in their view). You could say they deceived him. Between lack of friction, and what the parents may have done to stop the bed ever moving again, plus because it was 50 years ago! There could be NUMEROUS possibilities, with the absolute last crazy story of intelligent aliens helped. But NEVER will there be an idea: OH that was supernatural! Since we presently have ZERO evidence of any supernatural thing. If supernatural things were happening to say all Christians or 'spiritualists' constantly, and we could prove, yep it was definitely a possibility. Then that would be ok. BUT presently we have ZERO spiritual supernatural stuff happening EVER. Although we do have a lot of stories :) EDIT// Since the old guy (emphasis on old doesn't automatically make someone wise. ie 'Old wise man' is not actually true; men don't suddenly become wise at some 'old' date, actually their brain biologically deteriorates). Said: Oh I have OTHER stories too, and its 'ALL THESE STORIES TOGETHER' that prove why he believes in spiritual stuff. Clearly shows he CANNOT reason effectively. Because its not the accumulation of bad stories that then equal evidence. Even 1 single story, all on its own, that shows a tiny weany itsy bitsy tidbit feather of EVIDENCE, would be evidence! And since his story did NOT have any evidence, they any accumulation of other stories would be just as insignificant. Plus he obviously began with with best PROOF first, and that FAILED 100%

[@kieronbrowne7881]

The reason so many people call in with evidence is because they have no idea what evidence actually is. Most people in the world think that evidence is something that is written down.

[@sharkamov]

@Kieron - Have *_you_* got a point or what! . . .😆

[@ZielAmerak]

most people think that what they believe is evidence for what they believe.

[@sharkamov]

@@ZielAmerak - And in the case of *_religious belief_* - ''most people'' simply haven't done enough 'thinking'! . . . . . I rest my case..

[@kieronbrowne7881]

Eric Kamov yes. People in general have no idea what evidence is. Do you have a point?

[@sharkamov]

@@kieronbrowne7881 _my_ point being: _That which can be _*_asserted without evidence - can be dismissed without evidence!_* . . . . .

[@Mahdy89]

Don’s spontaneous comments and laugh always make my day

[@inertiaforce7846]

I am going to make an extraordinary prediction. When the sun goes down today, it will become dark at night.

[@inertiaforce7846]

@FACE GALLON Yes.

[@AC-gb7do]

I predict there will be dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria!

[@inertiaforce7846]

@Joshua Opell I disagree. These are accurate predictions that prove Jesus. If you care about your life after your death, you will repent and ask to be saved.

[@inertiaforce7846]

@ my testimony is my evidence.

[@marty4760]

@@inertiaforce7846 testimonials are not evidence.

[@Directorslashwriter]

Don should compile a book about his 'Failures of Christianity. '

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

I wish more callers would try to refute them. I guess that would be a waste of time lol

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

@DrJames Powers i just refuted your claim in another thread. But since you are just copy/pasting the same thing, you are clearly not interested or capable of having a conversation. If you were, you would easily figure out how fallacious that is. Smh.

[@KWMQ]

God was so lonely he made humans. Angels be like WTF?

[@ikoloo5942]

@ A few minutes later.. Lucifer:dad i dont think that this is a good idea.. God:shut up son!!you know nothing.. Lucifer:but father.. God:SILENCE BOY!go to hell! Lucifer:whaaat? God:by the way you will be Known as satan now.

[@patrickshelley09]

Starting at 1:25:00 is one of the best segments Matt has ever done on the show.

[@jckensway2956]

Just had two Jehovah’s Witnesses at my door, 15 minutes into this lol

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

Honestly I miss them. My neighborhood doesn't allow solicitors. But back at my old one I wasn't very interested in speaking to them at the time. Now I'd be perfectly fine sitting them down for a drink and discussion.

[@jckensway2956]

@@IllustriousCrocoduck the look of astonishment when I explained the authorship of the Gospels was unknown was a sight to behold.

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

@@jckensway2956 wait, you know something the JWs weren't told about?! *gasp* their meetings don't prepare them for *informed conversations*!

[@JeromeBellon]

I liked the "dice in a box" metaphor. However, I'd give it a slight change: someone hands you a locked box saying that he rolled a dice inside, then Don and Matt start arguing about whether the dice rolled a 2 or a 5... but nobody knows if there is really a dice in there.

[@KinKnives]

I try to wear a seamless robe to church but they never let me in.

[@NetTubeUser]

31:57 -- Talking to an old peasant is like talking to a bick wall, Matt. 1:38:08 -- This is EXACTLY what I think all the time!

[@BandoLyrix]

WOW there are alot of confused people walking among as (WALKING DEAD)

[@stylis666]

Tell me about it. Ever went grocery shopping on a Friday afternoon? Oh, you meant theists. Yeah, them too :p

[@mykhailohohol8708]

I had a nice laugh about that exactly person lol bullets breaking the window is my favourite example.

