Atlantics - When The Dutch Did Them Wrong

[@FlyingScott]

Yes this one is also in that Roblox game Please just appreciate it for what it is without needing the game for a point of reference, the stats don't make any sense anyway lol. I also seem to have made a mistake at 2:05 when translating my source from Dutch to English - Turns out the Dutch phrase for "slide valve" translates to [tub valve] whilst the Dutch phrase for "piston valves" directly translates into [slide valve]! P.S. for the people solely here for the railway content - happy holidays, and see you next year!

[@Samstrainsofficially]

Using the "looks make a locomotive good" mindset these are very good, what a very nice looking locomotive.

[@sockshandle]

But when it comes to actually working? Not so much lol

[@TheDemocrab]

Honestly, using an old loco as a dynamic load to test "long" trains without touching any of your actual rolling stock or freight is ingenious.

[@flintswenson8234]

If you want a trilogy, take a look at Stanier's Moguls, Class 5s, and 8Fs. Should make a nice set of videos for the new year.

[@GMAuraeon]

Loving your content, Scott! May not sound like much from an American, but I most enjoy learning about Britain and Europe's railway history... It's endlessly entertaining.

[@MrJimheeren]

How is a guy from Scotland better at producing videos about Dutch trains then any Dutch channel

[@hywelroberts1653]

I was thinking maybe what the GNR C1’s (large boiler examples) led to on the LBSCR. The H2 Atlantics . And after seeing Replica Beachy Head back in August for the first time she was an absolute beauty for a Brighton Engine with a Great Northern Boiler

[@Lumberjackk]

I need a channel talking about the Dutch diesels and dmu’s in the same way that you talk about Dutch steamers!! I love your videos

[@obelic71]

One mainline Diesel-electric engine was called "Kreupele Marie" (cripple Mary). That designed by comitee loco was developed as an universal dieselloco for Europe. She was so bad she ended up as a power generator to power harbour cranes at a port.

[@Proper_Chuffed]

As always, a bloody fun watch loaded with good humour and great facts, keep them coming Scott!

[@neilsonthegreat]

A trilogy of 4 cyclinder 4-6-0's in the mid to late 1900's candidate could be the: LNWR Claughton GWR Star L&YR Class 8 GCR Robinson 9P and 9Q LSWR Drummond 6 ft drive 4-6-0's and the T14's

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Across the Irish Sea, the GS&WR Class 400 were an 'interesting' 4cyl design with a somewhat convoluted history ... especially No.404 (Google is your friend!).

[@neilsonthegreat]

Yeah I heard thoso two swapped numbers

[@midnightexpress3604]

One interesting video could be on the Pre-Grouping Express 4-6-0's there is a distinct pattern with them not outdoing the previous 4-4-0 design, but when their lessons were applied to the next set of 4-4-0's you got greater results, that could be an interesting video covering designs from the Caledonian, Great Central and the South Western, and if there were any over arcing issues that caused it.

[@TotoDG]

The Dr. Yellow Shinkansen: “This is brilliant.” The NS Atlantic resistorwagon: “But I like this!” In all seriousness, while it’s a crying shame these Atlantics weren’t as much of a success as many of their British and American counterparts in terms of actually being a locomotive, it must’ve been an amazing once-in-a-lifetime occurrence for many of the people who saw the test train with their own eyes!

[@caelumvaldovinos5318]

Atlantics are very much the engine type where they're more than just "a 4-4-0 with a larger firebox". And I think that's what did the Dutch Atlantics in. The Southern Pacific Atlantics enjoyed very long careers in mainline expresses long after the Pacifics showed up and only were kicked down to commuter service in the 1930's when the Northerns kicked the Mountains off of the toptier trains. Heck, there were 3 SP Atlantics that wound up running a streamlined Daylight Train for the first few years of WW2

[@sirrliv]

I always love your dips into Dutch railway history, a serious blind spot in English speaking circles. Looks to me like the biggest issue with the 995/2000 Class is that they were just the previous 4-4-0 designs crudely made bigger. Speaking to your conclusion, they didn't really innovate at all, hence their failure.

[@thomashambly3718]

0:58 maybe not the best choice of words there... lmao

[@wesless1111]

Let's not think about that right now

[@Tom-Lahaye]

These locomotives were just enlarged 4-4-0s which needed a trailing axle because of the weight of the fire box but didn't exploit the true advantage of any passenger loco with one or more trailing axles. That was that the fire box could be behind the last driving axle and made very wide like the H2 Atlantics had.

[@jackjackbt]

“I WANTED AN ATLANTIC! BUT THAT *___** **____** **_____* SENT ME THAT!”

[@sjaakvandervrande9414]

The Dutch class 5500,Kop en Kontjes. A very successful tankloco.

[@gamerfan8445]

Maybe do a video on multi cylinders locomotive, like duplexes, Garratts, and mallets

[@TheHoveHeretic]

The New Zealand Government Railways G Class could fill an episode on their own!

[@lias8846]

First time watching one of your videos that isn’t a animation and my immediate thought was “holy shit there Scottish”

[@nielsleenknegt5839]

Any 3 belgian locomotives. The class 12 Atlantics could make a nice brige between this trilogy and the next. Also that one locomotive (tankengine) that was a 0-6-0 but with an unpowerd axle between the second and third powerd axle.

[@EmilyChaosDrivr]

The logical development from 4-4-2 was the 4-6-0, so why not do a trilogy on those? With something old, something borrowed and something new. My ideas are: GWR Stars (maybe the entire trio in one) GCR 9p because they are hella under represented and need more love Quite literally any big Dutch 4-6-0 except the 4000.

[@TheHoveHeretic]

2'04" They were the first Dutch locos to be built with *slide valves* ? Just as the UK express passenger thinking was heading down the piston valve route!!

[@FlyingScott]

Slip up in the script it seems - I seem to have mistranslated the book I used as a source. Turns out the Dutch phrase for "slide valve" translates to [tub valve] whilst the Dutch phrase for "piston valves" directly translates into [slide valve]! Does go a long way to explain why the boiler on a 2000 is so high up.

[@westinbridges7321]

Look how they massacred my boy.

[@maartendelandmeter7705]

bear in mind that u can't make an equal comparison of the performance from UK loco's against the Dutch loco's on a totally flat country.

[@fam.arkema5946]

I still dont know WHAT was wrong with this type. The Dutch DID everything wrong, but you re only being negative without any arguments. Everything that was told about this type is widely known, so why make a video like this? Just rubbish.