[@wardkerr2456]

OK, OK, enough smack talk about chocolate ice cream.

[@IONAPINKMOXIE]

The only exception I can think of when someone thinks the accumulation of experience (although the individual experiences are lame) is if someone can prove the experiences they had happened on the same day at the same time of day and the circumstances were specifically similar. For example, the dude remembers when he was 2 or 3 (which VERY few of us remember that early on in our lives) his brother smothered him between a mattress and a wall and it was 3:47pm on a Saturday and it was the 11th of May. AND when he was 11, his brother smothered him between a mattress and a wall and it was 3:47pm on a Saturday and it was the 11th of May. And when he was 19 his brother smothered him between a mattress and a wall and it was 3:47pm on a Saturday and it was the 11th of May. THEN i might say, if you can prove all this, that's pretty weird. It still doesn't prove you have a soul.

[@MightGuy15]

DAMNIT I MISSED IT. y KZbin? You never notified -_-

[@rachelzadikian6613]

Where is Tracie??? Did she leave the show?

[@scarab36319ify]

1:27:46 *CRACK* Future atheist coming up.

[@Feroal2]

Yeah i enjoyed the latter part of that call

[@ismaelcerda5565]

Thanks for the Guadalupe update Don.👍

[@epeck1115]

I like when Don takes subtle digs at Matt's more extreme flights of pomposity.

[@Yeiyn343]

I love Don's laugh.

[@tomhaupt5238]

@@Yeiyn343 I could listen to a one hour loop of it...I love how he has no qualms laughing openly at stupid callers

[@barkYdarkATFB]

I thought 1:00:00 was a “back handed” joke. 😉

[@puppyash9656]

-Captain, we have a situation! There is rambling going rampant! -Oh shitstorm! Send Logic in. He'll know what to do. -Logic went AWOL, sir. -What the..!? Again!? Well, call up Major Sanity. Good old Zany, haven't let me down yet. -Sir, Major Sanity retired two years ago. Shrimpfishing down in Pensacola. -For fuc...!! What about Sound and Reason? Can we have them flown in? I know they were up north. -Missing in action, sir. -Hell and pissants! What happened? -They went undercover FLERF. -Got in too deep and fell off the curve? -Yes, sir. -Do we have any other options to stop the rambling before it's too late? -Well..... -Out with it, man!! -There is Dillahunty. But the President said... -I don''t give a cursed fig about the President. This stops here and now. Get me Dillahunty, and may the universe look kindly on us all.

[@camcholette9392]

I love Don alone for his laugh.

[@sshender3773]

Are you kidding me? It's cringy as f

[@samsox69]

Cam Cholette I also love It!!! He reminds me of my best friend.’s husband Steven. whom I adore like a brother.

[@GeneralZod99]

There is a compilation out there of funny moments from the show. The clips are pretty old. Anyway, one of the clips wasn't cut very well. It begins with Matt delivering the punchline to a joke that you don't get to hear and Don cracks up. I just started laughing right along with him, having no clue what he just found so funny.

[@noamaster3898]

Don's really grown on me. Plus, his laugh and jovial mood is fantastic.

[@StraightEdgeHeathen]

Kelly you need to stop saying "exactly" when Matt is countering your argument, you weirdo. That's not how a conversation works.

[@dlvlne666]

loved this one so much.

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

I feel Matt has really fine tuned how he approaches the same old circular/general crap from these theists. If you watch AE early days right through to now, you can really see how he has improved his debating skills. Not that he was not great to start with.

[@MrDanAng1]

I think Kelly's argument is an argument AGAINST one single god, not for it. The result is ever changing, it never happen the same way, and it is extremely rarely due to one single cause. Two people can hear the same argument and one is convinced, the other is not. If one or two people shoot at a glass window, there is a multitude of causes, there is raw materials for glass and metal assembled, then refined, then formed to guns and bullets and glass windows, then the windows is mounted in a frame and bullets is loaded into the guns before shooting the glass window. If a single link in this chain of causality is missing, then there will be no shattering of a glass window.

[@DiegoJinkusMusic]

And Michael is the reason why I call Florida "Floritard". And another thing... Michael votes.

[@zaodedong9935]

Not everybody in Florida is like him, just like you might be an intelligent, free thinker, and I can make the same generalization about your state.

[@isoeteslacustris]

22:00 I guess catholic church will recognize this "miracle" as soon as these people die, and therefore it will be impossible to challange and disproof their claims.

[@lathrios]

Blasphemy!! Heretics the lot of you! There are is only the d20

[@thomasowens5824]

Michael had forgotten he said he almost died minutes after saying it, but wants us to believe he can remember things from when he was 2 or 3 yrs old...ye right !!